Mar 26, 2026 Planning & Zoning Commission

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AT 6:00. CALL TO ORDER THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE BEDFORD PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR TODAY,

[CALL TO ORDER & ROLL CALL]

ROGER GALLENSTEIN, PRESENT. KATE BARLOW, PRESENT.

TOM JACOBSEN, PRESENT. BRUCE EMERY, CHAIRMAN, PRESENT.

DUKE LOPER, PRESENT. JR SMITH, PRESENT. AARON LEE, PRESENT.

MIKE INGRAHAM, PRESENT. GREETINGS, COMMISSIONERS.

WE HAVE OUR INVOCATION AND OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

PLEASE STAND. OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, THANK YOU FOR THE BLESSINGS THAT YOU'VE BESTOWED UPON US AS CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF BEDFORD AND ALL THOSE AROUND US, AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE OUR CITY AS COMMISSIONERS.

HELP US WITH SOUND JUDGMENT AND THINKING OF OTHER FOLKS AS WE DELIBERATE TONIGHT'S RESPONSIBILITIES.

IN JESUS NAME, AMEN. AMEN. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

SO WE HAVE ONE COMMISSIONER MISSING THIS EVENING.

GENTLEMEN, WHOSE TURN IS IT TO VOTE TONIGHT? WHO VOTED LAST? YOU WILL BE A VOTING MEMBER THIS EVENING. AND IN MISS CRAWFORD'S ABSENCE.

FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR OUR MEETING ON FEBRUARY 26TH.

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE. TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 26TH.

IT'S BEEN A MONTH SINCE WE WERE HERE LAST. YEAH.

ALL RIGHT, CONSIDERATION IS TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A FINAL PLAT OF BROWN TRAIL ESTATES ADDITION BLOCK A,

[2. Consider approval of a Final Plat of Brown Trail Estates Addition Block A Lots 1 & 2 being 0.476 acres in the Alexander Allen Survey, Abstract No. 11, located on the east side of Brown Trail, north of the Spring Garden and Brown Trail intersection. (PLAT-25-5) ]

THANK YOU. IN THE ALEXANDER ALLEN SURVEY, ABSTRACT NO.

11, LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF BROWN TRAIL, NORTH OF THE SPRING GARDEN AND BROWN TRAIL INTERSECTION.

THIS IS CASE PLAT-25-5. MR. WES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. COMMISSION MEMBERS. THIS IS A FINAL PLAT.

IF YOU RECALL BACK IN LATE 2024, I BELIEVE THE COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A REZONING ON THIS PROPERTY FROM R-15 TO R-9000. SO THE APPLICANT IS GOING INTO BACKGROUND.

THE APPLICANT IS COMING IN NOW WITH A PLAT TO SUBDIVIDE THE LOT INTO TWO LOTS.

BOTH BEING A LITTLE OVER 10,000FT² IN SIZE, SO THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH ZONING.

ONE ALL ACCESS LOTS ARE GOING TO BE OFF OF BROWN TRAIL AND WATER IS EXISTING AND SEWER WILL HAVE TO BE EXTENDED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER BEFORE BUILDING PERMITS ARE ISSUED ON THE PROPERTY. AND I'M GOING TO BACK AWAY FROM THAT.

WE'VE GOT THE PLOT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. AGAIN, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD TWO LOTS THERE THAT YOU SEE.

THE ONE UNIQUE THING ABOUT THIS PROPERTY IS ON LOT NUMBER ONE THERE IS THAT EMERGENCY SIREN THAT IS EXISTING AND THAT'S GOING TO STAY.

IF YOU RECALL, DURING THE REZONING THAT WAS DISCUSSED, THAT ACCESS EASEMENT IS, AN EASEMENT THAT IS ALREADY RECORDED TO THE COUNTY.

WE JUST PUT THE DOCUMENTATION ON THE PLAT SO NO CHANGE THERE.

AND SO THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO WHOEVER BUYS THAT LOT WILL HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT AS IT STATES IN THE EASEMENT DOCUMENTS.

I THINK EVERYBODY'S FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE, BUT THOSE ARE PICTURES OF THE SITE AND THE SURROUNDING AREA.

AND THEN PLAT DOES COMPLY WITH ALL OF OUR ORDINANCES AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODES, THEREFORE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. I'VE GOT A SHORT ONE ABOUT THE EASEMENT.

WITH THAT, IF THE CITY DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE THE SIREN SOMEPLACE ELSE.

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IT ESSENTIALLY WOULD BE A. THANK YOU. I KNEW THERE WAS A WORD I WAS LOOKING FOR AN ABANDONMENT OF THE OF THAT EASEMENT, AND IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE A REPLY. IT COULD BE DONE BY SEPARATE INSTRUMENT.

OKAY. JUST CURIOUS. WES, WILL THERE BE ONE DRIVE AND THEN IT SPLITS, OR ARE THEY EACH GOING TO HAVE THEIR OWN? IT COULD BE ONE DRIVE, BUT I ANTICIPATE IT BEING TWO DRIVES.

OKAY. OKAY.

I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE PLAT APPLICATION 25-2025.

I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OKAY.

PLAT CASE 25-5 HAS BEEN APPROVED. THANK YOU SIR.

THOSE LOTS HADN'T ACTUALLY BEEN SOLD YET. THEY'RE STILL.

I DO NOT BELIEVE THEY HAVE BEEN. OKAY. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SIGNS OUT ON IT.

YEAH, WES USED THE OLD PICTURES. I DID. IS THAT ORANGE STILL THERE? THAT'S. I DON'T THINK THE ORANGE HOLE IS STILL THERE. ALL RIGHT.

OUR NEXT ITEM IS A KIND OF A WORKSHOP ITEM TO TALK ABOUT THE SIGN ON, PROPOSED SIGN ORDINANCE AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.

[3. Discuss and provide staff direction regarding proposed revisions to the Sign Ordinance Chapter, 6 Article III of the Code of Ordinances. ]

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THIS IS GOING TO BE AS DETAILED AS I.

IF YOU WANT ME TO BE. BUT I'LL KEEP IT VERY HIGH LEVEL AND WE'VE GOT A LITTLE FLY FLYING AROUND, SO MAYBE THEY'LL. OH, WASP EVEN BETTER. SO YEAH, SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.

THE BULK OF THE EXISTING SIGN ORDINANCE HAS NOT OR WAS ADOPTED LAST IN 2012.

THERE'S BEEN A FEW MINOR AMENDMENTS SINCE THEN, BUT NOTHING BIG. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A COMPLETE OVERWRITE OR REWRITE OF THE EXISTING SIGN ORDINANCE. GOAL OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE IS REALLY TO, WE WANT TO PROVIDE BUSINESSES THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADVERTISE THEIR BUSINESS. HOWEVER, WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ENVIRONMENT SAFETY AND JUST THE OVERALL APPEARANCE OF THE CITY IS MAINTAINED WHILE DOING THAT.

SO THOSE ARE THE GOALS. I'M GOING TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE THE BIGGER CHANGES I THINK THAT ARE IMPORTANT.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, OUR CURRENT SIGN ORDINANCE IS REALLY WEAK WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT MAINTENANCE OF EXISTING SIGNS OR REMOVAL OF OLD SIGNS.

YOU MAY DRIVE THROUGH TOWN. YOU MAY SEE A BUSINESS THAT HAS BEEN GONE FOR QUITE SOME TIME, BUT THE SIGN IS STILL THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF SIGN ORDINANCES AROUND US THAT REQUIRE THAT SIGN TO COME DOWN WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.

OUR ORDINANCE DOESN'T, SO THAT CHANGES, THAT'S A CHANGE IN THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE.

THERE'S ANOTHER PROVISION IN OUR EXISTING ORDINANCE THAT IT PROVIDES IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE BUILDING A SETBACK SO FAR AND IT'S JUST KIND OF A SLIDING SCALE IN THE EXISTING ORDINANCE, BUT IF IT'S SET BACK SO FAR FROM THE ROAD, YOU GET TO CREATE A BIGGER AND BIGGER SIGN.

AND IT ALWAYS DOESN'T, IT KIND OF BACKFIRES A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT IN SOME CASES CAN MAKE A REALLY BIG SIGN WHEN YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED A BIG SIGN ON IN A SHOPPING CENTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO SCALE THAT BACK A LITTLE BIT.

