Feb 12, 2026 Planning & Zoning Commission

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IT'S 6:00. CALL TO ORDER THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE BEDFORD PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR TODAY,

[CALL TO ORDER & ROLL CALL]

I HAVE A ROGER GALLENSTEIN, PRESENT. KATE BARLOW, PRESENT.

TOM JACOBSEN, PRESENT. BRUCE EMERY CHAIRMAN, PRESENT.

J.R. SMITH, PRESENT. MIKE INGRAHAM, PRESENT. AARON LEE, PRESENT.

EXCELLENT. COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE ONE MISSING VOTING COMMISSIONER THIS EVENING.

SO, MR. INGRAHAM, YOU WILL BE A VOTING MEMBER TONIGHT.

YES, SIR? WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO ABSENCES. OH, YES.

THAT'S RIGHT. I'M THINKING I'M USED TO DUKE BEING OVER HERE.

[LAUGHTER] OH, WELL, BOTH OF OUR ALTERNATES WILL BE VOTING THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU. SORRY I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE FOR DUKE FOR NOT NOTICING ANYONE HERE.

[LAUGHTER]. I'LL RISE FOR THE INVOCATION AND STAY STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE. OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO PARTICIPATE IN HELPING OUR CITY AND OUR CITIZENS.

GUIDE US WITH YOUR WISDOM AND YOUR KINDNESS AND YOUR CARE AS WE MAKE DECISIONS TO THE BENEFIT OF OUR CITY.

LOOK OUT FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND OUR POLICE AND ALL OF OUR CITY STAFF AS WE PLEDGE IN JESUS NAME.

AMEN. AMEN. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

EXCELLENT. ALL RIGHT. OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES FOR THE FOLLOWING DATE OF OUR LAST

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.

I'LL SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND.

OKAY. MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING OF DECEMBER 11TH, 2025 HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

[2. Conduct a public hearing and consider making a recommendation to City Council regarding a rezoning of the property described as McKay’s Restaurant Addition Block 1 Lot 1A from Heavy Commercial to Heavy Commercial / Specific Use Permit – Outdoor Seating/ Outdoor Amusement. The property is generally located at the northeast corner of Central Drive and L. Don Dodson Drive, and commonly known as 2208 Central Drive. (SUP-25-7)]

OUTDOOR SEATING. OUTDOOR AMUSEMENT. THIS PROPERTY IS GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF CENTRAL DRIVE AND L.

DON DODSON DRIVE. COMMONLY KNOWN AS 2208 CENTRAL DRIVE, THIS CASE SUP-25-7.

TURN IT OVER TO OUR STAFF REPORT FROM WES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. COMMISSION MEMBERS, THIS IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR OUTDOOR SEATING AND OUTDOOR AMUSEMENT.

THE OUTDOOR SEATING IS REALLY ALREADY THERE. IT'S THEY JUST HAVEN'T BEEN UTILIZING IT AS OUTDOOR SEATING.

AND THEN THE OUTDOOR AMUSEMENT IS A FUTURE USE FOR PICKLEBALL COURTS.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS BUILT IN 1990. ORIGINALLY BUILT AS A AS ONE RESTAURANT, IT'S SINCE BEEN DIVIDED INTO TWO RESTAURANTS.

HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE RESTAURANT IN QUESTION TONIGHT. IT'S A RESTAURANT BAR. THEY GENERALLY OPERATE FROM 11:00 A.M.

TO 2:00 A.M. I BELIEVE ON THE WEEKENDS OR WEEKDAYS.

THEY MAY NOT OPEN UNTIL 4:00 P.M. BUT GENERALLY THOSE ARE THEIR HOURS.

ZONING AS ALREADY MENTIONED, IT IS IN THE HEAVY COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT. RESTAURANT, RESTAURANT AND BAR USE IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

OUTDOOR SEATING AND OUTDOOR AMUSEMENT OF THESE TYPES REQUIRE AN SUP ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY.

GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF SITE PHOTOS HERE, AND MAYBE A LITTLE BIT BETTER PICTURES THAN WHAT THE STAFF REPORT PROVIDED.

YOU CAN SEE THERE THE THE OVERALL VIEW OF THE RESTAURANT, THE RED BOX OUTLINES WHERE THE OUTDOOR SEATING IS.

KIND OF ZOOMED IN ON THAT PICTURE A LITTLE BIT SO YOU COULD GET A BETTER LOOK AT THAT IN CASE YOU HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO GO BY THE PROPERTY. AND THEN FOR THE PROPOSED PICKLEBALL AREA THAT IS GOING IN AN AREA THAT IS OFF TO THE EAST SIDE ON THE EAST BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY TAKING UP EXISTING PARKING, TAKING UP THE EXISTING PARKING DOES NOT NEGATIVELY, NEGATIVELY AFFECT THEM ON THEIR PARKING CALCULATIONS IN ANY WAY.

SITE PLAN AS YOU KNOW, SUP REQUIRES A SITE PLAN TO BE SUBMITTED.

YELLOW BOX AGAIN. THERE SHOWS WHERE THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA IS.

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WE NOTIFIED 15 ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS. WE'VE RECEIVED NO RESPONSE IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THE REQUEST.

AND JUST A REAL QUICK SUMMARY HERE. IF APPROVED, THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA REALLY DOESN'T CHANGE THE SITE AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.

IT JUST ALLOWS THEM TO USE THAT AREA'S OUTDOOR SEATING. AND THEN THE THIS WOULD BE AN ADDITION TO IF THE PICKLEBALL COURT PORTION IS APPROVED, THIS WOULD BE AN ADDITION TO THE SITE PLAN. IT DOES COMPLY WITH ALL ZONING REQUIREMENTS.

THE SITE PLAN THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED. ONE THING TO NOTE HERE I DIDN'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME DIVING INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE USUALLY THESE TYPES OF USES DON'T AREN'T REALLY MENTIONED. BUT I DID WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THERE IS A GOAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO ENCOURAGE SOCIAL SPACES WITHIN COMMERCIAL NODES.

THERE'S REALLY A BIG DISCUSSION WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE COMP PLAN PROCESS ABOUT WANTING TO ENCOURAGE OUTDOOR SEATING AND OUTDOOR ACTIVITY AREAS WITH RESTAURANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THIS APPLICATION DOES FULFILL THAT, THAT GOAL.

ALSO, AS I OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, IF YOU'VE GOT CONCERNS ABOUT MAYBE HOURS OF OPERATION, LIKE I SAID, THIS DOES STAY UP UNTIL 2:00 A.M.

SO IF YOU WERE TO ALLOW THE OUTDOOR PICKLEBALL AREAS, THEY WOULD HAVE THE SAME OPERATING HOURS.

SO YOU COULD ALWAYS APPLY CONDITIONS TO OPERATING HOURS FOR SPECIFIC USES LIKE PICKLEBALL COURTS.

AND THE APPLICANT DIDN'T PROVIDE US ANY REAL DETAIL ON THE FENCING THAT THEY WERE GOING TO SECURE THE PICKLEBALL AREA WITH.

SO YOU COULD ALSO DO THAT. THE FENCING FOR THE OUTDOOR SEATING IS ALREADY IN PLACE.

IT MEETS TABC REQUIREMENTS. SO THERE'S REALLY NO CONCERN WITH THAT.

BUT LIKE I SAID, NOTHING WAS PROPOSED FOR THE FOR THE PICKLEBALL AREA.

SO SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AND DISCUSS IF YOU WANT TO ADD CONDITIONS TO THAT.

WITH THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW ON WHERE IT SAYS SITE CONDITIONS ON PAGE ONE OF THE STAFF REPORT YOU'VE GOT MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND THEN IT SAYS OPERATING HOURS ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.

I THINK IT WAS JUST A TYPO. PROBABLY SO. YEAH I THINK YEAH.

