Mar 26, 2026 Planning &amp; Zoning Commission

BUSINESS TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF PLANNING ZONING, COMMISSION FOR OUR MEETING ON FEBRUARY 26TH.

ANY FATHER, THANK YOU FOR THE BLESSINGS THAT YOU'VE BESTOWED UPON US AS CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF BEDFORD AND ALL THOSE AROUND US.

AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE OUR CITY AS COMMISSIONERS.

HELP US WITH SOUND JUDGMENT AND THINKING OF OTHER FOLKS AS WE DELIBERATE TONIGHT'S RESPONSIBILITIES.

IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN.

AMEN.

PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE LIBERTY, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

SO WE HAVE ONE COMMISSIONER MISSING THIS EVENING, UM, GENTLEMEN, WHOSE TURN IS IT TO VOTE TONIGHT, WHO VOTED LAST.

YOU'LL BE A VOTING MEMBER THIS EVENING IN, IN, UH, MS. CRAWFORD'S, UH, ABSENCE FIRST ORDER

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

WES, DID YOU HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS? OKAY.

ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FROM MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 26TH, 2026 FOR THE CITY OF BEDFORD.

I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

AND WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 26TH.

SO IT'S BEEN A MONTH SINCE WE WERE HERE LAST.

CONSIDERATION IS TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A FINAL PLAT OF BROWN TRAIL ESTATE'S EDITION BLOCK A LOTS ONE AND TWO BEING 0.76 ACRES IN ALEXANDER ALLEN.

[2. Consider approval of a Final Plat of Brown Trail Estates Addition Block A Lots 1 & 2 being 0.476 acres in the Alexander Allen Survey, Abstract No. 11, located on the east side of Brown Trail, north of the Spring Garden and Brown Trail intersection. (PLAT-25-5) ]

FOUR HMM.

POINT FOUR 0.476.

AGAIN, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

AND THE ALEXANDER ALLEN SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 11, LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF BROWN TRAIL, NORTH OF THE SPRING, GARDEN AND BROWN TRAIL INTERSECTION.

THIS IS CASE PLAT 25 DASH FIVE.

MR. WEST.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

COMMISSION MEMBERS, THIS IS A FINAL PLAT.

UH, IF YOU RECALL BACK IN, UM, LATE 2024, I BELIEVE THE, UH, COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A REZONING ON THIS PROPERTY FROM R 15 TO R 9,000.

UM, SO THE APPLICANT IS GOING INTO BACKGROUND.

THE APPLICANT IS COMING IN NOW WITH A PLAT, UH, TO SUBDIVIDE THE LOT INTO TWO LOTS.

UM, BOTH BEING A LITTLE OVER 10,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.

SO THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH ZONING.

UM, ONE, UH, ALL ACCESS TO THE LOTS ARE GONNA BE OFF OF BROWN TRAIL AND, UH, WATERS EXISTING AND SEWER WILL HAVE TO BE EXTENDED BY THE PROPERTY OR BEFORE BUILDING PERMITS ARE ISSUED ON THE PROPERTY.

AND I'M GONNA BACK AWAY FROM THAT.

UM, WE'VE GOT THE PLAT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.

TWO, UH, TWO LOTS THERE THAT YOU SEE.

UH, THE ONE UNIQUE THING ABOUT THIS PROPERTY IS ON LOT NUMBER ONE, THERE IS THAT, UM, EMERGENCY SIREN THAT IS EXISTING AND THAT'S GONNA STAY.

IF YOU RECALL DURING THE REZONING THAT WAS DISCUSSED, THAT ACCESS EASEMENT IS, IS AN EASEMENT THAT IS ALREADY RECORDED TO THE COUNTY.

WE JUST PUT THE DOCUMENTATION ON THE PLAT.

SO NO CHANGE THERE.

UM, AND SO THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO, WHOEVER BUYS THAT LAW WILL HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT AS IT STATES IN THE EASEMENT DOCUMENTS.

I THINK EVERYBODY'S FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.

BUT, UM, UH, THOSE ARE PICTURES OF THE SITE AND THE SURROUNDING AREA.

AND THEN, UH, PLAT DOES COMPLY WITH, UH, ALL OF OUR ORDINANCES AND, UH, IN COMPLIANCE WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODES.

THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

I CAN'T ANSWER ANY QUESTION, JEFF.

I'VE GOT A, A SHORT ONE, UH, ABOUT THE EASEMENT WITH THAT.

IF THE CITY DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE THE SIREN SOMEPLACE ELSE,

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HOW DOES THE EASEMENT GET MITIGATED? THEY WOULD JUST, UH, IT WOULD BE AN, UH, I'M LOSING MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT RIGHT NOW.

IT ESSENTIALLY BE A, UM, ABANDONMENT.

UH, I KNEW THERE WAS A WORD I WAS LOOKING FOR AN ABANDONMENT OF THE, OF THAT EASEMENT.

AND IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE A REPLAY.

IT COULD BE DONE BY SEPARATE INSTRUMENT.

JUST CURIOUS, WES, WILL THERE BE ONE DRIVE AND THEN IT SPLITS OR THEY EACH GONNA HAVE THEIR OWN? OR IT COULD BE ONE DRIVE, BUT I ANTICIPATE IT BEING TWO DRIVES.

TWO DRIVES.

I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE PLAT APPLICATION 25 DASH 2025.

I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OKAY.

PLAT CASE 25 DASH FIVE HAS BEEN APPROVED.

THANK YOU, SIR.

SO THOSE LOTS HADN'T ACTUALLY BEEN, BEEN SOLD YET.

THEY'RE STILL, I DO NOT BELIEVE THEY HAVE BEEN.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SIGNS OUT ON THEM.

MM-HMM.

AND WES USED THE OLD PICTURES.

I DID.

IS THAT ORANGE HOLE STILL THERE? THAT'S, I DON'T THINK THE ORANGE HOLE IS STILL THERE.

I, I KNOW.

IS, UH, UNDER A WORKSHOP ITEM TO TALK ABOUT THE SIGN ON PROPOSED SIGN ORDINANCE AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.

OUR NEXT ITEM

[3. Discuss and provide staff direction regarding proposed revisions to the Sign Ordinance Chapter, 6 Article III of the Code of Ordinances. ]

THIS IS NOT AN ACTION ITEM, IT IS A DISCUSSION ITEM WITH STAFF.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

THIS, I'M GOING TO BE AS DETAILED AS I, IF YOU WANT ME TO BE, BUT I'LL, I'LL KEEP IT VERY HIGH LEVEL.

AND WE'VE GOT A LITTLE FLY FLYING AROUND, SO A WASP.

SO, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.

THE BULK OF THE EXISTING SIDE ORDINANCE HAS NOT, OR WAS ADOPTED LAST IN 2012.

UM, THERE'S BEEN A FEW MINOR AMENDMENTS SINCE THEN, BUT NOTHING BIG.

SO THIS IS, THIS IS GONNA BE A COMPLETE OVERWRITE OR REWRITE OF THE EXISTING SIGN ORDINANCE.

UM, GOAL OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE IS REALLY TO, WE, WE WANNA PROVIDE BUSINESSES THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADVERTISE THEIR, THEIR BUSINESS.

HOWEVER, WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, ENVIRONMENT SAFETY AND, UH, JUST THE OVERALL APPEARANCE OF THE CITY IS MAINTAINED WHILE DOING THAT.

SO THOSE ARE THE GOALS.

I'M GONNA REAL KIND OF SUMMARIZE THE BIGGER CHANGES I THINK THAT ARE, THAT ARE IMPORTANT.

UM, FIRST AND FOREMOST, OUR CURRENT SIGN ORDINANCE IS REALLY WEAK.

WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT MAINTENANCE OF EXISTING SIGNS OR REMOVAL OF OLD SIGNS.

YOU MAY DRIVE THROUGH TOWN.

YOU MAY SEE A, A BUSINESS THAT HAS BEEN GONE FOR QUITE SOME TIME, BUT THE SIGN IS STILL THERE.

THERE'S A LOT OF SIGN ORDINANCES AROUND US THAT REQUIRE THAT SIGN TO COME DOWN WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.

OUR ORDINANCE DOESN'T.

SO THAT CHANGES, THAT'S A CHANGE IN THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE.

UM, THERE'S ANOTHER PROVISION IN OUR EXISTING ORDINANCE THAT, UM, IT PROVIDES IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE BUILDING A SETBACK SO FAR, AND IT'S A KINDA A SLIDING SCALE ON THE EXISTING ORDINANCE, BUT IF IT'S SET BACK SO FAR FROM THE ROAD, YOU GET TO CREATE A BIGGER AND BIGGER SIGN.

UM, AND IT ALWAYS DOESN'T, IT KIND OF BACKFIRES A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT, IN SOME CASES, CAN MAKE A REALLY BIG SIGN WHEN YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED A BIG SIGN ON IN A SHOPPING CENTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO SCALE THAT BACK A LITTLE BIT.

ANOTHER BIG CHANGE IS RIGHT NOW OUR, UM, ORDINANCE ALLOWS POLE OR PYLON SIGNS ON NON-FREE ROADWAYS.

UM, THIS WOULD PROHIBIT THAT.

SO, UH, THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGER CHANGES THAT YOU MAY SEE OUT OF THIS.