ANOTHER BIG CHANGE IS RIGHT NOW OUR ORDINANCE ALLOWS POLE OR PYLON SIGNS ON NON-FREEWAY ROADWAYS.

THIS WOULD PROHIBIT THAT. SO THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGER CHANGES THAT YOU MAY SEE OUT OF THIS.

THIS WOULD MEAN THAT ANY NEW SIGNS THAT ARE NOT ON THAT ARE ON PROPERTY THAT ARE NOT HAVE FRONTAGE ON THE FREEWAY, AIRPORT FREEWAY OR 121 WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO DO A POLE OR PYLON SIGN.

ACTUALLY THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE DOESN'T EVEN ADDRESS POLE SIGNS.

THEY'RE JUST NOT ALLOWED. PYLON SIGNS WOULD BE THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED GOING FORWARD.

IT REALLY ENCOURAGES THE MULTI-TENANT SIGNAGE.

SO YOU'LL SEE IN HERE WE'VE TRIED TO INCENTIVIZE AND WE'VE IN SOME CASES RESTRICT, WE'VE PUT SITE OR DISTANCES BETWEEN OTHER SIGNS IN A WAY TO TRY TO PUSH PEOPLE TO WORK TOGETHER AND, AND TO CO-LOCATE SIGNS.

AND THEN THE LAST THING IT DOES IS IT CREATES A PROCESS FOR ESTABLISHING A SPECIAL SIGN PROGRAM OR SPECIAL SIGN DISTRICT.

I WOULD EQUATE THAT PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE IT, ESPECIALLY FOR YOU ALL, IS WE DO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WE CALL A CREATE YOUR OWN ZONING DISTRICT.

THIS IS KIND OF CREATE YOUR OWN SIGN DISTRICT.

IDEALLY IT'S FOR LARGER DEVELOPMENTS. USE THE EXAMPLE OF GATEWAY VILLAGE WHERE YOU'VE GOT A SPROUT,

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THAT OWNERSHIP COMES TOGETHER AND SAYS, THIS IS THE SIGN PACKAGE THAT I WANT FOR THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COHESIVE. GOAL IS IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT MORE ATTRACTIVE AND EVERYTHING MATCHES UP.

SO IT GIVES THAT. IT GIVES THE OWNER SOME AN OPPORTUNITY TO PETITION P&Z, AND THEN ULTIMATELY COUNCIL ON CREATING THAT SPECIAL SIGN DISTRICT. I'M ASSUMING IN SOME OF THESE TODAY EXIST, THOSE PEOPLE ARE GRANDFATHERED AND THEY ARE GRANDFATHERED INTO A NEW BUSINESS, OR ARE THEY GRANDFATHERED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, IN OTHER WORDS, IN THREE YEARS.

THEY, THERE'S NOT A TIME FRAME ON GRANDFATHERING, AND I'M GOING TO GET OFF SOMETHING HERE.

SO IF I SAY SOMETHING WRONG, PLEASE CORRECT ME. THERE'S NOT A TIME FRAME ON GRANDFATHERING AS FAR AS THE SIGN ORDINANCE IS CONSIDERED.

IT WOULD BE IF THE SIGN IS REMOVED OR LIKE FOR INSTANCE, IF IT'S, IF THERE'S A POLE SIGN THERE NOW AND THEY'RE ON CENTRAL DRIVE AND THEY REMOVE THE POLE SIGN AND THEY'VE LOST THEIR GRANDFATHERING, THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK WITH ONLY A MONUMENT SIGN OR A WALL SIGN AT THAT POINT. OR IF IT WAS DETERIORATED, AS YOU MENTIONED. OR MORE THAN 50% DAMAGED, RIGHT? YEAH. YOU WANT TO. YES. THANK YOU. YES. OR IF THEY WANTED TO COME IN AND AMEND THEIR SIGN, IF THEY WANTED TO CHANGE ANYTHING ON IT, THAT'S GOING TO MAKE IT SUBJECT TO THE NEW SIGN ORDINANCE.

IF THEY TOUCH IT BECAUSE IT'S A NONCONFORMING OLD USE THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY ILLEGAL, BUT DOESN'T FIT THE NEW PARAMETERS.

THAT WHOLE PARAGRAPH IT TALKS ABOUT EXISTING NON CONFORMING PRIOR TO THIS CONTINUE TO BE NON CONFORMING AND ILLEGAL, BUT THIS APPLIES IF THEY TOUCH IT BASICALLY. YES IT'S LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING.

AND UNLESS OR UNTIL IT IS REMOVED ALTERED OR CHANGED.

GOT IT. SO IF THERE'S A CHANGEOVER IN THE TENANT AND THEY'RE WANTING TO UPDATE THE SIGNAGE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO, THEN THEY COULDN'T USE THE CURRENT POLE THAT WOULD ALREADY BE INSTALLED. THEY WOULD HAVE TO. CORRECT. THAT. CORRECT.

AND JUST SO I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, YOU'RE SAYING THAT LEGALLY WE CAN'T REQUIRE, SAY, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW THAT SIGN TO BE REMOVED TO APPLY TO THE NEW POLICY.

THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD CALL AMORTIZATION, IS THAT CORRECT? AND, THAT'S A BIG WORD FOR ME. SO BUT BUT NO, AND THAT REQUIRES ESSENTIALLY, AGAIN, THE CITY KIND OF PUTTING MONEY UP TO YOUR, YOUR SIGN LIFE IS X NUMBER OF YEARS. AND, AND IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THAT, THEN THE CITY HAS TO COME IN AND PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF INCENTIVE OR PAYMENT PROCESS, CORRECT? SPEAKING VERY HYPOTHETICAL, BUT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE PROCESS.

I, ON THAT SUBJECT. YOU KNOW, THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS.

SO THIS IS PROBABLY NOT THE FIRST TIME YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS. BUT THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH ON THAT SUBJECT IN CASE.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE A BIG BUCKET OF MONEY OUT THERE FOR SIGNAGE.

BUT IF THERE ARE OTHER WAYS, CREATIVE WAYS OUT THERE THAT I'M GOING TO SEE WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING TO SEE IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF DOING THAT.

ALL CITIES ARE GOING AWAY FROM HOME FOR YEARS.

SURE. THAT HONESTLY AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT GOES BACK TO OURS WAS LAST UPDATED IN 2012.

I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED THAT EVEN IN 2012 WE ALLOWED PULSE SIGNS.

BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. IT GETS DESTROYED THOUGH, IF SOMEONE HITS IT WITH A CAR.

NOT THAT I'M SAYING THAT WE NEED TO GO DO THAT, BUT. I WOULDN'T ENCOURAGE, I WOULD NOT ENCOURAGE THAT.

NO. YOU START WITH THE SHELL SIGN AT BEDFORD AND FOREST RIDGE.

LET'S REFRAIN. NO. LET'S NOT. IT WOULD SOMEHOW GET DESTROYED.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO, WES A CATEGORY THAT I DIDN'T SEE THAT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART.

HOA INFORMATIONAL SIGNS, WOULD THAT BE A CATEGORY THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO ADD? ARE YOU TALKING LIKE FOR A CIVIC OR NONPROFIT? RIGHT NOW IN MY SUBDIVISION, I'VE JUST PUT OUT TWO WEEKS AGO INFORMATIONAL SIGNS FOR DUES.

SINCE PEOPLE NEVER SEEM TO REMEMBER THAT IT'S TIME TO PAY DUES.

AND SOMETIMES THERE'S THERE ARE THE NEED FOR ANNUAL MEETINGS.

SO TYPICALLY MOST HOAS HAVE THESE KIND OF SIGNS.

AND MY SUGGESTION MIGHT BE THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER CATEGORY THAT WOULD BE HOA INFORMATIONAL SIGNS, BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THERE RELATED TO THAT UNLESS I MISSED UNLESS THERE'S ANOTHER CATEGORY I DIDN'T LOOK FOR.

I WAS LOOKING UNDER THE SECTION 6-76. I THOUGHT WE LISTED SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE EXEMPTIONS.

WHERE'S? THAT'S GOING TO BE ON PAGE. MY DOCUMENT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN YOURS, BUT. I DIDN'T SEE. WOULDN'T THAT FALL UNDER LIKE A TEMPORARY SIGN? THERE ARE TEMPORARY SIGN REGULATIONS AND YES, IT WOULD.

PAGE 12 OR 13. WHAT IS THE ONE THAT WOULD BE.

