[00:00:01] YEAH. THE AGENDA DISAPPEARED. IT'S 6:00. CALL TO ORDER THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE BEDFORD PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR TODAY, [CALL TO ORDER & ROLL CALL] THURSDAY, APRIL 23RD, 2026. PLANNING AND ZONING. HAVING TROUBLE WITH IT. I UNDERSTAND TECHNOLOGY, TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES HERE. WHAT ABOUT. THANK YOU. EVERYBODY ELSE? YEP. MEETINGS BEEN CALLED TO ORDER. LET'S DO THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE. DOROTHY CRAWFORD HERE. ROGER GALLENSTEIN PRESENT. KATE BARLOW PRESENT. TOM JACOBSEN PRESENT. BRUCE EMERY CHAIRMAN PRESENT. DUKE LOPER PRESENT. JR SMITH PRESENT. AARON LEE PRESENT. WELCOME, EVERYONE. WELCOME. COMMISSIONERS. PLEASE STAND FOR THE INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE ASK THAT YOU BLESS THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND ALL THOSE PRESENT AND WATCHING. WE ASK FOR YOUR GUIDANCE IN OUR DELIBERATIONS TODAY GIVEN TO US BY THE CITY FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL OF OUR, ALL OF BEDFORD. WE ASK A SPECIAL THANKS FOR THE, OF THE PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR BEDFORD AS WELL AS THOSE WHO VOLUNTEER, ESPECIALLY OUR FIRE POLICE AND FIRST RESPONDERS. WE ASK ALL THIS IN CHRIST'S NAME. AMEN. AMEN. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A RELATIVELY SHORT AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING. OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING OF MARCH 26TH. [APPROVAL OF MINUTES ] STAFF, HAVE YOU FOUND ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS TO OUR MINUTES? THANK YOU. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING IN MARCH. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTIONS FOR THE, MOTION TO APPROVE FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM MARCH 26TH. OUR ITEM FOR CONSIDERATION TODAY IS TO CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A SITE PLAN FOR LOT 5R-2, [2. Consider making a recommendation to City Council regarding a site plan for Lot 5R-2 Block 1 of the Wal-Mart Addition being 1.212 acres generally located north of Cheek-Sparger Road, east of Cheek-Sparger Road and Heritage Avenue intersection, commonly known as 3716 Cheek-Sparger Road. (SITE-26-2) ] BLOCK 1 OF THE WAL-MART ADDITION BEING 1.212 ACRES GENERALLY LOCATED NORTH OF CHEEK-SPARGER ROAD, EAST OF CHEEK-SPARGER ROAD AND HERITAGE AVENUE INTERSECTION, COMMONLY KNOWN AS 3716 CHEEK-SPARGER ROAD. THIS IS CASE SITE-26-2 STAFF REPORT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. THIS IS A SITE PLAN REVIEW BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE MASTER HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY. IT DOES REQUIRE SITE PLAN APPROVAL BY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND ULTIMATE APPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL. PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR. MOST OF YOU PROBABLY ARE A FEW. WHAT IT'S BEEN ALMOST A YEAR NOW. WE HAD A SITE PLAN COME IN FOR A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT, POPEYES FRIED CHICKEN DRIVE THRU NEXT DOOR TO THIS PROPERTY. THE SAME DEVELOPER IS NOW COMING THROUGH AND DEVELOPING THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY FOR THE SITE PLAN YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU. THE BUILDINGS A LITTLE OVER 7900FT² IN SIZE. THEY PROVIDED PARKING THAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS. THEY'VE GOT TWO ACCESS POINTS, ONE DIRECTLY FROM CHEEK-SPARGER, THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE A SIGNALED INTERSECTION AND THEN A ANOTHER ONE INTO THE FUTURE DRIVE THRU RESTAURANT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED. THE STARS ON THE SCREEN REPRESENT THE POINTS