UM, THIS WOULD MEAN THAT ANY NEW SIGNS THAT ARE NOT ON, THAT ARE ON PROPERTY, THAT ARE NOT HAVE FRONTAGE ON THE FREEWAY.

UM, AIRPORT, FREEWAY OR 1 21 WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO DO A POLE OR PYLON SIGN.

UM, ACTUALLY THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE DOESN'T EVEN ADDRESS PI POLE SIGNS.

THEY'RE JUST NOT ALLOWED.

PYLON SIGNS WOULD BE THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED GOING FORWARD.

UM, IT REALLY ENCOURAGES THE MULTI-TENANT SIGNAGE.

SO YOU'LL SEE IN HERE WE'VE TRIED TO, UM, INCENTIVIZE AND WE'VE IN SOME CASES RESTRICT, WE'VE PUT SITE DIS OR, UH, DISTANCES BETWEEN OTHER SIGNS, UM, IN A WAY TO TRY TO PUSH PEOPLE TO WORK TOGETHER AND, AND TO CO-LOCATE SIGNS.

UM, AND THEN THE LAST THING IT DOES IS IT CREATES A PROCESS FOR ESTABLISHING A SPECIAL SIGN PROGRAM OR A SPECIAL SIGN DISTRICT.

UM, I WOULD EQUATE THAT PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE IT, ESPECIALLY FOR Y'ALL, IS WE, WE DO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS, WHICH WE CALL A CREATE YOUR OWN ZONING DISTRICT.

THIS IS KIND OF CREATE YOUR OWN SIGN DISTRICT.

UM, IDEALLY IT'S FOR LARGER DEVELOPMENTS.

USE THE EXAMPLE OF GATEWAY

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VILLAGE, WHERE YOU'VE GOT A SPROUTS, YOU'VE GOT CHIPOTLE, YOU'VE GOT, UM, NOTHING BUNK CAKES AND OTHER RETAIL PLACES.

THEY ALL COME TOGETHER.

'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S ALL UNDER ONE OWNERSHIP.

THAT OWNERSHIP COMES TOGETHER AND SAYS, THIS IS THE SIGNED PACKAGE THAT I WANT FOR THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COHESIVE GOAL IS IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT MORE ATTRACTIVE AND EVERYTHING MATCHES.

UM, SO IT GIVES THAT, UH, IT GIVES THE OWNER SOME, AN OPPORTUNITY TO PETITION P AND Z AND THEN ULTIMATELY COUNSEL ON CREATING THAT SPECIAL SIGNED DISTRICT.

WES, I'M ASSUMING, AND SOME OF THESE TODAY EXIST, THOSE PEOPLE ARE GRANDFATHERED AND THEY ARE GRANDFATHERED UNTIL A NEW BUSINESS.

OR ARE THEY GRANDFATHERED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME? IN OTHER WORDS, THREE YEARS.

THEY, THERE'S NOT A TIMEFRAME ON GRANDFATHERING.

AND I'M GONNA GET OFF SOMETHING HERE.

SO IF I SAY SOMETHING WRONG, PLEASE CORRECT ME.

UM, THERE'S NOT A TIMEFRAME ON GRANDFATHERING AS FAR AS THIS SIGN ORDINANCE IS CONSIDERED.

IT WOULD BE IF THE SIGN IS REMOVED, OR LIKE FOR INSTANCE, IF IT'S, IF THERE'S A POLE SIGN THERE NOW AND THEY'RE ON CENTRAL DRIVE AND THEY REMOVE THE PULSE ON AND THEY'VE LOST THEIR GRANDFATHERING.

THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK WITH ONLY A MONUMENT SIGN OR A WALL SIGN AT THAT POINT.

OR IF IT WAS MORE THAN DETERIORATED, AS YOU MENTIONED, OR MORE THAN 50% DAMAGED.

YOU WANT TO YES, THANK YOU.

OR IF THEY WANTED TO COME IN AND AMEND THEIR SIGN, IF THEY WANTED TO CHANGE ANYTHING ON IT, THAT'S GONNA MAKE IT SUBJECT TO THE NEW SIGN ORDINANCE IF THEY TOUCH IT.

'CAUSE IT'S A NON-CONFORMING OLD USE THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY ILLEGAL, BUT DOESN'T FIT THE NEW PARAMETERS.

THAT WHOLE PARAGRAPH, IT TALKS ABOUT EXISTING NON-CONFORMING PRIOR TO THIS CONTINUE TO BE NON-CONFORMING, THE ILLEGAL.

BUT THIS APPLIES IF THEY TOUCH IT, BASICALLY.

I'M SPEAKING VERY HYPOTHETICALS.

NOT IT'S LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING UNLESS OR UNTIL IT IS REMOVED, ALTERED OR CHANGED.

GOT IT.

SO IF THERE'S A CHANGEOVER IN THE TENANT AND THEY'RE WANTING TO UPDATE THE SIGNAGE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO THEN THEY COULDN'T USE THE CURRENT POLE THAT WOULD ALREADY BE INSTALLED, THEY WOULD'VE TO ADHERE.

CORRECT.

AND JUST SO I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, YOU'RE SAYING THAT LEGALLY WE CAN'T REQUIRE, SAY, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW THAT SIGN TO BE REMOVED TO APPLY TO THE NEW POLICY.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD CALL AMORTIZATION.

IS THAT CORRECT? UM, AND, UH, THAT'S A BIG WORD FOR ME.

SO, UM, BUT, UH, BUT NO, AND THAT REQUIRES ESSENTIALLY, AGAIN, THE CITY KIND OF PUTTING MONEY UP TO YOUR, YOUR SIGN LIFE IS X NUMBER OF YEARS.

AND, AND IF YOU WANNA DO SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THAT, THEN THE CITY HAS TO COME IN AND PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF INCENTIVE OR, OR PAYMENT PROCESS.

CORRECT.

BUT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE PROCESS.

COOL.

I I, ON THAT SUBJECT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS.

SO THIS IS PROBABLY NOT THE FIRST TIME YOU'RE GONNA SEE THIS.

UM, BUT, UH, THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH ON THAT SUBJECT IN CASE, AS Y'ALL KNOW, THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE A BIG BUCKET OF MONEY OUT THERE FOR SIGNAGE.

BUT, UM, IF THERE ARE OTHER WAYS, CREATIVE WAYS OUT THERE THAT I'M GONNA SEE WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING TO SEE IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF DOING THAT.

I FIGURED ALL CITIES ARE GOING AWAY FROM POLE SIGNS YEAH.

FOR YEARS.

SURE.

THAT HONESTLY, AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT GOES BACK TO OURS WAS LAST UPDATED IN 2012.

I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED THAT EVEN IN 2012 WE ALLOWED POLE SIGNS.

BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.

IT GETS DESTROYED THOUGH.

SOMEONE HITS IT WITH A CAR.

NOT I'M SAYING THAT WE NEED TO GO DO THAT.

BUT I WOULDN'T ENCOURAGE, I WOULD NOT ENCOURAGE THAT.

NO.

START WITH THE SHELL SIGN AT BEDFORD FOREST RIDGE.

TAKE THAT.

LET'S, LET'S REFRAIN.

NO, LET'S NOT.

IF IT, SO IT WOULD SOMEHOW GET DESTROYED.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO.

BUT LET ME, WHAT I'LL DO IS JUST MAKE A NOTE AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE DO COVER THAT IN CASE WE HAVEN'T YEAH, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I SEE.

WES, A CATEGORY THAT I DIDN'T SEE THAT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART, UH, HOA INFORMATIONAL SIGNS, WOULD, WOULD THAT BE A CATEGORY THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO ADD? ARE YOU TALKING LIKE FOR A CIVIC OR NONPROFIT? WE, WE, RIGHT NOW, IN MY SUBDIVISION, I'VE JUST PUT OUT TWO WEEKS AGO, INFORMATIONAL SIGNS FOR DUES.

SINCE PEOPLE NEVER SEEM TO REMEMBER THAT IT'S TIME TO PAY DUES.

AND SOMETIMES THERE'S, THERE ARE THE NEED FOR ANNUAL MEETINGS.

SO TYPICALLY MOST HOAS HAVE THESE KIND OF SIGNS.

AND MY SUGGESTION MIGHT BE THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER CATEGORY THAT WOULD BE HOA INFORMATIONAL SIGNS.

'CAUSE I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THERE RELATED TO THAT.

UNLESS I MISSED, UNLESS THERE'S ANOTHER CATEGORY I DIDN'T LOOK FOR.

I WAS LOOKING UNDER THE, UH, SECTION SIX DASH 76.

I THOUGHT WE LISTED SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE EXEMPTIONS.

UM, WHERE IS IT THAT'S GONNA BE ON PAGE? UH, MY DOCUMENT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN Y'ALL'S, BUT LET ME, I DIDN'T SEE SOMETHING.

WOULDN'T THAT FALL UNDER LIKE A TEMPORARY SIGN? THERE ARE TEMPORARY SIGN REGULATIONS AND YES, IT WOULD, IT'S PAGE 12 OR 13.

WHAT IS THE ONE THAT WOULD BE,

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NO, THERE'S PLENTY OF HOAS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, ALL AROUND THE CITY THAT WOULD APPLY.

AND THAT MAKES SENSE.

ALSO, ARE THE HOAS WHO HAVE THE PERMANENT ONES LIKE OURS IS MOUNTED ON THE BACK OF A WALL.

