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ROGER. ROGER GALLENSTEIN, PRESENT. DOROTHY CRAWFORD, PRESENT.
KATE BARLOW, PRESENT. TOM JACOBSEN PRESENT. BRUCE EMERY, CHAIRMAN, PRESENT.
DUKE LOPER, PRESENT. JR SMITH, PRESENT. MIKE INGRAHAM, PRESENT.
AARON LEE, PRESENT. THANK YOU, FOLKS, FOR ALL THE COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT TONIGHT.
BUT YOU WON'T BE VOTING MEMBERS THIS EVENING.
HEAVENLY FATHER, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO GATHER TODAY IN SERVICE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
GUIDE OUR THOUGHTS AND OUR ACTIONS TO THE BETTERMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY.
IN KEEPING WITH YOUR WILL. THANK YOU FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND CITY STAFF WHO HAVE PROVIDED US WITH A SAFE AND WELL RUN CITY. GUIDE US IN OUR EFFORTS TONIGHT. JESUS NAME.
AMEN. AMEN. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
MEETINGS TO REVIEW AND CONSIDER APPROVAL. ENRIQUE, DO YOU HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS TO PRESENT TO US? OKAY. ANYONE ELSE FIND ANYTHING IN THESE MEETINGS THAT WE NEED TO REVIEW? THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THESE THREE MEETINGS AS PRESENTED.I'LL SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND.
OKAY. MINUTES FROM THOSE THREE MEETINGS ARE APPROVED.
ENRIQUE, WILL WE HAVE ANY THAT NEED SIGNATURES? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. OUR FIRST ITEM FOR BUSINESS IS TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO
[2. Conduct a public hearing and consider making a recommendation to City Council regarding an amendment to the Bedford Forum Planned Unit Development andto amend the official zoning map to remove the property from the Master Highway Corridor Overlay to allow for the construction of 2 office warehousebuildings on the property legally described as Bedford Forum Addition Block 3R Lot 4R1, commonly known as 2050 Forum Parkway. (PUD-25-2)]
CITY COUNCIL REGARDING AN AMENDMENT TO THE BEDFORD FORUM PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO REMOVE THE PROPERTY FROM THE MASTER HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF 2 OFFICE WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS BEDFORD FORUM ADDITION BLOCK 3R, LOT 4R1, COMMONLY KNOWN AS 2050 FORUM PARKWAY.THIS IS CASE PUD-25-2. TURN IT OVER TO STAFF, MR. ENRIQUE. GOOD EVENING. LONG TIME NO SEE. ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT TO CONSTRUCT TWO OFFICE WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS. AND THIS IS LOCATED RIGHT THERE AT THE CORNER OF FORUM PARKWAY AND PLAZA DRIVE ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE CITY, RIGHT THERE OFF OF US STATE HIGHWAY 121, STATE HIGHWAY 121, AND HIGHWAY 183.
SO, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND IS THAT THE BEDFORD FORUM PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WAS ADOPTED IN 1970, AND IT INCLUDES A LIST OF USES INCLUDING OFFICE, MOTEL, COMMERCIAL, AND INDUSTRIAL.
VACANT AND UNDEVELOPED LAND. SO THE PROPOSAL WOULD ALSO REMOVE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM THE MASTER HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT BASED ON THE PROPOSED USE OF THE PROPERTY AND SOME OTHER SITE DETAILS, WHICH WE'LL GET TO THOSE IN A SECOND.
THE OVERLAY DISTRICT IS THAT BLUE TINT ON TOP OF THAT.
SO YOU CAN KIND OF TELL THE ORANGE UNDERNEATH THAT.
THIS PROPOSAL WOULD REMOVE THE OVERLAY, WOULD REMOVE THE OVERLAY COMPONENT FROM THE PROPERTY, BUT KEEP THE BASE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ZONING ON IT.
AND IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THAT RED BOX RIGHT THERE.
A LITTLE BIT NORTH OF 183, SOUTH OF 121, RIGHT THERE AT THE SPLIT.
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GIVE OR TAKE 1 OR 2 PROPERTIES. BUT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE PUD DEVELOPMENT.IN A MASTER PLAN, DEVELOPMENT. STRUCTURES ARE TYPICALLY 1 TO 2 STORIES IN HEIGHT.
MINIMUM DESIGN STANDARDS ADDRESSING DESIGN AND MATERIALS.
IT'S NEARLY EXCLUSIVELY AUTO ORIENTED, AND PARKING AND FREIGHT ASSOCIATED WITH EACH FACILITY BUT OFTEN DESIGNED FOR THE MAJORITY TO BE PLACED ON THE SIDE OR REAR OF THE STRUCTURE. A SITE PLAN WITH THIS SHOWS WHERE PARKING WILL BE PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED.
BUT YES. SO, THIS PROPERTY IS THE ONE WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING SIGN.
IS THE PROPERTY FACING SOUTH. THE LONG SHOT OF THE PROPERTY VIEW THE SITE FACING SOUTHWEST, VIEW OF THE SITE FACING NORTHEAST AND FACING SOUTHEAST.
SO, IT'S A PRETTY BIG PROPERTY. SO, HERE'S THE SITE PLAN THAT THEY PRESENTED.
CONCURRENTLY AFTER THE APPROVAL OF THE ZONING WILL ACCOMPANY A REPLOT OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH WILL SPLIT THE PROPERTY INTO TWO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WENT WITH THIS SHOW THAT THE PROPERTY CAN STAND ON ITS OWN, BUT CAN ALSO BE SUSTAINED TO EACH LOT LIVING ON THEIR OWN.
SO, THAT'S KIND OF THE EMPHASIS ON NOTATING BUILDING ONE AND BUILDING TWO ARE THE DIFFERENT LOTS.
SO, CLEAR UP ANY CONFUSION. SO, THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WENT ALONG WITH THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT COMPARED TO THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING AND THE OVERLAY COMPONENT RIGHT NOW. SO MAX BUILDING HEIGHT IN THE CITY IS 35FT.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO GO 40, 42.5FT. THERE'S NOT A MINIMUM LOT COVERAGE RIGHT NOW IN INDUSTRIAL ZONING, BUT THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT SECTION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES A MAX OF 40%.
THERE IS A 30 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER IN THE FRONT YARD AREA.
1 CALIPER TREE, (1)3" CALIPER TREE ON 30 FOOT CENTERS AND SHRUBS OR BERMS IN BETWEEN THE TREES.
WHEREAS THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A BERM AND SHRUB COMBINATION OF FOUR-FOOT TOTAL ALONG FORUM PARKWAY WITH NO TREES, APPROXIMATELY 15FT IN DEPTH FROM THE STREET TO WHERE THE BEGINNING OF THE PARKING LOT IS.
AND THE LITTLE ASTERISK AND I WILL GET TO THAT. HOWEVER, THE COMPONENT OF THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER IS INCORPORATED ALONG PLAZA DRIVE WITH THE TREES ON CENTER AND THE SHRUBS AND BETWEEN THOSE TREES.
THE OTHER COMPONENT IS THE PARKING WHERE OFFICE.
WE HAVE TWO USES OFFICE AND WAREHOUSE. OFFICE IS MAINTAINED AT 1 SPACE PER TWO 250FT² FEET.
LESS PARKING NEEDED. AND THE FRONT YARD COMPONENT THEY'RE PROPOSING A 20-FOOT DEPTH.
THERE IS A EXISTING UTILITY LINE ALONG THE STREET, AND SO THE PLACEMENT OF TREES ON THAT WOULD INEVITABLY 15, 20, 30 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD CAUSE PROBLEMS WITH BROKEN WATER LINE.
SO WE'RE GETTING AHEAD OF THAT. AND SO PART OF THAT IS GOING TO BE INCORPORATING A SIDEWALK TO RUN ALONG THE STREET IN A COMBINATION OF A BERM AND A SHRUB, TO THEN MEET THE INTENT OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICT WITH SCREENING THE PROPERTY.
SO HERE, THESE ARE THE TWO LOTS THAT WE'VE GOT IN THERE, SOME MIX OF TREES, MIX OF SHRUBS, GRASS IN THE INTERIOR OF THE PARKING LOT. ALL LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS THAT FELL INTO THE BASE ZONING REQUIREMENTS OR BASE GUIDELINES ARE STILL MAINTAINED.
THESE ARE THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS FOR THE TWO BUILDINGS.
NEARLY IDENTICAL COLOR SCHEMES. NEARLY IDENTICAL HEIGHTS.
SO, 8 ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS ARE NOTIFIED FOR THIS ZONING CASE.
WE RECEIVED ONE NOTIFICATION AND THAT WOULD BE THE ONE THAT WAS PLACED ON YOUR DESK.
BOTH LOTS WOULD BE SUSTAINED AND COULD STAND ON THEIR OWN BASED ON THEIR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ALLOWS FOR GREATER FLEXIBILITY IN PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT, SO CHARACTERISTICS OF BEING ABLE TO JUST REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE.
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SO IT IS NOT A, IT, AN INDUSTRIAL, IT WOULD BE A USE THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED.WHILE YOU'RE ON THIS SCREEN, YOU'VE CONFUSED ME.
YES, I CAN CLEAR. WHAT IS THE UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICT? INDUSTRIAL. INDUSTRIAL. IS THAT AFTER DECISIONS ARE MADE TONIGHT, OR IS THAT WHAT IT SITS AT NOW? SO EACH PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT INCENSE CARRIES SORT OF WHAT UNDERLYING DISTRICT IT WOULD BE.
SO, IT WAS MODIFIED. SO, THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN INDUSTRIAL.
SO ANY SORT OF STANDARDS THAT THEY DID NOT DEVIATE FROM WOULD HAVE FALLEN TO INDUSTRIAL.
SO, IT'S STILL A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. IT'S JUST AMENDING THE STANDARDS THAT GO WITH THAT.
CURRENTLY. YES. SO, ANY SORT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT DOESN'T DEVIATE WOULD FALL TO INDUSTRIAL.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, WITHIN THAT HELP US WITH UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS OF PULLING IT OUT OF THE MASTER HIGHWAY CORRIDOR. WHERE DOES THAT FALL IN THE HIERARCHY OF MAKING THESE DECISIONS AND THE UNDERLYING ZONING FOR THAT? WALK US THROUGH THAT PIECE OF THIS. SO, ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS TO KEEP IT OR PULL IT FROM THE OVERLAY DISTRICT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
IT WASN'T, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT 30-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
BUT THAT'S THE BIGGEST COMPONENT OF WHY IT WASN'T ABLE TO BE KEPT IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T ADHERE TO THAT SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT STANDARD, BECAUSE THAT CERTAIN SITE CONDITION WITH THE TREES WOULDN'T HAVE ALLOWED IT.
SO, WHILE I'M ON THIS BEFORE AND THEN I'LL YIELD MY.
[INAUDIBLE]. IF WE DON'T WANT TO PULL IT OUT OF THE MASTER HIGHWAY CORRIDOR, WHAT HAPPENS? I SEE TWO STEPS IN THIS PROCESS. HELP US WITH THAT.
SO, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK FOR, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK FOR REDESIGN.
MOST LIKELY THE FIRST AFFECTED LOT WOULD BE THAT 4R2 WOULD HAVE TO BE AFFECTED TO SHRINK DOWN CONSIDERABLY TO ALLOW THAT INCORPORATION OF THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT'S CURRENTLY NOT THERE. AGAIN, IT IS A DIFFICULTY, BECAUSE THAT DEVELOPMENT STANDARD REQUIRES THOSE TREES TO BE PLANTED, BUT THE PRACTICALITY OR THE REALITY OF THOSE TREES JUST CAN'T BE PLANTED THERE FOR DAMAGING FUTURE WATER OR WATER LINES IN THE FUTURE.
OKAY, LET ME TRY TO CLEAR SOMETHING UP. EXCUSE ME.
SORRY. LET ME JUMP IN REAL QUICK AND JUST CLEAR UP A, I THINK I KNOW WHERE THE CHAIRMAN'S GOING AT, SO I JUST KIND OF WANT TO GIVE A REAL BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF ALL THE OVERLAYS THAT WE HAVE ON THIS PROPERTY. SO, THIS PROPERTY IS, AS ENRIQUE SAID, IS A PUD, WHICH IS AN OVERLAY ON THE EXISTING ZONING.
SO, WE ALREADY HAVE. SO, YOU HAVE A BASE ZONING OF INDUSTRIAL WITH A PUD OVERLAY.
SO THAT WAS DONE IN THE 1970S, RIGHT? THEN WHEN THE CITY DECIDED TO CREATE THE MASTER CORRIDOR OVERLAY, THEY PUT ANOTHER OVERLAY ON TOP OF THAT. SO, WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY THREE ZONINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH RIGHT NOW.
IF IT WAS P&Z'S PLEASURE THAT THEY DID NOT WANT TO REMOVE THE PROPERTY OUT OF THE OVERLAY, THEN WHAT WE'D HAVE TO DO IS WE'D HAVE TO TABLE EVERYTHING TONIGHT AND GO BACK WITH THE APPLICANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROPERTY COMPLIED WITH THE OVERLAY STANDARDS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T. DOES THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION? THAT HELPS. AND ENRIQUE IS RIGHT. I MEAN, THE REASON, THE JUSTIFICATION.