SO MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY IS 4:00 P.M. TO 2:00 A.M.

AND THEN ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY IS 11:00 A.M.

TO 2:00 A.M. FRIDAY SORRY THE FACT THAT WHERE THE FENCE IS NOW DOES THE CURB AT THE FIRE LANE ALLOW THAT PROPER SETBACK FOR THE FIVE FOOT WIDE WALK AREA? YES. AND IT PROVIDES ENOUGH OF A BUFFER? YEAH.

IT MEETS IT MEETS BOTH TABC AND OUR REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE WE HAVE CITY REQUIREMENTS AS WELL FOR THAT SETBACK.

ARE WE ALLOWED WOULD IT BE IN OUR PURVIEW TO ASK THEM TO SCREEN THAT WITH VEGETATION OR SOME KIND OF TO HARDER FENCING OR BECAUSE WE'VE WORKED ON THAT IN CASES IN THE PAST WITH PLANTER BOXES OR SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST AN OPEN FENCE, IS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE ANY CONDITION WE PUT ON THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN EASILY ENFORCE AND CLEARLY ENFORCE.

I THINK IF YOU WANTED TO SAY THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA NEEDS TO BE SCREENED BY VEGETATIVE BARRIER OF SOME SORT.

I THINK THAT'S EASY TO, FOR US TO ENFORCE. THE.

AND JUST TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THAT, AS I'M RANDOMLY THINKING, THINKING OF THINGS, THE WITH THE NEW COMMERCIAL STANDARDS, WE HAVE ENFORCEMENT ABILITY TO IF LIKE, SAY, IF ANY LIVING PLANT MATERIAL IS DYING, WE CAN ENFORCE THEM TO MAINTAIN THAT AS WELL.

SO WE WOULD HAVE ALL THAT COVERED IN THAT WITH CODE ORDINANCES AND THAT CONDITION.

OKAY. MR. JACOBSEN DOES THE RED WIRE LANE CURBING, I WAS THINKING OF THE CONCRETE THINGS THAT ARE USUALLY AT WHEEL LEVEL, I DON'T THINK I CAN USE A. BY THIS AFTERNOON SO THERE'S NOT A WHEEL STOP THERE BECAUSE THAT'S A FIRE LANE.

SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE A WHEEL THAT'S AN ACTUAL CURB.

BUT IF YOU LOOK WHERE THE HANDICAP PICTURE IS THERE IN THE ZOOMED IN PORTION YOU CAN SEE A WHEEL STOP THERE.

SO WHEEL STOPS WOULD ONLY BE FOR PARKING SPACES.

RIGHT OKAY OKAY. JUST FOR INFORMATION, SINCE THAT'S SEATING AREA IS GOING TO HAVE SOUTHERN AND WESTERN EXPOSURE.

THEY COULD NOT PUT ANY TYPE OF SHADE OR STRUCTURE OVER IT.

IF THEY DID, THEY WOULD HAVE TO FIRE SPRINKLER IT. AND THAT THAT'S COST PROHIBITIVE.

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YEAH, YOU COULD ADD CONDITIONS SPECIFICALLY FOR OUTDOOR SEATING AND CONDITIONS SPECIFICALLY FOR PICKLEBALL AREA.

YES. OKAY. OKAY. YES, SIR. ON THE OUTDOOR SEATING, YOU SAID IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE CITY REQUIREMENTS. IS THERE ACCESS TO IT FROM OUTSIDE? OR YOU HAVE TO GO INTO THE RESTAURANT TO GET ACCESS TO THE OUTDOOR SEATING. AND IF SO, IS THAT GATED PROPERLY? I BELIEVE THERE IS A GATE AND THEY ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE A GATE OUT FRONT.

AND THAT'S FOR MEANS OF EGRESS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO YES, THERE WOULD BE A GATE THERE, BUT THEY COULD DO BOTH. THEY COULD GO IN AND OUT.