BUT I KNOW, SO THOSE ARE SUBDIVISION WALL SIGNS AND THAT IS COVERED IN THIS DOCUMENT.

AND EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT ATTACHED TO A WALL, 'CAUSE I KNOW I, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DEFINITION, BUT ESSENTIALLY THERE ARE, THERE ARE PROVISIONS FOR SUBDIVISION WALL SIGNS.

'CAUSE WE USED TO HAVE 'EM JUST, THEY JUST USED TO BE STANDALONE AT THE ENTRANCE.

AND THERE ARE SOME LIKE THAT.

SO THAT'S, I, I CAN'T IMAGINE WE WOULD HAVE PUT THAT DIRECTLY.

THAT HAD TO BE ATTACHED TO A FENCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT, WE'LL, LET ME, ANOTHER QUESTION I'VE GOT WITH RESPECT TO THE MONUMENT SIGNS, UM, THERE'S THIS WHOLE PARAGRAPH, I DON'T HAVE THE PAGE ABOUT THE BOND REQUIREMENT FOR A MONUMENT SIGN.

IT'S PRETTY EXTENSIVE ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF BOND REQUIRED.

UH, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, SOME KIDS DEFACE ONE OF OUR SIGNS AND WE HAD TO HAVE A, A SIGN COMPANY COME IN AND REDO THE SIGN THE LETTERING.

WOULD THAT REQUIRE THAT TYPE OF, UH, A FEE AND, UH, THAT TYPE OF BOND REQUIREMENT? LET ME, LET ME, IF I CAN ADDRESS MS. BARLOW'S QUESTION REAL QUICK AND THEN I'LL JUMP OVER TO THAT.

BUT, UM, IF YOU LOOK UNDER THE, AND I APOLOGIZE, MY PAGE NUMBERS ARE GONNA BE DIFFERENT THAN Y'ALL'S, BUT IF YOU LOOK UNDER SUBDIVISION WALL SIGNS, IT'S GONNA BE LETTER J ON THE CHART TOWARD THE 15, PAGE 15.

UM, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT IT TALKS ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A SUBDIVISION WALL SIGN HAS TO BE A PART OF A, SOME TYPE OF SCREENING WALL, OR HAS TO BE IDENTIFIED ON THE SUBDIVISION PLAT THAT'S MAINTAINED BY THE HOA SO FUTURE THAT'S TALKING ABOUT OBVIOUSLY FUTURE SIGNS.

IF THERE'S SOMETHING EXISTING, AGAIN, IT WOULD BE NON-CONFORMING.

AND, AND SO IT WOULD BE HANDLED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.

NOW, MR. JACOBSON, BACK TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE BOND.

I JUST WANNA GO BACK TO THAT REAL QUICK.

THAT WAS ON THE APPLICATION PORTION, I BELIEVE.

INSURANCE AND BOND.

PAGE SEVEN FOR US, UM, THAT'S TALKING ABOUT, UH, THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT FOR CONTRACTOR LICENSING.

THAT WOULDN'T BE A REQUIREMENT FOR AN HOA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THE LANDSCAPE OF BERM, I'M SORRY MM-HMM .

I DO HAVE, AND WE CAN DO THIS HOWEVER Y'ALL WANNA DO THIS TONIGHT, BUT I DID KIND OF PROVIDE, I THOUGHT I'D GO THROUGH ON SOME OF THE BIG TALK BIGGER ITEMS, THINGS THAT WE SEE MORE OF.

I'D KIND OF GO THROUGH AND GIVE YOU A COMPARISON OF WHAT THE EXISTING SIGN ORDINANCE, UM, SAYS TODAY VERSUS WHAT THE PROPOSED REGULATIONS SAY.

IF YOU WANT ME TO DO THAT, OR IF YOU JUST WANNA PEPPER ME WITH QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT TOO.

WELL, THAT'S PROBABLY A GREAT IDEA TO JUMP TO THAT.

I HAVE A GENERAL ON TWO, THERE'S TWO PLACES IN HERE BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF THE SIGN, MULTI-TENANT SIGN AND THE SINGLE MONUMENT SIGN.

EIGHT FEET SEEMS A LITTLE TALL FOR A MONUMENT SIGN AS A MAXIMUM HEIGHT AS JUST 16 FEET SEEMS AWFULLY TALL FOR A MULTI-TENANT THING.

SO WHERE'S THE PARAMETER FOR THAT? FOR INSTANCE, YOU GO TO OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES WHERE EVEN THE MCDONALD'S SIGN IS, YOU KNOW, FIVE FEET OFF THE GROUND AND, YOU KNOW, YOU GO THROUGH CORRIDORS WHERE THEY'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE GROUND.

I MEAN, THEY'RE SHORT.

SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE SHORTER THAN EIGHT FEET.

BUT AM I JUST NOT THE ONES I STOOD NEXT TO? THAT'S STANDARD NEXT TO SEEMED, YOU KNOW, THAT WERE LIKE, THAT SEEMED, YOU KNOW, OR NOT THAT MUCH TALLER THAN ME.

SO YEAH, I WOULD SAY PRETTY STANDARD THING.

SEVEN, EIGHT FEET IS PRETTY STANDARD FOR A SINGLE TENANT MONUMENT SIGN.

UM, WE, WE DID LOOK AT OTHER CITIES AND SEE WHAT OUR, OUR PEER COMMUNITIES WERE, WERE REGULATING.

WE KIND OF MIMICKED THAT A LITTLE BIT OFF OF THESE.

SOME OF THESE WERE, UM, WE MAY HAVE TWEAKED THEM A LITTLE BIT, BUT OVERALL, SO YEAH, I WOULD SAY, UM, I MEAN, GIVEN THAT OUR EXISTING REGULATIONS ALLOW MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF A MONUMENT SIGN TO BE SEVEN FEET.

UM, AND SO I WOULD, AND THAT'S WHETHER YOU'RE MULTI-TENANT OR SINGLE TENANT.

SO, UM, THAT GIVES YOU ANY PERSPECTIVE THERE.

SO THE BIGGER PROPERTIES LIKE THIS ALLOWS THE, THE MULTIPLE TENANT SIGN TO BE A LITTLE BIT TALLER TO GIVE SOME, WELL AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE, WE WANNA ENCOURAGE MULTI-TENANT SIGNAGE.

AND SO INSTEAD OF HAVING FIVE SIGNS, THEN YOU CAN GET IT ALL DONE IN ONE.

AND IT'S ACTUALLY THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN, NOT WHAT IT SITS ON AS FAR AS THE LAND.

YOU'RE NOT, AND THAT'S DEFINED IN THE ORDINANCE HERE.

THERE'S A THING ABOUT NOT BUILDING A, A CURB.

WELL SOMETIMES THEY'RE, THEY'RE RAISED, IN OTHER WORDS, JUST

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AND, UM, THEN THE SIGN SITS ON TOP OF THAT.

BUT IT PROHIBITS THE BERM BEING BUILT TO, TO RAISE THE LEVEL OF THE SIZE.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M KIND OF ASKING.

IT'S IN HERE.

YEAH, IT'S IN HERE.

THAT, YEAH.

THERE'S THIS, THE, UNDER EACH OF THE, UM, HEIGHT MEASUREMENTS, IT SAYS CREATING A GRADE OR BI TO ADD OR ADDING FILL TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN IS PROHIBITED.

NOW THIS TYPICALLY YOU MEASURE OVERALL, THIS IS GREAT.

TYPICALLY YOU MEASURE THE HEIGHT FROM THE, EITHER WHICHEVER IS, AND YOU GIVE THEM SOME GRACE, BUT WHICHEVER IS GREATER FROM THE BASE OF WHERE THE SIGN IS.

OR YOU MEASURE IT SOMETIMES FROM THE ROADWAY BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR, THAT'S WHAT THEIR MARKET IS.

SO THAT'S USUALLY WHERE YOU MEASURE THE BASE FROM OR THE HEIGHT FROM.

WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ME TO GO THROUGH THE, IF YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO NO, YOU DO YOUR THING AND THEN, OH, I, YEAH.

AND THAT WAS SUPER QUESTION.

UM, SO WE'VE KIND OF, UH, NOT TO UM, BELABOR MONUMENT SIGNS, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HERE.

RIGHT NOW THE ORDINANCE STATES THAT, UM, FOR SETBACKS YOU HAVE TO BE 10 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

UH, WE HAVE, WE'VE TWEAKED THAT A LITTLE BIT TO SAY FIVE FEET FROM A NON-RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE, 50 FEET FROM A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE.

SO TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BUFFER TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

UM, AGAIN, THE MAXIMUM AREA, AREA HEIGHT AND, UM, SPACING BETWEEN SIGNS.

WE'VE, WE'VE BROKEN THAT UP BETWEEN MUL MULTI-TENANT AND SINGLE TENANT.

UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THERE RIGHT NOW MAXIMUM AREA OF A SI OF A MONUMENT SIGN OF 75, UH, SQUARE FEET, SEVEN FEET IN HEIGHT.

AND THE READER BOARD, WHICH THOSE ELECTRONIC READER BOARDS CAN BE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE SIGN AS IT SITS TODAY.

UM, OUR PROPOSAL IS THAT YOU LIMIT THAT DOWN TO 50% OF THE SIGN.

UM, AND THEN THERE'S NO SPACING REQUIREMENT OR NO MAXIMUM NUMBER.