OF ACCESS, THE RED LINE THAT YOU SEE THERE. THE UNIQUE THING ABOUT THIS SITE IS THE GRADE TO THE PROPERTY. THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT DROP OFF FROM THE TOP OF THE PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH END TO THE NORTH END. AND SO ONE OF THE UNIQUE THINGS ABOUT THIS IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO UTILIZE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT RETAINING WALLS TO MAKE THIS WORK. AND THE OTHER UNIQUE THING THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT HANDICAP RAMP TO GET FROM THE CHEEK-SPARGER ON UP TO THE BUILDING. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THAT RED LINE REPRESENTS. IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT IS A PROBLEM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. [00:05:01] IT'S JUST GOING TO BE UNIQUE TO THE SITE. SO I WANTED TO POINT IT OUT FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD. LANDSCAPING, THEY PROVIDE LANDSCAPE PLAN. THEY'RE MEETING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS. THEY'RE ACTUALLY EXCEEDING THE ALL THE REQUIREMENTS ON LANDSCAPING. THEY ARE PROVIDING STREET TREES ALONG THE STREET AND A HEDGEROW ALONG THE FRONT ROW, PARKING ALONG THE STREET, AND THEN TWO TREES UP ON THE SECOND LEVEL OF THE SITE FOR PARKING LOT REQUIREMENTS. SITE PHOTOS. AGAIN, I THINK EVERYBODY'S FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THEIR SOME OF THE GRADE CHANGES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THE SURROUNDING USES AROUND THE PROPERTY. SITE PLAN MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE MASTER HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY AND RETAIL RESTAURANT USES ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT, SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN HAS PRESENTED. A QUESTION FOR REFERENCE IN REGARDS TO THE SOON TO TURN ON NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL. THERE. WHERE IS THIS ENTRANCE TO THAT? THAT ENTRANCE THERE, YOU SEE THE STORE RIGHT THERE ALONG CHEEK-SPERGER? THAT IS WHERE THE SIGNAL INTERSECTION WILL BE. SO YOU'LL. IF YOU KIND OF SEE, AND I DON'T THINK I HAVE A POINTER ON HERE AND I KEEP ASKING FOR ONE, LET ME USE A MOUSE. IF I CAN GET THE MOUSE TO WORK OVER HERE AND I THINK I CAN. SO YOU'LL SEE HERE THIS IS THE INTERSECTION THAT WILL BE SIGNALED. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE MAKE OUT THAT THEY'VE ADDED THE SIGNALIZATION INFORMATION THERE ALREADY. SO THIS IS ALL PLANNED TO BE SIGNALED. IT'S A COMBINATION OF DEVELOPER AND CITY PARTICIPATING IN IT. SO AND HB HAS ALREADY DONE THEIR PORTION. AND I KNOW IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SHOW IT ON THIS DRAWING, BUT I ASSUME THAT CHEEK-SPARGER IN THAT IN THAT MEETING, THERE'S A LEFT TURN LANE TO COME INTO THIS PROPERTY. I GUESS COMING FROM THE EAST. STAFF IS WORKING ON THAT. THERE'S A COUPLE OF ENCORE ISSUES IN THAT MEDIAN EXISTING. SO WE'RE TRYING TO MANEUVER ALL THOSE HURDLES. REALLY JUST NOT ON THIS PLANT, BUT IT'S. RIGHT. THAT'S A TRAFFIC CONCERN. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. THANK YOU. CAN WE TALK ABOUT, CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE SITE TO THE, THAT'S HEAVILY TREED. YES. AM I RIGHT AND THAT IS A SET ASIDE. AND IS IT SUPPOSED TO STAY THAT WAY FOREVER? IT WASN'T A PART OF THE WAL-MART DEAL OR. IT'S. HE MIGHT. HE PROBABLY KNOWS MORE THAN I DO. I BELIEVE IT'S PART OF THE WAL-MART LOT, BUT I WILL LET HIM SPEAK TO THAT. HE'LL HE PROBABLY KNOWS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN I DO. QUESTION IS, IS THERE'S A GREAT DROP AND I THINK THE TREES ARE RIGHT ON THE LINE. I THINK MAYBE SOME OF THEM. AND YOU SAID NONE WILL BE PROTECTED, JUST A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT IF THEY START AFFECTING THE ROOTS OF THE TREES, IF THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT TREES RIGHT NEXT TO THEM WITH THE RETAINING WALL. AND SINCE THEY'RE CHANGING GRADES. AND THAT'S A UNIQUE PUTS US IN A UNIQUE SITUATION BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THIS PROPERTY. SO I CAN'T HOLD THIS PROPERTY AND RESPONSIBLE FOR TREES THAT ARE NOT ON HIS PROPERTY. IF THAT LOT IS SUPPOSED TO BE PROTECTED, THAT'S WHAT I HEARD THAT A LONG TIME AGO. AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE PROTECTED IS KIND OF VAGUE. I'M GOING TO LET HIM SPEAK TO THAT. I THINK IT WAS, I'M GOING TO LET HIM SPEAK TO THAT BEFORE I JUST START MAKING ASSUMPTIONS UP HERE. BUT I CAN'T ENFORCE PROTECTION OR MITIGATION ON SOMETHING THAT'S ON THIS PROPERTY, ON THIS LOT. THAT'S KIND OF MY STRUGGLE WHERE I'M AT, BUT I'LL LET HIM SPEAK TO THE PURPOSE OF THAT LOT. AND THIS IS JUST FOR REFERENCE FROM THE POPEYES RESTAURANT WE CONSIDERED BEFORE. IS THAT THE STAR THAT YOU'VE GOT AT THE TOP, IS THAT THE ENTRANCE TO BOTH, WHAT WILL BE BOTH RESTAURANTS? YES. THE, SO THE STAR THAT IS OFF TO THE SIDE THERE A LITTLE BIT IS GOING INTO THE POPEYES LOCATION. POPEYES WILL HAVE THAT ENTRANCE AND ANOTHER ENTRANCE INTO THE WAL-MART DRIVE LOCATION. YEAH. THAT WOULD BE POPEYES AS WELL. THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S A MUTUAL ACCESS EASEMENT. THEY CAN ALL USE IT. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU SIR. DO WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL SPEAKER? IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION COMING? DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? YOU CAN ASK THE APPLICANT QUESTIONS. OKAY. YEAH. GOOD EVENING Y'ALL. MY NAME IS CAMERON EATON. I AM THE CIVIL ENGINEER ON THIS JOB WITH CLAYMORE ENGINEERING. WE'RE AT 3231 HARWOOD ROAD HERE IN BEDFORD. TO KIND OF HIT ON A FEW OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU WERE ASKING. SO THE ADJACENT LOT IS JUST SET ASIDE AS A DO NOT DEVELOP LOT. IT, AS YOU MENTIONED, IT IS HEAVILY WOODED. IT WOULD BE HONESTLY QUITE DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP ANYWAYS, AND SO NO INTENT TO TOUCH OR OTHERWISE AFFECT IT OUTSIDE OF THE AREA THAT WE'RE DOING WORK IN. [00:10:09] WE DID DO A TREE SURVEY AS REQUIRED AS PART OF THIS. I THINK ONE OF THE ONES THAT'S CLOSE IS ACTUALLY KIND OF THERE IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER. THERE'S ONE THAT'S ACTUALLY SLIGHTLY OFF THE PROPERTY SO ANY SIGNIFICANT TREES, SO ABOVE SIX INCHES AT BREAST HEIGHT DBH THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN PICKED UP. THERE IS A LOT OF BRUSH OUT THERE AND I'VE GONE OUT TO THE SITE MYSELF BECAUSE I KIND OF EVEN HAD A QUESTION FOR ANSWER WHEN I WAS LIKE, ARE WE SURE WE GOT IT? AND THEY'RE LIKE, YEAH, SURE ENOUGH, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF LITTLE KIND OF BRUSH TYPE STUFF THAT'S MORE ALONG THE EDGE AND A LITTLE MORE OF SOME OF THOSE BIGGER TREES ARE SEEMINGLY A LITTLE MORE JUST ON THE INSIDE OF THAT. SO WHICH IS FORTUNATE FOR US. AND BUT I THINK WHAT WE SHOW NOW, WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO, YOU KNOW, STAY AWAY FROM THAT, TRY TO PUT AS MUCH SPACE AS WE COULD. BUT OBVIOUSLY WITH THE GRADE DROP THAT'S OVER THERE THAT WES MENTIONED IT DOES GET TIGHTER OVER IN THAT CORNER, BUT YEAH, LIKE I SAID, I THINK FORTUNATELY WE WERE, EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE MORE INTO THAT PROTECTED LOT. AND SO WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE TODAY ON THAT ONE. WHERE YOU INVOLVED WITH THE POPEYES? IT'S BEEN A WHILE. YES, I WAS UP HERE AGAIN. SO I REMEMBER MONTEREY OAKS. I THINK THERE WERE SHIMADA OAKS. SO YOU'RE GOING TO KIND OF FOLLOW THEIR LEAD. IN OTHER WORDS, IT WILL HAVE SIMILAR