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YEAH, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE. THERE'S PLENTY OF HOAS THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT THAT WOULD APPLY.

AND THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. ALSO ARE THE HOA'S WHO HAVE THE PERMANENT ONES LIKE OURS IS MOUNTED ON THE BACK OF A WALL, BUT I KNOW. SO THOSE ARE SUBDIVISION WALL SIGNS AND THAT IS COVERED IN THIS DOCUMENT, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT ATTACHED TO A WALL, BECAUSE I KNOW. I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DEFINITION, BUT ESSENTIALLY THERE ARE PROVISIONS FOR SUBDIVISION WALL SIGNS BECAUSE WE USED TO HAVE THEM JUST THEY JUST USED TO BE STANDALONE AT THE ENTRANCE.

AND THERE ARE SOME LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT WE WOULD HAVE PUT THAT DIRECTLY.

THAT HAD TO BE ATTACHED TO A FENCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT WE'LL, LET ME.

ANOTHER QUESTION I'VE GOT WITH RESPECT TO THE MONUMENT SIGNS.

THERE'S THIS WHOLE PARAGRAPH. I DON'T HAVE THE PAGE ABOUT THE BOND REQUIREMENT FOR A MONUMENT SIGN.

IT'S PRETTY EXTENSIVE ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF BOND REQUIRED.

A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, SOME KIDS DEFACED ONE OF OUR SIGNS AND WE HAD TO HAVE A SIGN COMPANY COME IN AND REDO THE SIGN, THE LETTERING. WOULD THAT REQUIRE THAT TYPE OF A FEE AND THAT TYPE OF BOND REQUIREMENT? LET ME, LET ME, IF I CAN ADDRESS MISS BARLOW'S QUESTION REAL QUICK, AND THEN I'LL JUMP OVER TO THAT.

BUT IF YOU LOOK UNDER THE, AND I APOLOGIZE, MY PAGE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT THAN YOURS.

BUT IF YOU LOOK UNDER SUBDIVISION WALL SIGNS, IT'S GOING TO BE LETTER J ON THE CHART.

TOWARD. PAGE 15. THANK YOU. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT IT TALKS ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A SUBDIVISION WALL SIGN HAS TO BE A PART OF A, SOME TYPE OF SCREENING WALL, OR HAS TO BE IDENTIFIED ON THE SUBDIVISION PLAT THAT'S MAINTAINED BY THE HOA.

SO FUTURE, THAT'S TALKING ABOUT OBVIOUSLY FUTURE SIGNS, IF THERE'S SOMETHING EXISTING AGAIN IT WOULD BE NON-CONFORMING.

AND SO IT WOULD BE HANDLED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.

NOW. MR. JACOBSEN BACK TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE BOND.

I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT REAL QUICK. THAT WAS ON THE APPLICATION PORTION, I BELIEVE.

YEAH. INSURANCE AND BONDS. YEAH. PAGE SEVEN FOR US.

THAT'S TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT FOR CONTRACTOR LICENSING.

THAT WOULDN'T BE A REQUIREMENT FOR AN HOA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THANK YOU.

I DO HAVE AND WE CAN DO THIS HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO THIS TONIGHT.

BUT I DID KIND OF PROVIDE. I THOUGHT I'D GO THROUGH ON SOME OF THE BIG BIGGER ITEMS, THINGS THAT WE SEE MORE OF.

I'D KIND OF GO THROUGH AND GIVE YOU A COMPARISON OF WHAT THE EXISTING SIGN ORDINANCE SAYS TODAY VERSUS WHAT THE PROPOSED REGULATIONS SAY.

IF YOU WANT ME TO DO THAT, OR IF YOU JUST WANT TO PEPPER ME WITH QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT TOO.

WELL, THAT'S PROBABLY A GREAT IDEA TO JUMP TO THAT. I HAVE A GENERAL ON TWO.

THERE'S TWO PLACES IN HERE BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF DESIGN MULTI-TENANT SIGN AND THE SINGLE MONUMENT SIGN.

EIGHT FEET SEEMS A LITTLE TALL FOR A MONUMENT SIGN, AS A MAXIMUM.

IS TO 16FT SEEMS AWFULLY TALL FOR A MULTI-TENANT THING.

SO WHERE'S THE PARAMETER FOR THAT? FOR INSTANCE, YOU GO INTO OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES WHERE EVEN THE MCDONALD'S SIGN IS, YOU KNOW, FIVE FEET OFF THE GROUND. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU GO THROUGH CORRIDORS WHERE THEY'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE GROUND.

I MEAN, THEY'RE SHORT. IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE SHORTER THAN EIGHT FEET.

BUT AM I JUST NOT THE ONES I STOOD NEXT TO SEEMED, YOU KNOW, THAT WERE LIKE THAT SEEMED, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT MUCH TALLER THAN ME, SO, YEAH, I WOULD SAY SEVEN EIGHT FEET IS PRETTY STANDARD FOR A SINGLE TENANT MONUMENT SIGN.

WE DID LOOK AT OTHER CITIES AND SEE WHAT OUR PEER COMMUNITIES WERE, WERE REGULATING.

WE KIND OF MIMICKED THAT A LITTLE BIT OFF OF THESE.

SOME OF THESE WERE WE MAY HAVE TWEAKED THEM A LITTLE BIT, BUT OVERALL.

SO YEAH, I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, GIVEN THAT OUR EXISTING REGULATIONS ALLOW MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF A MONUMENT SIGN TO BE SEVEN FEET.

AND SO I WOULD, AND THAT'S WHETHER YOU'RE MULTI-TENANT OR SINGLE TENANT.

SO IF THAT GIVES YOU ANY PERSPECTIVE. THERE ARE BIGGER PROPERTIES LIKE THIS ALLOWS THE MULTIPLE TENANT SIGN TO BE A LITTLE BIT TALLER TO GIVE SOME.

WELL, AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE MULTI TENANT SIGNAGE.

AND SO INSTEAD OF HAVING FIVE SIGNS, THEN YOU CAN GET IT ALL DONE IN ONE.

AND IT'S ACTUALLY THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN, NOT WHAT IT SITS ON AS FAR AS THE LAND.

AND THAT'S DEFINED IN THE ORDINANCE HERE. LET ME.

THINK ABOUT NOT BUILDING A CURB. WELL SOMETIMES THEY'RE RAISED.

IN OTHER WORDS, JUST THE LANDSCAPE BERM. I'M SORRY.

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THAT'S WHAT I'M KIND OF ASKING. IT'S IN HERE.

YEAH, IT'S IN HERE. YEAH. THERE'S THIS UNDER EACH OF THE HEIGHT MEASUREMENTS.

IT SAYS CREATING A GRADE OR BERMING TO ADD OR ADDING FILL TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN IS PROHIBITED.

TYPICALLY YOU MEASURE. TYPICALLY, YOU MEASURE THE HEIGHT FROM THE EITHER, WHICHEVER IS.

AND YOU GIVE THEM SOME GRACE, BUT WHICHEVER IS GREATER FROM THE BASE OF WHERE THE SIGN IS, OR YOU MEASURE IT SOMETIMES FROM THE ROADWAY BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR THAT'S WHAT THEIR MARKET IS.

SO THAT'S USUALLY WHERE YOU MEASURE THE BASE FROM OR THE HEIGHT FROM.

WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ME TO GO THROUGH. IF YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO.

OH, AND THAT'LL SUBURB QUESTIONS. OKAY. SO WE'VE KIND OF, NOT TO BELABOR MONUMENT SIGNS, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HERE RIGHT NOW.

THE ORDINANCE STATES THAT FOR SETBACKS, YOU HAVE TO BE TEN FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

WE HAVE, WE'VE TWEAKED THAT A LITTLE BIT TO SAY FIVE FEET FROM A NON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE, 50FT FROM A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE. SO TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BUFFER TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

AGAIN, THE MAXIMUM AREA HEIGHT AND SPACING BETWEEN SIGNS.

WE'VE, WE'VE BROKEN THAT UP BETWEEN MULTI-TENANT AND SINGLE TENANT.

SO YOU CAN SEE THERE RIGHT NOW, MAXIMUM AREA OF A, OF A MONUMENT SIGN IS 75FT², SEVEN FEET IN HEIGHT.

AND THE READER BOARD, WHICH IS THE ELECTRONIC READER BOARDS CAN BE 100% OF THE SIGN AS IT SITS TODAY.

OUR PROPOSAL IS THAT YOU LIMIT THAT DOWN TO 50% OF THE SIGN.