UM, AND SO WE'RE PROPOSING 150 FEET BETWEEN, UH, EACH SIGN ON THE PROPERTY AND THEN ONE, UH, ONE SIGN PER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

A QUICK PLEASE FOR THE, THE READER BOARD PART.

FOR INSTANCE, THE SIGN AT THE LIBRARY, IT'S A READER BOARD MM-HMM .

OR THE FIRE STATIONS AND THEY'RE GETTING READY TO REVIEW, REVIEW THAT.

DOES THE MASONRY PART OF THE SIGN COUNT AS SQUARE FOOTAGE? NO, NOT SO, LIKE AT THE LIBRARY THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT READER BOARD.

I, I'M, YOU'RE TESTING MY MEMORY NOW, BUT WELL, BUT NO, ALL THE, YOU KNOW, IT IS JUST THE DIGITAL SIGN.

BUT THERE IS, IS, DOESN'T SAY BEDFORD LIBRARY ON THE TOP, JUST THAT'S, IT'S NOT STATIC.

I, I, I MEAN JUST YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S STATIC.

THE LETTERS, IT'S JUST A LITTLE SMALL PART.

SO, SO SIGNS MEASURE, YOU TAKE THE ENTIRE AREA THAT ACTUALLY HAS A SIGN, NOT THE STRUCTURE, BUT THE SIGN AREA AND YOU BUILD A BOX ON THAT AND THAT'S HOW YOU MEASURE THE AREA.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS 'CAUSE SURE.

WE'RE GETTING READY TO CHANGE A LOT OF THOSE SIGNS IN DIFFERENT PLACES.

SO THE SETBACKS, IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR ENFORCEMENT THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK ON NON-RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AS TO BLOCKING THE VISION OF TRAFFIC? MM-HMM .

WE TALKING ABOUT LIGHTING.

LIGHTING AS FAR AS ON THE SIGN, WHETHER IT'S BACK LIT OR SURE.

IN THERE, EACH SECTION HAS, AND IT, IT DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF SIGN, BUT EACH SECTION DOES HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A SINGLE FACE SIGN OR DOUBLE-FACED, UM, LIGHTING'S ALLOWED LIGHTING'S PERMISSIBLE BY BACK BLACK, I CAN'T SPEAK BACK FLUORESCENT OR ACCENT LIGHTING.

UM, AND THEN IT SAYS NO LIGHTING SHALL PRODUCE ANY TYPE OF SAFETY HAZARD HARM, LIKE SHINING INTO TRAFFIC OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO WOULD THAT, OH, GO AHEAD.

I WAS GONNA ASK HOW ARE WE MAKING THAT DETERMINATION OF IT BECOMES A SAFETY HAZARD BASED ON THE BRIGHTEST LEVEL? THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE UP TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.

IF WE, IF WE START GETTING COMPLAINTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN WE, WE GO OUT AND WE INVESTIGATE.

IF IT'S DEEMED A HAZARD BY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, THEN IT GOES TO MU AND THE PROPERTY OWNER DOESN'T AGREE, THEN IT JUST GOES TO MUNICIPAL COURT AND IT'S A MU IT'S A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE THAT WORKS.

I'M, I'M THINKING OF AN EXAMPLE OFF OF, UH, BROWN SHELL 180 3, RIGHT SET OF SEVEN 11.

THERE'S A PROPERTY BEHIND IT.

IT'S THE BIG ELECTRONIC BILLBOARD TYPE SIGN.

MM-HMM.

VERY BRIGHT AT NIGHT.

THAT KIND OF WOULD HANDLE THAT PARTICULAR ONE IS A, IS A, UM, IS AN ONGOING ISSUE.

SO THERE ARE ALSO IN THIS, UH, ORDINANCE, THERE ARE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS FOR, UM, READER BOARDS THEMSELVES AS FAR AS HOW FAST THEY CAN TURN OVER, UM, HOW BRIGHT THEY CAN BE, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, THERE'S NO MOTION PICTURES.

YOU KNOW, YOU SEE SOME NOW, OH YEAH.

THAT SHOW A LITTLE MOVIE ON 'EM.

UM, SO THAT, THAT TYPE OF THING IS PROHIBITED AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SINCE FLUORESCENCE ON THE WAY OUT, IS THERE A DIFFERENCE FOR LED? I'LL MAKE THAT NOTE AND SEE.

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION WHILE WE'RE HERE.

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ALONG THAT THING WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF THE CURB IS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WAY, YOU KNOW, FIVE FEET BACK IS ONE THING, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT IN THE LINE OF SIGHT FOR TRAVEL, IS THAT, YEAH, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THERE OUTSIDE OF THE TRAFFIC TRIANGLE.

IT DIDN'T REALLY ADDRESS IT WELL, THE TRAFFIC TRIANGLE WOULD ADDRESS THAT, BUT OUTSIDE OF A INTERSECTION, WHAT HAPPENS? YOU'VE GOT A, YOU KNOW, STRAIGHT STRETCH HIGHWAY OR, OR THERE'S A TURN, WELL, FIVE FOOT BACK BLOCKS THAT FURTHER.

IS THAT A SURE, AN INTERSECTION IS CONSIDERED A DRIVEWAY OR A STREET, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF INTERSECTION IS THAT? IS THAT, AM I MISUNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION? NO, I'M JUST THINKING JUST LET'S SAY DRIVING ALONG HARDWOOD.

AND SOMEBODY, YOU, YOU'RE GOING WEST AND AS IT STARTS TO TURN, BEFORE YOU GET TO HEARST, THE SIGN SITTING HERE AND YOU'RE TURN, YOU CAN'T SEE VERY FAR AHEAD OF YOU.

SO THAT WOULD BE IN THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE FOR AN INTERSECTION.

BUT THERE'S NO INTERSECTION.

I'M JUST, IF YOU'RE STARTING TO TURN, WHAT ARE YOU TURNING INTO? NO, NO.

THE HIGHWAY BENDS.

OH, OH, I'M SORRY.

I'M SORRY.

FOR LIKE, ONCOMING TRAFFIC WITH THE SIGN.

IS THAT OKAY? I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA GET REAL TECHY, BUT YOU GET, FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S A SIGN.

DO YOU HAVE, OKAY THEN LET ME ASK, LET ME ASK THE QUESTION THEN.

DO YOU HAVE A CONCERN WITH A FIVE FOOT? IS THAT WHAT YOU HAVE A CONCERN WITH? MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE.

JUST A STEP BACK THAT, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.

SO IF YOU, IF YOU WANNA SEE A LARGER SETBACK, IF YOU WANNA GO BACK TO THE 10 FOOT SETBACK, WE CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE.

IT'D BE SOMETHING TO, TO LOOK AT SOMETHING MAYBE, I MEAN, LITTLE BIT MORE THAN FIVE TO GET IT OFF.

THE, THE ONLY WAY I COULD DO TO ADDRESS THAT CONCERN WOULD BE TO ADDRESS THE SETBACK.

JUST BECAUSE I CAN'T WRITE AN ORDINANCE THAT ADDRESSES VARIOUS, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT I'M JUST SAYING SETBACK WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY WE COULD HANDLE THAT MAYBE TENDS TOO MUCH.

BUT SEEMED LIKE FIVE IS YOU INCLUDE THE, YOU KNOW, THE SEVEN AND A HALF.

I, I'M, I'M JUST THROWING A NUMBER OUT THERE NOW.

MAYBE, MAYBE LIKE EIGHT IS BETTER.

'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY LINE, DEPENDING ON WHERE IT GOES, IF IT GOES TO THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, IF IT JUST GOES TO THE SIDEWALK, WHERE'S THAT SIGN END UP REALLY BEING AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE? IT COULD BE PRETTY TIGHT TO THE STREET UP.

I COULD ALSO POTENTIALLY COULD.

AND YOU GOTTA MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM TO HAVE SIDEWALKS THERE IN THOSE SITUATIONS.

COURSE YOU GOT EASEMENT.

'CAUSE WE'VE GOT SOME SIGNAGE NOW THAT IS LIKE, IT REALLY KIND OF A LITTLE BIT IMPEDES WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

OR, I MEAN, I THINK IF YOU'VE GOT A CONCERN WITH THE FIVE FOOT, THEN I WOULD JUST SUGGEST WE KEEP IT AT 10 FOOT.

MAKE IT EASY.

NO, I WASN'T TRYING TO MAKE IT HARD.

BUT YOU ALSO HAVE THAT ISSUE WHEN YOU'RE GOING NORTH ON PARKWOOD, THE NEW STREET AND YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT, THERE'S A POLE RIGHT THERE AND THERE'S A BIG TREE.

YOU REALLY HAVE TO PULL WEIGHT OUT TO MAKE THAT LEFT HAND TURN ON TO .

I WAS GONNA BRING THAT UP.

I, IT IS HARD TO SEE UHHUH , YOU CAN'T SEE ANY INCOME ONCOMING TRAFFIC FROM THE, FROM THE, I CAN MAKE A NOTE OF THAT, BUT SINCE THERE'S NOT A SIGN THERE, , I DON'T, DOESN'T REALLY APPLY TO THIS CONVERSATION.

ARE MONUMENT SIGNS THAT COULD BE SET BACK FURTHER.

IT'S PART, THAT'S PART OF IT.

THERE'S A TREE, THEN THERE'S A SERIES OF MONUMENT SIGNS.

AGAIN, I CAN'T ANTICIPATE EVERY SCENARIO.