THEY COULDN'T TAKE ALCOHOLIC DRINKS OUTSIDE THE GATE AREA, BUT THEY COULD GO OUT.

DID THE APPLICANT INDICATE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE HERE THIS EVENING? THEY WERE NOTIFIED OF THE MEETING AND I THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE HERE THIS EVENING. I DROVE PAST IT A LITTLE WHILE, RIGHT ON MY WAY HERE, AND THERE WERE THREE PEOPLE STANDING OUTSIDE WELL, WE'RE GOING TO WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE WE'LL GIVE IT A LITTLE TIME IN CASE WE HAVE FOLKS FROM SOMEONE ELSE TO SPEAK AT A PUBLIC HEARING.

WE CAN GIVE THAT A FEW MINUTES SO WE CAN DO OUR INTERNAL HERE WITH STAFF IF YOU HAVE I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE STAFF QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO SHOOT THEM MY WAY.

OR IF YOU WANT TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU CAN STILL ASK ME QUESTIONS IN PUBLIC HEARING.

PREFERENCE, SIR? I THINK I JUST SPOKE WITH YOU EARLIER.

AGAIN, I THINK MY QUESTION WAS LARGELY ANSWERED BY.

BY THE PREVIOUS QUESTION IS I'M DEFINITELY GOING TO BE SEPARATING THE APPROVAL OF, OF THE OUTDOOR SEATING VERSUS THE RECREATIONAL AREA, BECAUSE I DO HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH THE OUTDOOR RECREATION AREA.

SO I'LL WAIT TILL THE. THE PUBLIC HEARING TIME.

IS THAT APPROPRIATE? THAT'S FINE. OKAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT THEN IN THAT CASE, IT'S 6:12. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS CASE.

WHICH IS, I THINK, PUD I MEAN, SUP-27.

25 OF THE SCREEN OR THE SCROLLER? [LAUGHTER] YES, BOTH OF THEM.

EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT. HERE WE GO. ALMOST LIKE EVERYBODY WAS ALREADY INTO THEIR VALENTINE CANDY TODAY.

[LAUGHTER] AND JENNIFER, I APOLOGIZE. I HAD A THOUGHT ABOUT BRINGING YOU VALENTINE CANDY, AND I JUST DIDN'T DO IT. ONE OF THE GRANDKIDS ATE IT.

[LAUGHTER] THEY ARE WONT TO DO. WELL, OUR CLOCK HAS RUN.

IT'S 6:13. WE'LL CLOSE OUR PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION AMONGST COMMISSIONERS.

QUESTIONS? THOUGHTS? COMMISSIONER JACOBSEN. OKAY.

I DROVE TO THE LOCATION THIS AFTERNOON. I DO PLAY OUTDOOR PICKLEBALL AND I HAVE A NUMBER OF COMMENTS ON THE FACILITY, AND I THINK SOME OF US HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED THEM.

THE PROPOSED SITE FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURTS IS GOT AN INCLINE OF APPROXIMATELY FOUR FEET FROM THE PROPOSED BEGINNING OF THE COURTS TO THE END OR THE END OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH ABUTS THE POLICE, THE POLICE STATION.

THAT WOULD PRESENT FOR ANY SERIOUS PICKLEBALL PLAYER AN UNPLAYABLE COURT.

IT BASICALLY DOWNHILL. AND ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO PLAY ANY SPORT, PICKLEBALL OR TENNIS, YOU DON'T WANT TO BE PLAYING UPHILL VERSUS DOWNHILL.

SECONDLY, THE COURTS AS PROPOSED WOULD BE FACING EAST AND WEST, AND NOBODY CONSTRUCTS PICKLEBALL OR TENNIS COURTS IN AN EAST WEST ALIGNMENT. YOU CONSTRUCT THEM NORTH SOUTH SO YOU'RE NOT LOOKING INTO THE SETTING OR THE RISING SUN.

I WOULD ALSO PROPOSE THAT ANY. IF WE ANY COMMISSIONERS ARE INTERESTED IN SUCH A SITE, ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS GO OVER AND LOOK AT OUR WHY.