TREES ALONG THE WAY. YEAH. I THINK IT'S. IN THERE AS YOUR SHRUBS. YES. OKAY. SO THE INTENT. VERY SIMILAR. CORRECT, YES. OKAY. I DIDN'T, MAYBE I MISSED IT, BUT I DIDN'T SEE IS THIS BEING BUILT ON A ON A SPEC OR YOU ACTUALLY HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S GOING IN HERE? LAST I HEARD, I THINK THERE WAS TALKS ON AT LEAST ONE PERSON IN THERE. I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME DISCUSSION ON EXACTLY HOW THEY'RE DIVIDING UP SOME OF THAT SPACE. SO I THINK ONE OF THEM WAS POTENTIALLY A RESTAURANT OF SORTS MAYBE, BUT THAT WAS, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING WAS SET IN STONE AND THAT MIGHT HAVE JUST BEEN A, YOU KNOW, THEY PUT THE FEELERS OUT THERE JUST TO KIND OF SEE WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING. AND THEN IF I SKIP OVER TO THE ACCESS QUESTION YEAH, WITH POPEYES. SO BOTH OF THOSE STARRED LOCATIONS WERE BEING BUILT AS PART OF THE POPEYES BECAUSE WE KNEW WE NEEDED THOSE FOR THAT SECONDARY ACCESS POINT, AND THEN LINING IT UP WITH THE NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT WE MENTIONED BEFORE. SO ALL OF THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN IN APPROVED AND IS IN THE WORKS. SO THIS IS JUST SORT OF THE NEXT PIECE OF THE PUZZLE, IF YOU WILL THAT'S FITTING INTO IT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOT A PROBLEM. APPRECIATE YOU DOING ALL THIS WORK IN BEDFORD. YEAH. NO PROBLEM. I GOT A SWEET SPOT FOR BEDFORD. I, MY FAVORITE PROJECT THAT I'VE EVER DONE IS HERE. SO YEAH, I REALLY ENJOY DOING WORK HERE, SO. AM I GOING TO TURN OUT TO BE VERY VISIBLE? YES. WELL, IT'LL BE UP ON THE HILL, SO IT'LL BE LOOKING DOWN ON EVERYBODY OVER THERE. SO, BUT YEAH, AND LIKE I SAID, WE WORK, OUR OFFICE IS TEN MINUTES DOWN THE ROAD FROM HERE. SO YOU KNOW, WE DRIVE BY AND FREQUENT THIS AREA AND SHOP AND GO TO RESTAURANTS, SO WE CERTAINLY WANT IT TO BE AS NICE AND USABLE AND UP TO SNUFF FOR EVERYBODY HERE, BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO THE ONES USING IT, SO. THAT AREA IS GETTING A LOT OF ATTENTION THESE DAYS. YEAH, H-E-B WILL DO THAT [LAUGH]. SO ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS. I DON'T THINK SO. THANK YOU SIR. NOT A PROBLEM. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE OF, AS SOON AS I FIND OUT WHERE IT IS AGAIN. SITE-26-2. YEAH. YEAH. CASE NUMBER SITE-26-2 FOR APPROVAL TO COUNCIL. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? APPROVAL OF THE CASE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. AND I BELIEVE OUR LAST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS TO HAVE A REPORT FROM STAFF ON THE [3. Discuss and provide staff direction regarding proposed revisions to the Sign Ordinance Chapter 6, Article III of the Code of Ordinances. ] SIGN ORDINANCE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I'LL BE BRIEF ON THIS. [00:15:02] YOU ALL REMEMBER LAST MONTH I PRESENTED THE PROPOSED DRAFT SIGN ORDINANCE TO YOU A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS CAME OUT OF THAT. SO I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU BEFORE WE PRESENT TO COUNCIL IN THE NEAR FUTURE. SO WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO IS JUST REAL QUICKLY IN YOUR BACKUP, YOU'VE GOT A REDLINED DOCUMENT OF ALL THE CHANGES THAT I'VE MADE SINCE OUR LAST CONVERSATION. JUST GOING TO RUN THROUGH THOSE REAL QUICKLY. AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS. AND THEN I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT BASED ON OUR CONVERSATIONS LAST MEETING. THE FIRST PAGE, YOU'LL NOTICE ON PAGE FIVE OF THE ORDINANCE WE ADDED TWO DEFINITIONS, ONE FOR A PRIMARY WALL SIGN AND ONE FOR A SECONDARY WALL SIGN. IF YOU'LL RECALL, THE LAST AUDIENCE THAT WE PRESENTED TO YOU DID NOT HAVE THOSE OPTIONS. THEY WERE JUST