SO I THINK 10 FOOT JUST SOUNDS LIKE IT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS, AND THIS IS YEARS AGO, BUT WHEN WE CREATED THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION IN OUR OLD NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN PUT IN A MONUMENT SIGN, WE WORKED WITH THE CITY FOR THE SITE.

WE ALSO, BECAUSE THE, EVEN WITHOUT THE SIGN, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT WAS STILL KIND OF BLIND WHERE FOREST DRIVE WENT OUT AND THE CITY WAS NICE ENOUGH AND ON HARWOOD TO PUT A CAUTION THAT FLASHED THAT THERE'S A STREET THAT COMES OUT THERE.

SO THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER THOUGHT.

IT, NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT IT WAS TO PROTECT OUR HOMEOWNERS.

I DON'T OR ANYBODY COMING OUT.

SURE.

I I, WE MIGHT BE GETTING A LITTLE BIT OFF THE SUBJECT OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE.

IT'S SIGN PER SE.

I'M JUST SAYING WHAT WE DID.

WE'RE OLD.

IF WE DON'T SAY SOMETHING NOW, WE'RE GONNA FORGET IT.

I, I, YEAH, I GET IT.

I GET IT.

I COULD, IF THE DRIVEWAY IS CONSIDERED, IF A DRIVEWAY IS CONSIDERED AN INTERSECTION, I GUESS SO, LIKE AT THE KROGER CENTER, THE GATE GATOR HAS A SIGN TO THE NORTH OF THE DRIVEWAY WHEN YOU COME OUT.

THEY'RE AT THE GAS STATION.

MM-HMM .

WHERE THEY'RE ADVERTISING THAT, THAT'S, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE LEASING AGENT.

IT'S HARD TO SEE ONCOMING GRAPHIC COMING FROM THE NORTH NORTH BECAUSE OF THEIR SIGN.

IS IT, IT, SO THAT AGAIN, WOULD APPLY.

WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE AND I'D HAVE TO, I'D JUST HAVE TO HAVE CODE IT GO OUT THERE AND INVESTIGATE WHETHER IT'S IN THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE OR NOT.

IS THE BLIND SPOT ALL OVER TOWN.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, PRETTY CLOSE TO THE CURB AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD TO PULL OUT PRETTY C SO I'M, AS I WAS READING THIS, I WAS THINKING THE PLACES WHERE, WHERE YOU DRIVE AND THE SIGN

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AND AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE FOR.

SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO, IF WE'VE GOT CONCERNS ABOUT SPECIFIC PROPERTIES, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THOSE OFFLINE, I GUESS.

BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO, TO DIVE INTO EACH EVERY VISIBILITY ISSUE WE HAVE.

I WAS JUST THINKING OF JUST A GENERAL EXAMPLE OF WHERE SOMEBODY'S PUT A MONUMENT SIGN THAT'S PERMANENT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IN THE GROUND THAT IMPEDES, YOU KNOW, VISIBILITY, BUT WHETHER IT'S PERMANENT OR NOT.

BUT WE DON'T STILL BE THERE.

I'M, BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL GRANDFATHERED, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO EVEN IF THEY'RE THERE NOW, BUT IT COULD BE A CODE VIOLATION RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN, IT COULD BE, I DON'T KNOW, ORDINANCE, RIGHT? I MEAN, THE CURRENT ORDINANCE DOES HAVE A VISIBILITY TRIANGLE.

THIS IS GOING OFF THE RAILS HERE.

UM, SO, UH, DO WE, DO WE WANNA KEEP GOING? OKAY.

UM, PYLON SIGNS, UH, THE, AGAIN, WE, UH, HAVE SET BACK CURRENTLY OF 10 FEET FROM PROPERTY LINE 300 FEET PER TENANT PER PARCEL.

UM, EXISTING HEIGHT IS 65 FEET, UM, SPACING.

THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT.

MAXIMUM NUMBER IS ONE PER STREET FRONTAGE.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED, THE, UM, AGAIN, ONE THING IS THAT THE PROPOSED SIGNOR DOES NOT ALLOW POLE ON POLE SIGNS.

THAT ALSO THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY PYLON SIGNS AND THEY WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED ON FREE RAY FRONTAGE.

I, SO THE POLE SIGNS WILL BE ALLOWED ON THE FREEWAY FRONTAGE? NO PYLON SIGNS WOULD BE ALLOWED.

AND PYLON SIGNS ARE ESSENTIALLY TWO.

TWO, YEAH.

TWO SUPPORTS, YES.

BUT IN THIS CASE, IT'S DEFINED THAT THEY HAVE TO BE ENC CASE.

IT CAN'T JUST BE FREE POLES.

SO WE'RE GETTING RID OF ANY, I CALL IT A MONOPOLE IF IT'S JUST THAT'S CORRECT.

SINGLE POLE.

YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

AND THE, UH, SO THOSE ARE GOING TO BE BANNED IS ONE, IS THAT CORRECT? NEW ONES.

NEW ONES.

SO NO ONE CAN COME IN AND PUT IN A NEW MONOPOLE SITE? THAT'S CORRECT.

IF THIS WERE TO BE ADOPTED AS IS.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

I HAD A, I THOUGHT YOU NEEDED A DEFINITION FOR A MONOPOLE, BUT I GUESS YOU DON'T IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW IT.

THERE YOU GO.

SO JUST, YEAH, JUST A POINT.

WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD, UH, CHICK-FIL-A HAVE TO DO UNDER THE NEW ORDINANCE FOR THEIR SIGNAGE? I'M NOT, I, AND I APOLOGIZE, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH EVERY SIGN.

SO I, WITH EVERY SIGN, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT CHICK-FIL-A HAS .

IT'S A POLE, ISN'T IT? POLE HUMONGOUS POLE SIGN.

SO THEN THEY WOULD, IF THEY'RE NON-CONFORMING RIGHT NOW, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO, IF THEY TOOK IT DOWN OR THEY DID SOMETHING TO IT, THEY'D HAVE TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THIS ORDINANCE.

THEY CAN PUT UP TWO POLES SO LONG AS THEY GET TWO SUPPORTS.

YEAH, NO, I JUST, SURE.

YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY, YOU KNOW, THE MARKETING THERE IS TO SEE IT WHILE YOU'RE UP ON THE FREEWAY.

YOU GOTTA GET OUT MORE WEST.

GUESS SO.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

SO WALL SIGN'S NOT A BIG CHANGE HERE.

ONE THING THAT, UH, WE, AND AS I STARTED OFF, THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS.

SO I DO FEEL LIKE THERE'S A CHANGE THAT I WANNA MAKE HERE.

AS I WAS PUTTING THIS INFORMATION TOGETHER, I CURRENTLY, THE EXISTING ORDINANCE IS, WALL SIGNS ARE TWO SQUARE, TWO SQUARE FEET PER FRONT, UH, STOREFRONT WIDTH.

UM, CAN'T EXTEND ABOVE THE ROOF.

THE EXISTING ORDINANCE ALSO PROVIDES A PROVISION FOR SECONDARY WALL SIGNS.

SO IF YOU'VE GOT A, A BUILDING THAT HAS A, A CORNER THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM, IT'S ON THE CORNER AND YOU CAN SEE FROM TWO DIFFERENT STREETS.

THE CURRENT SIDE ORDINANCE REQUIRES YOU TO PICK A PRIMARY FACADE AND THEN A SECONDARY FACADE.

AND THE SECONDARY FACADE GETS A 50% OF WHATEVER THE PRIMARY FACADE GOT.

SO IF YOU'VE GOT A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET ON THE PRIMARY FACADE, YOU'D GET 50 SQUARE FEET ON THE SECONDARY FACADE.

THE NEW SIGN ORDINANCE DOES NOT GIVE THAT PROVISION.

AND I THINK THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE WANT TO ADD BACK INTO IT.

UM, BUT, UH, IT DOES, THE BIG CHANGE IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE STATES THAT IT'S EITHER 40 SQUARE FEET OR TWO SQUARE FEET PER STOREFRONT WIDTH, WHICHEVER IS GREATER.

SO, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS.

MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S NOT THAT MANY CORNER BUSINESSES, BUT IT, IT SEEMS LIKE I WOULD WANT TO HAVE CONSISTENCY ON THE SIZE OF MY SIGNS ON BOTH SIDES OF MY BUSINESS.

I THINK IF, IF I HAD A STORE THAT HAD GLASS WINDOWS AND MAYBE EVEN ENTRANCES ON TWO SIDES AND INTERSECTION, I'D WANT THE SAME SIZE TO BE THE SAME SIDE ON BOTH SIDES.

YOU KNOW, YOU WANT 'EM TO BE THE SAME SIZE.

I THINK.

I THINK I, I, SO THAT'S NOT THE WAY THE CURRENT ORDINANCES WRITTEN, BUT I CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

BUT I COULD SEE FOR, FOR SYMMETRY AND FOR SIGNAGE, IF YOU'VE GOT, PARTICULARLY IF IT'S GOT TWO DOORS.

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WELL, I THINK WITHIN A PAWN SHOP AT BENFORD AND HARWOOD, RIGHT? THAT'S, BUT THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY GLASS ON THE CENTRAL.

NO.

AND I'M THINKING ABOUT LIKE THE, THE, THE NEW, THE, THE MAVIS TIRE PLACE OVER THERE ON HARWOOD.

YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT A SIGN ABOVE THE BAYS OR IT'S GOT A SIGN ALONG HARDWOOD.

BUT THEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST THAT WOULD BE, SO IF YOU'VE, THEY HAVE A PRIMARY, THEIR PRIMARY IS WHAT FACES HARWOOD.

AND THEN THEY'VE GOT TWO SECONDARIES SO THEY CAN, WHAT THEY WERE GIVEN AND JUST 'CAUSE I REMEMBER I HAD TO REVIEW THAT ONE.

WHAT THEY WERE GIVEN IS, UM, THEY, AND I'M JUST GONNA USE ROUND NUMBERS.

THEIR PRIMARY WAS, UM, A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET ON THE SIDE THAT FACED HARWOOD.

AND THEN THEY COULD HAVE 50 SQUARE FEET ON EITHER SIDE THAT YOU COULD SEE FROM HARWOOD.

OH.

SO THAT'S HOW THAT, THAT'S HOW THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN.

OH, OKAY.

BUT WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY IS THAT YOU WOULD, LIKE, IF YOU'RE AT A CORNER, AND THAT'S NOT AT A CORNER, BUT IF YOU'RE AT A CORNER OF TWO INTERSECTING STREETS, YOU WANT ESSENTIALLY TWO PRIMARY WALLS.

IS THAT WHAT OR TWO PRIMARY? YEAH, I WAS THINKING, AND THAT'S FINE SPECIFICALLY OF THE MAVIS, YOU KNOW, THEY GOT THE WALL THAT FACES HARWOOD, BUT THEN THERE'S THE WESTWARD FACING WALL AS YOU'RE DRIVING UP IT.

BUT THAT'S NOT AT A CORNER STREET.

SO IT'S NOT A CORNER STREET.

THAT'S A SECONDARY WALL IN THAT CASE.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

DO WE WANT TO PUT AN OVERALL CAP ON IT? LIKE A NOT TO EXCEED? 'CAUSE UH, WHICHEVER IS GREATER, THEIR STOREFRONT IS VERY LARGE.

THIS POTENTIAL, BOTH THOSE SIGNS COULD BE RATHER BIG.

SO WE FIT, THIS IS THE MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE, LIKE THE OLD TIME, 40 SQUARE FEET IS THE LIMIT ON THIS.

THAT WOULD BE, IT'S 40 SQUARE FEET, TWO TIMES MILLENNIAL FOOTAGE.

WHICHEVER'S BIGGER.

WHICHEVER'S RIGHT.

WHICH TO ME DOESN'T THEN HAVE A CAP.

IT NO, THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN THERE IS, THERE IS NOT A CAP.

AND SO IF YOU'RE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE WANTING TO GIVE SECONDARY WALL SIGN OR SECONDARY WALL SIGNAGE OPPORTUNITY, THEN YEAH, I WOULD THINK YOU'D WANNA LOOK AT SOME TYPE OF OVERALL CAP.

BUT THAT'S A, THAT'S A DECISION OF THE COMMISSION.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

GOOD POINT.

SO LOOK AT A CAP AS WELL.

MY OPINION, BUT I'M NOT A VOTING MEMBER TODAY, .

THIS IS JUST DISCUSSION NOW.

I, I NOTICED THERE'S NO CHANGEABLE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE READER BOARDS AT ALL ON THESE PARTICULAR SIGNS.

NOT ON ALL SIGNS.

THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD.

UM, IT'S PRETTY STANDARD FROM WHAT I SAW IN OTHER CITIES.

NOW, IS THAT CHANGING WITH THE CHANGING OF SIGNAGE? IT MIGHT BE.

UM, SO IT MAY SHOW THAT ALL OF OUR PEER CITIES HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DATED ORDINANCE.

I DON'T KNOW, IS THAT SOMETHING Y'ALL WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER? I THINK IT MAKES SENSE ON A WALL SIGN IN PARTICULAR, BUT SOME PEOPLE, I MEAN, THAT'S MY OPINION.

WOULD, AND THIS IS JUST FOR CONVERSATION PURPOSES, WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THE 50% AREA OR WOULD YOU WANT SOMETHING, WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE WITH A HUNDRED PERCENT? I, I'M JUST THROWING A CONVERSATION POINT OUT THERE.

50% TO ME SEEMS REASONABLE.

ANY THAT'S, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A PREFERENCE COMMENT? OKAY.

SCROLLING IS NOT ALLOWED.

RIGHT? SCROLLING IS ALLOWED, BUT IN, I THINK THE WAY THE CURRENT, THERE'S A FREQUENCY.

THERE'S LIKE A, IT'S LIKE AN EIGHT SECOND TURNOVER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

50% WHERE THEY COULD SCROLL.

THAT WOULDN'T BE HORRIBLE.

BUT YOU COULD PUT HOURS OF OPERATION FOR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN A SCROLLING SIGN.

WE'D WRITE AND EVERYTHING.

I'LL MAKE THAT CHANGE.

AND JUST, I'M JUST GOING TO PERSONAL OPINION IS IN READING ALL THIS, AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING US HAVE EVEN HAVE A LOOK AT THIS.

NO, BUT THINKING ABOUT AS WE GO ALONG AND WE ARE GON REDOING SOME, YOU KNOW, THE, OUR LITTLE SHOPPING CENTERS AND STRIP CENTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THIS HARKENS BACK TO LIKE THE, THE FOOT SPA PEOPLE WHERE THE SIGN'S STILL ON THE BUILDING.

MM-HMM .

YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS AS, AS WE REDO SHOPPING CENTERS AND AREAS AND, AND NEW RETAIL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS PRETTY NICE.

I MEAN, AND GET THE SIGNS DOWN AND THIS KIND OF THING IS NO, I, I MEAN, I APPRECIATE THAT.

I THINK THE, I WILL SAY, UM, AND I, I FEEL LIKE IT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE

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THIS IS, I WOULD CALL THIS A STRICTER SIGN ORDINANCE THAN WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.

UM, BUT WE ALSO, THAT SEEMS TO BE A RECURRING THEME ON ALL OF OUR ORDINANCES THAT WE'RE KIND OF GOING FORWARD THROUGH.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE STUCK TO THAT.

BUT IF, AGAIN, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK, HMM, THAT MAY BE TOO FAR, THEN THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS CONVERSATION.

HOW DOES THIS, DO, DOES THIS HELP YOUR ENFORCEABILITY, THIS ORDINANCE FOR LIKE MAINTENANCE OF SIGNS? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

'CAUSE RIGHT NOW I DON'T HAVE MUCH IN THE CURRENT SIGN ORDINANCE.

THAT'S THE OTHER ADDED BENEFITS.

MM-HMM .

DOES THIS NEW ORDINANCE CHANGE THE PATH OF ESCALATION THAT YOU HAVE OR THE CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS? IF THERE'S A SIGN THAT'S NOT AD HEARING TO THESE, OR IS IT STILL THE SAME? I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN.

IF THERE'S A SIGN THAT'S NOT, DOES, DOES IT CHANGE THE PATH OF ESCALATION FOR THE CODE ORDINANCE? IF YOU FIND A SIGN THAT'S NOT CONFORMING TO THESE, IS THAT A DIFFERENT PROCESS THAN WHAT WE HAVE TODAY TO GO THROUGH? OR IS IT MORE, NOT NECESSARILY.

IT'S ALL GONNA TAKE US THROUGH THE NORMAL CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS, WHICH IS SO MANY NOTICES THAN WE GO TO MUNICIPAL COURT AND SO ON AND SO ON.

UM, IT JUST GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE TEETH.

THERE ARE WHAT NOW, WHAT THIS ORDINANCE DOES DO THAT OUR CURRENT DOES NOT, WHICH IS A STANDARD PRACTICE.

UM, BUT IT, IT REALLY LAYS OUT AND IT REALLY DEFINES, LIKE ON THOSE BANDIT SIGNS YOU SEE OUT, UM, RIGHT NOW WE JUST CALL THOSE ILLEGAL SIGNS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED SOMEBODY, WHAT'S THE, UH, A MOVING COMPANY GOES OUT AND JUST PEPPERS A CITY AND IN THE RIGHT OF WAY WITH SIGNAGE USUALLY.

AND THAT'S USUALLY WHAT THEY COLORS DO ON A SATURDAY, IS THEY DRIVE THROUGH AND THEY PICK UP ALL THOSE SIGNS.

UM, THIS GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE TEETH ON ENFORCEMENT OF THAT.

BUT IT'S ALSO CLEAR THAT WE, WE HAVE TO, WE CAN DESTROY 'EM WITHOUT ANY TYPE OF NOTICE, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO, RIGHT NOW, WE HOLD ONTO 'EM TO GIVE 'EM AN OPTION.

UM, BUT THIS GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE FREEDOM TO THROW 'EM AWAY BECAUSE THEY'RE ILLEGAL IN THE FIRST PLACE.

SO ON THAT, ON THAT SAME NOTION, UH, IN OUR HOA, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT PUT MATTRESS SALES AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BUY HOUSES SIGNED.

SO WE REGULARLY HAVE THE HOA JUST PULL 'EM UP.

SO I ASSUME THAT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE.

NO, I HATE TO TAKE WORK AWAY FROM CITY EMPLOYEES, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY FOR Y'ALL TO DO THAT.

SO, OKAY.

