[CALL TO ORDER & ROLL CALL]
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>> SIX O'CLOCK. ORDER THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE BEDFORD PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR TODAY, AUGUST 14, 2025. CALL THE ORDER, PLEASE.
>> ROGER GALLENSTEIN, PRESENT.
>> BRUCE EMERY, CHAIRMAN, PRESENT?
>> WELCOME COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE A FULL VOTE TONIGHT.
WILL STAND FOR THE INVOCATION TO REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
>> OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE ASK FOR YOUR BLESSINGS ON THIS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND ALL THOSE PRESENT.
GIVE US THE GUIDANCE AND THE WISDOM TO LISTEN CAREFULLY TO THOSE WHO ARE PRESENTING AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE ASK THAT YOU BLESS OUR CITY LEADERS, PARTICULARLY OUR FIRE, POLICE, AND FIRST RESPONDERS, AND ALL THOSE WHO WORK FOR THE CITY OF BEDFORD.
WE ASK ALL THESE THINGS IN YOUR NAME, AMEN.
>> PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG FLAG THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC, OR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
>> THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO CONSIDER
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR JULY 24 MEETING.ANYONE FIND ANY CORRECTIONS OR ERRORS IN THE MINUTES FROM THAT MEETING?
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE JULY 24, PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING?
>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF YOUR HAND.
MINUTES APPROVED AR MINUTES, ENRIQUE.
WERE YOU ABLE TO MAKE THE REVISIONS ON THE PREVIOUS. THANK YOU.
>> OUR FIRST ITEM, WE HAVE A SERIES OF PUBLIC HEARINGS THIS EVENING.
FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, IT WILL NOT EMBARRASS US OR ANYTHING.
IF THE ITEM THAT YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT OR LISTEN TO IS OVER AND YOU CHOOSE TO LEAVE. IT'S FINE.
WE WON'T KEEP YOU STUCK FOR THE REST OF THE AGENDA, BUT JUST A LITTLE PIECE OF HOUSEKEEPING THERE.
FIRST ITEM IS KENTUCKY PUBLIC HEARING.
[2. Conduct a public hearing and consider making a recommendation to City Council regarding a rezoning of the property described as Harwood Oaks Shpng Cntr Addn Block A Lot 2 from Planned Unit Development to Planned Unit Development / Specific Use Permit – Private Business & Professional Schools. The property is generally located north of Harwood Road, to the west of Martin Drive, and commonly known as 2901 Martin Drive Suite D. (SUP-25-10) ]
CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING RING ZONING OF THE PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS HARWOOD OAKS SHOPPING CENTER, ADDITION BLOCK A, LOT 2 FROM PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, PRIVATE BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONAL SCHOOLS.PROPERTY IS GENERALLY LOCATED NORTH OF HARWOOD ROAD TO THE WEST OF MARTIN DRIVE, AND COMMONLY KNOWN AS 20901 MARTIN DRIVE SUITE D.
THIS IS CASE SUP 25-10 STAFF REPORT, PLEASE.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. LONG TIME NO SEE.
THIS IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A DRIVING SCHOOL AT 20901 MARTIN DRIVE, SUITE D. THE LOCATION IS RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER OF HARWOOD AND MARTIN TO THE NORTHWEST.
IT'S A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO OPERATE A DRIVING SCHOOL APPROXIMATELY 01,180 SQUARE FEET WITH AN EXISTING RETAIL SHOPPING STRIP BUILDING.
THE LOCATION IS IN A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, WE'RE CLASSIFYING THAT FOR COMMERCIAL USE.
THE APPLICATION STATED THAT THERE WOULD BE TWO EMPLOYEES WITH CLASSES HELD MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY FROM 09:00 A.M. TO 5:00 P.M. ONE STUDENT IS IN ANTICIPATION FOR EACH CLASS OF TWO HOURS IN LENGTH, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A SECTION OF THE PARKING LOT THAT WOULD BE UTILIZED FOR PARALLEL PARKING BASED ON THE APPLICATION.
THE ZONING MAP AGAIN SHOWS THIS PROPERTY TO BE IN A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
BEST RECORDS WE WERE ABLE TO FIND OF THAT PUD WERE AN AMENDMENT TO A RESTAURANT OR AN AMENDMENT THAT ALLOWED A RESTAURANT, SO CLASSIFIED THAT AS COMMERCIAL USE BASED ON WHAT'S ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL.
EAST OF THAT WOULD BE HEAVY COMMERCIAL.
I BELIEVE THAT'S A RESTAURANT, A PIZZA PLACE.
NORTH OF THAT WOULD BE MEADOW CREEK ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, SOUTH OF THAT WOULD BE IT'S A SINGULAR BUILDING, BUT IT'S PLATTED ON TWO SEPARATE LOTS.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DID THAT, BUT THAT'S THE ADJACENT USE TO THAT.
THAT'S I BELIEVE A CLOTHING ALTERATIONS PLACE AND THEN A LITTLE CONVENIENCE STORE.
FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATES THIS PROPERTY AS BEING WITHIN THE SUBURBAN STRIP COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
WE'RE A LITTLE REFRESHER ON DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS.
YOU HAVE CLASSIFICATIONS OF COMMERCIAL, BUT YOU HAVE DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF THAT COMMERCIAL.
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THIS SIMPLY BREAKS UP WHAT THE SIMILARITIES OF THAT CERTAIN TYPE OF COMMERCIAL ARE.THAT BEING SAID, SUBURBAN STRIP COMMERCIAL IS A LOW INTENSITY MIX OF RETAIL SERVICE AND RETAIL USES IN A SINGULAR ONE STORY LINEAR STRIP, TYPICALLY LOCATED ALONG MAJOR ROADWAYS, HARWOOD ROAD.
NEARLY EXCLUSIVELY CATERS TO AUTOMOBILE TRAFFIC WITH A FOCUS ON CONVENIENT DRIVING ACROSS AND AMPLE FRONTAGE PARKING.
HERE PICTURES OF THE PROPERTY, LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY FROM MARTIN DRIVE, LOOKING AT CLOSER VIEW TO THE ACTUAL SWEETEN QUESTION, VIEW TO META ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, AND THEN FURTHER FROM HARWOOD ROAD, LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE PROPERTY.
HERE'S THE SITE PLAN PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT.
AGAIN, IT'S DIVIDED INTO A SEPARATE LOT.