AND THEN THERE'S NO SPACING REQUIREMENT OR NO MAXIMUM NUMBER.

AND SO WE'RE PROPOSING 150FT BETWEEN EACH SIGN ON THE PROPERTY AND THEN ONE SIGN PER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. PLEASE. FOR THE READER BOARD PART, FOR INSTANCE, THE SIGN AT THE LIBRARY, IT'S A READER BOARD, OR THE FIRE STATIONS AND THEY'RE GETTING READY TO REVIEW THAT.

DOES THE MASONRY PART OF THE SIGN COUNT AS SQUARE FOOTAGE? NO, NOT. AT THE LIBRARY. THAT'S A 100% READER BOARD.

I'M. YOU'RE TESTING MY MEMORY NOW. BUT NO. IT'S JUST THE DIGITAL SIGN.

BUT THERE IS. IT DOESN'T SAY BEDFORD LIBRARY ON THE TOP? THAT'S, IT'S NOT STATIC. I MEAN, JUST YEAH, IT'S STATIC.

THE LETTERS JUST A LITTLE, A SMALL PART. SO SIGNS MEASURE.

YOU TAKE THE ENTIRE AREA THAT ACTUALLY HAS A SIGN, NOT THE STRUCTURE, BUT THE SIGN AREA.

AND YOU BUILD A BOX AROUND THAT AND THAT'S HOW YOU MEASURE THE AREA. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. JUST BECAUSE. SURE. WE'RE GETTING READY TO CHANGE A LOT OF THOSE SIGNS IN DIFFERENT PLACES.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT LIGHTING? LIGHTING AS FAR AS WHETHER IT'S BACKLIT OR. SURE, EACH SECTION HAS.

AND IT DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF SIGN. BUT EACH SECTION DOES HAVE YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A SINGLE-PHASE SIGN OR DOUBLE FACED.

LIGHTING'S ALLOWED LIGHTING IS PERMISSIBLE BY BLACK, CAN'T SPEAK, BACK FLUORESCENT OR ACCENT LIGHTING.

AND THEN IT SAYS NO LIGHTING SHALL PRODUCE ANY TYPE OF SAFETY HAZARD OR HARM, LIKE SHINING INTO TRAFFIC OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL GO AHEAD. I WAS GONNA ASK, HOW ARE YOU MAKING THAT DETERMINATION IF IT BECOMES A SAFETY HAZARD BASED ON THE BRIGHTNESS LEVEL? THAT'S I MEAN, THAT'S GOING TO BE UP TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.

IF WE IF WE START GETTING COMPLAINTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN WE, WE GO OUT AND WE INVESTIGATE IF IT'S DEEMED A HAZARD BY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, THEN IT GOES TO THE PROPERTY OWNER DOESN'T AGREE, THEN IT JUST GOES TO MUNICIPAL COURT.

AND IT'S A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE. I'M THINKING OF AN EXAMPLE OF, OF BROWN SHAUN 83 RIGHT BESIDE THE 7-ELEVEN.

THERE'S A PROPERTY BEHIND IT THAT'S A BIG ELECTRONIC BILLBOARD TYPE SIGN, VERY BRIGHT AT NIGHT.

I WOULD HANDLE. THAT PARTICULAR ONE IS A, IS AN ONGOING ISSUE.

SO THERE ARE ALSO IN THIS ORDINANCE, THERE ARE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS FOR READER BOARDS THEMSELVES AS FAR AS HOW FAST THEY CAN TURN OVER HOW BRIGHT THEY CAN BE, THINGS LIKE THAT.

THERE'S NO MOTION PICTURES, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SEE SOME NOW THAT SHOW A LITTLE MOVIE ON THEM.

SO THAT, THAT TYPE OF THING IS PROHIBITED AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SINCE IT'S ON THE WAY OUT. IS THERE A DIFFERENCE FOR LED? I'LL MAKE THAT NOTE AND SEE. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WHILE WE'RE HERE.

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YOU SEE ANYTHING IN THERE OUTSIDE OF THE TRAFFIC TRIANGLE DIDN'T REALLY ADDRESS.

WELL, THE TRAFFIC TRIANGLE WOULD ADDRESS THAT.

BUT OUTSIDE OF AN INTERSECTION, WHAT HAPPENS? YOU'VE GOT A, YOU KNOW, STRAIGHT STRETCH OF HIGHWAY OR THERE'S A TURN BY FOOT BACK BLOCKS THAT FURTHER.

IS THAT A. SURE, AN INTERSECTION IS CONSIDERED A DRIVEWAY OR A STREET.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF INTERSECTION IS THAT IS AM I MISUNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION? I'M JUST THINKING JUST LET'S SAY DRIVING ALONG HARWOOD.

OKAY. AND SOMEBODY YOU'RE GOING WEST, AND AS IT STARTS TO TURN BEFORE YOU GET TO HURST, THE SIGNS SIT HERE AND YOUR TURN.

YOU CAN'T SEE VERY FAR AHEAD OF YOU. SO THAT WOULD BE IN THE VISIBILITY REALLY TRIANGLE FOR AN INTERSECTION.

IF THERE'S NO INTERSECTION, I'M JUST. IF YOU'RE STARTING TO TURN, WHAT ARE YOU TURNING INTO? NO, NO. THE HIGHWAY BENDS. OH, OH. I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY.

FOR, LIKE, ONCOMING TRAFFIC WITH THE SIGN. OKAY.

I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO GET REAL TECHIE, BUT YOU GET. FOR INSTANCE, DO YOU HAVE.

OKAY, THEN LET ME ASK. LET ME ASK THE QUESTION THEN.

DO YOU HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE FIVE FOOT, IS THAT WHAT YOU HAVE A CONCERN WITH? OKAY, OKAY.

JUST A SETBACK THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.

SO IF YOU WANT TO SEE A LARGER SETBACK, IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE TEN-FOOT SETBACK, WE CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE.

OKAY. COULD BE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. I MEAN. MORE THAN FIVE TO GET IT OFF THE.

THE ONLY WAY I COULD DO TO ADDRESS THAT CONCERN WOULD BE TO ADDRESS THE SETBACK.

JUST BECAUSE I CAN'T WRITE AN ORDINANCE THAT ADDRESSES VARIOUS.

I KNOW YOU KNOW THAT. I'M JUST SAYING SETBACK WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY WE COULD HANDLE THAT MUCH, BUT SEEM LIKE FIVE IS WHEN YOU INCLUDE THE. SEVEN AND A HALF.

I'M JUST THROWING A NUMBER OUT THERE NOW. MAYBE LIKE EIGHT IS BETTER BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY LINE, DEPENDING ON WHERE IT GOES, IF IT GOES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. IF IT JUST GOES TO THE SIDEWALK, WHERE'S THAT SIGN END UP REALLY BEING AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE? IT COULD BE PRETTY TIGHT TO THE STREET. I COULD ALSO.

POTENTIALLY MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM TO HAVE SIDEWALKS THERE IN THOSE SITUATIONS.

YOU'VE GOT EASEMENTS. BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SOME SIGNAGE NOW THAT IS LIKE IT REALLY KIND OF A LITTLE BIT IMPEDES WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

I MEAN, I THINK IF YOU'VE GOT A CONCERN WITH THE FIVE FOOT, THEN I WOULD JUST SUGGEST WE KEEP IT AT TEN FOOT.

OKAY. OKAY. MAKE IT EASY. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT HARD, BUT.

ALSO HAVE AN ISSUE WHEN YOU'RE GOING NORTH ON PARKWOOD.

THE NEW STREET. AND YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT.

THERE'S A POLE RIGHT THERE AND THERE'S A BIG TREE.

YOU REALLY HAVE TO PULL WEIGHT UP TO MAKE THAT LEFT HAND TURN ON TO THE ROAD.

I WAS GOING TO BRING THAT UP. IT'S HARD TO SEE.

YOU CAN'T SEE ONCOMING TRAFFIC. I CAN MAKE A NOTE OF THAT, BUT SINCE THERE'S NOT A SIGN THERE DOESN'T REALLY APPLY TO THIS CONVERSATION.

AGAIN, I CAN'T ANTICIPATE EVERY SCENARIO. SO I THINK TEN-FOOT JUST SOUNDS LIKE IT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

AND THIS IS YEARS AGO, BUT WHEN WE CREATED THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION IN OUR OLD NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN PUT IN A MONUMENT SIGN, WE WORKED WITH THE CITY FOR THE SITE. WE ALSO, BECAUSE EVEN WITHOUT THE SIGN, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT WAS STILL KIND OF BLIND WHERE FOREST DRIVE WENT OUT.