ONE WALL SIGN. BASED ON OUR CONVERSATIONS LAST MEETING, YOU ALL WANTED TO ALLOW SOME SECONDARY WALL SIGNS, SO PROVIDED THAT DEFINITION IN THERE. AND THEN MOVING ON AS I FLIP THROUGH VERY QUICKLY. THE OTHER THING THAT CAME UP UNDER EXEMPTIONS AND THAT'S ON PAGE 14 OF 22 WAS MAKING SURE THAT HOMEOWNER OR PROPERTY OWNER ASSOCIATION SIGNS WERE EXEMPT FROM HAVING TO GET PERMITS AND THAT THEY WERE ALLOWED. SO WE JUST ADDED IN SOME A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THOSE WOULD BE SO THEY WOULDN'T BE MORE THAN FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT AND WOULDN'T BE MORE THAT SHOULD BE OR GREATER THAN, I SEE A TYPO THERE, GREATER THAN SIX SQUARE FEET IN AREA. SO THAT'S ABOUT THE SIZE. REALLY, I TOOK THAT EXACTLY FROM OUR PUBLIC HEARING SIGNS THAT YOU SEE WHEN WE PUT OUT THAT KIND OF MEETS THAT. SO I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE OKAY. WES IS ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T FIT THAT I'M ASSUMING IS GRANDFATHERED. YEAH, THERE'S SOMETHING GRANDFATHERED. AND THIS WOULD BE FOR SOMETHING LIKE, AND I MAYBE EVEN NEED TO ADD IN THERE SOME TEMPORARY SIGNS. I THINK MR. JACOBSEN WAS THE REASON THEY BROUGHT THIS UP WAS BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU'LL PUT, HOAS PUT SIGNS OUT, SAY A REMINDER OF DUES, A REMINDER OF AN EVENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND SO THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNEW THOSE WERE ALLOWED AND THEY WEREN'T COVERED UNDER THIS ORDINANCE. THE OTHER THING, AND THIS IS IN A COUPLE OF PLACES THAT WE UPDATED ON LIGHTING OF SIGNS. THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE HAD JUST SOME TALKED ABOUT FLUORESCENT OR ACCENT LIGHTING. WE WENT AHEAD AND ADDED IN LEDS SO THAT WE COULD MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING UP WITH THE TIMES. SO WE ADDED THAT IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PLACES. AND THEN THE LAST, SECOND TO LAST THING. AND THIS IS ONE I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT. AND THIS IS PRIMARY WALL SIGNS. AND I WENT BACK AND I KIND OF REWATCHED THE MEETING FROM OUR LAST TIME, AND IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS A, OF THE COMMISSION. THERE MAY BE SOME INTEREST IN WANTING TO ALLOW ELECTRONIC READER BOARDS AS A PART OF A WALL SIGN. AND I THINK WE MAY WANT TO RELOOK AT THAT, BECAUSE I'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH, AND I'M NOT SEEING THAT AS A COMMON ALLOWANCE IN MOST CITIES. SO I'VE GOT SOME PICTURES TO KIND OF SHOW YOU KIND OF WHAT I FOUND, BUT, AND I'LL JUST JUMP TO THEM REAL QUICK. I'M GOING TO GO OUT OF ORDER, BUT BEAR WITH ME. SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I FOUND THAT ARE EXAMPLES OF WALL SIGNS WITH ELECTRONIC READER BOARDS. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE WANTED TO PROMOTE IN THE CITY. SO I THINK MAYBE WE WANT TO STICK TO JUST ALLOWING WALL SIGNS AND NOT ALLOW ELECTRONIC KEYBOARDS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE WALL SIGN. THOUGHTS? INTEREST. NO INTEREST. TELL ME. I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT'S NOT APPEALING. YEAH, I DO TOO. NOT APPEALING. LOOKS CHEAP. OKAY. AND I KNOW THESE ARE BAD EXAMPLES AND I GIVE YOU THAT, BUT I COULDN'T FIND ANY GOOD EXAMPLES. SO THAT WAS THE STRUGGLE I HAD. BUT SO I JUST, I WENT BACK AND LOOKED, I LOOKED AT A LOT OF OUR PEER CITIES. NONE OF THEM ALLOWED, NO WALL SIGNS ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE ELECTRONIC READER BOARDS. IS THAT IN ANY WAY DATING US? AND I DON'T THINK SO. I REALLY DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME NEW ORDINANCES OUT THERE IN NORTH RICHLAND HILLS HAS A FAIRLY NEW SIGN ORDINANCE AND THEY DIDN'T ALLOW THAT. SO I, WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE RIGHT ON BOARD WITH THAT. WES LET ME ASK YOU, JUST BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE, THE LAST TIME THIS WAS DONE WAS 2012. YEAH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YES. YES, IT'S BEEN A WHILE. IS THAT A TYPICAL I MEAN THINGS CHANGE. PEAKED ROOF, FLAT ROOFS. YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TALKING ROOFS, NOT SIGNS. IS THAT SOMETHING OR SHOULD THE CITY BE LOOKING AT THIS AS HOW DO YOU WANT TO SAY IT TASTES CHANGE? EVERY FIVE YEARS. EVERY TEN YEARS. I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS. I MEAN, I THINK SIGN ORDINANCES, DO THEY USUALLY GET KIND OF LEFT BEHIND? [00:20:06] AND, AND USUALLY, YES, I WOULD SAY SO UNLESS THEY'RE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. OURS IS NOT. AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING THAT IT'S NOT IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. BUT I MEAN, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR ORDINANCES TO BECOME DATED AND JUST LIKE WE'RE DOING WITH EVERYTHING THESE DAYS, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR ORDINANCES. SO THIS ISN'T THAT UNCOMMON THAT WE HAVE AN OLD SIGN ORDINANCE, BUT WOULD BE A GOOD PRACTICE BE TO LOOK AT IT EVERY 5 TO 10 YEARS OF COURSE. OKAY. WELL, WE'RE ON THIS SUBJECT. JUST A CLEAR POINT. SO THIS IS A WALL SIGN DESIGNATION. BUT FOR BUSINESSES THAT HANG A SIGN IN THEIR WINDOW THAT'S DOWN BELOW THAT HAS A SCROLLING MESSAGE. SO RIGHT NOW THAT IS NOT ALLOWED. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD CALL IT, BECAUSE TO ME, THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S A TEMPORARY SIGN. SO FOR INSTANCE, RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN AND THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS THAT YOUR ANY WINDOW, ANY SIGN IN THE WINDOW, WHETHER IT BE INTERNALLY LIT OR WHATNOT. AND WE'VE ALL SEEN THE OPEN SIGNS THAT ARE JUST PLUGGED IN. THOSE ARE ALLOWED, BUT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO MOVE OR THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE MOTION WITH THEM. SO IT'S VERY COMMON. OUR CODE OFFICERS WILL POP INTO A BUSINESS AND SAY, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST A TOGGLE SWITCH ON MOST OF THOSE SIGNS THAT YOU CAN TOGGLE IT TO MOTION OR JUST STATIC. AND WE JUST TELL THE BUSINESS OWNER, TURN IT TO STATIC AND IT'S FINE. IT JUST CAN'T HAVE MOTION WITH IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO AM I GETTING A CONSENSUS? AGREE WITH YOU THAT. OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. THEN I'M GOING TO. I'M, UNDER WALL SIGNS ON PAGE 17. I'M JUST GOING TO TAKE OUT WHAT I ADDED IN THERE AND WE'LL GO WITH WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE, SO. AND THEN ON 17 FURTHER DOWN ON 17 WE ADDED THE SECONDARY WALL SIGN PROVISION. WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY WE KEPT WHAT OUR CURRENT SIGN ORDINANCE HAS, WHICH A SECONDARY WALL SIGN IS ALLOWED TO HAVE HALF OF THE AREA OF THE PRIMARY WALL SIGN. AND I DID KIND OF STRUGGLE WITH THIS JUST TO, IN FULL DISCLOSURE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF MAXIMUM SIGNS, I KIND OF STRUGGLED WITH, HOW MANY MAXIMUM SECONDARY SIGNS DO WE WANT TO ALLOW? AND I LEFT IT AS UNSPECIFIED BECAUSE I LET THE AREA OF THE SIGN DICTATE HOW MANY THEY COULD HAVE. AND THE REASON I DID THAT IS BECAUSE I'M GOING THROUGH AND REVIEWING THE SIGNS FOR SPROUTS RIGHT NOW, AND THEY HAVE MULTIPLE SECONDARY SIGNS. IT DOESN'T LOOK BAD. IT'S VERY COMMON. IT'S FRESH PRODUCE, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THEY MAY BE. THOSE ALL COUNT AS THEIR SECONDARY SIGNS. SO THEY HAD TO SPLIT IT UP AND IT WORKED OUT WELL. SO I JUST LEFT IT THE WAY IT WAS. WES. YES. A QUESTION BACK TO THE WINDOW SIGNS. YES. NOW WITH AI