AND I'LL LET THE APPLICANT GO INTO MORE DETAIL, BUT THE JUSTIFICATION FROM OUR END ON HAVING THE CONVERSATION ABOUT REMOVING IT OUT OF THE OVERLAY WAS THAT THEY, THAT WATER LINE THAT'S THERE AND THEY'RE WANTING TO MAXIMIZE, OBVIOUSLY THE SITE THAT THEY, AS MUCH AS THEY CAN FOR BUILDING AREA. WE UNDERSTOOD THAT.
BUT IF YOU COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, WE WANT TO KEEP THE OVERLAY AND WE WANT TO KEEP THOSE STANDARDS, THEN WHAT THAT ESSENTIALLY MEANS IS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REDUCE THEIR BUILDING BACK ENOUGH TO MAKE ROOM FOR THOSE TREES IN THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
AND THAT'S THE DECISION THAT, THAT'S REALLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST DECISIONS YOU'LL HAVE TONIGHT. OR THE RE INDEX OF THE DIRECTION OF THE BUILDINGS TO ALLOW MORE BUFFER BETWEEN THE. AND YOU CAN DO THAT. TURN IT 90 DEGREES AND USE MORE BUFFER.
AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO DESIGNING THE SITE TONIGHT.
I THINK THE ANSWER, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT TONIGHT, THEN THE ANSWER IS WE WANT TO TABLE THIS AND ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO WORK WITH STAFF IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE OVERLAY DISTRICT STANDARDS ARE MET.
AND THAT'S A SIMPLE THING. SO, WHILE YOU'RE HERE. OKAY.
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BECAUSE. FROM A LANDSCAPE STANDPOINT? FROM ANYTHING, WE DON'T SEE THE TERMS OF PUD WHEN IT WAS SET UP.NO, I MEAN THAT PUD AGAIN, 1970, THEY DIDN'T PUT A WHOLE LOT OF DETAILS INTO THINGS.
OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I'M DONE. I'VE GOT, I JUST WANT TO REPHRASE.
MAYBE SIMPLIFY, OR MAYBE NOT SIMPLIFY. WHAT CHAIRMAN WAS SAYING.
SO IF WE APPROVE THE PUD WITH THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT OVERLAY THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT AS IT'S, AS IT STATES IN THERE. SO, WE WOULD ACCEPT EVERYTHING IF WE ACCEPT THE PUD.
IT'S GOT THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT OVERLAY ASSOCIATED WITH THE NEW PUD.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT. SO, WE'RE DONE.
AND THE ONLY OTHER CHOICE WOULD BE TO REJECT AND GO ALONG THE PATH THE CHAIRMAN WAS SUGGESTING I.
YES AND NO. SO, I THINK WHAT, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IF YOU'RE HAPPY WITH THE WAY THE SITE IS DESIGNED TONIGHT, THEN YOU WOULD JUST MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, POINT BLANK.
IF YOU WANT THE SITE TO COMPLY WITH THOSE LANDSCAPE STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY, THEN THAT'S WHERE YOU NEED TO TABLE THE ITEM.
THANK YOU. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU KNOW, WE RECEIVED THIS APPLICANT FROM THIS MR. WALKER. HAS STAFF HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM AS AN ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNER OR, IT'S JUST A LETTER THAT WE RECEIVED.
THAT IS THE. I BELIEVE HE'S THE ONE THAT OWNS THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST.
THE. NO. HE'S THE ONE THAT OWNS THAT. NOT THE CHURCH BUILDING, BUT THE L SHAPED BUILDING.
I CAN'T POINT TO IT, BUT HE'S ONE OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS TO THAT.
THAT'S. IT'S THE L. YEAH. YEAH. SO. BUT THAT'S THE EXTENT OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD.
THEY'VE POPPED IN EVERY NOW AND THEN TO ASK ABOUT THE STATUS AND SEE WHERE THIS IS GOING.
BUT THAT'S THE EXTENT OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THEM.
I BELIEVE WE ROOTED. DID Y'ALL AT ONE POINT TALK WITH THEM OR DID SOMEBODY TO Y'ALL RIGHT? SO, WE'LL. YEAH, WE'LL LET THEM DISCUSS THAT.
SO, ENRIQUE COME, SINCE YOU HAVE THIS SCREEN UP HERE.
SO, YOU'VE GOT THE RED LINE THAT DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO 183.
IS THAT OTHER PART. WE GOT CONFLICTING PICTURES HERE I THINK, OR MAYBE NOT.
IS THAT NOT PART OF THIS PROPERTY. NO, THAT'S SEPARATE.
SO, PART OF IT WOULD BE A PLOT WITH THE PROPERTY, BUT THAT WOULD COME LATER ON.
OKAY. BUT THAT'S THE CURRENT SITE OUTSIDE OF THE PLOT.
OKAY, BECAUSE WITH THAT LITTLE FINGER COMING DOWN, SOME OF THESE DRAWINGS DON'T EXACTLY.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO 183. OKAY.
GOTCHA. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. IT IS 06:18. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM.
ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK TO US ON BEHALF OF THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD, INCLUDING THE APPLICANT. I'LL COME BACK TO THAT.
ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CAMERON EHN.
I AM WITH CLAYMOORE ENGINEERING. WE'RE AT 3231 HARWOOD STREET, JUST RIGHT UP THE ROAD.
WE ARE THE CIVIL ENGINEERS ON THE JOB AND ARE HELPING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT.
ENRIQUE PRETTY MUCH COVERED A GOOD CHUNK OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE PROJECT, BUT GOING AHEAD AND, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAYBE TOUCH ON A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS HEARING QUESTIONS FROM YOU GUYS ABOUT.
AS FAR AS WHERE THE LANDSCAPING, WE'LL SAY DEVIATIONS ARE GOING TO OCCUR.
IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE JUST ALONG FORUM.
THANK YOU. SO JUST ALONG FORUM PARKWAY THERE, WE ARE STILL INTENDING ON MEETING THAT, THE PLANTING, AT LEAST FOR THE TREES ALONG PLAZA.
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THERE. AS HE MENTIONED THERE IS AN EXISTING UTILITY EASEMENT.IT'S A 15 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT THAT RUNS INSIDE OUR PROPERTY ALL ALONG THE FRONTAGE THERE, AND THERE ARE ACTIVE UTILITY LINES IN IT. SO TO GET THE FULL BENEFIT OF THAT LANDSCAPE, IF WE WERE GOING TO ADD IT, BASICALLY WE'RE LOSING AN ADDITIONAL 15FT ON TOP OF THAT LANDSCAPE EASEMENT.
AND SIMILARLY, WE CAN KIND OF MAKE SOME ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT HOW THINGS HAVE DEVELOPED AROUND THERE.
IF YOU CONTINUE DOWN TO, I GUESS, SOUTH TO THE LEFT HERE OF YOUR SCREEN WHERE THE CHURCH IS, THERE'S LITTLE TO NOTHING PLANTED ALONG KIND OF ALL ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF FORUM THERE YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF ORNAMENTALS, IT LOOKS LIKE, IN FRONT OF THE PARKING LOT FOR THE CHURCH THERE.
AND ALL OF THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHERE THAT UTILITY LINE IS AND TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT WITHOUT CAUSING LONG TERM MAINTENANCE FOR THOSE. SO, ONE OPTION WE POTENTIALLY THROUGHOUT WAS CAN WE PUT THE TREES JUST WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY AS OPPOSED TO ON OUR PROPERTY? THE ISSUE THERE WAS STILL WAS SPACING REQUIREMENTS BETWEEN BACK OF CURB, STILL NEEDING TO GET A SIDEWALK THERE AND THEN STILL HAVING AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF ROOM FOR ALL THOSE TREES THERE AND STILL KEEPING THEM AWAY A SAFE DISTANCE FROM THOSE UTILITY LINES. SO, BETWEEN THAT, WE KIND OF JUST KEPT SHRINKING BACKWARDS FURTHER THERE.
AND TO ADD ONE MORE HARDSHIP. THE GRADING ON THE SITE, IT ACTUALLY FALLS OFF PRETTY QUICK, SO FORUM ACTUALLY, THAT TOP LEFT CORNER REPRESENTS THE HIGHEST POINT ON THE SITE.
AND THEN IT CONTINUES TO DROP PRETTY MUCH STRAIGHT WHERE IT SAYS PLAZA DRIVE ALONG THE ROADWAY THERE, IT DROPS ABOUT 12FT, I BELIEVE. 12 TO 14FT. AND SO, THERE'S A GOOD AMOUNT OF GRADE CHANGE THAT'S OVER THERE.
BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, SINCE THE SITE'S GOING TO BE SET LOWER I WOULD SAY THERE'S A INHERENT BUILT IN SCREEN, IF YOU WILL, IN THAT THE SITE, THE CARS, THE PARKING, ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO NATURALLY SIT LOWER THAN THE ROAD AS IT IS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE PROPOSING A SMALL BERM THERE TO RAISE UP SOME SMALLER SHRUBS AND ORNAMENTALS TO GET THEM THAT LITTLE EXTRA OOMPH, IF YOU WILL. AND THEN WE'RE JUST PLANNING AN OVERABUNDANCE OF THEM ALONG THAT NORTHERN FRONTAGE THERE.
SO, IT'S, ONCE IT'S ALL GROWN IN AND THERE YOU IT WILL.
AND LIKE I SAID, IN ADDITION TO THAT ELEVATION CHANGE, THAT'S ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL WHAT I'D SAY FUNCTIONING AS AN ADDITIONAL SCREEN FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE, SO. AS FAR AS LANDSCAPING, ALL THE REST, AS THEY MENTIONED, WE ARE MEETING ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
THAT'S THE AREA THAT WE WERE PRESENTING A ALTERNATIVE METHOD WE'LL SAY FOR ALONG THAT SIDE AS IT SPEAKS TO PARKING WE ARE KEEPING THE OFFICE PARKING THE EXACT SAME.
THE PRIMARY REASON FOR SWITCHING ON THE WAREHOUSE SPACE IS THE INTENDED USE.
AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN JUST THROUGHOUT TIME, HISTORY AND USES OF THESE IS 1 TO 1000 USUALLY GROSS WOULD BE THE AVERAGE FOR ALL USES. EVERYTHING FOR SQUARE FOOT FOR THESE BUILDINGS.
AND THAT'S JUST BASED ON GENERAL, I GUESS YOU'D SAY INDUSTRY STANDARDS.
THAT'S A GOOD RULE OF THUMB. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY ABOVE THAT.
IF YOU JUST LOOK AT IT AT STRAIGHT 1 TO 1000.
BUT OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO PROVIDE PLENTY OF PARKING FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN AND PUT IN OFFICE SPACE IF THEY WANTED, AND THEY'LL HAVE EMPLOYEES AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S PARKED AT A HIGHER RATE.
AND SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO MODIFY THAT RATE SO THAT WE WERE MEETING THE HIGH INTENSITY USE THERE.
AND THE 1 TO 2000 IS LOOKING AROUND THE METROPLEX, IF YOU WILL, LARGER CITIES SUCH AS, SAY, FORT WORTH DON'T HAVE ANY PARKING MINIMUMS AS IT RELATES TO INDUSTRIAL.
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DALLAS ACTUALLY JUST RECENTLY ABOLISHED ALL PARKING MINIMUMS FOR ALL USES ACROSS THE CITY.ANOTHER CITY I'VE DONE SOME WORK IN RECENTLY WAS HALTOM CITY, THEY ALSO DO NOT HAVE ANY STRICT SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENTS, IT'S MORE BASED OFF THE USE KIND OF, AS I WAS MENTIONING WITH OFFICE SPACE AND MAKING SURE YOU'RE PROVIDING ENOUGH SPACE TO MEET THAT CRITERIA.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING IN THE METROPLEX AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN THESE BUILDINGS GET USED FOR, AND THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT'S BEEN NEEDED FOR THOSE, THE TYPICAL USERS THAT WOULD USE THIS TYPE OF BUILDING, THIS TYPE OF SIZE OF BUILDING AND SITE. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE OPTED, I SAID TO GO FOR JUST THAT, BUT STILL VERY MUCH ADHERING TO THAT OFFICE SPACE REQUIREMENT.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHAT KIND OF FUN? A LITTLE PIECE HERE.
I KNOW WITH BUILDING HEIGHT, THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS ADJUSTED.
THAT IS A FUNCTION OF WHAT WE CALL CLEAR HEIGHT.
AND THAT REALLY IS A GOES INTO HOW THE END USER IS GOING TO STACK AND STORE WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN THERE. THERE ARE FAIRLY STANDARDIZED HEIGHTS AND SIZES FOR STACKING OF PALLETS.
AND A LOT OF THAT, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE VERY REGIMENTED AND STANDARDIZED.
AND SO THAT, HAVING TO MAINTAIN THE LOWER 35 ACTUALLY TAKES OUT SOME OF THOSE TYPICAL USES.
AND SO BY ALLOWING THOSE ADDITIONAL EXTRA FEET THERE, IT GIVES MORE USERS THE ABILITY TO COME IN AND UTILIZE THIS SPACE AND HELPS IT FROM A MARKETABILITY STANDPOINT FOR THE CLIENTS AND ENSURING THAT THE SPACE IS FILLED AND PROVIDING THAT ECONOMIC BENEFIT FOR YOU GUYS.
SO KIND OF WITH THAT SAID, I KNOW THAT'S A THAT'S A LOT.