AND THE CITY WAS NICE ENOUGH ON HARWOOD TO PUT A CAUTION THAT FLASHED THAT.

THERE'S A STREET THAT COMES OUT THERE. SO THAT'S ANOTHER THOUGHT.

OKAY. YEAH, IT. NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT IT WAS TO PROTECT OUR HOMEOWNERS, ANYBODY COMING OUT.

SURE. I WE MIGHT BE GETTING A LITTLE BIT OFF THE SUBJECT OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE, BUT.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, WE DID. OKAY. WE DON'T SAY SOMETHING NOW.

WE'RE GOING TO FORGET IT. I GET IT, I GET IT.

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. IF THE DRIVEWAY IS CONSIDERED AN INTERSECTION, I GUESS.

SO LIKE AT THE KROGER CENTER, THE GATOR HAS ASSIGNED TO THE NORTH OF THE DRIVEWAY.

WHEN YOU COME OUT THERE AT THE GAS STATION WHERE THEY'RE ADVERTISING THAT THAT'S THEIR, THE LEASING AGENT.

OKAY. IT'S HARD TO SEE ONCOMING TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE NORTH BECAUSE OF THEIR SIGN.

IS IT? SO THAT AGAIN WOULD APPLY. WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE AND I'D HAVE TO.

I'D JUST HAVE TO HAVE KODAK GO OUT THERE AND INVESTIGATE WHETHER IT'S IN THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE OR NOT. YEAH. IT'S, YOU KNOW, PRETTY CLOSE TO THE CURB. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO PULL OUT PRETTY FAR TO SEE. SO AS I WAS READING THIS, I WAS THINKING TO PLACES WHERE, YOU DRIVE.

AND THE SIGN IS THE BLIND SPOT ALL OVER TOWN.

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SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO.

IF WE'VE GOT CONCERNS ABOUT SPECIFIC PROPERTIES, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THOSE OFFLINE, I GUESS. BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO TO DIVE INTO EACH EVERY VISIBILITY ISSUE WE HAVE. I WAS JUST THINKING OF JUST A GENERAL EXAMPLE OF WHERE SOMEBODY PUT A MONUMENT SIGN THAT'S PERMANENT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IN THE GROUND THAT IMPEDES VISIBILITY.

WHETHER IT'S PERMANENT OR NOT. BUT WE DON'T. IT WILL BE THERE.

I'M SORRY. BECAUSE THERE'S STILL GRANDFATHERED, RIGHT? SO EVEN IF THEY'RE THERE NOW. BUT IT COULD BE A CODE VIOLATION RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, IT COULD BE I DON'T KNOW. RIGHT. I MEAN, THE CURRENT ORDINANCE DOES HAVE A VISIBILITY TRIANGLE.

THIS IS GOING OFF THE RAILS HERE. OKAY. SO DO WE WANT TO KEEP GOING? OKAY. YES. PYLON SIGNS. THE, AGAIN, WE HAVE SET BACK CURRENTLY OF TEN FEET FROM PROPERTY LINE 300FT PER TENANT PER PARCEL.

EXISTING HEIGHT IS 65FT. SPACING, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT.

MAXIMUM NUMBER IS ONE PER STREET FRONTAGE. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED.

THE AGAIN, ONE THING IS THAT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE DOES NOT ALLOW POLE SIGNS, AND ALSO THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY PYLON SIGNS.

AND THEY WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED ON FREEWAY FRONTAGE.

SO THE POLE SIGNS WILL BE ALLOWED ON THE FREEWAY FRONTAGE? NO. PYLON SIGNS WOULD BE ALLOWED. AND PYLON SIGNS ARE ESSENTIALLY TWO.

TWO YEAH, TWO SUPPORTS. YES. OKAY. BUT IN THIS CASE IT'S DEFINED THAT THEY HAVE TO BE ENCASED.

IT CAN'T JUST BE FREE POLES. SO WE'RE GETTING RID OF ANY I CALL IT A MONOPOLE IF IT'S JUST.

THAT'S CORRECT. YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. THE, SO THOSE ARE GOING TO BE BANNED.

IS THAT CORRECT? NEW ONES. NEW ONES. SO NO ONE CAN COME IN AND PUT IN A NEW MONOPOLE SIGN.

THAT'S CORRECT. IF THIS WERE TO BE ADOPTED AS IS.

OKAY. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. OKAY. I HAD I THOUGHT YOU NEEDED A DEFINITION FOR A MONOPOLE, BUT I GUESS YOU DON'T IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW IT.

THERE YOU GO. SO YEAH, JUST WHAT WOULD YOU, WHAT WOULD CHICK FIL A HAVE TO DO UNDER THE NEW ORDINANCE FOR THEIR SIGNAGE? I'M NOT, AND I APOLOGIZE, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH EVERY SIGN, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT CHICK FIL A HAS. A HUMONGOUS POLE SIGN.

OKAY, SO THEN THEY WOULD IF THEY'RE NON-CONFORMING RIGHT NOW, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO IF THEY TOOK IT DOWN OR THEY DID SOMETHING TO IT, THEY'D HAVE TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THIS ORDINANCE.

THEY COULD PUT UP TWO POLES AS LONG AS THEY GET TWO SUPPORTS.

YEAH, NO, I JUST. SURE. OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THE MARKETING THERE IS TO SEE IT WHILE YOU'RE UP ON THE FREEWAY.

SURE. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S COOL. OKAY. GOT TO GET OUT MORE WES.

GUESS SO. ALRIGHT, SO WALL SIGNS, NOT A BIG CHANGE HERE.

THE ONE THING THAT WE. AND AS I STARTED OFF, THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS.

SO I DO FEEL LIKE THERE'S A CHANGE THAT I WANT TO MAKE HERE AS I WAS PUTTING THIS INFORMATION TOGETHER.

CURRENTLY THE EXISTING ORDINANCE IS WALL SIGNS ARE TWO SQUARE FEET PER FRONT STOREFRONT WIDTH, CAN'T EXTEND ABOVE THE ROOF. THE EXISTING ORDINANCE ALSO PROVIDES A PROVISION FOR SECONDARY WALL SIGNS.

SO IF YOU'VE GOT A BUILDING THAT HAS A CORNER THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM, IT'S ON THE CORNER AND YOU CAN SEE FROM TWO DIFFERENT STREETS.

THE CURRENT SIGN ORDINANCE REQUIRES YOU TO PICK A PRIMARY FACADE AND THEN A SECONDARY FACADE, AND THE SECONDARY FACADE GETS A 50% OF WHATEVER THE PRIMARY FACADE GOT.

SO IF YOU GOT 100FT² ON THE PRIMARY FACADE, YOU'D GET 50FT² ON THE SECONDARY FACADE.

THE NEW SIGN ORDINANCE DOES NOT GIVE THAT PROVISION.

AND I THINK THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE WANT TO ADD BACK INTO IT.

BUT IT DOES. THE BIG CHANGE IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE STATES THAT IT'S EITHER 40FT² OR 2FT² PER STOREFRONT WIDTH, WHICHEVER IS GREATER. SO QUESTIONS, CONCERNS.

YEAH, I THINK IF I HAD A STORE THAT HAD GLASS WINDOWS AND MAYBE EVEN ENTRANCES ON TWO SIDES AND AN INTERSECTION, I'D WANT THE SAME SIGNS TO BE THE SAME SIGN ON BOTH SIDES.

YOU WANT THEM TO BE THE SAME SIZE, I THINK. SO THAT'S NOT THE WAY THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, BUT I CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. I COULD SEE FOR SYMMETRY AND FOR SIGNAGE, IF YOU'VE GOT, PARTICULARLY IF IT'S GOT TWO DOORS. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S NOT THAT MANY CORNER BUSINESSES,

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I THINK WE'RE GOING TO THORNE SHOP AT BEDFORD AT HARWOOD.

RIGHT. BUT THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY GLASS ON THE SIDE.

NO, AND I'M THINKING ABOUT LIKE THE NEW, THE MAVIS TIRE PLACE OVER THERE ON HARWOOD.

YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT A SIGN ABOVE THE BAYS OR IT'S GOT A SIGN ALONG HARWOOD.