ONE, ANYONE CAN MAKE A VIDEO AND PUT IT ON A SMALL SCREENS. SO I'M ASSUMING THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. ALSO IN THE WINDOW OF A BUSINESS, SOMEBODY COULD MAKE A REALLY COOL VIDEO THAT SHOWS WHATEVER THEIR BUSINESS IS ABOUT, BUT THAT IS NOT ALLOWED CURRENTLY. THAT WOULD NOT, THAT WOULD. ANYTHING IN A WINDOW WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT PEOPLE DO ON MONUMENT SIGNS THAT HAVE THE ELECTRONIC READER BOARD AND OR PYLON SIGNS, BUT THOSE ARE GOVERNED BY. THEY HAVE A, AND THERE'S A DETAIL IN HERE I CAN PROVIDE YOU, BUT THERE IS SET DETAILS AS TO HOW OFTEN THAT SCREEN CAN CHANGE AND HOW FAST THAT SCREEN CAN CHANGE. SO IT DOESN'T BECOME A DISTRACTION TO PEOPLE DRIVING BY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY, THANK YOU. IF I CAN, ONE OTHER THING. I'VE TOUCHED ON ALL THE CHANGES. SO WHAT I WANTED TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT REAL QUICK WAS SITE VISIBILITY. THAT WAS A BIG CONVERSATION IN OUR LAST MEETING, AND I APPRECIATE MR. JACOBSEN. HE REMINDED ME OF ONE AFTER THE PACKET WENT OUT. SO I WANTED TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT SITE VISIBILITY AND HOW IT WORKS TODAY. AND THEN COMPARED TO WHAT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE HAS YOU CAN SEE I PUT UP ON THE SCREEN HERE THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE FOR SITE VISIBILITY AND THE EXISTING LANGUAGE FOR SITE VISIBILITY. OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A LOT MORE WORDS IN THE EXISTING. SO WE TRY TO CONDENSE IT. WE ALSO, AND THERE'S A PRETTY BIG DISTANCE GAP IN THE EXISTING 60 FOOT OR 7 BY 60 FOOT ESSENTIALLY. AND I HAVE A GRAPHIC OUT OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT KIND OF SHOWS THAT. SO THE CURRENT VISIBILITY REQUIREMENTS ARE THAT YOU GO 7 FEET BACK, AND THIS IS FOR A DRIVEWAY OR ALLEY, [00:25:03] BUT YOU GO 7 FEET BACK OR 60FT, AND 60FT OVER THAT'S COVERING YOU THAT NOTHING CAN GO IN THAT AREA AS THE WAY IT SITS TODAY. IF YOU LOOK AT A STREET TO A STREET, THAT'S THAT LOWER GRAPHIC THERE, THAT'S 25FT, EITHER ONE. SO ON EITHER SIDE OF THE STREET, IT'S 25FT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? ONE EXAMPLE THAT MR. JACOBSEN POINTED OUT, AND I THINK IT WAS DISCUSSED AT OUR LAST MEETING, MAYBE BY MISS BARLOW, BUT THAT IS PARKWOOD AND BEDFORD, AND I WANTED TO KIND OF SHOW A PICTURE AND I'VE GOT SOME MEASUREMENTS TO GIVE YOU, BUT. SO THAT I TOOK THAT PICTURE TODAY THAT WAS IN MY PERSONAL VEHICLE, I PULLED UP AND THE FIRST PICTURE ON THE LEFT, THE SCREEN IS ME STOPPED RIGHT AT THE STOP SIGN WHERE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO STOP, RIGHT? THAT'S IT. THE SECOND PICTURE. AND SO I WOULD AGREE THE FIRST PICTURE, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE ANY KIND OF ONCOMING TRAFFIC COMING. HOWEVER, THAT SIGN IS 60FT FROM THAT INTERSECTION, SO IT MEETS THE CURRENT REQUIREMENTS OF TODAY'S ORDINANCE. HOWEVER, I DID PULL UP PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OVER THAT STOP LINE. I'M STILL NOT OUT IN THE TRAFFIC. AND IT DOES CHANGE THE WAY YOU CAN SEE. AND YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE AT THAT POINT ANY ONCOMING TRAFFIC. SO I GUESS MY ANSWER WOULD BE YOU STOP AND THEN YOU HAVE TO INCH UP. AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT IN TRAFFIC, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CAUSING A PROBLEM, BUT I DO SEE WHERE THE CONCERN IS STOPPED AT THE STOP SIGN. THE SPEED. I KNOW THE POSTED SPEED IS 30MPH. CORRECT. HOWEVER, MOST OF THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TEN MILES PER HOUR OVER THAT. AND EVEN WHEN YOU PULL UP, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT EASY RIGHT THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION. I GET