BUT THE PARALLEL PARKING COMPONENT IS INCLUDED IN THAT, THE LOWER SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY BETWEEN THE ACCESS ONTO THE PROPERTY FROM HARWOOD ROAD.
THERE'S TWO SEPARATE ENTRANCES ALONG HARWOOD ROAD.
FIVE PROPERTY OWNERS WERE NOTIFIED.
HOWEVER, TO THE CURRENT, WE'VE GOT NO RESPONSES TO THE NOTIFICATIONS, STAFF FINDINGS.
WHILST IT'S DETERMINED THAT THIS USE ISN'T TYPICAL RETAIL.
IT'S NOT BELIEVED IT WOULD BE A DETRIMENT TO THE STRIP CENTER.
NO EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS ARE PROPOSED.
THEY'RE NOT PLANNING ON ADDING TO THE BUILDING OR ANYTHING, BUT THERE IS GOING TO BE THAT PARALLEL PARKING COMPONENT WHICH MAY CAUSE ACCESS ISSUES ONTO THE PROPERTY SINCE IT'S WEDGED BETWEEN THE TWO ENTRANCES OFF HARWOOD.
HOWEVER, CONDITIONS CAN BE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY IF THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT THERE ARE CONDITIONS THAT CAN ADDRESS LAND COMPATIBILITY CONCERNS. I YIELD MY TIME.
>> COMMISSIONER IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE ENTER INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> THANK YOU, JOSE. WE'VE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS LATER.
>> I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE FOR THIS ONE.
IT 6:06, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON CASE SUP 25-10 OR THE TRAINING SCHOOL.
IS THE APPLICANT IS HERE, WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.
I'LL BE GREAT IF YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD?
>> MY NAME IS MD HOFFMAN, SORRY FOR I'M MISSING.
MY APPLICATION FOR 29-01, MARTIN DRIVE SUITE NUMBER D, AND I LIVE IN EULESS.
MY PERSONAL ADDRESS IS 2052 DRIVE, EULESS, TEXAS.
>> WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS AND WHY THE APPLICATION AND A BIT OF DETAILS.
>> ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE ON THE PLATE IS, THIS IS A PRETTY SMALL PARKING LOT? THIS IS AN EXTREMELY BUSY INTERSECTION.
BETWEEN THE TWO SCHOOLS, HARWOOD IS ONE OF OUR MAIN FEEDER ENTRIES INTO THE CITY OF BEDFORD, AND MARTIN IS ALSO A FAIRLY BUSY NORTH SOUTH CORRIDOR STREET.
THE PARALLEL PARKING THING IS A SERIOUS I CONSIDER THAT TO BE A SERIOUS SAFETY HAZARD.
>> YOU GOT PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF BOTH OF THOSE ENTRANCES, AND THE PARALLEL PARKING WOULD INVOLVE A 90 DEGREE PATH ACROSS IN FRONT OF BOTH OF THOSE? THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A REALLY GOOD IDEA.
TO DO THAT AT ALL, BECAUSE YOU'D BE BACKING OR GOING FORWARD ACROSS AT 90 DEGREES TO AN ENTRANCE.
TRYING TO DO THAT PARALLEL PARKING ON THAT SMALLER PARKING LOT BETWEEN THOSE TWO ENTRANCES.
YES, SIR. COMMISSIONER JACOBSON.
>> IN ADDITION TO THAT, MY CONCERN IS WITH YOUR HOURS OF OPERATION, THEY OVERLAP THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ADJACENT TO IT, AND I SEE ALL THE TIME CHILDREN WALKING THROUGH THAT PARKING LOT.
IN ADDITION TO THE TRAFFIC ON THOSE TWO STREETS THAT THE CHAIRMAN JUST REFERENCED, THAT FACT PLUS THE FACT THAT THERE ARE LITERALLY FOUR ENTRANCES TO THAT PARKING LOT.
THE COMBINATION OF THE TRAFFIC ON THE TWO ROADS AND THE FOUR ENTRANCES AND THE CHILDREN THAT USE THE PARKING LOT AS A SHORTCUT, AS I WOULD IS A CONCERN FOR ME.
>> IS THERE ANY ALTERNATIVE TO THE PARALLEL PARKING THAN THAT LOCATION? DOES IT HAVE TO BE ON YOUR SITE?
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>> MAYBE EAST SITE IS CLOSE TO THE MARTIN DRIVE.
THERE IS A LOT OF E SPACE, BUT OVER THERE IS DOWN THE STAIRS OVER THERE.
I CAN DO MOVE OVER THERE IS BETTER PLACE OVER THERE.
BECAUSE IT'S MY PARALLEL PARKING ONLY 26 FEET.
OVER THERE, DOWN THE STAIRS, OVER THERE, MAYBE MORE THAN 50 FEET DISTANCE OVER THERE, CLOSE TO MARTIN DRIVE.
>> WHERE ARE YOU DOING THE REST OF YOUR IN THE CAR DRIVING TRAINING?
>> BASICALLY, CITY ROAD IS CLOSE TO NOT HABIT TRAFFIC IS WITHOUT HABIT TRAFFIC IS MOST PROBABLY BECAUSE IS A NEW STUDENT NEW DRIVING STUDENT.
HABIT TRAFFIC, NOBODY CAN DOING THIS PRACTICE.
SCHOOL ZONE, AVOID THE SCHOOL ZONE.
MY OFFICE OVER THERE IS OKAY, BUT ONLY FOR A SPECIFIC OFFICE.
NOBODY CAN SITTING IN THE INSIDE.
MY INSTRUCTOR GO TO THE CITY INSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR VERY SLOW ROAD.
NOT HABIT ROAD DO USE BECAUSE EVERYBODY FIRST TIME DRIVING, SECOND TIME DRIVING.
>> THE INSTRUCTOR DRIVES AWAY FROM THE SCHOOL INTO A LESS POPULATED BUSY AREA, AND THAT'S WHERE THE STUDENT TAKES OVER THE VEHICLE, IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN?
>> NO. I SAY ACTUALLY WHEN THE SCHOOL CLOSE AND GOING TIME IS HEAVY TRAFFIC.
WHEN THE SCHOOL FINISH IS TOO MUCH HABIT TRAFFIC.
THIS TIME TRAFFIC TICKET IS DOUBLE.
THAT'S WHY EVERY SCHOOL INSTRUCTOR DON'T GO IN THE ZONE THIS AREA, BECAUSE HEAVY TRAFFIC MUST EVERY TIME AVOID THIS ZONE.