BUT THEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST. THAT WOULD BE, SO IF YOU'VE.

THEY HAVE A PRIMARY. THEIR PRIMARY IS WHAT FACES HARWOOD.

AND THEN THEY'VE GOT TWO SECONDARIES SO THEY CAN.

WHAT THEY WERE GIVEN, JUST BECAUSE I REMEMBER I HAD TO REVIEW THAT ONE, WHAT THEY WERE GIVEN IS THEY AND I'M JUST GOING TO USE ROUND NUMBERS.

THEIR PRIMARY WAS 100FT² ON THE SIDE THAT FACED HARWOOD.

AND THEN THEY COULD HAVE 50FT² ON EITHER SIDE THAT YOU COULD SEE FROM HARWOOD.

OH. SO THAT'S HOW THAT THAT'S HOW THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN.

BUT WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY IS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE, IF YOU'RE ON A CORNER, AND THAT'S NOT AT A CORNER, BUT IF YOU'RE AT A CORNER OF TWO INTERSECTING STREETS, YOU WANT ESSENTIALLY TWO PRIMARY WALLS.

IS THAT WHAT, TWO PRIMARIES? AND THAT'S FINE.

YOU KNOW, THEY GOT THE WALL THAT FACES HARWOOD.

BUT THEN THERE'S THE WESTWARD FACING WALL, WHICH YOU'RE DRIVING UP. BUT THAT'S NOT AT A CORNER STREET.

SO YEAH. THAT'S A SECONDARY WALL IN THAT CASE.

RIGHT, OKAY. I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

DO WE WANT TO PUT AN OVERALL CAP ON IT LIKE A NOT TO EXCEED? BECAUSE THEN WHICHEVER IS GREATER, THEIR STOREFRONT IS VERY LARGE POTENTIAL.

BOTH OF THOSE SIGNS COULD BE RATHER BIG. SO THIS IS THE MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE.

LIKE THE OLD TIMES, 40FT² IS THE LIMIT ON THIS.

THAT WOULD BE ITS. MINIMUM OF TWO TIMES THE LINEAR FOOTAGE.

WHICHEVER IS BIGGER. YEAH. WHICHEVER IS GREATER, RIGHT? WHICH TO ME DOESN'T THEN HAVE A CAP. IT, NO. THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN THERE IS NOT A CAP.

AND SO IF YOU'RE ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE WANTING TO GIVE SECONDARY WALL SIGN OR SECONDARY WALL SIGNAGE OPPORTUNITY, THEN YEAH, I WOULD THINK YOU'D WANT TO LOOK AT SOME TYPE OF OVERALL CAP, BUT THAT'S A DECISION OF THE COMMISSION.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. SO LOOK AT A CAP AS WELL.

YES. OKAY. MY OPINION BUT I'M NOT A VOTING MEMBER TODAY.

THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION. NOW I NOTICED THERE'S NO CHANGEABLE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE READER BOARDS AT ALL ON THESE PARTICULAR SITES.

NOT ON WALL SIGNS. THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD. IT'S PRETTY STANDARD FROM WHAT I SAW IN OTHER CITIES.

NOW, IS THAT CHANGING WITH THE CHANGING OF SIGNAGE? IT MIGHT BE. SO IT MAY SHOW THAT ALL OF OUR PEER CITIES HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DATED ORDINANCE, I DON'T KNOW. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU ALL WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER? I THINK IT MAKES SENSE ON A WALL SIGN IN PARTICULAR.

BUT SOME PEOPLE I MEAN, THAT'S MY OPINION. WOULD AND THIS IS JUST FOR CONVERSATION PURPOSES.

WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THE 50% AREA OR WOULD YOU WANT SOMETHING, WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE WITH 100%? I'M JUST THROWING A CONVERSATION. 50% TO ME SEEMS REASONABLE.

ANY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A PREFERENCE COMMENT? OKAY.

SCROLLING IS NOT ALLOWED, RIGHT? SCROLLING IS ALLOWED.

BUT I THINK THE WAY THE CURRENT. FREQUENCY. YEAH, THERE'S LIKE A, IT'S LIKE AN EIGHT SECOND TURNOVER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

50% WHERE THEY COULD SCROLL, THAT WOULDN'T BE HORRIBLE.

OKAY, BUT YOU COULD PUT HOURS OF OPERATION, FOR INSTANCE, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN A SCROLLING SIGN.

OKAY, I'LL MAKE THAT CHANGE. JUST I'M JUST GOING TO PERSONAL OPINION IS, IN READING ALL THIS AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING US HAVE EVEN HAVE A LOOK AT THIS. NO. BUT THINKING ABOUT AS WE GO ALONG AND WE ARE REDOING SOME, YOU KNOW, OUR LITTLE SHOPPING CENTERS AND STRIP CENTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THIS HARKENS BACK TO LIKE THE FOOT SPA PEOPLE WHERE THE SIGN IS STILL ON THE BUILDING.

YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS AS WE REDO SHOPPING CENTERS AND AREAS AND NEW RETAIL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS PRETTY NICE. I MEAN, AND GET THE SIGNS DOWN AND THIS KIND OF THING IS [INAUDIBLE].

NO, I MEAN, I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK THE, I WILL SAY AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE REWRITE AND EVERYTHING. THIS IS, I WOULD CALL THIS A STRICTER SIGN ORDINANCE THAN WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.

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SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE STUCK TO THAT. BUT AGAIN, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK THAT MAY BE TOO FAR, THEN THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS CONVERSATION. HOW DOES THIS DO? DOES THIS HELP YOUR ENFORCEABILITY, THIS ORDINANCE? FOR, LIKE MAINTENANCE OF SIGNS? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I DON'T HAVE MUCH IN THE CURRENT SIGN ORDINANCE. THAT'S THE OTHER ADDED BENEFITS.

DOES THIS NEW ORDINANCE CHANGE THE PATH OF ESCALATION THAT YOU HAVE OR THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS, IF THERE'S A SIGN THAT'S NOT ADHERING TO THESE, OR IS IT STILL THE SAME? I'M SORRY. SAY IT AGAIN. IF THERE'S A SIGN THAT'S NOT. DOES IT CHANGE THE PATH OF ESCALATION FOR THE CODE ORDINANCE, IF YOU FIND A SIGN THAT'S NOT CONFORMING TO THESE.

IS THAT A DIFFERENT PROCESS THAN WHAT WE HAVE TODAY TO GO THROUGH, OR IS.

IT NOT NECESSARILY, IT'S ALL GOING TO TAKE US THROUGH THE NORMAL CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS, WHICH IS SO MANY NOTICES.

THEN WE GO TO MUNICIPAL COURT AND SO ON AND SO ON.

IT JUST GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE TEETH. THERE ARE WHAT NOW WHAT THIS ORDINANCE DOES DO THAT OUR CURRENT DOES NOT, WHICH IS A STANDARD PRACTICE. BUT IT REALLY LAYS OUT AND IT REALLY DEFINES LIKE ON THOSE BANDIT SIGNS YOU SEE OUT.

RIGHT NOW WE JUST CALL THOSE ILLEGAL SIGNS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED, SO WHAT'S THE MOVING COMPANY GOES OUT AND JUST PEPPERS THE CITY IN THE RIGHT OF WAY WITH SIGNAGE. USUALLY, AND THAT'S USUALLY WHAT THEY DO ON A SATURDAY IS THEY DRIVE THROUGH AND THEY PICK UP ALL THOSE SIGNS.

THIS GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE TEETH ON ENFORCEMENT OF THAT, BUT IT'S ALSO CLEAR THAT WE HAVE TO, WE CAN DESTROY THEM WITHOUT ANY TYPE OF NOTICE.

AND WE DON'T HAVE TO RIGHT NOW. WE HOLD ON TO THEM TO GIVE THEM AN OPTION.

BUT THIS GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE FREEDOM TO THROW THEM AWAY BECAUSE THEY'RE ILLEGAL IN THE FIRST PLACE. ON THAT SAME NOTE, IN OUR HOA, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT PUT MATTRESS SALES AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH BUY HOUSES SIGNS.

SO WE REGULARLY HAVE THE HOA JUST PULL THEM UP.

SO I ASSUME THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE. NO. I HATE TO TAKE WORK AWAY FROM THE CITY EMPLOYEES, BUT WE'RE HAPPY FOR YOU ALL TO DO THAT, SO. OKAY, SO RIGHT THERE AT FOREST RIDGE AND HARWOOD CROSSING THE BALL FIELDS, THAT NORTHWEST CORNER IS A VERY POPULAR POLITICAL SIGN LOCATION.