ONE OF THE, SO RIGHT THERE AT FOREST RIDGE AND HARWOOD CROSSING THE BALL FIELDS, THAT NORTHWEST CORNER IS A VERY POPULAR POLITICAL SIGN LOCATION.

, DOES THIS HELP THAT THIS POLITICAL SIGNS ARE GOVERNED STRICTLY BY THE STATE, BUT IS THAT CORNER, HOW MUCH OF THAT CORNER IS CONSIDERED EASTMAN? THEY'RE ALL OUTTA THE RIGHT OF WAY.

I MEAN, RIGHT OF WAY.

THEY'RE THOSE MEAN.

RIGHT NOW, OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE DOESN'T ALLOW POLITICAL SIGNS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO IF YOU SEE A POLITICAL SIGN, IT'S ODDS ARE IT'S NOT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

OR IF IT IS, CODE ENFORCEMENT WILL REMOVE IT IF IT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO THEN THAT SECTION'S NOT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

OH, THAT CORNER THERE.

HUH.

SO THE RIGHT OF WAY STOPS.

IT IS, DOESN'T EVEN GO TO THE FENCE.

N NO.

OH, WOW.

THERE'S VERY LITTLE RIGHT OF WAY THERE.

YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS WORKING, IT'S A TESTED SPOT.

IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE THERE, , SO, ALL RIGHT.

WELL, MAYBE THEY SHOULD, IF THEY HANG 'EM ON A FENCE, THEN YOU CAN TAKE A DOWN.

THAT WOULD BE ILLEGAL.

LET'S NOT GIVE ANYBODY ANY IDEAS.

UM, THE, UH, SO BANNERS, BANNERS ARE ALWAYS POPULAR.

THIS IS WHERE I FEEL LIKE WE MAY HAVE, I THINK WE'VE HELPED, UM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW BANNERS ARE PRETTY STRICT.

IT'S 60 DAYS, 10 DAYS IN BETWEEN, UM, 50 SQUARE FEET.

UH, ONE THING THAT WE GO BACK AND FORTH ON, IT ALSO SAYS IT HAS TO BE ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING.

PROPOSED REGULATIONS KEPT THE, ATTACHED TO THE FRONT OR SIDE OF A BUILDING.

UM, WE LIMITED SIZE JUST A LITTLE BIT.

I DON'T, I MEAN, TWO SQUARE FEET'S NOT ENOUGH TO REALLY MENTION.

SO WE CAN PUSH THAT BACK UP TO 50 IF WE WANT TO.

UM, WE'VE ALLOWED FOUR PERMITS FOR, UM, PER YEAR FOR BUSINESS, 30 DAYS FOR EACH PERMIT, 45 DAYS BETWEEN EACH PERMIT.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE CONSTANT BANNERS THERE ALL THE TIME.

UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT Y'ALL THINK OF THAT.

YAY.

NAY.

IS THERE AN EXEMPTION FOR IF A NEW BUSINESS HAS A PERMIT REQUEST FOR SIGNAGE AND THE NEW SIGNAGE IS NOT UP YET? THEY GET BANNERS IN BETWEEN OR DURING THE PERIOD? NO.

NO.

I WOULD CAUTION YOU TO BUILD IN SUCH AN EXEMPTION BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BECOME KIND OF A NIGHTMARE TO MANAGE.

UM, AND THEY GET THE PERMIT AND THEY DON'T FUND THE SIGN.

HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN WHAT WE ENFORCE AND WHAT WE DON'T.

NO IDEA.

I UNDERSTAND.

AND I KNOW EXACTLY WHICH ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, WHERE WE WENT THROUGH A PERIOD AND, AND WE STILL DEAL WITH IT ON CODE ENFORCEMENT.

AND, AND KEEP IN MIND CODE ENFORCEMENT, WE

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UM, BUT, UH, THE ONE, THE CHAIRMAN'S TALKING ABOUT, IT WAS A NEW BUSINESS.

IT TOOK THEM A, HE HAD, HE GOT HIS SIGNED PERMIT.

THE MANUFACTURER WAS JUST TAKING THEIR TIME FOR WHATEVER REASON.

UM, AND WE, WE WORKED WITH THAT OWNER TO ALLOW HIM TO KEEP HIS BANNER UP.

UM, BUT UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE WE JUST DO THAT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

UM, WE HAD DOC PERMITS PENDING.

YEAH, WE HAD DOCUMENTATION FROM THE OWNER THAT, FROM THE MANUFACTURER THAT THEY WERE WORKING ON IT.

IT WAS A DELAY, WHATEVER.

STAFF CAN HANDLE THAT.

BUT THESE KIND OF BANNERS, YOU'D WANT TO BE ABLE TO RIGHT.

FLIP.

QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS.

WHAT'S, OH, DID YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT FEATHER FLAGS? UM, SO RIGHT NOW FEATHER FLAGS ARE ONLY ALLOWED DURING GRAND OPENING.

UM, WE DON'T REALLY DEFINE HOW LONG A GRAND OPENING CAN BE.

UM, SO WE'RE KIND OF PUTTING A LITTLE BIT MORE TEETH ON THIS ONE.

UM, THEY CAN BE ALONG THE STREET, JUST NOT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

THEY CAN BE UP TO, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE MAX HEIGHT.

UM, WE'RE SAYING YOU CAN PUT THREE ON A PROPERTY.

UM, AND YOU CAN HAVE TWO PERMITS, UH, PER YEAR PER BUSINESS, 10 DAYS FOR EACH PERMIT, 60 DAYS BETWEEN THOSE PERMITS.

AWESOME.

LAST THING WAS THAT SPECIAL SIGN DISTRICT, WHICH I ALREADY TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT.

UM, AGAIN, THIS IS, Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH PLAIN UNIT DEVELOPMENTS WHERE YOU KIND OF CREATE YOUR OWN ZONING DISTRICT.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS.

IT GIVES, UH, AND ACTUALLY JUST TO, UM, KINDA GIVE YOU A LITTLE PREVIEW IF THIS GETS APPROVED AND THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, WE'RE ALREADY TALKING TO THE DEVELOPER OF GATEWAY VILLAGE, WHICH HAS SPROUTS AND ALL THEM.

THEY WILL PROBABLY BE YOUR FIRST SPECIAL SIGNED DISTRICT.

UM, SO IT'S, HOPEFULLY THAT'LL BE OUR FIRST CASE STUDY.

I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THAT IS ALL I HAVE.

ANY QUESTIONS, ANY COMMENTS? I WILL PROBABLY, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL HAVE A, ALL THE REVISIONS DONE BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING, BUT, UM, I'LL DO MY BEST.

WHEN MIGHT THAT MEETING BE? WELL, THANK YOU FOR ASKING.

UM, SO, UH, I AM NOT GOING TO BE IN TOWN FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, SO BY LUCK OF THE DRAW, Y'ALL GET THE NIGHT OFF AS WELL.

UM, SO APRIL 12TH, WE WILL NOT HAVE A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.

UM, AND SO OUR NEXT MEETING WOULD BE APRIL, THE, UM, I'M SORRY, APRIL 9TH.

YOU WILL NOT HAVE YOUR NEXT MEETING.

APRIL 23RD, YOU WILL HAVE A MEETING.

I ALREADY HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT ARE SET FOR THAT AGENDA.

SO, UM, APRIL 23RD WOULD BE YOUR NEXT MEETING.

UM, ALSO WITH THAT, SINCE I'M STANDING HERE AND MAKING JUST RANDOM ANNOUNCEMENTS, UM, I AM STARTING TOMORROW.

I WILL BE OUT OF THE OFFICE.

UM, SO, AND AS Y'ALL KNOW, WE ARE A TAD BIT SHORT STAFFED IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW.

SO HOPEFULLY YOU DON'T NEED ANY PLANNING EMERGENCIES OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.

AND, UM, WE WILL.

UH, BUT IF YOU DO, UM, FEEL FREE, YOU CAN REACH OUT.

MY EMAIL WILL BE GOING TO THE GENERAL ZONING EMAIL.

SO SOMEBODY WILL RESPOND TO YOU IF YOU HAVE A PLANNING EMERGENCY OF SOME SORT.

I CAN'T IMAGINE, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE CITIZENS CALL US WHILE YOU'RE GONE? NO, I DON'T THINK I WOULD DO THAT TO YOU.

OR TO THEM , THAT'S MORE A, WES, I STILL GOT A, I GOT A COUPLE NITPICKY COMMENTS.

ON YOUR FIRST PAGE IN THERE YOU'VE GOT THAT YOU'LL ENSURE THE RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH IS PRESERVED.

I, BUT I'VE GOT A OBJECTION WITH THE WORD INSURER BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN ENSURE THAT IT IS, UH, I THINK YOU OUGHT TO JUST REWORD IT.

MAYBE JUST, YOU KNOW, IN, IN SOME FASHION THAT SAY THAT THE RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH WILL BE PRESERVED OR SOMETHING.

UH, OTHER THING IS, LET'S SEE, OH, WHAT IS THE CITY'S OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER? FORT WORTH? STAR TELEGRAM.

WHY DON'T WE JUST SAY THE FORT WORTH STAR TELEGRAM? BECAUSE THAT COULD CHANGE AND I DON'T WANNA CHANGE AN ORDINANCE.

I WAS UNAWARE THAT THAT'S THE OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER.

IF THEY'VE BEEN OUT OF BUSINESS FOR OVER 30 DAYS.