THIS TIME, PROBABLY WHEN THE SCHOOL FINISH AND WHEN COMING THE STUDENT EVERY TIME IN BASICALLY MORNING TIME.
NOBODY CAN PRACTICE THIS AREA.
BECAUSE THE HEARTS, BEDFORD, YOU LOSE A LOT OF GOOD AREA.
A SPECIFIC THIS AREA PRACTICE, NOT THIS LIKE THAT.
BECAUSE EVERY STUDENT MINIMUM ONE HOUR DRIVING PRACTICE.
HE GO TO THE REMOTE AREA, VERY SILENT AREA, NO TRAFFIC, THIS LIKE THAT HE CAN USE THIS ROAD.
>> YOU HAVE A PLAN TO AVOID SCHOOL TRAFFIC.
>> THEY WILL DRIVE DURING THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC HOURS.
>> BASICALLY, ACTUALLY, WHEN SCHOOL ZONE STARTING, THIS TIME TRAFFIC, ANY PILATION IS TICKET IS HIGH, DOUBLE TICKET.
>> YOU WANT TO THEN GET TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WITH THE TRAINEES?
>> ACTUALLY, NOT ALL TIME USE THIS SOMETIME NOT THIS AREA.
THE HEARTS ON STUDENT IS HEART AREA.
HE CALLED ME, I NEED TO PRACTICE THIS.
I GO THIS AREA, I CAN PRACTICE THIS REMOTE AREA, THIS LIKE THAT.
SOME PEOPLE CALL ME EULESS AREA.
I CAN GO OVER THERE AND THIS AREA.
>> DO THE CARS HAVE DOES THE INSTRUCTOR HAVE CONTROL ALSO?
>> BOTH SIDE CONTROL AND BOTH SIDE DOUBLE METER BECAUSE THE STUDENT PRACTICE BECAUSE FIRST TIME.
NOT ALL THE STUDENTS COME TO YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO SOME AREAS TO WHERE THE STUDENTS NEED TO BE TRAINED?
>> DO YOUR STUDENTS, ARE THEY ALL GOING TO COME TO YOUR LOCATION, OR ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE THE CAR TO A PLACE AND TRAIN THERE?
>> NO. I CAN GO TO PICK UP AND DROP FOR YOUR HOME.
I PICK UP THE HOME AFTER PRACTICE I DROVE THE HOME.
>> IS THAT THE STANDARD THAT'S NORMAL?
BECAUSE THIS IS A GOOD SERVICE BECAUSE WHEN STUDENT COMING MY OFFICE ONLY FOR TEST DRIVING TEST.
WHEN HE DO THE DRIVING TEST, HE PERFECTLY DRIVING. THEN HE COME THE OFFICE.
>> THE PARALLEL PARKING, WHICH IS THE BIG DEAL.
YOU'RE GOING TO BE PICKING THEM UP, TRAINING THEM, AND YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK.
DO YOU NEED THE PARALLEL PARKING ONLY FOR THE TEST?
>> BUT FOR THE TRAINING, YOU'RE GOING TO DO PARALLEL PARKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHEREVER YOU ARE?
>> NO. PARALLEL PARKING, ONLY FOR DOING MY PLACE.
BUT WHEN IS BASICALLY SATURDAY, IS NO SCHOOL, NO HEAVY TRAFFIC, SUNDAY ALSO.
WHEN SCHOOL FINISH THIS TIME I CAN DO THE PARALLEL AND I CAN SHEDLE THIS LATER.
>> HAVING BEEN MY SON AS A STUDENT DRIVER AND SEEING HIM TRY TO PARALLEL PARK.
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>> THE REST ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PARALLEL PARKING, ESPECIALLY IN FRONT OF THAT CONVENIENCE STORE AND THAT TAILOR SHOP.
JUST BECAUSE I KNOW IT TAKES ABOUT 25 TIMES TO GET IT STRAIGHT AND GET IT RIGHT INTO WHERE YOU NEED IT TO BE, AND THERE'LL BE CARS COMING IN, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT THAT BUSY.
HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE OTHER BUSINESS OWNER THAT OWNS THAT CONVENIENCE STORE AND ASKED HIM IF HE'S GOING TO BE OR SHE'S GOING TO BE OKAY WITH THAT? MY SON WOULD BLOCK BOTH ENTRANCES.
THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN WITH THIS WHOLE THING IS JUST THE PARALLEL PARKING AREA.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER SCHOOLS IN THE AREA OR IS THE BLOOM SCHOOL?
>> NO. WE'VE HAD THAT, THE SCHOOL IS IN IRVING.
>> DO YOU HAVE A SIMILAR SITUATION WITH THE PARALLEL PARKING TO THIS? YOU'VE HEARD THE CONCERNS HERE AND I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT THE PARALLEL PARKING SEEMS TO BE.
DID YOU DO ANYTHING ON THAT PARTICULAR SITE? IT COULD BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM THIS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE THE HANG.
>> ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW. THIS PLACE IS ACTUALLY PARALLEL PARKING, IS ONLY FOR 26 FEET DISTANCE JUST PARALLEL PARKING.
YOU TELL ME I CAN CHANGE ANOTHER PORTION IS [INAUDIBLE] THERE IS 55 FEET DISTANCE OVER THERE, BUT OVER THERE IS DAMS STATE THAT'S WHY I CAN CHOOSE THIS LIKE THAT.
>> WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT YOU WOULD BE OKAY IF WE PUT TIME LIMITS? I'M NOT EVEN SURE WE CAN DO THAT.
BUT IF WE SAID YOU CAN JUST USE IT ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAYS OR AFTER 5:00, YOU COULD DO THAT? I'M NOT EVEN SURE.
>> WEST, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT.
>> YOU CAN DEFINITELY PUT CONDITIONS ON THE REQUEST.
THEY'VE JUST GOT TO BE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE EASILY ENFORCED.
TIME FRAMES TYPICALLY ARE FAIRLY EASY TO ENFORCE.
ANOTHER POSSIBLE CONDITION THAT IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PARALLEL PARKING, YOU CAN ALSO CONDITION IT THAT ONLY INDOOR INSTRUCTION IS DONE ON THE PROPERTY.
THAT'D BE A LITTLE BIT ALE BIT.
TIME FRAMES, IF WE LIMIT IT TO A SATURDAY OR AFTER HOURS.