DOES THIS HELP THAT? THIS, POLITICAL SIGNS ARE GOVERNED STRICTLY BY THE STATE.

BUT IS THAT, HOW MUCH OF THAT CORNER IS CONSIDERED EASTMAN? THEY'RE ALL OUT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY. I MEAN, RIGHT OF WAY THERE. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE DOESN'T ALLOW POLITICAL SIGNS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO IF YOU SEE A POLITICAL SIGN, IT'S ODDS ARE IT'S NOT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. OR IF IT IS, CODE ENFORCEMENT WILL REMOVE IT IF IT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. OKAY.

SO IN THAT SECTION IS NOT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

OH, THAT CORNER THERE. RIGHT. OKAY. SO THE RIGHT OF WAY STOPS IS DOESN'T EVEN GO TO THE FENCE.

NO. OH, WOW. OKAY. THERE'S VERY LITTLE RIGHT OF WAY THERE.

OH, WOW. OKAY. YES. I, JUST YEAH. IT'S A TESTED SPOT.

IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE THERE. SO. ALRIGHT. IF THEY HANG THEM ON THE FENCE, THEN YOU CAN TAKE THEM OUT.

THAT WOULD BE ILLEGAL. LET'S NOT GIVE ANYBODY ANY IDEAS.

THE. SO, BANNERS. BANNERS ARE ALWAYS POPULAR.

THIS IS WHERE I FEEL LIKE WE MAY HAVE. I THINK WE'VE HELPED.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW BANNERS ARE PRETTY STRICT. IT'S 60 DAYS, TEN DAYS IN BETWEEN 50FT².

ONE THING THAT WE GO BACK AND FORTH ON, ALSO SAYS IT HAS TO BE ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING.

PROPOSED REGULATIONS KEPT THE ATTACHED TO THE FRONT OR SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

WE LIMITED THEM TO SIZE JUST A LITTLE BIT. I DON'T, I MEAN, TWO SQUARE FEET IS NOT ENOUGH TO REALLY MENTION.

SO WE CAN PUSH THAT BACK UP TO 50 IF WE WANT TO.

WE'VE ALLOWED FOR PERMITS FOR PER YEAR FOR BUSINESS, 30 DAYS FOR EACH PERMIT, 45 DAYS BETWEEN EACH PERMIT.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE CONSTANT BANNERS THERE ALL THE TIME.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ALL THINK OF THAT. YAY. NAY.

IS THERE AN EXEMPTION FOR, IF A NEW BUSINESS HAS A PERMIT REQUESTS FOR SIGNAGE AND THE NEW SIGNAGE IS NOT UP YET, THEY GET BANNERS IN BETWEEN, NO, PERIOD. NO, I WOULD CAUTION YOU TO BUILD IN SUCH AN EXEMPTION BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BECOME KIND OF A NIGHTMARE TO MANAGE. THE PERMIT, AND THEN THEY DON'T FUND THE SIGN.

RIGHT. NO, I UNDERSTAND IT. I KNOW EXACTLY WHICH ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WHERE WE WENT THROUGH A PERIOD AND WE STILL DEAL WITH IT ON CODE ENFORCEMENT AND, AND KEEP IN MIND CODE ENFORCEMENT, WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN WHAT WE ENFORCE AND WHAT WE DON'T.

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IT TOOK THEM, HE GOT A SIGNED PERMIT. THE MANUFACTURER WAS JUST TAKING THEIR TIME FOR WHATEVER REASON.

AND WE WORKED WITH THAT OWNER TO ALLOW HIM TO KEEP HIS BANNER UP.

BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE, WE JUST DO THAT ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.

WE HAD.

IT WAS A DELAY. WHATEVER. STAFF CAN HANDLE THAT.

BUT THESE KIND OF BANNERS, YOU'D WANT TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT ONE ON. OH. DID YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT FEATHER FLAGS? SO RIGHT NOW, FEATHER FLAGS ARE ONLY ALLOWED DURING GRAND OPENING.

WE DON'T REALLY DEFINE HOW LONG A GRAND OPENING CAN BE.

SO WE'RE KIND OF PUTTING A LITTLE BIT MORE TEETH ON THIS ONE.

THEY CAN BE ALONG THE STREET, JUST NOT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. THEY CAN BE UP TO.

WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE MAX HEIGHT. WE'RE SAYING YOU CAN PUT THREE ON A PROPERTY.

AND YOU CAN HAVE TWO PERMITS PER YEAR PER BUSINESS, TEN DAYS FOR EACH PERMIT, 60 DAYS BETWEEN THOSE PERMITS.

QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? AWESOME. LAST THING WAS THAT SPECIAL SIGN DISTRICT, WHICH I ALREADY TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT.

AGAIN, THIS IS, YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU KIND OF CREATE YOUR OWN ZONING DISTRICT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS. IT GIVES. AND ACTUALLY JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE PREVIEW IF THIS GETS APPROVED AND THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, WE'RE ALREADY TALKING TO THE DEVELOPER OF GATEWAY VILLAGE, WHICH HAS SPROUTS AND ALL THEM, THEY WILL PROBABLY BE YOUR FIRST SPECIAL SIGN DISTRICT.

SO IT'S HOPEFULLY THAT'LL BE OUR FIRST CASE STUDY.

OKAY. I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THAT IS ALL I HAVE.

ANY QUESTIONS? ANY COMMENTS? I WILL PROBABLY I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL HAVE A, ALL THE REVISIONS DONE BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING, BUT I'LL DO MY BEST. WHEN MIGHT THAT MEETING BE? WELL, THANK YOU FOR ASKING. SO I AM NOT GOING TO BE IN TOWN FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.

SO BY LUCK OF THE DRAW, Y'ALL GET THE NIGHT OFF AS WELL.

SO APRIL 12TH, WE WILL NOT HAVE A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.

AND SO OUR NEXT MEETING WOULD BE APRIL THE. I'M SORRY, APRIL 9TH, YOU WILL NOT HAVE YOUR NEXT MEETING. APRIL 23RD, YOU WILL HAVE A MEETING.

I ALREADY HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT ARE SET FOR THAT AGENDA.

SO APRIL 23RD WOULD BE YOUR NEXT MEETING. ALSO WITH THAT, SINCE I'M STANDING HERE AND MAKING JUST RANDOM ANNOUNCEMENTS I AM STARTING TOMORROW, I WILL BE OUT OF THE OFFICE.

SO, AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE ARE A TAD BIT SHORT STAFFED IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW, SO HOPEFULLY YOU DON'T NEED ANY PLANNING EMERGENCIES OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.

AND WE WILL, BUT IF YOU DO FEEL FREE, YOU CAN REACH OUT.

MY EMAIL WILL BE GOING TO THE GENERAL ZONING EMAIL.

SO SOMEBODY WILL RESPOND TO YOU. IF YOU HAVE A PLANNING EMERGENCY OF SOME SORT.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE CITIZENS CALL US WHILE YOU'RE GONE. I DON'T THINK I WOULD DO THAT TO YOU OR TO THEM.

THAT'S. WES, I STILL GOT A I GOT A COUPLE NITPICKY COMMENTS.

OKAY. GO AHEAD. WE JUMPED AHEAD. I'M SORRY. ON YOUR FIRST PAGE IN THERE, YOU'VE GOT THAT YOU'LL ENSURE THE RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH IS PRESERVED.

I'VE GOT AN OBJECTION WITH THE WORD ENSURE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN ENSURE THAT IT IS.

I THINK YOU OUGHT TO JUST REWORD IT. MAYBE JUST, YOU KNOW, IN SOME FASHION THAT SAY THAT THE RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH WILL BE PRESERVED OR SOMETHING. THE OTHER THING IS, LET'S SEE.

OH, WHAT IS THE CITY'S OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER? IT'S FORT WORTH STAR-TELEGRAM.

OKAY, WHY DON'T WE JUST SAY THE FORT WORTH STAR-TELEGRAM? BECAUSE THAT COULD CHANGE, AND I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE IT. OKAY. I WAS UNAWARE THAT THAT'S THE OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER.

OKAY. SO YOU HAVEN'T BEEN GETTING ALL OF OUR PUBLIC NOTICES IN THE NEWSPAPER. OH, WELL I'M SHOCKED.