SO, I SAID, AS I MENTIONED, IT IS DIFFICULT SITE, BUT WE'RE PLEASED WITH WHAT WE PRESENTED.
SO OKAY. MY FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE, SO I PRESUME YOU ARE VERY FAMILIAR AND COMFORTABLE WITH DESIGNING THESE OFFICE COMPLEXES, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM. SO IS THE 42-FOOT, IS THAT ALWAYS STANDARD? I WOULD SAY THAT IS FOR TO GIVE YOU THE MOST FLEXIBILITY FOR ALL USERS.
YES. THAT IS GOING TO BE A PRETTY STANDARD. I MEAN, IF WE WANT TO NICKEL AND DIME 6 INCHES OR A FOOT HERE, BUT YES, THAT IS A STANDARD HEIGHT. AS FAR AS THAT WAREHOUSE PROJECTS, NINE OUT OF TEN HAVE BEEN 42FT.
THIS ISSUE HASN'T ABOUT HEIGHT, HASN'T COME UP WITH OTHER CITIES? NO, TYPICALLY WHAT I'D SAY IS IN INDUSTRIAL ZONED AREAS A LOT OF IN OTHER CITIES, INDUSTRIAL AREAS DON'T HAVE ANY MAXIMUM HEIGHTS. OR THEY'RE UP IN THE 50S OR 60S FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN.
NOW, THERE ARE CERTAIN STANDARDS SOMETIMES WHERE, HEY, IF THIS WAS RIGHT NEXT TO A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOME, THERE'S, THAT'S WHEN YOU GET A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH IN, HEY, PUSH THE BUILDING BACK FURTHER IF YOU WANT IT TO GO TALLER SO YOU CAN KEEP THAT ADDITIONAL PRIVACY. BUT FORTUNATELY FOR US, THIS IS ALREADY IN A BUSY BUSINESS AREA WITH SOME INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE AND AROUND IT JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO I DON'T BELIEVE WE'LL RUN INTO THAT ISSUE HERE.
OH. GO AHEAD. JUST SOME GENERAL QUESTION. SO THIS IS YOU'RE JUST DESIGNING A SPEC WAREHOUSE, YOU DON'T HAVE A CLIENT IN MIND? I DON'T BELIEVE SO AT THE MOMENT.
THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. NO. NO SPECIFIC USER AT THIS MOMENT.
YOU'RE NOT DESIGNING FOR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO, WE'RE NOT.
SO IT WON'T BE ANYTHING OUTSIDE. OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IN THAT ONE, SO. AS I WAS LOOKING AT IT ON THE FIRST BUILDING, LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOT 19 OR 20 BAYS AND THE OTHER 14.
YES. SO I'M ASSUMING THESE WOULD BE FOR TYPICAL CLASS C 72-FOOT TRACTOR TRAILERS MOSTLY.
YES. SO WELL, 53-FOOT TRAILER PLUS YOUR, THAT CAB.
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BUT YES, THAT'S, IT WAS DESIGNED THAT WAY. AND THEN ENSURING TURN RADII AND APPROPRIATE DISTANCES WERE WORKED INTO THAT.AND SO, YOU WOULD OBVIOUSLY, WOULD NOT HAVE A, ANY IDEA OF WHAT THE THROUGHPUT WOULD BE, INBOUND VEHICLES, OUTBOUND VEHICLES KIND OF THING. SO, WE'VE DONE AN INITIAL LOOK BASED ON, WE'LL SAY, WHAT ARE TYPICAL STANDARDS THAT ARE RELATED TO JUST TYPICAL STANDARDS FOR USE BASED ON WAREHOUSE SPACE.
AND ACTUALLY, MARA, WITH ENGINEERING DID ASK AND REQUIRE US TO SUBMIT A TRAFFIC LETTER TO HER THAT WE DID WITH THAT INFORMATION, SHE REVIEWED IT AND ALLOWED US TO PROCEED, SO.
YEAH, THE ONLY CONCERN I SEE IS THERE'S A NURSING HOME TO THE NORTH, NORTHEAST, AND THESE ARE LARGE VEHICLES ARE GOING TO BE 72FT IN LENGTH, 80,000 POUNDS. TYPICALLY, THAT'S THE MAXIMUM.
JUST SO THERE'S NOT NO REACTION FROM THE NURSING HOME TO THE NORTH.
I TAKE IT THEN THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY AWARE OF TODAY, NO.
OKAY. AND THE RADII FOR THE TURNING ACCESS FOR ALL THE ROADS ONTO THE ACCESS ONTO PLAZA DRIVE.
AND IF IS THERE ANTICIPATED THAT VEHICLES WOULD TRY TO ACCESS 183 OR 121? SO, RIGHT NOW, JUST THE WAY THE CURRENT CIRCULATION WOULD WORK IF YOU WERE COMING FROM THE SOUTH END YOU WOULD EXIT UP THE STREET HERE AND YOU WOULD ALREADY BE ON THE ACCESS ROAD.
AND SO, THE EASIEST, MOST DIRECT PATH WOULD BE FROM PLAZA DRIVE.
SO THEY WOULD COME THAT DIRECTION. IF THEY WERE COMING FROM A 121 TRYING TO COME THAT WAY, THEY WOULD END UP EXITING YOU TURNING AROUND KIND OF WHERE THE TRYING TO REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE ROAD RIGHT THERE.
I KNOW THERE'S QT ON ONE SIDE. BUT THEY END UP U TURNING GOING BACK NORTH ON 121 AND COMING DOWN REGENCY WAY, WHICH IS JUST OFF TO THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN THERE.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT THEY'D TAKE A LEFT AND THEY'D HAVE THE OPTION OF COMING IN OFF FORUM.
ALTHOUGH THE WAY WE DESIGNED IT, THE INTENT IS THAT ALL TRUCK TRAFFIC WOULD COME OFF OF PLAZA, AND SO THEY WOULD COME TO THAT CENTRAL LOCATION ON PLAZA.
AND THEN THAT'S WHERE THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE WOULD BE FOR ALL THE TRUCKS THERE.
OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION. SO, YOU BELIEVE THE TRUCKS COMING FROM AND LEAVING THE PROPERTY, BOTH OF THEM WOULD USE PLAZA? YES. CORRECT. GO AHEAD.
THAT DOESN'T SIT WITH ME REAL WELL WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A BIG EFFORT.
OKAY. IN THE LAST FEW YEARS TO IMPROVE THINGS IN THIS CITY.
WELL, PART OF THAT BEING A CHURCH THAT WAS A MOVIE THEATER.
SO I WOULD APPROACH IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. I WOULD RATHER SEE YOU GIVE A PRESENTATION THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DOING THIS IN X CITY AND IT'S REALLY NICE RATHER THAN PRESENT IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
AND THEN I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS FOR THIS GENTLEMAN SINCE HE SAID HE MET WITH THE GENTLEMAN THAT SENT US A LETTER, BUT WE'LL WAIT FOR HIM TO COME UP. SO I'M JUST GIVING YOU MY PERSONAL TAKE ON IT.
SURE. AND IF I MAY, THE INTENT WAS MORE TO SAY NOT A JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE, BUT AS JUSTIFICATION FOR HEY, WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS NOT OUT OF THE ORDINARY AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS SEEN OTHER PLACES.
OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS HAVE THE CHOICE ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT THAT'S WHAT HOW YOU GUYS WANT TO ACT.
THE INTENT WAS SIMPLY TO SAY THAT THAT'S JUSTIFICATION AND HELPING SHOW THAT OTHERS DO ACCEPT THAT AS THERE, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S JUST. I'M LOOKING FOR EXCELLENCE, NOT MEDIOCRE.
DOES THAT SUM IT UP PRETTY WELL? OKAY, I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.
CAN I GO BACK TO THE TRUCKS? SORRY. YES. I WAS CONCERNED THAT MAYBE SOME OF THE TRUCKS EXITING WOULD TAKE A LEFT ON FORUM AND THEN TAKE A RIGHT ON REGENCY AND HOP ON TO 121 RIGHT THERE WHERE THAT EXIT IS AND I JUST DIDN'T KNOW.
DID THE TRAFFIC OF THE CITY EXPERT LOOK AT THOSE CURVES CORRECT, APPROPRIATE FOR TRUCK TRAFFIC?
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AND I GUESS I WOULD ALSO WARN THE CITY THAT THERE'S SOME BEAUTIFUL TREES IN THE MEDIANS OF ALL THESE ROADS THAT WILL NEED TO BE MAINTAINED IF A LOT OF 18 WHEELERS ARE GOING THROUGH THERE, BECAUSE THAT'S A SIDE ISSUE, NOT YOUR PROBLEM.BUT I JUST, I WAS, I WOULD EXPECT THAT SOME WOULD EXIT HOP RIGHT ONTO 121 GOING NORTH.
I DON'T KNOW WHY EVERYONE WOULD GO ON PLAZA. IT WAS MORE YOU CAN STILL GET TO 121 THERE BY GOING ON THE ACCESS ROAD, TAKING A RIGHT, AND THEN, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF AN AWKWARD U-TURN TO GO RIGHT OVER THERE ANYWAYS.
AND AS YOU MENTIONED, JUST WITH TURNING RADII, I, I'VE LOOKED AT STUFF AROUND THERE.
I KNOW THE ONE THAT'S CLOSEST AT THAT INTERSECTION RIGHT THERE IS CERTAINLY WIDE ENOUGH FOLLOWING YOUR TYPICAL ROADWAY STANDARDS, YOU'RE ALMOST NATURALLY GOING TO MEET THOSE, IS WHAT I'D SAY.
BUT I BELIEVE THEY'LL GO OUT PLAZA AND COME ALONG THE ACCESS ROAD JUST BECAUSE THAT'S THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE, IF YOU WILL. AND ONCE AGAIN, KIND OF WE WERE DESIGNING WITH THAT IN MIND, SO EVERYTHING BEING OFF PLAZA KIND OF HELPS DIRECT PEOPLE THAT DIRECTION, SO MOST OF THE TRAFFIC SHOULD BE COMING FROM THE ACCESS ROAD UP THAT DIRECTION AND THEN BACK OUT THE ACCESS ROAD TO GET WHERE THEY WANT.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING REAL QUICK.
IF WE REDUCED THE SIZE HYPOTHETICALLY, I KNOW WE WERE TALKING WES KIND OF HIT ON THIS.
THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE TABLED AND MOVED ON TO ANOTHER TIME.
BUT IF YOU REDUCE THE SIZE OF BUILDING ONE, THAT WOULD BRING IT BACK FROM THE STREET, WHICH WOULD ALLOW SUFFICIENT ROOM FOR THE SCREENING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, CORRECT? AND THE ONLY THING YOU'RE REALLY LOSING IS SQUARE FOOTAGE, BECAUSE BUILDING NUMBER TWO IS ACTUALLY, WHAT 20,000FT² LESS? APPROXIMATELY. YEAH. ROUND NUMBERS. SO, AND THAT WOULD BE KEEPING WITHIN THE MASTER HIGHWAY PLAN.
THE POD PLAN AND THE INDUSTRIAL PLAN. CORRECT.
AND SO, WE REALLY WOULDN'T HAVE MUCH TO DEBATE.
IS THAT. AM I RIGHT ON THAT OR AM I READING THAT WRONG? I MEAN, SURE, THERE'S YOU. JUST ANSWER THAT REAL QUICK. YES, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO ACCEPT THE SITE PLAN AND APPROVE THE SITE PLAN.
BUT YES, THE MASTER HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE AT THAT POINT.
PERFECT. COULD YOU TELL US WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO YOUR PLAN IF YOUR BUILDING BECAME SMALLER? WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCE OF THAT? I GUESS AT A FACE VALUE.
WELL, LESS SQUARE FOOTAGE. AND THEN FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT ON, DOES THIS DEAL MAKE SENSE BASED ON ALL THE OTHER FACTORS ON, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A FAIR AMOUNT OF LARGE DETENTION SPACE THAT WE'RE ALSO REQUIRED TO PROVIDE ON THIS SITE THAT'S ALSO EATING UP SPACE THERE. IN ADDITION TO DEALING WITH THE SEVERE AMOUNT OF TOPOGRAPHY CHANGE THAT'S THERE.
SO, I THINK IF YOU AT FACE VALUE, IT REDUCES SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THEN THERE'S A COST PER SQUARE FOOT.
GENERALLY, WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR PRO FORMAS AND THINKING OUT, WHAT IS MY RETURN ON INVESTMENT GOING TO BE? SO, I THINK AT THIS POINT WITH THIS ONE, IT WAS FAIRLY TIGHT.
AND WE'VE BEEN, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, WE DID START BIGGER AND WE'VE WORKED OUR WAY BACKWARDS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. SO I KNOW IT'S TIED ON GETTING THINGS TO WORK, BUT I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE SPECIFIC OF THE FINANCES.
BUT THAT WOULD BE THE DIRECT, IMMEDIATE CAUSE, WE'LL SAY.
WOULD THERE BE SOME CUSTOMERS THAT JUST WOULDN'T BE INTERESTED? I MEAN, SOME CUSTOMERS WANT THIS SIZE. I KNOW, I'M PROBABLY SPEAKING OUT OF TURN.
I KNOW THAT THAT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON WHO YOU'RE ABLE TO MARKET TO THAT.