IF STAFF'S NOT THERE TO WITNESS IT, THEN WE'VE GOT TO RELY ON COMPLAINTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE CAN WORK WITH WHATEVER YOU DECIDE, BUT THOSE ARE TWO OPTIONS.
>> I HAVE ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION.
IS THERE A REASON WHY WE CAN'T CHANGE THAT PARALLEL PARKING AREA TO THE ACTUAL SIDE OF THE CONVENIENCE STORE? BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE ABOUT THE SAME AREA.
>> I KNOW THERE'S PARKING SPACES HERE, BUT NOBODY REALLY PARKS HERE THE MOST OF THE TIME.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? CAN WE SAY NOT OKAY WITH THIS PARALLEL SPOT AND PUT IT ON THE SIDE?
>> THE DUMPSTER IS LOCATED THERE AND THOSE ARE DESIGNATED PARKING SPACES AS WELL? THEY'RE NOT. DUMPSTER PICKUP IS THERE, SO I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY'RE TRYING TO STAY OUT OF THE WAY OF THAT.
>> I THINK YOU COULD AVOID THE DUMPSTER PICKUP, THOUGH.
>> YOU CAN WORK AROUND THAT ONE.
>> THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION, I HAVE A SITE PLAN, BUT I THINK THAT WAS THE IDEA.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD THINK OF IS ALL THE CHURCH PARKING LOTS.
WE HAVE SO MANY CHURCHES HERE.
IS THAT AN OPTION THAT YOU COULD WORK OUT SOMETHING WITH THE CHURCH?
>> HARWOOD UNION RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
>> BUT I MEAN, IF THEIR HOURS ARE WHAT 9:00 AM TO 5:00 PM.
IT'S FINE DURING THE SUMMER WHEN THERE'S NO SCHOOL, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE SCHOOL.
I KEEP ON THINKING MOST CHURCHES AREN'T GOING TO BE QUITE AS BUSY MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, THEY'RE GOING TO BE BUSIER ON SUNDAY.
THE WAY YOU COULD WORK OUT SOME DISCUSSION WITH THE CHURCH, PERHAPS.
I TAUGHT THEM ALL PARALLEL PARKING SO I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT'S NOT EXACTLY A 10 MINUTE PRACTICE [LAUGHTER]
>> NO. ACTUALLY, I THINK EVERYBODY DRIVE A CAR.
I THINK PARALLEL PARKING, YOU CAN PRACTICE.
I'M AN INSTRUCTOR AND I'M ALSO DPS AUTHORIZED EXAMINER.
I CAN PRACTICE WITHIN 10 MINUTES, MY STUDENT DOING THE PERFECTLY PARALLEL PARKING.
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ONLY TWO MINUTES. WHEN I DO THE EXAMINE THE DPS EXAMINER SO WHAT I READ IS ONLY FOR TWO MINUTES, YOU DO THE PARALLEL PARKING.>> THE STUDENTS ARE DOING OR NOT DOING ALL OF THEIR PRACTICE?
>> YEAH. PRACTICE >> NO HERE. WILL THEY PRACTICE HERE?
>> WELL, MY OLDEST SON WAS ON THE AUTISM SPECTRUM.
HE WAS ABLE TO DRIVE, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT WE PRACTICE NUMEROUS TIMES GETTING HIM TO DO IT.
EVEN MY NON SPECIAL NEEDS CHILDREN A LOT [OVERLAPPING]
>> SOMETIME ACTUALLY, MY SCHOOL IS DPS AUTHORIZED SCHOOL.
ACTUALLY, THIS PARALLEL PARKING ONLY USED FOR WHO DO THE ROAD TEST AND COME THE PARALLEL PARKING, THIS LIKE THAT. ONLY FOR TWO MINUTES.
WHEN MY INSTRUCTOR OR I DO THE PRACTICE IN THE HARTS AREA, IN THE IRVING AREA, OR ANOTHER CITY, WE HAVE POLE INSIDE THE CAR.
ANY EMPTY AREA, SOMETIMES IS EMPTY AREA, I CAN JUST PUT IT OVER THERE, I CAN PRACTICE OVER THERE.
BECAUSE ANOTHER FAR AWAY, STUDENT COMING HERE, GOING IS TWO MUCH FAR AWAY SO NOBODY CAN COME HERE.
THIS PARKING LOT ONLY FOR TEST TIME, JUST TWO MINUTE.
IN BETWEEN TWO MINUTES, MUST HE DOING THE PARALLEL PARKING, THEN DONE.
>> THIS IS STRICTLY ONLY FOR THE TEST PERIOD?
I CAN DO THIS LIKE THAT, BUT I DON'T DO THAT.
BUT SPECIFIC I CAN PRACTICE IN SAME THE ANOTHER PLACE.
WHEN MY STUDENT OVER THERE, I CAN PRACTICE OVER THERE.
I PUT THE POLL, I CAN PRACTICE OVER THERE.
HE PERFECTLY DOING, THEN HE COME BACK MY PLACE, DO THE ROAD TEST.
JUST TWO MINUTE HE DOING THE PARALLEL PARKING DONE.
>> ON AVERAGE, YOU'RE OPEN, WOULD WE SAY.
>> NINETY FIVE. HOW MUCH TIME IS SPENT IN THAT DAY DOING PARALLEL PARKING?
>> PARALLEL PARKING THIS EVERY DAY, MAYBE THREE, FOUR STUDENTS DOING THE ROAD TEST.
BUT I GIVE YOU SCHEDULE APPOINTMENT FOR TIME.
WHEN THIS TIME, MY AREA IS NOT VERY CROWDED AND BUSY.
WHEN COMING SCHOOL TIME, I DON'T DO THAT.
I DON'T GIVE YOU ANY TIME THIS TIME.
BECAUSE SOMETIMES STUDENT CROSSING, IS STUDENT GOING, SOMETIMES SOMEBODY PARKING IN THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE SOMEBODY PICK UP THE STUDENT THIS LIKE THAT.
BUT I KNOW UNDERSTAND BECAUSE ANOTHER SCHOOL IS CLOSE TO THE IRVING HIGH SCHOOL IN FRONT MIGHT OVER THERE.
AFTER NINE O'CLOCK, I THINK EVERYBODY STUDENT IS INSIDE THE SCHOOL.
IS VERY GOOD TIME. AFTER 9:00.
IN THE MEANTIME, I CAN DO THE ROOD TEST. THIS IS DONE.