YEAH, I KNOW. FOR NONCOMPLIANCE, YOU GIVE THEM TEN DAYS TO TEAR IT DOWN OR TEN DAYS TO TAKE ACTION ON SOMETHING IN THERE. BUT IF THEY'VE ABANDONED THE BUSINESS, THEY GET 30 DAYS BEFORE THEY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.

IF THEY'VE BEEN OUT OF BUSINESS FOR OVER 30 DAYS, SO IS IT, THAT'S.

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LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE OUGHT TO JUST LET IT GO AND LET IT BE TEN DAYS AND LET'S SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.

I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY QUICK. WHEN IN THE NEXT SENTENCE, YOU WERE ALLOWING FOR MORE THAN 30 DAYS AND THINGS TO COME, AND YOU'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED THE MONOPOLES, AND IT LOOKS LIKE ANY NEW SIGN IS GOING TO GET SOME GREEN STUFF AROUND THE BOTTOM, WHICH WE HADN'T HAD BEFORE. AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL I'VE GOT.

YOU'VE COVERED EVERYTHING ELSE. YOU REMOVED THE BEDFORD BLUE LIGHTS? I, NO, I, NO. ON THE SIGN. CHRISTMAS LIGHTS IN BLUE THAT WERE AROUND THE BEDFORD SIGNS AT THE. OH, DID PARKS REMOVE THOSE? YOU'LL HAVE TO THINK MARK LONG FOR THAT.

OH, WHAT DID HE DO THAT FOR? THAT'S NEWS TO ME, I GUESS.

I HAVEN'T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION. OKAY. EVERY DAY.

THEY'RE UNDER REDESIGN. THAT MAY BE IT. I DON'T HAVE A CLUE.

SO. I THOUGHT THE CHRISTMAS SIGNS ALONG COMING UP TO HERE ON 4TH STREET.

I MEAN, YEAH, WE'RE PRETTY NEAT. THEY OUGHT TO BE EXPANDED.

THOSE WERE NICE. AND A LOT MORE PUT UP LIKE THAT.

THAT'S VERY NICE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. MISS BARLOW, I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS ON PAGE R5 OF 21 TALKS ABOUT A SPECIAL EVENT SIGN.

OH, THIS IS WHERE MY PAGE NUMBERS ARE DIFFERENT, I APOLOGIZE.

WHAT SECTION ARE YOU IN? DO YOU KNOW? IT'S JUST THE DEFINITION. OH, OKAY.

YES. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S GUARDED IN HERE, BUT SINCE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LIKE THE HEB, YOU KNOW, ONE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WE HAVE THE HEB CHAMBER.

I DON'T KNOW, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE CODE SOMETIMES THESE PEOPLE SOMETIMES SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT LENIENT ON IT JUST BECAUSE WE THREE CITIES ARE SO CLOSE UPON CERTAIN THINGS.

I WAS JUST SAYING THAT ANNOUNCING ONE SPECIAL EVENT THAT THAT MAY BE IN THE REGULATION SOMEWHERE.

I HADN'T FOUND. SO THAT REFERENCES THE SPECIAL EVENT ORDINANCE, WHICH TALKS ABOUT WHAT SIGNAGE YOU CAN PUT OUT FOR SPECIAL EVENT ORDINANCES. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE WE RECOGNIZE, SCHOOL DISTRICT DOES CRAFT FAIRS AND, YOU KNOW, HALLOWEEN COMES AND THEY HAVE THEIR FESTIVALS, THINGS LIKE THAT. THOSE ARE COVERED UNDER YOUR NONPROFIT CIVIC SIGNS.

ON PAGE 1121, WHEN WE WERE TALKING, IT'S SECTIONS 6-73.

YES. I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT POINT D TALKS ABOUT DISTANCE BETWEEN SIGNS, BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT ILLUSTRATED. THERE IS NOT AN ILLUSTRATION THERE, BUT IT'S SET IN THE DEFINITION, SO. AND THEN I WOULD JUST FOR ME IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL ON WHEN WE GO TO SECTION 6-78.

THE SPECIFIC SIGN CRITERIA. IF YOU EVER COULD PUT A PICTURE THERE MAYBE OF AN EXAMPLE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S OKAY OR NOT. I CAN LOOK AT IT AND SEE.

A COUPLE OF TYPOS, BUT NOTHING. I'M NOT ABOVE A TYPO.

ON PAGE, UNDER AWNING SIGN. FOR SOME REASON THERE'S AN EXTRA IS GOT AT THE END.

YEP. OKAY. ON PAGE WHERE IT SAYS SECTION 6-79, MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES BANNING THE [INAUDIBLE] AND BANNER SIGNS.

ARE YOU AN INTROVERT? OH, YOU'RE DOING GREAT.

SORRY. APOLOGIZE TO HER TONIGHT. WE DO THIS ALL THE TIME.

DO IT ALL THE TIME. ALL THIS LITTLE MINUTIA STUFF.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. THAT'S WHY THEY BRING IT TO YOU.

SHE'S AN ATTORNEY. THAT'S WHAT SHE DOES. I KNOW, BUT, YOU KNOW.

ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. EASY ENOUGH. ONCE AGAIN, SERIOUSLY, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO US.

NO, IT'S OBVIOUSLY, THERE WAS A LOT OF INTEREST AMONGST THE COMMISSION TO LOOK AT. I KNEW THERE WOULD BE. OH, THE OTHER CITY STARTING TO RELOOK AT THEIR SIGN ORDINANCE BECAUSE SOME I KNOW ARE OLDER, SOME ARE OLDER.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT IT OR NOT.

I HAVEN'T REACHED OUT AND ASKED. SO THAT WAS A TREND GOING ON.

NO, IT'S, THIS IS JUST PART OF, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IT WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS IN OUR COMP PLAN THAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT.

SO WE'RE JUST CHECKING OFF A BOX AND MOVING DOWN THE PROCESS.

IT'S ALL A PART OF MAKING THE CITY LOOK BETTER.

ABSOLUTELY. EVERYTHING THAT I MEAN, YOU COULD GO ON AND ON.

I MEAN, THINGS OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. HOW WILL COUNCIL TAKE THIS?

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OKAY, LOOK AT IT AGAIN. YOU WILL GET TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN.

YES. IS IT APPROPRIATE OR EVENLY OR WORKABLE TO WEAR? LIKE WE HAVE HIGHWAY CORRIDORS, LIKE WHEN WE START TO MAKE LIKE, LET'S SAY HARWOOD AND BROWN TRAIL, YOU KNOW, AND, AND MAYBE BEDFORD ROAD. YOU KNOW, WE IDENTIFY HIGHWAY CORRIDORS INTO TOWN.

CAN YOU HAVE SEPARATE SIGN REGULATIONS? YOU CAN, BUT PLEASE DON'T DO THAT TO ME.

OKAY. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. YEAH, I MEAN, YOU CAN.

AND I AND IN SOME CITIES THAT I'VE BEEN IN, THAT IS THAT IS THE PROCESS.

IT BECOMES VERY CUMBERSOME THOUGH. I MEAN, UP DAVIS ROAD, THERE'S SEVERAL CITIES AROUND AND CERTAIN STREETS, YOU KNOW, THE MONUMENT SIGNAGE IS PRETTY CONSISTENT, BUT YOU GET OFF OF THOSE TWO MAJOR ROADS.

IT'S NOT. AND IT COULD BE DONE. THEY COULD BE REGULATED BY THEIR ZONING DISTRICT.

THEY COULD BE I MEAN, IT COULD BE ALL KINDS OF THINGS. I, AND WE JUST.

SO YOU KNOW, AND I THINK I PUT THIS IN YOUR BACKUP BEFORE TONIGHT, THE SIGN ORDINANCE IS NOT IN THE ZONING DISTRICT.

SO AND STRATEGICALLY THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT.

SO JUST BECAUSE I THINK IT'S EASIER TO KEEP THEM SEPARATE.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF CITIES DON'T DO THAT.

A LOT OF CITIES DO PUT THEIR SIGN ORDINANCE IN THEIR ZONING DISTRICT.

AND ALSO KEEP IN MIND, IN CASE IT EVER COMES UP, THERE ARE, IF SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY CAN CHOOSE TO PUT SIGN REGULATIONS IN THEIR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S DIFFERENT OPTIONS THERE, BUT OURS IS KEPT SEPARATE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT GUYS. LADIES? I MOVE WE ADJOURN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 6:51.

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* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.