IT, IT'S A TOUGH INTERSECTION. WE'RE KIND OF BUILT, WE'RE DEALING WITH A BUILT ENVIRONMENT THERE. BUT I DID, WHEN I MEASURED IT FROM THE CENTER OF THE INTERSECTION, WHICH WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, IT'S 60FT FROM THERE. SO IT MEETS OUR CURRENT STANDARDS. HAD WE NOT HAD THE TWO PEOPLE AT THE END OF THIS TABLE, I WOULD HAVE SUGGESTED REMOVING THE TREE. [LAUGHTER]. BUT I WAS GOING TO MENTION THAT I WAS GOING TO SAY OUR TRIANGLE VISIBILITY DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR OTHER OBSTRUCTIONS, SUCH AS LARGE TREES LIKE YOU SEE HERE. I MEAN IT. IT SHOULDN'T. WE, I WILL TELL YOU FROM A CODE ENFORCEMENT PERSPECTIVE I CAN THINK OF A HANDFUL OF ISSUES WE'VE HAD SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE THAT WE'VE MADE PEOPLE LOWER THEIR LANDSCAPING BECAUSE IT'S CAUSED PROBLEMS. I DON'T THINK IN THIS CASE. I MEAN, I AGREE THAT IF THERE WASN'T A WAY THAT YOU COULD INCH UP JUST A LITTLE BIT AND GET A CLEAR VIEW, THEN MAYBE WE'D HAVE A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE HERE. BUT SINCE I INCHED UP AND I WASN'T IN ON ANY ONCOMING TRAFFIC, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD OPEN A CODE CASE ON THIS ONE. I KNOW IT SEEMED LIKE I REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT ALSO THE DISTANCE BACK FROM THE CURVE OF THE SIGN. SO THAT IS SOMETHING. AND I'M PROBABLY GOING TO LOOK AT BECAUSE AS I WAS DRIVING AROUND TODAY, I. AND THIS IS A THIS IS A PROCESS I MAY LOOK AT INCREASING OR I MAY LOOK AT DOING A COMBINATION OF SETBACKS ARE BASED ON THE ROADWAY TYPE. AND SO I'M JUST GOING TO TALK TO OUR CITY ENGINEER AND I GET A CHANCE TO DO THAT THIS AFTERNOON, BUT I MAY LOOK AND SEE IF, YOU KNOW, EVERY ROADWAY TYPE IS CLASSIFIED PER OUR COMP PLAN. I MAY BUILD INTO THE SIGN ORDINANCE THAT WE DO A SETBACK BASED ON ROADWAY TYPE THAT BASED ON SPEED AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. IT MAY MAKE MORE SENSE. OKAY. BECAUSE I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. RIGHT. ON SEVERAL THINGS. YEAH. OKAY. EXCELLENT. OKAY, I THINK THAT IS ALL I HAD. YEAH, UNLESS YOU ALL HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. I'M. THAT'S THE CONCLUSION OF MY PRESENTATION. DO WE HAVE AN ACTION POINT HERE? SINCE THIS IS NOT IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, TECHNICALLY, I DIDN'T HAVE TO BRING IT TO YOU. STAFF JUST THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA THAT SINCE IT DEALS WITH ESTHETICS, IT DEALS WITH ZONING OR IT DEALS WITH DEVELOPMENT IN GENERAL. WE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA JUST TO GET IN FRONT OF YOU, AND WE THOUGHT COUNCIL WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR INPUT ON IT. BUT THERE IS NO OFFICIAL ACTION. OKAY. OKAY. EXCELLENT. WELL, THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO KNOW? I THINK THE ONLY THING I NEED FROM YOU IS A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT. JUST TO BE NOSY. HAVE WE HEARD ANY TENTATIVE OPEN DATE FOR H-E-B? THAT'S A QUESTION I KEEP ON BEING ASKED. I HAVE NOT, BUT I KNOW THAT OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT IS ON IT, SO AS SOON AS THEY KNOW, IT WILL BE ON ALL OF OUR COMMUNICATION. OKAY. YEAH. IF I CAN ADD TO THAT, I JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE LUNCH WITH ANDREA, AND I HAD HEARD A RUMOR SOFT OPENING ON THE 20TH, HARD OPENING ON. SHE HAD HEARD THE SAME RUMOR AND SHE SAID THEY MADE AN INQUIRY TO H-E-B. [00:30:02] H-E-B DID NOT GET BACK WITH THEM. OKAY. WE'RE WAITING FOR. WE'RE WAITING FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN. I'LL SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? YES. THANK YOU. WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 6:30. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.