AFTER SCHOOL AFTER FOUR O'CLOCK, 4: 30, I GIVE YOU ONE TO ROAD TEST, IS ENOUGH.
BECAUSE NOT ALL TIME STUDENT COMING DOING NONE THIS LIKE THAT.
MAYBE THREE, FOUR FIVE STUDENTS DO THE ROAD TEST EVERY DAY.
>> CAN YOU OPERATE IF WE CALL FOR NO DRIVING, NO WORK ON YOUR PROPERTY? CAN YOU DO YOUR BUSINESS IF WE JUST PROHIBIT TRAINING AND TESTING ON THE SITE?
>> I'M NOT CLEAR UNDERSTANDING.
>> YOU SAID THAT BASICALLY YOU'RE GOING TO GET IN A VEHICLE, YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO THE PEOPLE, YOU'RE GOING TO TRAIN THEM.
IF WE WERE NOT TO ALLOW YOU TO DO THE TRAINING OR THE TESTING ON THIS SITE, CAN YOU OPERATE?
>> YEAH. SOMETIME STUDENT COMING THE SCHOOL. I'M COMING HERE.
SOMETIMES WE GOT GARCIA PARENTS DROP MY SCHOOL.
>> SOMETIMES STUDENTS ARE DROPPED OFF?
>> SOMETIME, BUT NOT ALL TIME BECAUSE I PROVIDE ALL TIME PICK UP AND DROP BECAUSE THE STUDENT NOT DRIVING FIRST TIME.
>> EVEN WHEN THE STUDENTS DROPPED OFF, YOU COULD DRIVE THE CAR OUT OF THE SITE,
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CHANGE PLACES OR WHATEVER YOU DO.YOU COULD NOT DO THE ACTUAL TRAINING ON THE SITE.
YOU COULD DRIVE OFF THE SITE AND GO ON PUBLIC ROADS AND START THE TRAINING THERE AND TESTING.
>> I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING PROPERLY. I'M SORRY, MA'AM.
>> WELL, THE TRAINING IS WHEN THE STUDENT'S DRIVING?
>> COULD YOU JUST MAKE IT SO THE STUDENT NEVER DRIVES ON THIS PROPERTY THAT YOU DRIVE OFF THE PROPERTY, THE YOU LET THE STUDENT TAKE OVER, YOU DO YOUR TRAINING ON PUBLIC ROADS?
>> OH, I'M SORRY. I UNDERSTAND.
I PICK UP, BUT I DON'T GIVE YOU STEERING OVER THERE.
I GO ANOTHER WHEN REMOTE AREA, THIS IS A VERY QUIET AREA, THEN I GIVE THE STEERING AND PRACTICE OVER THERE.
I'M NOT GIVE IT OVER THERE BECAUSE OVER THERE IS, A LOT OF INTERSECTION ROAD.
IS FIRST TIME I DON'T GIVE YOU STARING OVER THERE. NO.
DO YOUR PARALLEL PARKING TESTING SOMEWHERE ELSE?
>> NO. PRACTICE PARALLEL PARKING IS OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY, AND ONLY FOR TEST TIME, I CAN DO THE PRACTICE, TAKE THE ROAD TEST IN THE PROPERTY.
>> BUT YOU CAN'T DO THE TESTING PARALLEL PARKING.
>> DOES ALL PARALLEL PARKING TESTING?
>> YES. MUST DO THE PARALLEL PARKING. WHO CAN TO DO THE TESTING?
>> MUST DO THAT. YOU DON'T AVOID THE PARALLEL PARKING WHILE DO THE EXAM.
MUST YOU CAN DO THE PARALLEL PARKING.
>> YOU MUST DO IT, BUT DOES IT HAVE TO BE DONE ON YOUR SITE WHERE YOU ARE OPERATING?
COULD YOU DO YOUR BUSINESS BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING CLASSROOM ALSO? COULD YOU DO THIS WITHOUT ANY PARKING, DRIVING OR ANYTHING ON THIS PROPERTY? IN OTHER WORDS, YOU WOULD JUST DO THE CLASSROOM INSTRUCTION.
COULD YOU OPERATE YOUR BUSINESS THAT WAY?
>> INSIDE THE CLASSROOM, MAYBE ONE OR TWO STUDENT, BUT NOBODY CAN PARKING OVER THERE BECAUSE CLASSROOM ONLY FOR DRIVING EDUCATION COURSE.
HE DON'T DRIVE. BECAUSE BEFORE DRIVING, HE NEED TO COMPLETE THE COURSE.
THAT'S WHY HE DON'T DRIVE AND PARKING OVER THERE, NOT THIS LATER.
IN CASE PARENTS OR UBER, LYFT, HE CAN COMING OVER THERE, HEAD DROP AND GO.
>> BUT THE SITE WOULD BE RESTRICTED ONLY TO A CLASSROOM INSTRUCTION.
>> SO THERE WOULD BE NO DRIVING, THERE WOULD BE NO PARALLEL PARKING TO HAVE.
>> BY STUDENTS >> BY STUDENTS?
>> NO JUST ONLY FOR DIVING EDUCATION COURSE.
BEFORE LEARNERS PERMIT, YOU UNDERSTAND BASIC IDEA HOW TO DO RULES AND REGULATION HERE, SIGN SYMBOLING.
THEN HE PASS, THEN I GIVE YOU CERTIFICATE.
THIS CERTIFICATE, HE GO TO THE DPS OFFICE AND TAKE THE LEARNERS PERMIT.
THEN HE START THE DRIVING PRACTICE IN THE ROAD WITHOUT NOT.
THIS IS STUDENT NOT DOING THE PARALLEL PARKING WITH IT.
>> YOU COULD ELIMINATE ANY TYPE OF PARKING, DRIVING ON THIS FACILITY.
IT WOULD ONLY BE CLASSROOM INSTRUCTION.
THAT WOULD WORK FOR YOUR BUSINESS?
I CAN DO THE DPS AUTHORIZED EXAM.
>> WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE IF THIS WORKS WITH YOUR BUSINESS.
BASICALLY, IF YOU'RE DOING CLASSROOM INSTRUCTION, YOU'RE ALSO TAKING THE STUDENT OUT AND HE'S ON PUBLIC ROADS, AND YOU'RE WITH HIM AND YOU HAVE SECONDARY CONTROL OF THE VEHICLE.