SO YOU HAVEN'T BEEN GETTING ALL OF OUR PUBLIC NOTICES IN THE NEWSPAPER? OH, WELL, UM, I'M SHOCKED.

YEAH, I KNOW.

UM, FOR NON-COMPLIANCE, YOU GIVE 'EM 10 DAYS TO TEAR IT DOWN, UH, OR 10 DAYS TO TAKE ACTION ON SOMETHING IN THERE.

BUT IF THEY'VE ABANDONED THE BUSINESS, THEY GET 30 DAYS BEFORE THEY, UH, HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.

IF,

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SO IS IT, THAT'S NOT, ARE YOU WANTING TO RESTRICT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN, WELL, I, I DON'T KNOW.

10 DAYS SEEMS PRETTY QUICK FOR SOMEBODY IF, LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WE OUGHT TO JUST LET IT GO AND LET IT BE 10 DAYS AND LET'S SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.

I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY QUICK WHEN IN THE NEXT SENTENCE, YOU WERE ALLOWING FOR MORE THAN 30 DAYS AND THINGS TO COME AND YOU'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED THE MONOPOLES AND IT LOOKS LIKE ANY NEW SIGN IS GONNA GET SOME GREEN STUFF AROUND THE BOTTOM, WHICH WE HADN'T HAD BEFORE.

UH, AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL I'VE GOT THERE.

YOU'VE COVERED EVERYTHING ELSE.

YOU REMOVE THE BEDFORD BLUE LIGHTS? I NO.

, I, NO.

UM, ON THE SIGN CHRISTMAS LIGHTS AND BLUE THAT ARE AROUND THE BEDFORD SIGNS AT THE, OH, DID PARKS REMOVE THOSE? YOU'LL HAVE TO THANK MARK LONG FOR THAT .

WELL, WHAT DID HE DO THAT FOR? I, I, THAT'S NEWS TO ME.

I GUESS I HAVEN'T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION SPAR.

ANYWAY.

THAT OKAY.

THERE EVERY DAY THEY'RE UNDER REDESIGN.

THAT MAY BE IT.

I DON'T HAVE A CLUE.

SO.

WELL, I THOUGHT THE CHRISTMAS SIGNS ALONG COMING UP TO HERE ON FOREST RIDGE.

I MEAN, UH, YEAH, WERE PRETTY NEAT.

THEY OUGHT TO BE EXPANDED.

OH, THOSE WERE NICE AND MM-HMM .

A LOT MORE PUT UP LIKE THAT.

YEAH, THOSE LITTLE, THOSE WERE NICE.

ALL RIGHT, MS. BARLOW, I JUST HAD A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS ON PAGE R FIVE OF 21 TALKS ABOUT A SPECIAL EVENT SIGN.

OH, THIS IS WHERE MY PAGE NUMBERS ARE DIFFERENT.

I APOLOGIZE.

WHAT SECTION ARE YOU IN? DO YOU KNOW? IT'S JUST THE DEFINITION.

OH, OKAY.

UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S I IN HERE, BUT SINCE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LIKE THE HEV, YOU KNOW, ONE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WE HAVE THE HEV CHAMBER.

I DON'T KNOW, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE CODE SOME THEY, SOMETIMES THESE PEOPLE SOMETIMES SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT LENIENT ON IT JUST BECAUSE WE THREE CITIES ARE SO CLOSE ON CERTAIN THINGS.

I WAS JUST SAYING THAT ANNOUNCING ONE SPECIAL EVENT THAT, THAT MAY BE IN THE REGULATION SOMEWHERE.

I HADN'T FOUND THAT.

SO THAT REFERENCES THE SPECIAL EVENT ORDINANCE, WHICH TALKS ABOUT WHAT SIGNAGE YOU CAN PUT OUT FOR SPECIAL EVENT ORDINANCES.

UM, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, WE RECOGNIZE SCHOOL DISTRICT DOES CRAFT FAIRS AND YOU KNOW, HALLOWEEN COMES AND THEY HAVE THEIR FESTIVALS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, THOSE ARE COVERED UNDER YOUR NONPROFIT CIVIC SIGNS.

UM, ON PAGE 1121, WHEN WE WERE TALKING IT'S SECTIONS, UH, SIX DASH 73.

UM, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT POINT D TALKS ABOUT DISTANCE BETWEEN SIGNS, BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT UP ILLUSTRATED.

THERE IS NOT AN ILLUSTRATION THERE, BUT IT'S, IT'S SET IN THE DEFINITION.

SO, UM, AND THEN I WOULD JUST, FOR ME, IT WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL, UM, WHEN WE GO TO SECTION, UH, SIX DASH SEVEN EIGHT, THE SPECIFIC SIGN CRITERIA, IF YOU EVER COULD PUT A PICTURE THERE, MAYBE OF AN EXAMPLE.

I DUNNO IF THAT'S FEASIBLE OR NOT.

I CAN LOOK AT IT AND SEE A COUPLE LITTLE TYPOS, BUT NOTHING, I'M NOT ABOVE A PI A TYPO.

SO, OKAY.

SO THERE'S ONE ON A PAGE, UH, UNDER AWNING SIGN FOR SOME REASON THERE'S AN EXTRA IS GOT AT THE END.

COPY.

YEP.

AND ON PAGE WHERE IT SAYS SECTION 6 79, MULTIFAMILY PROPERTY PROPERTIES BANNING THE B AND BANNER SIGNS.

ARE YOU AN INTROVERT? NO.

YOU'RE DOING GREAT.

SORRY.

APOLOGIZE TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY TONIGHT.

THIS, WE DO THIS ALL THE TIME.

DO ONE ALL THE TIME.

ALL THIS LITTLE MINUTIAE STUFF.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.

SHE'S AN ATTORNEY.

THAT'S WHY THEY BRING IT TO YOU.

SHE'S AN ATTORNEY.

THAT'S WHAT SHE DOES.

I KNOW.

BUT YOU KNOW, ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT.

EASY ENOUGH.

ONCE AGAIN, SERIOUSLY, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO US.

NO, IT'S OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS AUDIENCE AMONGST THE COMMISSIONS AND LOOK AT, I KNEW THERE WOULD BE, ARE THE OTHER CITIES STARTING TO RE-LOOK AT THEIR SIGN ORDINANCE? 'CAUSE SOME OF 'EM I KNOW ARE OLDER.

SOME ARE OLDER.

UM, I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT IT OR NOT.

I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T REACHED OUT AND ASKED.

I JUST, IT WAS A TREND GOING ON.

NO, IT'S, THIS IS, THIS IS JUST PART OF, AS Y'ALL KNOW, IT WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS IN OUR COMP PLAN THAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT.

SO WE'RE JUST CHECKING OFF A BOX AND MOVING DOWN THE PROCESS.

BUT IT'S ALL A PART OF MAKING THE CITY LOOK BETTER.

ABSOLUTELY.

I MEAN, EVERYTHING THAT, I MEAN, YOU COULD GO ON AND ON.

I MEAN, THINGS THAT YEAH.

WILL COUNCIL TAKE THIS? I'M GONNA TELL 'EM THAT Y'ALL RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AND SO THEY'RE PROBABLY JUST GONNA BE GREAT WITH IT.

GOOD JOB.

HOW, HOW

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THAT'LL WORK.

OKAY, WE'LL LOOK AT IT AGAIN.

RIGHT? YOU WILL GET TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN.

IS IT APPROPRIATE OR EVEN LATE OR WORKABLE TO WHERE LIKE WE HAVE HIGHWAY QUARTERS, LIKE WHEN WE START TO MAKE LIKE, LET'S SAY HARWOOD AND BROWN TRAIL, YOU KNOW, AND, AND MAYBE BEDFORD ROAD, YOU KNOW, WE IDENTIFY HIGHWAY QUARTERS IN THE TOWN.

CAN YOU HAVE SEPARATE SIGN REGULATIONS? YOU CAN, BUT PLEASE DON'T DO THAT TO ME.

THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.

IT'S JUST, YEAH, I MEAN YOU CAN, UM, AND I AND, AND SOME, SOME CITIES THAT I'VE BEEN IN.

THAT IS, THAT IS THE PROCESS.

IT BECOMES VERY CUMBERSOME THOUGH.

'CAUSE LIKE UP UP DAVIS ROAD, THERE'S SEVERAL CITIES AROUND AND CERTAIN STREETS, THIS, YOU KNOW, THE MONUMENT SIGNING IS, IS IS PRETTY CONSISTENT, BUT YOU GET OFF OF THOSE TWO MAJOR ROADS.

IT'S NOT, AND IT COULD BE DONE, THEY COULD BE REGULATED BY THEIR ZONING DISTRICT.

THEY COULD BE.

I MEAN, IT COULD BE ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

UM, I, UH, AND WE, JUST SO YOU KNOW, AND I, I THINK I PUT THIS IN YOUR, YOUR, UH, YOUR BACKUP BEFORE TONIGHT.

THE SIGN ORDINANCE IS NOT IN THE ZONING DISTRICT.

SO, AND STRATEGICALLY THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT.

SO, UM, JUST BECAUSE I THINK IT'S EASIER TO KEEP 'EM SEPARATE.

UM, AND UH, SO THAT'S, BUT A LOT OF CITIES DON'T DO THAT.

A LOT OF CITIES DO PUT THEIR SIGN ORDINANCE IN THEIR ZONING DISTRICT.