INITIALLY WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS, CAN WE ROTATE THE BUILDING THE OTHER WAY? DUE TO KIND OF THE UNIQUE SHAPE HERE AND THAT DRASTIC GRADE CHANGE, THERE WAS NOT A GOOD WAY TO, WE'LL SAY, MANEUVER THE BUILDING AROUND. THE INTENT WAS TO GET ONE LARGER BUILDING, BUT TO TRY AND DEAL WITH THE GRADE AND MAKE IT JUST FEASIBLE AND PROVIDE ROOM FOR YOUR DETENTION. THAT'S WHERE I CAME UP WITH THE IDEA TO KIND OF SPLIT, AS WELL AS A WAY TO KIND OF PROTECT THAT TRUCK AREA SHIELD THAT MORE FROM THE ROAD AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
SO WE KIND OF THOUGHT THAT WHAT WE WERE PRESENTING WAS SHOWING THE LEAST AMOUNT OF THE LEAST PRETTY PARTS OF THE BUILDINGS TO BOTH THE CHURCH, AS WELL AS THE STREET, SO. OUR FORUM AND PLAZA DRIVE, ARE THEY ASPHALT? THEY'RE ASPHALT ROADS NOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE UNDERLYING BASE THAT THEY WERE IN THE, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY WERE IN THE HIGHWAY
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CORRIDOR, BUT ARE THEY, THERE SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TO HANDLE THE SEMI TRAFFIC AND THINGS? YES. SO TYPICALLY YOUR AVERAGE CITY ROAD IS GOING TO BE DESIGNED TO HANDLE A VAST AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF YEARS, JUST NORMAL LIFE. SO YOUR AVERAGE STANDARD OF THAT WILL BE MORE THAN SUFFICIENT FOR THAT SORT OF WORK.AND THEY'RE DESIGNED FOR FIRE TRUCKS. BUT YEAH.
THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS AROUND DUMPSTERS, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE YOU GET HIGHER POINT LOADS WHEN THEY'RE LIFTING IT UP, SO. ALL I SAY, WE ARE NOT ANTICIPATING HAVING TO REDO ANY OF THE ROADS AROUND THERE.
WE BELIEVE ALL OF IT IS SUFFICIENT IN ITS EXISTING CONDITION.
OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. YEAH. I'LL YIELD SOME MORE TIME TO THE MAYOR.
I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD TO WHAT HE SAID. MY NAME IS ERIC HAWK.
I'M WITH ARCHWAY PROPERTIES. IN TERMS OF THE BUILDING SIZE, IT REALLY IS THERE.
THERE WOULD BE DEMAND FOR CUSTOMERS FOR SMALLER BUILDINGS.
THE ISSUE REALLY IS THE VIABILITY, THE FINANCIAL VIABILITY OF THE PROJECT.
THIS HAS, IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT SITE. THEY DID A REALLY, IN MY OPINION, AN AMAZING JOB OF FITTING WHAT THEY FIT IN HERE IN A VERY LOW IMPACTFUL WAY LIKE ESTHETICALLY AND JUST THE WAY TRAFFIC FLOWS.
AND TRYING TO MAINTAIN EVERYTHING LIKE THE DETENTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PULL THE SITE PLAN UP, BUT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY YOU KNOW, WE TRIED TO MAINTAIN SEPARATION OF CARS AND WHERE TRUCKS WOULD GO, SO, REALLY THE. AND YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DETENTION AREA.
AND SO THAT'S JUST UNDEVELOPABLE TO US. SO IT, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT CAMERON SAID ALSO ABOUT THE GRADING, WE DID LOOK AT DOING A DIFFERENT DESIGN WITH ONE BUILDING.
AND UNFORTUNATELY THE GRADES WOULDN'T ALLOW FOR THAT, SO WE BROKE IT UP INTO TWO BUILDINGS AND THEN TURNED THEM INSIDE. SO YOU, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE SERVICE COURT AREA IS THE LEAST VISUALLY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU, WE, I THINK WE'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF KEEPING THAT, YOU KNOW, LIMITING THE, THE VIEW CORRIDORS TO THAT.
WE ALSO HAVE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF, I DON'T THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, BUT A LOT OF COORDINATION WITH STAFF ON LANDSCAPING TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, WE COULDN'T MEET IT IN THAT ONE LOCATION FOR THE REASONS WE TALKED ABOUT, BUT WE SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED LANDSCAPING IN ALL THE OTHER AREAS.
I THINK WE LIKE WHATEVER TREES WE COULDN'T PUT THERE.
WE ACTUALLY ADDED TREES THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY AND WE PUT A FULL HEDGEROW BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND THE CHURCH THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE HOW LARGE THAT WILL GROW TO, BUT, I MEAN, WE PUT WE PUT PLANT MATERIAL IN HERE THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME, GROW TO A FAIRLY HIGH HEIGHT.
THESE BUILDINGS, I MEAN, LIKE, THIS IS WHAT I DO.
I MEAN, I COULD SHOW YOU AN EXAMPLE OF A PROJECT THAT WE JUST DID IN IRVING.
VERY SIMILAR. I MEAN, IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN VERY WELL RECEIVED.
IT'S RIGHT ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD OF 114. VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING HERE.
NOT THE SAME SIZE. [INAUDIBLE] WHAT'S THAT? THE MILESTONE.
YEP. YEAH. YEAH. THE MILESTONE PROJECT. THAT'S OUR DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE DID WE DID A 45,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THERE IN A 75,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, AND THE 75,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING HAS BEEN LEASED TO A VERY HIGH END PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEY'RE PUTTING, I MEAN, MILLIONS AND MILLIONS INTO THEIR, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THEIR TECHNOLOGY AND CLEAN ROOMS AND THINGS.
SO, WE'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CERTAINLY A DISTRIBUTION ASPECT, BUT YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH ALL THE MANUFACTURING AND EVERYTHING THAT'S COMING BACK. AND WE'RE JUST SEEING GROWING IN OUR, AND PARTICULARLY IN DFW, YOU'RE GETTING A LOT MORE HIGH SKILLED TYPE COMPANIES THAT, THAT REALLY NEED THIS SPACE. SO I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, NOTHING IS LIKE, IT'S HARD TO MAKE EVERYTHING PERFECT.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE TRIED REALLY HARD TO KEEP OUR REQUEST TO A MINIMUM.
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AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO HEARING.I MEAN, WE WANT THIS TO BE A SOMETHING YOU ALL ARE PROUD OF AND FEEL GOOD ABOUT FOR YOUR, YOU KNOW, CITIZENS HERE. BUT THIS IS A, WE'VE SPENT MONTHS TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT I THINK REALLY CAN FIT IN THIS LOCATION AND BE A NICE ASSET FOR THE FOR THE CITY. DO YOU KNOW HOW TALL THE MILESTONE BUILDING IS? SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FOUR BUILDINGS IN THAT DEVELOPMENT.
THEY'RE REALLY, REALLY THE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC.
SO, WE HAVE CLEAR HEIGHT WITHIN THE BUILDINGS.
AND THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE LIKE AT 4-FOOT INCREMENTS IS WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
SO, IT COULD BE LIKE 28, 32, 36, 40 AND THEY GET TALLER AS THE BUILDINGS GET BIGGER.
OKAY, SO THAT FRONT BUILDING HAS A 28-FOOT CLEAR HEIGHT, BUT IT PROBABLY HAS A SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A 35 AND A 40-FOOT BUILDING HEIGHT BECAUSE IT'S JUST THE WAY THE JOISTS ARE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A PARAPET ON TOP. THAT'S PART OF IT.
WE HAVE THIS PARAPET THAT SCREENS THE ROOFTOP UNITS.
WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT BUILDING HEIGHTS HERE. THE BIGGER BUILDING IS A 32-FOOT CLEAR HEIGHT BUILDING, AND THE SMALLER BUILDING IS 28. THE 28 IS PROBABLY CLOSE TO THE 35-FOOT HEIGHT, AND I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. THE BIGGER BUILDING, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD PREFER IT TO BE A 32-FOOT CLEAR HEIGHT.
NOT ALL TENANTS NEED THAT, BUT SOME OF THEM DO.
AND SO, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A SPECULATIVE PROJECT.
SO, WE'RE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE FLEXIBILITY FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT CUSTOMERS MAY NEED.
BUT YEAH, WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T TECHNICALLY NEED THAT 42 FOR BOTH BUILDINGS.
BECAUSE I'M SURE THE SMALLER BUILDING IS LESS.
BUILDINGS ARE VERY ATTRACTIVE. THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE WAREHOUSES, RIGHT? SO, IS THAT THE SAME? WE ARE, WE ARE DESIGNING TO A VERY SIMILAR.
IT'S, WE'VE WORKING WITH A DIFFERENT ARCHITECT.
SO, THEY, YOU KNOW, EVERY ARCHITECT, YOU KNOW, HAS KIND OF THEIR STYLE AND WHAT THEY'VE SEEN.
BUT THAT PROPERTY, I WOULD SAY I JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT THEM SIDE BY SIDE.
I MEAN, WE DEFINITELY TRIED TO CREATE A SIMILAR TYPE DESIGN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENCES, YOU KNOW, AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE CAN LOOK AT DIFFERENT COLORS AND I MEAN, LIKE, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY ON AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT YEAH, I WOULD SAY THOSE ARE PROBABLY. HONESTLY BECAUSE OF THE FRONTAGE ON 114, I MEAN, WE PROBABLY SPENT A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE ON THE DESIGN FOR THAT BEING ON THAT FRONTAGE ROAD.
BUT I THINK THESE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, EQUALLY NICE.
AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE ALLOWED FOR WHAT REALLY IS ATTRACTIVE IS WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE, LIKE THE GLASS STOREFRONTS AND THOSE THINGS.
SO THESE ARE LIKELY SINGLE TENANT BUILDINGS GIVEN THE SIZE OF THEM.
BUT WE'VE DESIGNED THEM TO WHERE WE CAN HAVE MULTIPLE TENANTS.
SO WE'VE PUT THOSE STOREFRONT ENTRIES ON BOTH SIDES SO YOU GET MORE GLASS.
SO THAT IS I WOULD VIEW THAT AS KIND OF A MORE UPSCALE DESIGN THAT WE'RE SPENDING MORE MONEY TO, TO GIVE IT THAT LOOK, EVEN THOUGH WE PROBABLY WON'T USE IT.
YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT YOU HAD TALKED TO THIS, MR. WALKER. YES. DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT I CAN? YEAH. HE, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BUYING THIS FROM THE CHURCH.
THEY OWN THE PROPERTY. JOHN WILSON IS LIKE, I GUESS THE BUSINESS MANAGER THERE.
I THINK AT ONE POINT THIS TRIED TO GO THROUGH A ZONING FOR TOWNHOMES MAYBE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, IF YOU ALL REMEMBER THAT OR NOT.
BUT HE'S THE PERSON I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH. MR. WALKER DOES IS APPARENTLY THE OWNER OF THAT ADJACENT OFFICE BUILDING.
YOU KNOW, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT SOME CONCERNS I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT.
SO, I CALLED HIM AND I HAD A, I DON'T KNOW, A 30-MINUTE CONVERSATION WITH I DID NOT MEET HIM IN PERSON, BUT I DID TALK TO HIM, AND I THINK HE HAD ALREADY GOTTEN SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS FROM ENRIQUE.
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SO, HE HAD THAT AND WE TALKED THROUGH IT. HIS MAIN CONCERN WAS HE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, HE DIDN'T NECESSARILY WANT TRUCKS DRIVING RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIS BUILDING. AND, YOU KNOW, I EXPLAINED TO HIM, I MEAN, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE AERIAL, IT WON'T BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS SAID EARLIER.I MEAN, HIS BUILDING, I'LL JUST WALK OVER HERE.
SO, HE'S RIGHT HERE. THIS EXIT, THERE'S A DIVIDED MEDIAN RIGHT HERE.
I MEAN, TRUCKS COULD COME OFF OF THERE ANYWAY, BUT THERE'S NO WAY THEY CAN.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE PULLING INTO HIS PARKING LOT OR EVEN EVEN COMING UP FORUM PARKWAY HERE.
IF THEY EXIT HERE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO AROUND AND COME BACK AROUND THIS WAY.
THE LIKELY ENTRANCE IS EXITING OFF OF INDUSTRIAL COMING THROUGH THE LIGHT AND THEN COMING THIS WAY.
SO HE I THINK HE WAS I ONLY HAD THAT ONE CONVERSATION.
I DID EXPLAIN THAT WE'RE NOT DEVELOPING THIS.
THIS PROPERTY WILL STAY UNDEVELOPED. BUT, YOU KNOW, I, HIS MAIN CONCERN TO ME WAS, WAS TRUCKS.
AND I EXPLAINED THAT I DON'T THINK TRUCKS ARE GOING TO BE ANY IMPACTFUL TO HIS.
OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR, VERY MUCH. CAN I ASK HIM A QUESTION? SURE. JUST BECAUSE, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO 42 FROM 35.
YES. SOMEONE TO ASK US. SO WHEN PEOPLE BUILD THESE 42-FOOT-HIGH BUILDINGS, DO THEY DOUBLE UP ON THE OFFICE? SO THERE WILL BE LIKE TWO STORIES OF OFFICE TO MAXIMIZE THEIR SPACE? USUALLY NOT. USUALLY NOT. SOMETIMES YOU'LL SEE MEZZANINE.
WE USUALLY, I HAVEN'T. GOLLY, IT'S BEEN I'VE DONE THAT BEFORE.