THIS COMES BACK TO THIS WHOLE THING WITH PARALLEL PARKING, DO YOU NEED THAT IN ORDER FOR THIS BUSINESS TO BE SUCCESSFUL THAT YOU HAVE OR CAN YOU DO IT WITH CLASSROOM INSTRUCTION AND HAVING THE STUDENT OUT ON PUBLIC STREETS? THEN BASICALLY HE PASSES THE WRITTEN EXAM, AND THEN HE GOES TO DPS TO SEE IF HE CAN GET PASS AND GET A LICENSE FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS.
>> CLASSROOM ONLY FOR I CAN JUST I GIVE YOU DIRECTION AND I GIVE YOU TO INSTRUCTION, THIS LIKE THAT.
NOT PHYSICALLY, I CAN GO AND SHOW THE PARALLEL PARKING OVER THERE.
BECAUSE WHEN HE GOT THE LEARNERS PERMIT.
WHEN HE PASSED WRITTEN TEST, THEN GOT THE LEARNERS PERMIT, THEN I GO TO THE ROAD AND THIS AREA, I CAN GO THIS AREA, I CAN DO THE PRACTICE IN THE PARALLEL PARKING, NOT MY PROPERTY.
>> COMMISSION WE HAVE ASKED ALL THE QUESTIONS WE'RE GOING TO ASKED [INAUDIBLE].
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>> I THINK WE'RE BEATING THIS ISSUE TO DEATH.
>> HOW LONG IS THE NORMAL COURSE FOR A STUDENT WHEN HE SIGNS UP.
>> ONE STUDENT ONE HOUR, SOMETIMES SOMEBODY TAKE TWO HOURS.
>> THIS MAYBE ONE STUDENT MINIMUM 10 HOURS MEANS 10 DAYS.
SOMETIMES SOMEBODY TAKE EVERY DAY TWO HOURS CLASS.
>> I THINK THE FREQUENCY OF THE PARALLEL PARKING ACTUAL USE IS VERY SMALL COMPARED TO THE TOTAL PROGRAM IN THERE.
HE'S GIVEN US SOME GOOD GUIDELINES OF WHAT HE CAN DO, AVOIDING THE HEAVY TRAFFIC AREAS, THE TIMES, AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND I THINK HE CAN WORK THIS THING OUT WITHOUT US TRYING TO PUT RESTRICTIONS THAT YOU CAN'T DO IT HERE.
YOU GOT TO MOVE IT THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
>> CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE CAN HAVE SOME MORE DISCUSSION.
>> IT'S 6:30, WE HAVE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
JUST AS A PIECE OF BUSINESS, JUST REMEMBER, WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT LAND USE, AND WHAT CAN WE ADDRESS AS FAR AS HOW THIS SPECIFIC PIECE OF PROPERTY IS BEING USED IN ORDER TO CONSIDER THIS SUP? I'LL SAY THAT PERSONALLY, THIS DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE GREAT SPOT IN THE WHOLE WORLD TO DO THIS.
HOWEVER, AND I ALREADY MENTIONED ABOUT THE FACT.
WE'VE TRIED TO RENEGOTIATE AND ORGANIZE THE PARALLEL PARKING THING.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE IN A POSITION TO EITHER HOW WE WOULD MAKE A RESTRICTION OR HOW ANYBODY WOULD ENFORCE WHERE AND HOW ON THIS PROPERTY PARALLEL PARKING WAS OPERATED OR EVEN SOME ENFORCEABILITY.
COMMISSIONER GUSTIN STARTED TO TOUCH ON THE FACT, WE CAN APPROVE THE SUP WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THERE BE NO DRIVING TRAINING ON THIS PROPERTY.
THAT ALL DRIVING TRAINING AND TESTING WILL HAPPEN OFFSITE OF THIS PROPERTY OUT IN THE CITY JUST LIKE THE DPS INSTRUCTORS DO, JUST LIKE THE SCHOOL INSTRUCTORS DO.
YOU DON'T PARALLEL PARK IN FRONT OF THE DPS OFFICE.
YOU PARALLEL PARK AT PENNINGTON FIELD OR KROGER OR SOME SCHOOL OR SOME PARKING LOT SOMEWHERE, BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MANY DANGER SIGNS IN THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, THE WAY IT'S CONFIGURED, IN MY OPINION, WITH THE ENTRANCES AND THE SMALL SIZE AND THE NUMBER OF OTHER BUSINESSES THERE TO ALLOW ANY DRIVING TRAINING OR TESTING ON THIS PROPERTY.
WE CAN HAVE HIM BE THERE FOR CLASSROOM INSTRUCTION ONLY AND NO DRIVING TRAINING OR TESTING ON THE PROPERTY.
>> WE CAN'T SAY TESTING BECAUSE HE PROBABLY HAS TO TEST IN THE BUILDING.
>> DRIVING TRAIN. NO, DRIVABLE TRAIN, DRIVABLE TESTING.
HE CAN TEST THE PARALLEL PARKING ANYWHERE OUT WHERE THEY'RE DRIVE TESTING, HOW YOU DRIVE AND DO STOP SIGN.
>> WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING CLASSROOM INSTRUCTION ONLY, AND I BELIEVE HE SAID HE COULD WORK WITH THAT.
>> I'M TRYING TO FIND HERE. LET ME SEE.
>> ROGER IS SCROLLING BACKWARDS.
>> I'M TRYING TO FIND. WELL, I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIND THE NUMBER.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER SUP 25-10.
HOWEVER, THIS WOULD ONLY BE FOR CLASSROOM INSTRUCTION ON THAT LOCATION.
>> AND INSTRUCTION AND TESTING CLASSROOM.
>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, BY YOUR HAND. ANY OPPOSED? WE'VE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THERE BE NO DRIVING,
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TRAINING, OR TESTING ON THE PROPERTY.OUR NEXT ITEM IS ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.
[3. Conduct a public hearing and consider making a recommendation to City Council regarding a rezoning of the property described as Harwood Oaks Plaza Block 1 Lot 1 from Light Commercial to Light Commercial / Specific Use Permit – Indoor Amusement Centers. The property is generally located north of Harwood Road, to the east of Martin Drive, and commonly known as 3225 Harwood Road Suite F. (SUP-25-8) ]
CONSIDER MAKING RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A REZONING OF THE PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS HARWOOD OAKS PLAZA BLOCK 1, LOT 1 FROM LIGHT COMMERCIAL TO LIGHT COMMERCIAL SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, INDOOR AMUSEMENT CENTER.PROPERTY IS GENERALLY LOCATED NORTH OF HARWOOD ROAD TO THE EAST OF MARTIN DRIVE, AND COMMONLY KNOWN AS 3225, HARWOOD ROAD, SUITE F, I GUESS THAT'S F. SUP 25-8, STAFF FOR FOUR.