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AND MY CONCERN ALSO IS THAT IF PEOPLE SERIOUS PLAYERS ARE NOT GOING TO BE PLAYING ON THIS COURT, I ASSUME IT WOULD, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE LIGHTED.

IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE LOCKS FOR CONTROL BECAUSE IT WOULD OTHERWISE BE A SERIOUS NUISANCE FOR LOITERING.

SO MY COMMENTS ARE THAT I, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I WILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPROVE IT OR DISAPPROVE IT SPECIFICALLY FOR THESE REASONS, BUT I WOULD CONSIDER IT A FACILITY THAT WOULD NOT BE PLAYABLE.

THANK YOU. FOR THE ANY? COMMISSIONER GALLENSTEIN.

YES THE OVERALL IDEA I LIKE, BUT I'LL TAKE YOU BACK TO 1991.

OKAY. FIRST TIME I APPEARED BEFORE PNC AND THE APPLICANT DIDN'T BOTHER TO SHOW UP.

OKAY? AND THAT'S A THAT'S A PERSONAL PET PEEVE OF MINE.

AND I'LL SAY IT. IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN HAVING SOMETHING CHANGED, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY.

AND I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT WES MADE THAT CLEAR, THAT THEY WERE MORE THAN WELCOME AND SHOULD BE HERE.

AND I'VE NEVER CHANGED MY VIEW ON THAT. AND I WANT TO APPROVE THIS, BUT WITH THE APPLICANT NOT HERE, THAT WE CAN'T ASK THEM QUESTIONS OR SPECIFICS, THAT THEY CAN HEAR THIS DISCUSSION.

I THINK YOU KNOW WHERE MY VOTE IS GOING TO BE. NOT THAT THIS ISN'T A GOOD IDEA, AND AND I LIKE IT, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHY THEY'RE NOT HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF THE CHAIRMAN WANTS TO.

WE WANT TO JUST DISCUSS, GIVE THEM A LITTLE MORE TIME.

MAYBE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS AT 6:30. I DON'T KNOW.

I KNOW YOU'VE ALREADY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I'VE BEEN TO ENOUGH ON THAT SIDE.

PLANNING AND ZONING MEETINGS WHERE THE APPLICANT EITHER JUST DIDN'T THINK IT WAS WORTH THEIR TIME OR WHATEVER.

AND I THINK IT'S WORTH THEIR TIME. AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT DISCUSSED HERE AND SOME QUESTIONS, AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE APPLICANT ANSWER THOSE.

IF I COULD AND.

DENY BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE.

IF YOU WANT TO TABLE, I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

AND, JENNIFER, IF I'M SAYING SOMETHING WRONG, YOU TELL ME, PLEASE, BUT.

OKAY, GOOD. YEAH, I THINK THIS IS A LAND USE, SO IT SHOULDN'T MATTER THE APPLICANT IS HERE OR NOT.

I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, TOTALLY. BUT I WOULD JUST SAY IF THAT IS THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION TO MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, THEN I WOULD SAY TABLE THIS. YOU HAVE OPENED AND CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS REOPEN IT AND THEN TABLE IT THEN.

CORRECT? YES. SO IT'S WHATEVER THE COMMISSION WANTS TO DO.

BUT I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU NOT TO DENY, BASED SOLELY ON THE FACT THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE.

THAT'S PROBABLY A BAD PRECEDENT TO SEND ANYWAY CHAIRMAN, COULD I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS? I'D LIKE TO DO THAT. OR I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY SOMETHING ON THIS REAL QUICK. I THINK YOU CAN TABLE IT, BUT I STILL DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO MAKE THOSE COURTS BE ANY MORE EFFECTIVE BASED ON THIS PLAN. I MEAN, I AGREE, YOU CAN'T PLAY.

YOU CAN'T PLAY THE SPORT RIGHT HERE BASED ON THE WAY THAT IT'S SHOWN TO US.