USUALLY IT'S I MEAN, THIS IS VERY NICE OFFICE SPACE.
YOU KNOW, WHAT I'VE SEEN US BUILD AND YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL SINGLE LEVEL OFFICE SPACE.
AND THESE TYPE COMPANIES, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL NEED A TYPICAL OFFICE WAREHOUSE, USUAL NEEDS, USUALLY BETWEEN LIKE 1500 AND 3000FT² OF OFFICE.
AND IT'S FAIRLY, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY SIMPLE. THANK YOU SIR.
SURE. MR. CHAIRMAN. I NEED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SORRY. JUST HERE FOR ANY OTHER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IT'S 6:53. WE'LL CLOSE OUR PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU.
THAT WAS ONE OF MY PRINCIPAL CONCERNS. THE SECOND ISSUE THAT I HAVE, STILL HAVE IS THE WAREHOUSE BUSINESS INDUSTRY IN TARRANT COUNTY AND IN ALL OF DFW IS VERY COMPETITIVE.
SO MY CONCERN WOULD BE NOT TO MAKE ANY OR MAJOR ADJUSTMENTS TO YOUR PLAN.
I AM SATISFIED WITH WHAT I SEE. AND WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2, PUD-25-2. OFFICE WAREHOUSES, 2050 FORUM PARKWAY BE APPROVED.
I SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND.
THOSE OPPOSED? PASSES 6 TO 1. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.
THANK YOU, FOLKS, FOR YOUR CANDID ANSWERS AND INFORMATION.
LOOKS PRETTY EXCITING. ONE THING I WAS GOING TO SAY IS THAT NOW THAT WE'RE AT THIS POINT, THOSE WE PROBABLY DIDN'T SPEND ENOUGH TIME TALKING ABOUT THE DETENTION PONDS AS A FACTOR OF LANDSCAPING. AND THAT'S GOING TO MAKE THE FRONT END OF THIS PLAZA DRIVE ENTRANCEWAY LOOK PRETTY NICE.
CERTAINLY GOING TO BE GREENERY, IF NOT SPECIFICALLY LANDSCAPING.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF NICE FEATURES.
SO THAT'S NOW SET BACK EVEN FURTHER FROM THE ROAD.
SO, YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH ALL THE NORMAL STUFF.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING ABOUT YOUR GROUNDBREAKING. THANK YOU FOLKS FOR COMING TO BEDFORD.
APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. I'M JUST LOOKING. THERE'S WHEN PEOPLE DRIVING BY HIS BUSINESS.
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HE'S RIGHT THERE, BRO. HELLO, WES. HELLO. SORRY WE CAUSED YOU OVERTIME.IT'S OKAY. DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM? YES, SIR. DID YOU FORGET ABOUT THAT ONE? NO, NO, NO.
I BROUGHT MY NOTEBOOK. OH, GREAT. I WISH, I WISH.
YES. I KNOW, I KNOW. SO, LISTENING TO IT AGAIN.
OKAY. SO WES, JUST BEFORE WE START, JUST I'LL TAKE A DEEP BREATH.
AND NOW THAT WE'VE ALL GOT TO VISIT WITH EACH OTHER AGAIN, HOW DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS? WITH WHISKEY. BY YOU ADJOURNING AND WE ALL GOING HOME? NO. I THINK THE EASIEST WAY. I MEAN, I THINK WHAT I'VE GOT HERE, WE CAN DO THIS FAIRLY SIMPLY.
[3. Receive an update on Module 1 of the Zoning Ordinance Re-Write, discuss, and provide comments accordingly.]
BECAUSE REALLY, AND I'LL JUST JUMP INTO IT. AND WE DIDN'T REALLY EVEN READ THE AGENDA ITEM.BUT THIS IS RECEIVE AN UPDATE ON MODULE 1 AND PROVIDE STAFF COMMENTS.
SO, WHAT I THOUGHT I WOULD DO IS JUST KIND OF GIVE VERY BRIEF OVERVIEWS, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THREE CHAPTERS THAT YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING AT. I KNOW ALL OF YOU'VE READ IT, YOU'VE MEMORIZED IT, YOU'VE ENJOYED IT. ESPECIALLY THESE FIRST TWO BECAUSE THEY'RE REAL FUN.
BUT SO WHAT I THOUGHT I WOULD DO IS GO IN AND TALK ABOUT REAL BRIEFLY THE FIRST TWO CHAPTERS AND THEN DIVE INTO SOME THINGS IN CHAPTER THREE, BECAUSE CHAPTER THREE IS WHERE WE START TALKING ABOUT LAND USE CHARTS, AND THAT'S WHAT TELLS US WHAT USES CAN GO IN WHAT DISTRICTS.
AND THERE'S SOME CHANGES IN THIS DOCUMENT THAT I WANT YOU ALL TO BE AWARE OF.
AND I JUST WANT US TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. I THINK IN OUR PAST WORKSHOPS, WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING DISTRICTS AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF TALKING ABOUT THE LAND USE CHART.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WANT TO FOCUS ON TONIGHT. I WILL BREEZE THROUGH HERE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, CHAPTER ONE IS WHAT IT IS.
IT'S, I DEEM IT PROBABLY. IT'S WHERE JENNIFER GOT REALLY EXCITED AND MARKED A LOT OF THINGS UP.
BUT IT'S TITLE PURPOSE REALLY SAYS WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HOW WE'RE DOING IT.
IT'S THE AUTHORITY GIVES US JURISDICTION. KIND OF THE WHO DOES WHAT, WHERE, WHEN AND HOW.
AND THEN EFFECTIVE DATE TRANSITIONS. YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE ADOPTING A NEW ZONING ORDINANCE, WE'VE ALREADY GOT PROPERTY THAT'S ZONED OUT THERE. SO THERE'S A TRANSITIONAL PERIOD. AND WHAT'S THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY CHAPTER ONE DOES. IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING, IF I'M GOING THROUGH THIS AND FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME OR DO WHATEVER.
THE, IT REALLY STARTS TALKING ABOUT THOSE NEW ZONING DISTRICTS AND THOSE NEW ZONING DISTRICTS ARE BASED OFF OF THE MASTER PLAN, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, OUR FUTURE LAND USE AREAS.
SO IT ESTABLISHES BULK REGULATIONS. WHEN I SAY BULK REGULATIONS, I MEAN SETBACKS, BUILDING HEIGHTS, THINGS THAT WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT TONIGHT. IT ALSO ESTABLISHES REGULATIONS FOR CREATING PUDS, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS. VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO RIGHT NOW.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CHANGES THAT WE INTERJECTED INTO THIS ORDINANCE, ONE BEING THAT YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY A BASE ZONING DISTRICT. WE KIND OF DO THAT NOW, BUT WE'RE NOT.
I'LL USE THE EXAMPLE TONIGHT. AND HERE YOUR CHANGES ON THE INDUSTRIAL THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DO.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE'RE ESTABLISHING IN THAT NEW PUD THAT IS DIFFERENT AND I THINK YOU ALL WILL APPRECIATE IS THAT PUDS ARE SPECIAL, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE DOING A PUD, IT'S BECAUSE YOU CAN'T COMPLY WITH OUR OTHER REGULATIONS.
SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING APPLICANTS TO DO IS PROVIDE A DOCUMENT THAT SHOWS IF YOU WERE TO COMPLY WITH OUR REGULATIONS, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, SO THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO COMPARE TO.
SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE APPROVING A PUD, YOU CAN SAY, YEAH, THIS PLAN IS BETTER, WE WANT TO DO THIS, SO. AND THEN WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS, I THINK, ABOUT AMENITY SPACES AND WHAT THAT MEANS AND KIND OF WHERE THAT CAME FROM OUT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. BUT THAT'S CHAPTER TWO.
ANY QUESTIONS ON CHAPTER TWO BEFORE I JUMP INTO THE FUN THINGS.
I HAVE JUST A COUPLE. PLEASE. JUST THINGS TO CLARIFY.
IN ONE OF OUR SESSIONS, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANTED TO.
ANYBODY WANTED TO DO AWAY WITH THE MASTER HIGHWAY CORRIDOR THAT'S IN HERE ON PAGE 11.
IT IS. ANYTHING MORE WITH ANYTHING MORE WITH THAT.
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SO WHAT WAS DECIDED BASED ON THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO LEAVE IN THE PROHIBITED USES AND THE RESTRICTED USES IN THE OVERLAY, BUT THAT WE WERE GOING TO LET ALL THE OTHER DESIGN REQUIREMENTS GO AWAY AND REPLACE THOSE WITH DESIGN REQUIREMENTS SO THAT, BECAUSE FOR INSTANCE AND I'LL USE.BUT THE IDEA THERE IS THAT NOT THAT WE'RE GETTING RID OF REQUIREMENTS.
IT'S BECAUSE THE THE OVERLAY DISTRICT RIGHT NOW IS IT.
IT GIVES US OUR BEST DESIGN REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE. WE DON'T HAVE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE OVERLAY. THE GOAL WITH THE NEW ZONING ORDINANCE, AND THAT'S COMING IN MODULE TWO, IS THAT WE WILL HAVE THOSE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS ACROSS THE CITY, SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED THEM IN JUST THE OVERLAY.
SECONDLY, ON THAT SAME THING, THE STONEGATE OVERLAY.
ARE THOSE BOUNDARIES NOW FIXED. DOES IT GO ALL THE WAY TO 183 AND BEDFORD ROAD, OR ARE WE TWEAKING THE BOUNDARIES OF THE STONE GATE OVERLAY? I HAVE A, I HAVE KIND OF A SLIDE ABOUT OVERLAYS JUST IN GENERAL.
BUT WE WOULD, RIGHT NOW THE WAY THE OVERLAY DOCUMENT IS WRITTEN.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING I WANT TO TALK TO BRIAN AND KINAXIS ABOUT BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY DEFINE IT, I THINK THE WAY IT NEEDS TO BE DEFINED. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO TO DO IF WE DECIDE WE WANT TO ADOPT THOSE OVERLAY STANDARDS IN THIS ZONING ORDINANCE, OR WE CAN ALWAYS AND I APPRECIATE WHAT KENNY IS TRYING TO DO.
WE MAY BE TAKING ON MORE THAN WE CAN CHEW AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
SO WE MAY DECIDE, YOU KNOW WHAT ON THESE OVERLAY DISTRICTS, LET'S WAIT.
LET'S GET THE ZONING ORDINANCE DONE, AND THEN LET'S COME BACK AND DO OVERLAY LATER.
IT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DECIDE AND WE CAN HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT. I KNEW IT WAS KIND OF AN OPEN QUESTION. IT IS, YES. AND THEN I'M GOING TO ASK ONE MORE THING HERE. GOOD.
SO, AS WE GO INTO CHAPTER TWO OVER ON TABLE 2.2 WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE ESSEN DISTRICT.
YES. THERE'S A LITTLE SPOT ON THERE WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT LOT STANDARDS.
AND IT SAYS MINIMUM 8500. INCORPORATING OUR EXISTING SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD ZONES. WHAT HAPPENS TO ANYTHING THAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED 7500? WELL, MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHAT HAPPENS? I THINK A BETTER WAY TO ASK THAT QUESTION, IF I CAN, IS WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT 8500FT² IN SIZE.
OKAY, GOOD. BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF THOSE AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT.
BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY ESSENTIALLY BECOME NONCONFORMING LOTS.
AND WHAT THAT ALSO MEANS IS THAT THANKS TO OUR WONDERFUL STATE LEGISLATURE, THERE'S NEW LAW.
IS THAT JUST YOU OR IS IT BULK REGS AS WELL? IT'S ACTUALLY.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'LL STOP FOR A WHILE. NO, YOU'RE GOOD, YOU'RE GOOD.
WE CAN DO THIS HOWEVER Y'ALL WANT TO. I CAN, WE'RE HERE ALL NIGHT.
LET'S MOVE ON TO THREE. I KNOW ONE, I'VE BEEN BLACKMAILED.
ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S JUMP INTO WHAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT.
AND Y'ALL MAY NOT BE CONCERNED AT ALL. OH, LET ME BRING YOU UP WITH THE CHAIRMAN BROUGHT UP, AND I KIND OF ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS TONIGHT WITH ZONING AND OVERLAYS, BUT THESE OVERLAYS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, IT'S JUST REALLY WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. MR. CHAIRMAN, THE, RIGHT NOW WE'RE ADOPTING THE PROPOSED DOCUMENTS HAVE TWO DIFFERENT OVERLAYS IN THEM.
ONE AND I PUT THIS UP HERE. LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT I PUT THIS UP HERE FOR.
IT IS. IT'S EVERY PROPERTY HAS ZONING ON IT. THE MAP ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN.
IF YOU SEE THAT BLUE AREA, WE'VE KIND OF RUN THAT BLUE AREA THERE.
THAT IS THE MASTER HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY. SO KIND OF WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER.
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SO SOME PROPERTIES HAVE JUST ZONING, BUT THEN THOSE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE THAT BLUE SHADING HAVE AN OVERLAY ON TOP OF IT.SO AS WE TALK ABOUT THESE STONEGATE DISTRICTS AND BEDFORD COMMONS AND ANY OTHER OVERLAYS THAT ARE TALKED ABOUT IN THE MASTER PLAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING AN OVERLAY ON TOP OF THEM, SIMILAR TO THE MASTER HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY.