DID YOU JUST WANDER AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, LOOKING FOR PLACES? [LAUGHTER]
>> WELL, IT MADE PUTTING OUT THE PUBLIC HEARING SIGNS REAL EASY.
THIS LOCATION RIGHT UP THE ROAD, I'VE CROPPED THE PICTURE, BUT IF I WERE TO EXTEND IT, THE DRIVING SCHOOL IS OVER HERE ON SIDE OF MARTIN.
THIS SUP OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS FOR AN INDOOR AMUSEMENT CENTER.
A LITTLE BREAKDOWN OF THAT SUMMARY IS THAT THE LOCATION HAS A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR A NOVELTY STORE USE THAT WAS OBTAINED IN MAY 2025.
HOWEVER, THE INCLUSION OF FIVE COIN-OPERATED MACHINES TRIGGERS THE REQUIREMENT OF AN INDOOR AMUSEMENT CENTER.
THE DEFINITION OF INDOOR AMUSEMENT CENTER IS IN [INAUDIBLE] PACKET.
BUT ESSENTIALLY THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.
THIS IS A GIANT MAIN EVENT OR GIANT PARK.
THIS IS SIMPLY THE ADDITION OF THOSE MACHINES TRIGGERS THAT REQUIREMENT. THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING THIS ROUTE.
ACCORDING TO THE APPLICATION, THERE'S GOING TO BE ONE EMPLOYEE ONSITE, AND OPERATING HOURS ARE EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY FROM 8:00 AM TO 11:00 PM.
AS I NOTED RIGHT NOW, THIS LOCATION HAS A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AS OF MAY OF 2025.
HOWEVER, AS OF A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO IN THE PICTURES AND GOING OUT, THE LOCATION HADN'T OPENED. I BELIEVE THAT'S STILL THE CASE?
>> THAT'S STILL THE CASE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS A SINGLE STORY COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTER.
IT'S DIVIDED INTO SEVEN SUITES. SEVERAL ARE VACANT.
HOWEVER, CURRENTLY OCCUPIED ARE A STAFFING AGENCY AT THE VERY END AND A COFFEE/CIGAR LOUNGE RIGHT NEXT TO THIS PROPOSED USE.
IF THE ITEM RECEIVES APPROVAL, THE OTHER REQUIREMENT FOR PROCESSING THIS TYPE OF APPLICATION WOULD BE REGISTRATION THROUGH THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.
CHAPTER 14 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES REQUIRES REGISTRATION FOR COIN-OPERATED MACHINES FOR INDOOR AMUSEMENT CENTERS.
I BELIEVE THAT'S A TECHNICAL TERM.
BUT YES, THAT APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT ON THE ZONING COMPONENT BEING APPROVED, AND THIS IS WHAT THIS IS. ZONING MAP.
THIS LOCATION IS ZONED AS LIGHT COMMERCIAL RIGHT ADJACENT TO HEAVY COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL ZONING TO THE NORTH, HOWEVER, THAT'S THE SCHOOL.
THEN TO THE SOUTH OF IT WOULD HAVE ANOTHER COMMERCIAL USE UNDER THAT PUD.
FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AGAIN, THIS PROPERTY IS ANOTHER PROPERTY IN THE SUBURBAN STRIP COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
AGAIN, SIMILAR TYPES OF COMMERCIAL USES, ARE CATEGORIZED AND BROKEN UP.
SIMILARITIES AGAIN, LOW INTENSITY MIX OF RETAIL SERVICE AND OFFICE USES IN A ONE STORY STRUCTURE OR A SINGLE LINEAR STRIP TYPICALLY LOCATED ALONG MAJOR ROADWAYS, AGAIN, HARWOOD ROAD, AND THEN EXCLUSIVELY CATERS TO AUTO TRAFFIC WITH THE FOLKS ON COMMUNITY DRIVING ACROSS AN AMPLE FRONTAGE PARKING, WHICH THIS LOCATION IS THAT.
THIS IS A VIEW OF THE FRONT OF THE LOCATION, A VIEW OF THE SIGN.
I BELIEVE THERE'S A LITTLE OFFICE RIGHT WHERE THE TREES ARE.
THERE'S AN OFFICE USE TUCK THERE, AND THEN I BELIEVE THERE'S A PIZZA HUT OR RESTAURANT NEXT TO THAT TOO.
AGAIN, SEVERAL SUITES WITHIN THAT LOCATION AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET WOULD BE MORE COMMERCIAL RETAIL, KFC, TIRE STORE AND THEN OTHER COMMERCIAL BEHIND THAT.
SITE PLAN, SO THIS LOCATION WILL BE IN SUITE F OUT OF THE SEVEN SUITES THAT ARE IN THAT LOCATION.
ELEVEN PROPERTY OWNERS ARE NOTIFIED, BUT LIKE THE OTHER ONE, ZERO RESPONSES TO THE NOTIFICATION.
THE INTEGRATION OF THE GAMING MACHINES WITHIN THE RETAIL LOCATION COULD AFFECT TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND PROMOTE LOTERING AROUND THE LOCATION GIVEN THE HOURS OF OPERATION THAT WERE PROPOSED.
DUE TO THE NUMBER OF MACHINES, THIS CLASSIFIES AS AN INDOOR AMUSEMENT CENTER.
IT'S THE FIVE MACHINES THAT TRIGGERS THE FOUR, BUT IT'S THE INCLUSION OF THE GAME MACHINES THAT TRIGGERS THIS CLASSIFICATION AS AN INDOOR AMUSEMENT CENTER.
POSSIBLE CONDITIONS CAN BE SET IF THE COMMISSION DETERMINES THAT THERE ARE SOME COMPATIBILITY CONCERNS AND THAT COULD ADDRESS ANY LAND COMPATIBILITY CONCERNS.
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THEN THE OTHER COMPONENT OF THIS WOULD BE TO REGISTER THROUGH THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD UPDATE AND MAKE NOTE WITHIN THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.>> THE FINAL ITEM IS AN AUTOMATIC ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS.
>> THAT WOULD BE THROUGH THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.