NOW, IF THERE WAS AN ELEVATION PLAN WITH IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I COULD POSSIBLY GET BEHIND THE PICKLEBALL PIECE.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE OUTDOOR SPACE, YOU KNOW, THE LITTLE PATIO AREA.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT A GREAT IDEA. I THINK THEY COULD PUT SOME UMBRELLA TABLES OUT THERE AND CAN MAKE THAT REALLY NICE.

BUT I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE PICKLEBALL COURTS IN GENERAL.

I MEAN, I JUST DON'T YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A COGENT DECISION ON WHETHER THESE ARE EVEN GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE PLAYED, [LAUGHTER] YOU KNOW. SO I HAVE A I HAVE A THOUGHT.

WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO TABLE THIS ITEM.

I THINK BEFORE WE DO THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO INCLUDE THAT.

LET'S SPEND A MINUTE AND SEE IF WE'RE GOING TO ANNOUNCE TO THE APPLICANT THAT WE'VE TABLED THIS ITEM, BECAUSE PNC HAS A LIST OF QUESTIONS. AND HERE'S SOME OF THEM THAT WE NEED CLARIFICATIONS AND MORE DETAIL ON BEFORE YOU BEFORE WE PUT THIS BACK ON THE AGENDA.

AND WHEN STAFF TELLS US THAT THEY HAVE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS WE'VE ASKED, THEN WE'LL RESCHEDULE IT.

I THINK THAT MIGHT MEAN SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES GETS US TO WHERE.

BECAUSE IF THEY COME I MEAN, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, JUST.

I THINK IF WE WERE GOING TO HANDLE IT THAT WAY, WHICH IS WE CAN DO I WOULD JUST HAVE TO RENOTIFY IF I WAS GOING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. I WILL SAY TO, TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN VOICED.

THIS IS THIS IS A SITE PLAN. IT'S A LAND USE.

IT REALLY IS A LAND USE APPLICATION. IN TALKING TO THE CITY ENGINEER WHO HAS REVIEWED THE SITE PLAN,

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SO THINGS LIKE DRAINAGE AND GRADING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SHE PROBABLY SHARES SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS, BUT THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE PERMITTING WHERE SHE WOULD GET ALL THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED.

NOW, IF THE COMMISSION WANTS A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL TO ANSWER THE LAND USE QUESTION PERFECTLY.

PERFECTLY OKAY FOR YOU TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS. I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE THAT MAKE SURE WE ALL UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.

THIS IS LAND USE APPLICATION. DO WE LIKE THE LAND USE HERE? IF WE DO, THEN THE PERMITTING PROCESS COMES NEXT WHERE WE ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP.

I DON'T THINK. I SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY. BUT I DON'T THINK BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO TABLE THIS, IF WE TABLE THIS, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US AT THIS POINT ARE REALLY READY TO DO ANYTHING TO IT EVEN LOOKS LIKE AN APPROVAL OF THE PICKLEBALL COURTS WITH THE INFORMATION THAT'S IN FRONT OF US. UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, I DON'T THINK WE'RE WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN A POSITION THEN AND WE CAN.

SO I THINK THAT IF WE HAVE A SECOND TO THE TABLE.

MOTION TO REOPEN REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO A SPECIFIC DATE. OH, YES. YEAH. SO IF YOU'RE THINKING THAT YOU WANT TO GIVE, IF YOU'RE THINKING YOU WANT TO GIVE STAFF SOME, SOME QUESTIONS TO GET THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER.

I GUESS YOU CAN TABLE. YOU CAN OPEN, REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TABLE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING.

AND I CAN JUST COME BACK AT THAT POINT AND SAY THE APPLICANT DID.

DID OR DID NOT GIVE US THOSE ANSWERS. AND YOU CAN TABLE IT AGAIN.

WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO THAT IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT.

WELL, OR THIS ISN'T. IN DUE CONSIDERATION. AGAIN, COMMISSIONER GALLENSTEIN'S THOUGHT ABOUT APPLICANTS NOT BEING HERE.