SO, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS IS TAKEN RIGHT OUT OF THE COMP PLAN.
IF YOU LOOK THE COMP PLAN RECOMMENDED THREE DIFFERENT OVERLAYS, ONE BEING BEDFORD COMMONS OVERLAY, THE SECOND ONE BEING MEADOW PARK. WE KNOW WE'RE NOT TOUCHING MEADOW PARK BECAUSE SCHOOL DISTRICT OWNS THAT PROPERTY AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT SCHOOL DISTRICT IS DOING WITH IT. SO WE'RE JUST WE DECIDED ALREADY A LONG TIME AGO WE WOULD NEVER TOUCH MEADOW PARK OVERLAY.
THAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES IN TO DEVELOP IT.
AND THEN NUMBER THREE IS STONEGATE. AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DECIDE.
AND WE DON'T DECIDE IT TONIGHT. BUT SOMETHING TO START THINKING ABOUT IS DO WE WANT TO DO THOSE OVERLAYS AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE DOING THE ENTIRE REST OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE? WHAT KINAXIS HAS DONE WITH THOSE OVERLAYS, THEY'VE PUT IN SOME REGULATIONS.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE BEST THING. BECAUSE I DON'T, WHEN I THINK OF STONEGATE, I DON'T THINK OF IT MEETING THE SAME VISION THAT BEDFORD COMMONS HAS. SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT, AND I'M GLAD THE CHAIRMAN ALREADY BROUGHT IT UP.
BUT THE OVERLAYS WERE SOMETHING THAT I'M PROBABLY GOING TO BE TALKING TO KINAXIS ABOUT, SAYING, WE PROBABLY NEED TO EITHER PAUSE THAT OR WE NEED TO TAKE THOSE OUT FOR THE TIME BEING. I COULD SEE US ADDRESSING THOSE AFTER THE CODE IS DONE.
SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT OVERLAYS, HOW THAT WORKS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IS THAT CLEAR AS MUD OKAY. SO CHAPTER THREE, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S THE EXCITING PART.
AND WHAT I WANTED TO TRY TO DO IS BECAUSE I KNOW ALL OF YOU ARE FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH OUR ZONING ORDINANCE AS IT IS, AND YOU UNDERSTAND THE LAND USE CHART. YOU'VE GOT ALL THE ZONING DISTRICTS AT THE TOP OF THE CHART.
AND THEN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, YOU'VE GOT ALL THE PERMITTED USES THAT WE ALLOW IN THE CITY.
AND THEN IT SAYS WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED, IF THEY'RE ALLOWED WITHIN SUP, IF THEY'RE ALLOWED LIMITED USES, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. SO, SOME THINGS THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IN THIS LAND USE CHART ARE SOME OF THOSE MORE POPULAR USES THAT WE TALK A LOT ABOUT HERE IN BEDFORD.
I, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE LET'S I'LL JUST THROW ONE OUT.
WELL, LET'S JUST JUMP INTO IT. LET'S LET'S NOT EVEN DELAY IT ANYMORE.
LET'S TALK ABOUT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. SO WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN IS, IS KIND OF A VERY QUICK SUMMARY OF THE WAY THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE CURRENTLY READS.
AND SO WHEN I FIRST SAW THAT, AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT ONE OF OUR LAST WORKSHOPS WITH THE CONSULTANT, AND I KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE SAID, WELL, ANY ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, I WANT IT TO GO THROUGH AN SUP.
I HAVE CONCERN ABOUT THAT. AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN.
WHAT THIS SAYS IS THAT THE, ANYTHING THAT'S ON A LOT BIGGER THAN 10,000FT² IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
IT STILL HAS TO MEET SOME REQUIREMENTS, BUT IT'S ALLOWED AND YOU WOULD NEVER HAVE TO APPROVE IT.
I TALKED TO STAFF WHEN I WAS PUTTING SOME OF THIS TOGETHER, AND ONE.
AND THIS MAY SHOCK YOU TO BELIEVE IT. SOMETIMES OUR RESIDENTS ARE NOT ALWAYS HONEST WHEN THEY PUT, WHEN THEY COME IN FOR BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATIONS, AND THEY MAY, THEY VERY COMMONLY WILL SAY, WE'RE JUST PUTTING A STORAGE SHED OUT THERE. AND SO THEY GIVE US PLANS FOR JUST A BASIC TUFF SHED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN THEIR BACKYARD, WHICH NO ONE CARES ABOUT, RIGHT. AND THEN OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR STARTS GOING OUT TO DO BUILDING INSPECTIONS, AND IT'S GOT PLUMBING, IT'S GOT ELECTRICAL, IT'S GOT BATHROOMS, KITCHENS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN THERE. AND WE HAVE TO STOP IT.
AND THEN TWO, IT'S GOING TO EVEN DELAY THAT PROCESS EVEN MORE.
IF YOU STILL WANT TO SEE IT, THAT'S FINE. I'M JUST TELLING YOU, BE READY FOR SOME PACKED AGENDAS.
CAN WE WORK, AS YOU WORK THROUGH AND STAFF WORKS THROUGH THIS ADU, PUT ENOUGH KIND OF DETAIL IN IT
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TO WHERE IN ORDER TO JUST GET THE PERMIT, IT ELIMINATES SOME OF THAT.WE CAN. ADMINISTRATIVELY FIX THIS. ABSOLUTELY.
WE CAN. WHAT I WOULD WANT TO KNOW FROM YOU ALL, AND THIS GOES BACK TO THAT CONVERSATION, IF YOU WANTED TO SEE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT ON ADUS, WHAT SPECIFICALLY WOULD YOU BE LOOKING AT? WHAT WOULD YOU CARE ABOUT? BECAUSE WE HAVE WE HAVE SOME SIZE LIMITATIONS ALREADY ON THERE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN REGULATE STAFF. IT'S EASY FOR STAFF TO REGULATE SIZE REGULATIONS.
WE HAVE THAT. IT REQUIRES AN ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACE ON THE PROPERTY, SO THAT'S EASY TO REGULATE.
AGAIN, THAT'S EASY TO REGULATE. BESIDES THOSE ITEMS, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE WITH AN SUP? I WAS GOING TO ASK WHY DO WE WANT TO? BUT ALL THIS STUFF YOU JUST MENTIONED, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE NEW STUFF, RIGHT? YES. AND THE ONLY REASON I THINK I'LL JUST BE CLEAR IS THE ONLY REASON WE EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT MAYBE WE WANTED TO SEE IT IS BECAUSE SIX MONTHS AGO WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY REGULATIONS FOR ANYTHING.
THAT'S CORRECT. IF YOU CAN WRITE THEM IN TO WHERE THERE'S ALREADY REGULATIONS OR REQUIREMENTS, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO SEE IT. BUT BEFORE WE THOUGHT WE MAYBE WANTED TO SEE IT JUST TO SAY, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT? AND IF THAT'S WHAT IT IS THAT'S EASY.
I MEAN AGAIN, I CAN, ALL THOSE THINGS I LIST ADMINISTRATIVE WISE I CAN DO.
WE WOULD WANT TO SAY, YOU GOT TO DO THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS AND THIS, AND YOU CAN'T DO THIS AND THIS.
BUT IF YOU CAN ALREADY DO THAT, WE DON'T HAVE TO TOUCH IT.
WOULD IT BE SOMETHING? WOULD IT POSSIBLY BE WORTH THINKING ABOUT DOING IT IN THIS COMMITTEE? ONLY IF THERE'S A DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN WHAT YOU GUYS SAY AND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE COULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS WHERE YOU GUYS ARE LIKE, YES, NO, BASED ON WHATEVER.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE JUST GOING TO TAKE IT AND GO, OKAY, THAT'S FINE. BUT IF THEY WANT TO HAVE THEIR MOMENT, WHATEVER THAT MOMENT LOOKS LIKE, WOULD THAT BE THE POINT WHERE MAYBE IT WOULD COME TO THIS GROUP? SO THERE'S TWO WAYS YOU CAN DO THAT, BECAUSE ONE, I HAVE TO BUILD IT INTO THE LAND USE CHART.
SURE. SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT I'VE GOT TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
BUT TO YOUR POINT, IF I'VE GOT AN APPLICANT OR A PROPERTY OWNER THAT IS DISAGREEING WITH MY INTERPRETATION OF THE ORDINANCE, THEY CAN APPEAL MY INTERPRETATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
OKAY. HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, YOU KNOW. SO FAR, I'VE BEEN RIGHT.
BUT THE DEAL IS, THAT THEY CAN APPEAL THAT. IF THEY DON'T LIKE, IF THEY AGREE WITH ME.
AND I JUST BROKE MY PEN. IF THEY AGREE WITH ME, AND.
BUT THEY STILL DON'T LIKE THE ORDINANCE, THEY CAN ALSO ASK FOR A VARIANCE. YES.
RIGHT. YES. SOME OF IT. SOME OF IT. IT JUST. YEAH, SO WHAT JENNIFER'S SAYING IS THAT AGAIN, OUR LEGISLATURE SOMETIMES LIKES TO TELL US WHAT TO DO.
AND THEY'VE IN SOME INSTANCES THEY'VE ALLOWED IT BY RIGHTS.
OKAY, POSSIBLE EXTRA WORKLOAD DEPENDING ON HOW WE HANDLED IT.
IS THAT KIND OF DEMAND THERE TODAY, OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE? I, WE HAVE A DECENT DEMAND RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, I WILL TELL YOU WHAT, 4 OR 5 THIS YEAR WE'VE PROBABLY DEALT WITH.
OKAY. RIGHT, OFFICIALLY. AND THEN THAT DOESN'T COUNT THE ONES THAT TRY TO SNEAK IN AFTERWARDS.
ARE THEY LOCATED IN A PARTICULAR PART OF TOWN OR ARE THEY.
ALL OVER. ALL OVER. OKAY. AND I CAN TELL YOU, I WOULD SAY ENRIQUE ANSWERS MORE OF THESE THAN I DO, BUT I WOULD SAY WHAT QUESTIONS I SEE COME IN OVER EMAILS AND ONLINE.
THAT'S PROBABLY THE NUMBER ONE QUESTION. SO PEOPLE ARE CONTINUING TO LOOK AT THIS.
IT'S INCOME PROPERTY AT THAT POINT. YEAH. SO.
SO, ARE WE GENERALLY OKAY? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'RE THINKING TO YOURSELF, WOW, I'D REALLY LIKE TO REGULATE ON AN ADU THAT I HAVEN'T MENTIONED? NOT THAT YOU, I DON'T THINK. NOT THAT YOU WOULDN'T THINK OF. OKAY.
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OKAY. YOU FIX IT. HANDLE IT. THANKS. YEAH. I'M JUST GOING TO PASS IT ON TO ENRIQUE.I'M GOING TO SKIP BUILD TO RENT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CONFUSING.
AND THE OTHER ONES ARE EASIER. SO, LET'S HIT RELIGIOUS FACILITIES.
RIGHT NOW, AS YOU ALL KNOW, ANY CHURCH THAT COMES IN, WE HAVE TO APPROVE IT BY AN SUP.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIG CONCERN WITH THIS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT IT OUT AND HAVE THE CONVERSATION. NOW RELIGIOUS FACILITIES, IF YOU'RE GOING INTO A NON-RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, WHICH THAT'S GOING TO BE ANY OF OUR, IT'S GOING TO BE THE ANY OF THE NEW DISTRICTS SUCH AS. OFFICE. OFFICE, SUBURBAN STRIP, SUBURBAN COMMERCIAL, ANY, ANY OF THOSE.
THEY WOULD JUST COME IN THROUGH A CO PROCESS AND YOU WOULD NEVER SEE THEM.
THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN CURRENTLY TODAY. NOW, IF THEY'RE COMING INTO A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT THEN YOU WOULD SEE THOSE FROM AN SUP STANDPOINT. RIGHT. WE'RE GOOD, WE'RE GENERALLY OKAY WITH THAT? YEP. IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR WORKLOAD OFF BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT YOU SEE SOMETIMES.
WE HAVE VERY LITTLE DISCRETION ANYWAY, RIGHT? AND YOU'RE RIGHT. FEDERAL LAW REALLY DOES LIMIT YOU ON THAT.
THEY ALL SEEM TO BE LESS THAN 50 PEOPLE OR NOT, SO VERY SMALL.
THEY USUALLY ARE SMALL IN THE SHOPPING CENTERS. OKAY.
THIS ALLOWS ANY CAR WASH. IS ALLOWED IN JUST ABOUT ANY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, NON-RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IS ALLOWED WITH A LIMITED USE AS LONG AS WITH THIS ONE CONDITION THAT SPRAYER MIST CANNOT BE CARRIED ON TO RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY.
BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN AT LEAST WORK WITH.
ARE WE OKAY WITH ALLOWING ANY CAR WASH, WHETHER IT BE AUTOMATED, WHETHER IT BE NON-AUTOMATED, I MEAN ANYTHING LIKE THAT, OR DO WE WANT TO BREAK OUT CAR WASHES? NO. NO. WE'RE NOT OKAY WITH THAT? NO, NO, WE DON'T NEED TO BREAK THEM.
OKAY. THEY CAN JUST. YEAH. JUST LET THEM GO IN ANY NON-RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
OKAY. BUT AREN'T THEY PROHIBITED IN THE MASTER HIGHWAY CORRIDOR? THEY DO. THEY ARE PROHIBITED IN MASTER HIGHWAY CORRIDOR. SO, WHEN WE ADDRESS OVERLAYS, WE COULD TWEAK THAT.
YES. OKAY. OR, WE WOULD. I MEAN, WOULD YOU. PLEASE DISCUSS IT? YES. OKAY. YES. LEAVE IT AS AN OVERLAY THING.
OKAY. WE CAN DO THAT. OKAY. NEXT ONE ARE. AND I.
KNOCK ON WOOD. WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE IN A WHILE, BUT I THINK WHEN I FIRST CAME ON BOARD HERE AT THE CITY, I FELT LIKE I WAS DOING A VAPE STORE EVERY MEETING.
BUT THIS WOULD TAKE AWAY RIGHT NOW A TOBACCO STORE.
VAPE STORE REQUIRES AN SUP, NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE IN THE CITY.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD ALLOW THEM AS LIMITED USES.
AND I THOUGHT THIS WAS INTERESTING, BECAUSE I GUESS THIS CAME UP IN ONE OF OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH, WITH THE CONSULTANT, BUT THEY BUILT IN THOSE LIMITATIONS AS SAYING THEY COULD NOT BE WITHIN 1000FT OF ANOTHER TOBACCO OR VAPE STORE, AND THEY COULD NOT BE LOCATED WITHIN 600FT OF RELIGIOUS FACILITY, PUBLIC.
ANY PUBLIC ASSEMBLY USE, PARKS, OPEN SPACE, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SCHOOL, DAYCARE OR HOSPITAL.
ARE YOU ALL GENERALLY OKAY WITH THOSE? AGAIN, SO THAT MEANS IF A VAPE STORE COMES IN THAT IS MORE THAN 1000FT FROM ANOTHER ONE AND IS MORE THAN 600FT FROM ANY OF THOSE OTHER USES, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
I'D RATHER FLIP THE NUMBERS 600FT. OR DO YOU WANT TO MAKE IT BOTH 1000FT? I MEAN, I'D RATHER BE FARTHER AWAY FROM A SCHOOL THAN FROM ANOTHER BUSINESS.
YEAH, ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MILES. TWO AND A HALF MILES.
I MEAN. IS THAT TOO MUCH? YEAH. IN GENERAL, NO.
THESE DISTANCES APPLY TO ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
THE DISTANCE TO TO THE SCHOOL SEEMS SHORT. I MEAN, IF YOU WANT.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM IF YOU WANT TO SAY 1000FT FOR EITHER.
YES. YES. YEAH, I LIKE THAT. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH.
JUST. GIVE ME A SECOND WHILE I MAKE NOTES, BECAUSE.
WITH YOUR BROKEN PEN? YES, BUT IT'S STILL WRITING, SO WE'RE ALL GOOD.
JUST MAKE IT ONE CLICK. OH! OVER THERE, BEHIND YOU.
OH, IT IS BACK THERE. WELL, OKAY. IT'S A SHAME NO ONE WAS SITTING BACK THERE.
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OKAY, SO WE'LL DO 1000FT. OKAY. SO BUILD TO RENT.AS BAD AS I HATE TO GO BACK TO THAT, OR WHEN I SAY BUILD TO RENT, DOES ANYBODY UNDERSTAND? DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS? YES, I THINK SO. IF YOU'RE IT'S ESSENTIALLY SMALL SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ON ONE LOT THAT IT'S LIKE A BIG APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT THEY'RE INSTEAD OF RENTING APARTMENTS, YOU'RE RENTING SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, ESSENTIALLY. A, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF ONE NEARBY, I THINK HURST.
THERE IS ONE RIGHT THERE. SO WHAT THIS ALLOWS, AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT ONE, WE DON'T HAVE THIS USE IN OUR CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCE. IT'S FAIRLY NEW USE. IT'S ONE OF THOSE NEW USES THAT BRIAN WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY ADDRESS, BUT ARE BECOMING POPULAR. IT WOULD ALLOW IT AS A LIMITED USE IN SUBURBAN MULTIFAMILY.
SO IT WOULD HAVE TO COME IN FOR A ZONING CHANGE FIRST.
AND THEN IT WOULD, OR YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF REDEVELOPMENT.
A CURRENT SUBURBAN MULTIFAMILY PROPERTY WOULD HAVE TO BE DEMOLISHED TO ALLOW THIS.
A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT IF I CAN REAL QUICK BECAUSE IT WAS TOO MUCH TO PUT ON A SLIDE, BUT IT ESSENTIALLY STATED THAT, EXCUSE ME, ESSENTIALLY SAID THAT IT HAD TO PROVIDE A, A VIRTUAL LOT PLAN, WHICH MEANS THAT EVERYTHING YOU'D, THE HOUSE WOULD HAVE TO STAND ON ITS OWN AS IT WAS ON ITS OWN LOT, BUT OBVIOUSLY, KNOWING IT COULD BE YOU COULD HAVE MULTIPLE ON ONE LOT.
AND IT ALSO MAKE SURE I'M IN THE RIGHT PLACE HERE.
SO THOSE THOSE ARE THE LIMITATIONS THAT ARE BUILT INTO THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL ARE AWARE, BECAUSE LAST THING I WANT TO HAPPEN THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS IS IF WE GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS, EVERYBODY ADOPTS IT. AND THEN SIX MONTHS LATER, SOMETHING HAPPENS AND Y'ALL LOOK AT ME AND SAY, WHY IN THE WORLD DID YOU ALLOW THAT? SO THAT'S PART OF THIS PROCESS TOO, IS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S IN THIS NEW DOCUMENT.
WELL, LET ME JUST. I KNOW OVER THE COURSE OF SEVERAL YEARS, WE'VE HAD COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION WANTING TO KNOW, ARE THOSE GOING TO BE OWNER OCCUPIED, ARE THOSE GOING TO BE FOR RENT? MY PERSONAL THOUGHT IS, I DON'T CARE, AS LONG AS THE BUILDING IS BEING BUILT TO THE STANDARDS IN THE ZONE THAT IT'S DESIGNED TO GO IN.
THAT'S A SEPARATE REGULATION. YEAH. IF SOMEBODY'S GOING TO BUILD A STRUCTURE OR A RESIDENCE ON A LOT THAT'S ALLOWED TO HAVE A RESIDENCE ON IT, AND IT MEETS THE ZONING AND THE DENSITY AND ALL OF THAT, WHAT THEY DO WITH IT AFTER THAT, I DON'T THINK MATTERS. BECAUSE IF YOU TALK ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD ABOUT WHY RESIDENTS DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, RENT TO OWN RENT PLACES, YOU COULD TAKE THOSE SAME CONCERNS AND WALK DOWN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD IN OUR CITY AND SAY, WELL, THEY'RE NOT MOWING THE GRASS AND THEIR TREES TRIMMED, AND THERE'S THIS. AND I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD ABOUT, OH, THEY'RE RENTING THAT PROPERTY, APPLY TO EVERY PIECE OF PROPERTY, EVERY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IN TOWN.
IT'S, THIS IS JUST ALLOWING SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE NORMALLY WOULD. THE RENTAL ASPECT, WHETHER THEY OWN IT OR RENT IT, THAT DOESN'T MATTER.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE Y'ALL ARE AWARE THIS NEW USE WAS BEING PUT IN THE NEW ZONING ORDINANCE.
OKAY. THESE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS OF. ABSOLUTELY.
RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY, OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE? OKAY. SOME NEW USES, MORE ADDITIONAL NEW USES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
A MARKET GARDEN. THIS IS ALLOWED IN ANY NON RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT WITH SOME LIMITATIONS ON FENCING,
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BUILDING SIZE AND COMPOSTING. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF A DEMAND THERE WOULD BE OF THIS IN BEDFORD.BUT THESE ARE SOME NEW USES THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT AND POINT THAT OUT. WOULD THAT APPLY TO CITY OWNED PROPERTY? YES. OKAY. OR ATB OWNED PROPERTY. ANY OF IT, YES.
AGAIN, IT WOULD BE A USE THAT THEY'D HAVE TO COME IN AND THEY'D HAVE TO MEET CORRECT ZONING.
GOOD IDEA. OKAY. FOOD TRUCK COURT. WE KNOW THAT THESE HAVE BECOME MORE POPULAR IN VARIOUS PLACES.
THE, THESE, AGAIN, ARE USES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT, WITH CERTAIN LIMITATIONS THAT REGULATIONS ON PARKING, UTILITIES, RESTROOM FACILITIES SIGNS AND SITTING AREAS.
ONE THING THAT I SAW HERE, AND I THINK WE GET THIS IS A POPULAR ONE THAT WE GET COMMENTS FOR QUESTIONS ABOUT A LOT REGARDING FOOD TRUCKS RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED USES BY RIGHT ON ANYTHING.
THEY HAVE TO BE PART OF A FUNCTION OR PART OF SOME OF THEIR BUSINESS TO GO ON.
AND OPENING THIS UP, I THINK, IS, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK IS A BAD THING.
I THINK CREATING THIS USE AND ALLOWING THIS WITH THESE LIMITATIONS IS GOOD.
SOMETHING ELSE YOU MAY WANT TO LOOK AT, I KNOW THAT SOME FOOD TRUCK AREAS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE METROPLEX AND OTHER AREAS THAT THEY REQUIRE, MAYBE IT BE ATTACHED TO, THERE'D BE SOME TYPE OF LIKE A SITTING AREA, MAYBE IT'S A BAR ATTACHED TO IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT GIVES YOU ANOTHER REASON TO GO THERE. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH FOOD TRUCKS, THERE'S ONE IN DALLAS, THERE'S ONE IN FORT WORTH. THERE'S SEVERAL OF THEM THROUGHOUT THAT.
THEY'RE IT'S AN ENTERTAINMENT PLACE. YOU GO. THEY BRING IN SO MANY FOOD TRUCKS THROUGHOUT THE, THE SPACE, BUT THERE'S A CENTRALIZED BAR OR CENTRALIZED BUILDING THAT PEOPLE CONGREGATE AT TO DO SO, WE COULD DEFINE WE COULD FURTHER DEFINE THAT IF YOU WANT OR IF YOU'RE HAPPY WITH JUST THESE, THESE AREAS, WE COULD DO THAT AS WELL. YES. DON'T YOU ALWAYS WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE RESTROOM FACILITIES BECAUSE IT SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE PORTA POTTIES, IT ALWAYS HAVE TO BE ATTACHED TO A BUILDING, WOULDN'T IT? LET ME SEE HOW THAT'S WORDED, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT.
BEAR WITH ME HERE WHILE I FLIP THROUGH MY NOTES.
I THINK KELLER HAS GOT THEM UP THERE SITTING ON LAND DONATED BY THE CHURCH, AND.
I FOUND IT. I THINK WIRED THEY'VE GOT, YEAH, PORTA POTTIES AND SEATING AREAS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND THOSE TRUCKS STAY THERE ALL THE TIME THERE.
I THOUGHT I SAID THAT THERE COULDN'T BE TEMPORARY. AND YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THEY'D COME IN AND WE'D LOOK AT IT DURING BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS.
DOES THIS HELP CITY EVENTS OR CITY WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM WEARING.
THIS WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. OKAY, GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS AN ACTUAL LAND USE.
RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY, I THINK I'M RUNNING OUT OF THINGS HERE.
I AM, LOOK AT THAT. SO, I KNEW THAT WAS GOING TO BE QUICK AND REALLY SHORT AND TO THE POINT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK THROUGH SOME OF THAT.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, THEN I'M HAPPY TO DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM.
EXCEPT FOR MR. JACOBSEN. VICE CHAIR JACOBSEN.
YES, I SORT OF HAVE A GRUMPY. I ASSUME THESE ARE ALL GOING TO BE INCORPORATED AS AN ORDINANCE IN PAPER, ON PAPER, BUT AT SOME POINT IT WILL BE ABLE TO BE ACCESSED DIGITALLY BY A QUERY, BY AN ALGORITHM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO PUT IN A FOOD COURT TRUCK, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, THEY PUNCH SOMETHING IN AND IT'LL COME OUT.
BUT INITIALLY IT'LL BE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
YES, ABSOLUTELY. SO WHAT YOU'VE GOT BEFORE YOU, AND THAT'S ONE REASON IT'S SO MANY PAGES BECAUSE YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S A LOT OF STRIKETHROUGHS. WHAT THEY DID IS THEY TOOK OUR CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCE AND THEY SHOWED WHAT THEY WERE TAKING OUT AND WHERE THEY WERE MOVING THINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
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SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE CONFUSING TO READ RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THAT.BUT YES, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, ONCE IT GETS TO YOU FOR CLEAR ADOPTION AND WE'VE TAKEN ALL THE OTHER OLD STUFF OUT, THEN YOU'LL HAVE ONE, ONE PAPER, PDF DOC, OR PDF DOCUMENT HOWEVER YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT.
I WILL SAY, AND I THINK A COUPLE OF TIMES, IF YOU'VE HEARD BRIAN TALK ABOUT ONCE EVERYTHING'S DONE, IT'LL BE THAT ELECTRONIC COPY. PART OF WHAT THAT IS ADDITIONAL FEES THAT KINAXIS ARE LOOKING AT SELLING US.
AND WE'RE NOT AT THIS POINT, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GO THAT ROUTE.