WE ALSO COULD GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE OUTDOOR SEATING AND NOT APPROVE THE PICKLEBALL AND BE DONE.

YOU COULD DO THAT. YOU COULD. YOU COULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF FOR OUTDOOR SEATING ONLY.

NO OUTDOOR AMUSEMENT. YOU COULD DO THAT. YEAH.

OKAY. MAKES BETTER SENSE FOR THEM TO PUT A BUNCH OF RC CARS OUT THERE AND LET PEOPLE SPEAKERS]. AND NOTHING PREVENTS THE APPLICANT FROM COMING BACK IN THE FUTURE AND ASKING FOR THE OUTDOOR AMUSEMENT.

CORRECT. YES. I SEE IT, I SEE A CLOUD OVER THE GROUP HERE WHERE.

I WOULD GO THROUGH IF THERE'S A SECOND OR NOT SURE, WE HAVEN'T HAD A SECOND YEAH. I JUST IN ALL CONSIDERATION, I BELIEVE THE MOTION HAS DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.

CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION? WES, WHEN YOU'RE MEETING WITH THESE APPLICANTS, I'M.

YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU WELL ENOUGH. I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS DAY, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. THEY KNOW THAT IT'S PROBABLY BEHOOVES THEM TO BE THERE. SO THEY HEAR DISCUSSION, THERE'S QUESTIONS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

AND THIS APPLICANT WASN'T ANY DIFFERENT THAN I MEAN, SO. SO THEY KNEW WHEN IT WAS AND THEY WERE THE ONES THAT PROACTIVELY ASKED SO.

OKAY. THIS IS. I DON'T KNOW IF SOMETHING CAME UP AND THEY JUST COULDN'T BE HERE.

I DON'T HAVE I CAN'T SPECULATE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER JACOBSEN.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WITH RESPECT TO SUP-25-7 THE HUB 2208 CENTRAL DRIVE TO APPROVE THE OUTDOOR SEATING IN THE RESTAURANT AREA AND TO DISAPPROVE OF THE OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL AREA, BETTER KNOWN AS THE PICKLEBALL COURTS. YEAH. OH, AND WITH THE WITH RESPECT TO THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA, ANOTHER CONDITION BEING OUTDOOR SHRUBBERY, RECREATIONAL OUTDOOR SHRUBBERY AS A AS A BARRIER.

VEGETATION SCREENING. THANK YOU. EVERGREEN. EVERGREEN VEGETATIVE SCREENING.

WE GOT THAT, EVERYBODY? WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO APPROVE THE OUTDOOR SEATING.

WITH THE CONDITION THAT THERE NOT BE OUTDOOR AMUSEMENT.

WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE. WE NEED A SECOND. I SECOND IT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. WHO IS THE SECOND? OKAY. THANK YOU. HIDING BEHIND THE TV. YES. SO THAT CASE IS APPROVED FOR OUTDOOR SEATING,

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THAT WAS OUR ITEM FOR TONIGHT. DID WE NAIL THAT DOWN? PICKLEBALL WE HAD TO USE THE WORDS OUTDOOR AMUSEMENT BECAUSE THAT'S THE SUP USAGE IS IN THE CHART.

AND ALSO WHAT'S ON THE APPLICATION. OKAY. BUT AS WES SAID, IF THEY COME BACK WITH, OKAY, INSTEAD OF THAT, LET'S DO THIS, MAYBE WE'LL DO CORNHOLE OR WE'LL DO THIS OR DO THAT IN THAT AREA.

THEN IT WOULD CHANGE THE WHOLE COMPLEXION OF OUTDOOR AMUSEMENT IN THAT SPOT IN A DIFFERENT FORM DID I GET THAT? SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SOUNDS GOOD.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WES IS GOING TO UPDATE US ON EVERYTHING HE'S BEEN DOING.

[UPDATE OF DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS]

THE. WHAT I DID IN THE UPDATE THAT YOU HAVE IS JUST KIND OF FOLLOW UP SINCE SEPTEMBER, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN THAT LONG SINCE I'VE GIVEN YOU ONE.

BUT YOU'LL SEE. THE BEST DRIVING SCHOOL THAT WAS DENIED BY COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER.

THE EIGHT-LINER GAMING AT 3225 HARWOOD WAS DENIED BY COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER 23RD AS WELL.

RENE PARKING LOT EXPANSION, WHICH THAT'S THE 2801 RENE PARKING LOT FOR THE AUTOMOTIVE USE THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL.

STONEGATE SHOPPING CENTER. THAT'S THE OUTDOOR SEATING AND FOOD PAVILION THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER 9TH.

THE MASSAGE SALON AT 813 BROWN TRAIL WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL.

THE MASSAGE SALON AT 727 HARWOOD WAS DENIED BY COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 28TH, FORUM INDUSTRIAL PARK THAT WAS THE TWO WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION CENTERS, WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 10TH, AND THE GAUZY DRIVING SCHOOL THAT AT 3516 WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND THE CEO HAS BEEN ISSUED ON THAT ONE ALREADY SO. YES. THE COUNCIL DENIED BOTH MASSAGE PARLORS.

I'M SORRY YOU. YOU ARE CORRECT. I EVEN THOUGH THE ONE WE APPROVED BECAUSE IT WAS INSIDE.

YES, YOU ARE CORRECT, I DID. I MISSPOKE, I SAW YOUR APPROVAL AND DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE, SO. OKAY AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING ON THE ZONING ORDINANCE. YOU. THE LAST WORKSHOP Y'ALL GAVE US A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK.

I JUST THIS WEEK GOT SOME THINGS BACK FROM THE CONSULTANT.

I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT. BUT THE GAME PLAN FOR THAT IS, THE NEXT TIME YOU SEE IT, YOU'LL SEE A NON REDLINED VERSION, A CLEAN VERSION, AND WE'LL START HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE.

COMMENTS FROM US UNTIL THEN OKAY. AND I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE WORKING ON GETTING AN ASSISTANT.

SO ALL THIS WORK DOESN'T FALL ALL ON YOU. WE'RE WORKING ON IT.

YEAH. [LAUGHTER] WE GOT SOME IDEAS, BUT RIGHT NOW I'M OKAY.

PLANNING RIGHT NOW, TO BE HONEST, THERE'S NOT A TON OF PLANNING APPLICATIONS THAT ARE IN, SO IT'S NOT A TON OF WORK ON THE PLANNING SIDE RIGHT NOW.

JUST HUNDREDS OF PERMITS. WE HAVE A LOT OF PERMITS.

SO YOU KNOW WHERE THE, THE SIREN IS ALL RIGHT EXCELLENT. SINCE IT'S TECHNICALLY ON HERE, DID THE.

DID THE STORE FOR THAT HAS THE INDOOR AMUSEMENT GAMING.

DID IT GET A CEO? I MEAN IT HAD A CEO. IT JUST NEVER OPENED AND IT HAS STILL NOT OPENED.

OKAY. COULD YOU GET FEEDBACK ON IT WHEN YOU HAVE CEO? THEN THEY HAVE TO COME BACK LIKE EVERY YEAR, WE'RE HERE OR. NO.

UTILITY NOTIFIES YOU OR ANYTHING? NO, NO. WE JUST IT'S NEVER I'M JUST FAMILIAR WITH THAT SITE RIGHT NOW AND IT HAS NEVER OPENED.

OKAY. DENIED AND REMEMBER, STATE LAW ALLOWED THEM TO HAVE THREE, NOT FIVE.

SO I MEAN, IT WAS KIND OF THE. I DO NOT YEAH. BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO TELL US? NO, SIR. ALL I NEED NOW IS AN ADJOURNMENT. I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN TONIGHT, FEBRUARY 12TH I SECOND THAT. WE ARE IN FAVOR. WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 6:30.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.