BUT WE WILL HAVE A, A COPY THAT YOU CAN WORD SEARCH, YOU CAN PDF SEARCH, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
BUT AND WE'LL ALSO HAVE CLEAN PAPER COPIES. MY QUESTION THIS IS WHERE THE GRUMPY PART COMES IN.
OH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS IT. OKAY. I'M SORRY. IS WE STILL GOT, I WAS GOING THROUGH HERE AND WE GOT SO BLOODY MANY THINGS THAT ARE JUST RIDICULOUS GOLF COURSES AND LET'S SEE, GOLF COURSES, AIRPORTS, TRUCK TERMINALS.
I WAS JUST GOING THROUGH THERE. I SAY, WHY IN THE HELL DO WE HAVE GOLF COURSES AND AIRPORTS? I'M PRETTY SURE WE'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE ANY ONE OF THOSE.
AND ALSO SINCE MY FAVORITE IS TRANSPORTATION.
I MEAN, AIRPORTS, MOTOR FREIGHT TERMINAL, BUS, RAILROAD TERMINAL, THAT WHOLE CATEGORY OF TRANSPORTATION COULD BE REMOVED, SO.
WELL JUST APPROVED WAREHOUSES, THAT'S A MOTOR FREIGHT TERMINAL, RIGHT? WELL, THAT'S. IT'S A WAREHOUSE. YEAH. THAT'S A USE OF A WAREHOUSE.
BUT WE HAVE AIRPORTS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE DRONES INCLUDED IN THAT.
ANYWAY, MY SUGGESTION IS, IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD? SOME OF US WHO ARE LESS INCLINED TO LOOK AT THE NARROWEST INTERPRETATION CAN MAYBE REDUCE A FEW OF THESE? WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. I WOULD POINT OUT THAT ONE THING THAT I LIKE THAT KINAXIS HAS DONE, OR ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KINAXIS THEY'VE DONE THAT I LIKE IS THAT THEY HAVE THIS LIST COULD BE A LOT LONGER.
IF YOU START LOOKING, IF THAT MAKES YOU FEEL ANY BETTER, RIGHT.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 110 OR, OR SECTION 3.2.B, THEY STARTED OUT LISTING.
SO THEY HAVE SOME OF THOSE OTHER USES THERE THAT AREN'T LISTED.
SO LIKE FOR INSTANCE, I'M GOING TO GO TO WHERE IS IT, UNDER HOUSEHOLD LIVING OR RESIDENTIAL USES.
THEY HAVE A WELL, THAT'S A BAD EXAMPLE. UNDER COMMUNITY FACILITIES, LET'S CALL THAT ONE.
THEY HAVE ALL COMMUNITY FACILITIES NOT LISTED ABOVE.
WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON? THAT IS. I'M SORRY. PAGE 104.
WELL, THEN IF YOU FLIP OVER TO THOSE COMMUNITY FACILITIES, THEY HAVE THOSE COMMUNITY FACILITIES ON ONE PAGE, JUST A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO READ. SO I, ALL JOKING ASIDE, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY SIMPLIFY THOSE A LITTLE BIT MORE. THEY'VE ALREADY DONE IT QUITE A BIT, BUT I THINK WE CAN GO EVEN MORE ON SOME OF THOSE USES BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT.
THE FOLLOWING TABLES ALSO THE TABLES 3.2.B, THE RESIDENTIAL USE CATEGORIES, WHICH IS A ANOTHER VERSION OF THE TABLE, THE FIRST TABLE. RIGHT. THAT ACTUALLY CONFUSED ME MORE THAN ENLIGHTENED ME WITH RESPECT TO THE FIRST TABLE.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT HAD THAT PROBLEM, BUT.
MAYBE THIS NEEDS TO BE EXPLAINED BETTER, WHY WE.
ANYWAY. END OF END OF GRUMPY OLD MAN ON THAT.
ON THAT DETAIL, I NOTICED THE USE FOR THE CANDY MANUFACTURING USE THAT WE DEVELOPED TWO YEARS AGO, THE MURRAY CUSTOM AUTO USE. THOSE ARE NOT ANYWHERE IN HERE.
SO. WE. YEAH, I JUST I'M JUST CURIOUS. WELL, THE SPECIFICS AREN'T HERE.
SO THEY WEREN'T PREPARED FOR THAT ONE. THE OTHER ONE, THE CANDY USE.
SO THAT WASN'T A. I THOUGH WE WROTE ONE. NO, WE DIDN'T, NOT ON THAT ONE.
WE THE ONLY LAND USE DEFINITION WE'VE WRITTEN SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE WAS THE MURRAY CUSTOM RODS ONE, AND THAT WILL BE ADDED TO THIS ORDINANCE. AND THE OTHER THING THAT I NOTICED WASN'T IN HERE AT ALL WAS FUNERAL HOMES.
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I THOUGHT A SAW IT. I THOUGHT. I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T.OH, I SEE, YEAH I MAY NEED TO LOOK AT THE DEFINITION BUT I'LL, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
THERE IS CEMETERY. YES. I CAN'T PRONOUNCE THAT WORD MAUSOLEUM MEMORIAL PARK.
I'LL DOUBLE CHECK THE DEFINITION BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE.
YEAH. LET ME DOUBLE CHECK THAT ONE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
SORRY ABOUT THE CANDY THING. I THOUGHT WE HAD DONE IT. NO, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. CANDY THING. WE DON'T HAVE BITCOIN MANUFACTURERS OR SERVER FARMS. WE DO. YEAH. THAT IS ADDED. THAT IS ADDED IN.
YEAH. ALL RIGHT, I NOTICED SOMETHING. SOMETIMES I SAW THE TERM SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
SOMETIMES I SAW SPECIAL USE PERMIT. SOMETIMES I SAW SPECIAL EVENTS FROM PERMIT.
DO WE NEED TO CLARIFY? SO BETWEEN SPECIFIC USE AND SPECIAL USE.
YES. WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT. WE DO HAVE A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT, SO THAT MAY, THAT IS A STANDALONE.
YEAH, SURE. AND SHE ALREADY BEAT YOU TO IT. WELL, I THOUGHT ABOUT BEING AN ATTORNEY.
YEAH. KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS JUST A DRAFT, SO EVERYBODY'S STILL REVIEWING IT.
ANOTHER ONE I RECALL AND I MAY BE SINCE I'M OLD, I MAY BE WRONG.
I THOUGHT WHEN WE WERE SPEAKING ABOUT THE STONEGATE OVERLAY DISTRICT, WE HAD SPOKEN ABOUT THAT SOME OF THESE YOUNG ARTISTS ARE MAYBE COMING IN THAT THEY MAY LIVING IN, MAYBE LIVING IN THE BACK OF THE AREA, BUT I DID NOTICING THAT SAYS RESIDENTIAL OR AM I WRONG? THAT WOULD BE THE LIVE WORK UNIT ASPECT OF THINGS.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE NEEDED TO HAVE ANYTHING ABOUT PEOPLE CAN LIVE IN.
I THINK UNDER THE DESCRIPTION, I AM LESS CONCERNED THAT IT'S NOT UNDER THE DESCRIPTION.
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE USE IS ALLOWED WITHIN THE OVERLAY THOUGH.
SO WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT. ONE MORE THING. PAGE 95 THE GENERAL PROVISIONS OF SECTION 3.1.A.
I'M SORRY YOU SAID PAGE 95. YES, SIR. OH, ON PARAGRAPH B, ITEM 2, IT SAYS AN APPROVAL OF A LIMITED USE PERMIT BY THE DIRECTOR.
DOES THAT NOT INVOLVE P&Z, OR IS HE JUST PULLING THIS OUT OF THE OVERALL WORLD? NO, THAT WOULD NOT INVOLVE P&Z. LIMITED USES WOULD GO STRAIGHT TO STAFF.
OKAY. OKAY. ON THOSE THINGS. SPECIAL USE PERMIT BY CITY COUNCIL.
THAT ASSUMES THAT THE CITY PROCESS OF P&Z. CORRECT.
NO, THE, SO LIMITED USES. AND THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT POINT TO MAKE, IS THAT WHENEVER YOU SEE THAT L ON THE LAND USE CHART, THAT'S A LIMITED USE, WHICH MEANS P&Z WOULD NOT SEE THAT AT ALL.
COUNCIL WOULD NOT SEE AT ALL. IT WOULD ALL BE A STAFF DECISION.
SO THAT'S WHY. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT I'M LOOKING AT, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE A STAFF PERSON MAKING DECISIONS WITHOUT SOME VERY CLEAR PARAMETERS. THERE ARE LOTS OF L'S IN THERE. AND SO I'VE GONE THROUGH ALL OF THOSE L'S TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE A VERY CLEAR PARAMETERS THAT I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, BECAUSE YOU MAY NOT ALWAYS HAVE WONDERFUL STAFF LIKE ME, AND YOU WANT THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE VERY CLEAR PARAMETERS ON WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T APPROVE. YES. OKAY. THAT WAS WHERE I WAS LOOKING AT.
THAT IS JUST. YEAH. NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. WHERE THAT, HOW THAT WROTE.
OKAY, COOL. I AM WITH THE COMMISSIONER JACOBSEN.
THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF USES IN THERE THAT WE MAKE A TWEAK OR MAYBE.
THESE CAME FROM THE CONSULTANT. OKAY. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN HER SCRATCH OUTS YET, I.
THE SCRATCH OUTS AND ALL THE THINGS ARE PRETTY HARD TO READ AT THIS POINT.
SO I'M GOING TO JUST NOT DIVE INTO THAT TOO DEEP UNTIL WE ARE READY TO LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC USES AND SOME OF THE L'S AND S'S AND P'S AND ALL THAT. AND I CAN, I MEAN, THAT'S EASY TO DO.
WE CAN TAKE OUT THE MARK OUTS. WHAT I AM GOING TO DO AND MOVING FORWARD, AS WE LOOK AT EACH
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OF THESE CHAPTERS, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THESE CHAPTERS, SUCH AS WE GET INTO LANDSCAPING, WE GET INTO PARKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHERE I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE MORE TIME CONSUMING IN LOOKING AT.I AM GOING TO TAKE OUT ALL THE SCRATCH OUT STUFF AND JUST HAVE YOU SEE THE NEW CLEAN DATA THAT'S THERE, THE REGULATION. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT WE TOOK OUT, WHAT WE DIDN'T TAKE OUT. IF YOU'VE GOT A QUESTION, WE CAN WE CAN WORK THROUGH THOSE. BUT I THINK THAT'LL MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU. ALSO, I DO HAVE MODULE TWO NOW.
I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO START REVIEWING IT YET.
I GUESS WE COULD HAND IT ALL TO YOU, BUT WE'LL PROBABLY START SCHEDULING HAVING SOME OF THESE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONVERSATIONS FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL CHAPTER, INSTEAD OF US TRYING TO TALK ABOUT ALL CHAPTERS AT ONE NIGHT, SO.
AT SOME POINT HERE, DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON MODULE ONE? NO. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT DOING WE'RE NOT POSTED FOR ANY VOTES, WE'RE NOT GOING TO.
SO REALLY, I DON'T ENVISION VOTING ON EACH INDIVIDUAL MODULE.
I FEEL LIKE, BECAUSE WE'VE ONLY GOT 2, I FEEL LIKE THAT AS WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS GOING THROUGH EACH OF THESE, WE'LL WORK THROUGH ALL THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED.
AND THEN YOU'LL ONLY DO REALLY ONE VOTE, AND THAT'S ADOPTION OF THE WHOLE THING.
I'M SURE THERE'S A REAL GOOD REASON WHY. ARE THEY LIMITED BY DISTANCES? IT'S ON PAGE 132. 132. I'M SURE THERE'S A GOOD REASON.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS. IT'S RIGHT AT THE TOP WHERE IT SAYS GROUP HOMES.
WHAT DOESN'T LINE UP WITH MINE EITHER? LET ME SEE. JUST A SECOND.
LET ME LOOK THAT UP REAL QUICK. DIVISION 3.3, U STANDARDS.
HERE, I FOUND IT, I GOT IT, I THINK. OKAY.
SO, YEAH, LET US LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHAT THAT IS.
YEAH. I'M NOT 100% SURE EITHER. SO. OKAY, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE UNLESS Y'ALL JUST HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE SET UP THE NEXT WORKSHOP THAT KINAXIS WILL BE HERE.
THE LET'S SEE IF I CAN PULL THAT UP REAL QUICK.
AND THEN JANUARY 15TH, DEEP DIVE INTO. AND THAT'LL BE WITH KINAXIS WILL BE HERE.
WE'LL DO A DEEP DIVE INTO MODULE 2 AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
YOU WILL GET MODULE TWO BEFORE THAT MEETING. THOSE THAT'S A WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY.
IT'LL BE GOOD HOLIDAY READING. YEAH. SO DO YOU, ENRIQUE AND STAFF, WES.
DO YOU EXPECT THAT WE WILL HAVE A MEETING IN THE FIRST PART OF DECEMBER, OR ARE WE DONE FOR THE YEAR? I, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING? OH WE DO. YES. WE WILL HAVE A MEETING THE FIRST PART OF DECEMBER.
SURE. SO THE 11TH IS THE NEXT SLOT. WE WOULD HAVE A MEETING.
OKAY. EXCELLENT. I THINK WE NEED A MOTION. COMMISSIONERS.
I MOVE THAT J QUIT ASKING STUPID QUESTIONS. WE ADJOURN THIS MEETING.
I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. IT IS 7:44. WE ARE ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.