>> BASED ON COUNSEL APPROVAL OF MACHINES IN THE BUILDING.
ONCE THAT'S ALL APPROVED, THAT LAST ITEM, SECRETARY AND ALL THAT, THAT'S A REGULAR OPERATION.
>> YEAH. THAT'S ADMINISTRATIVE THROUGH THEM. YIELD MY TIME?
>> IN YOUR DEEPER DETAILED TEXT, YOU TALKED ABOUT PARKING.
ADDRESS PARKING ON THIS SITE, PLEASE.
>> LET'S GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN.
THIRTY-NINE PARKING SPACES ARE PROVIDED ON THE SITE PLAN.
IF ALL THE USE WERE RETAIL, WE WOULD HAVE 33 SPACES WHERE ADDITIONAL WITH SIX SPACES THAT ARE EXTRA.
THIS LOCATION WOULD ONLY REQUIRE FOUR.
HOWEVER, THROWING A CURVEBALL IN HERE, IT'S UNKNOWN WHETHER THE INCLUSION OF THE GAME MACHINES WITH THE FIVE OF THEM WOULD GENERATE MORE TRAFFIC ONTO THE PROPERTY OR HOW THE IMPACT OF THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
>> BEFORE WE OPEN THEM UP, COULD WE SURMISE THAT IF THERE ARE FIVE MACHINES IN THE BUILDING, THERE'S GOING TO BE FIVE PEOPLE PARKED IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING ALL THE TIME IN ADDITION TO RETAIL TRAFFIC PARK ABILITY?
>> A PERSON OCCUPYING THAT MACHINE MAY DRIVE UP TO THE LOCATION AND PARK THEIR VEHICLE AT THE LOCATION, SO THAT WOULD BE FAIR.
>> OPERATIONALLY AS A PLANNING PERSON, IS THERE A WAY TO CALCULATE THAT THING? FOR INSTANCE, IF THIS WAS A RESTAURANT THAT HAD TABLES, WOULD THAT RECALCULATE THE PARKING NEED IN THIS LOCATION?
>> IF THE LOCATION WERE SOLELY INDOOR AMUSEMENT, THEN WE WOULD CHANGE THE PARKING RATIO.
I THINK AS RETAIL, IT'S 1:250.
INDOOR AMUSEMENT CHANGES IT DOWN TO 1:100.
I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THE RATIO IS.
HOWEVER, THIS IS AN ODD ONE SINCE THE, AND I THINK THERE'S A FLOOR PLAN INSIDE [INAUDIBLE] PACKETS TOO.
WE'RE TREATING AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO THE LOCATION, BUT IT WOULD STILL LIKELY GENERATE TRAFFIC TO THE LOCATION.
IT'S TREATED AS A MIX OF BOTH INDOOR AMUSEMENT AND RETAIL.
ONE FALLS IN THE MIDDLE OF BOTH.
>> ON THIS SAME TRAIN, INDULGE ME JUST A MOMENT.
I WANT TO TIPTOE INTO THE FACT THAT THE ADJACENT SPACE IS THE CIGAR LAND.
IT HAS TABLES AND CHAIRS AND THINGS.
HOW DID WE CALCULATE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR A BUSINESS THAT HAS A SIT DOWN STAY COMPONENT OF IT?
>> RESTAURANT OR THOSE TYPES OF USES ARE CALCULATED AT ONE OF TWO.
IT'S THE 1:150 WITH DRIVE THROUGH AND ALL OTHERS.
SIT DOWN IS, I BELIEVE IT'S ONE PER 2.5 SEATS AND A SIT DOWN WITH NO DRIVE THROUGH, 01:150 WITH THE LOCATION.
I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK ON THAT.
>> JUST IN GENERAL KNOWING HOW THAT LOUNGE IS.
HOW MANY PARKING SPACES WOULD THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY HAD ACCESS TO FOR THAT BUSINESS THAT'S NEXT DOOR?
>> THAT LOCATION RECEIVED A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK.
THAT WAS CALCULATED BACK IN USE WHEN THAT WENT THROUGH.
THEY'RE IN OPERATION. THEY'VE RECEIVED APPROVAL WITH THE PARKING.
>> I WOULD JUST THINK THIS IS A SIMILAR USE, IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE NEXT DOOR, WHERE WE'RE INVITING PEOPLE TO COME IN AND STAY FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.
HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE PARKING IN A FAIRLY SMALL LOCATION?
>> IT WOULD LIKELY GENERATE ADDITIONAL PARKING TO THAT LOCATION.
>> I GOT A QUICK QUESTION. BECAUSE THEY HAVE FIVE MACHINES, THERE'S A PROCESS AROUND THAT.
WHAT IF THEY HAD FOUR? WOULD WE BE GOING THROUGH THE SAME THING?
>> THE TRIGGER IS FOUR OR MORE.
THE TRIGGER WOULD BE FOUR OR MORE COIN-OPERATED MACHINES.
>> WOULD NOT MEET THE DEFINITION OF THAT.
>> THEY WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS?
>> NOT THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE INDOOR AMUSEMENT.
HOWEVER, EACH MACHINE WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE REGISTERED THROUGH THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.
I BELIEVE THAT'S STILL A COMPONENT.
THE ADDITION OF THE FOUR MACHINES TRIGGERS THE INDOOR AMUSEMENT CENTER REQUIREMENT.
ANYTHING LESS THAN THAT DOESN'T TRIGGER THAT REQUIREMENT.
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HOWEVER, THE REGISTRATION OF MACHINES STILL IS REQUIRED THROUGH THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE THEIR STATE LICENSE THROUGH THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.
>> THAT'S AUTOMATIC AT THREE OR LESS, THAT REGISTRATION APPROVAL?
WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
>> HOW ARE YOU ALL DOING THIS EVENING? THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. MY NAME IS SHAWNA.
I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF PARIS GIFTS AND GEORGE GARCIA, WHO IS HERE, JUST WANTED TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW BEDFORD IS A BEAUTIFUL CITY.
HE CHOSE BEDFORD BECAUSE HE SEES THAT IT'S GROWING VIBRANT.
IT'S A VIBRANT COMMUNITY WITH A WELCOMING ATMOSPHERE AND DIVERSE POPULATION.
HE BELIEVES PARIS GIFTS WILL COMPLIMENT THE LOCAL CHARM BY OFFERING A UNIQUE FUN SHOPPING EXPERIENCE THAT RESIDENTS AND VISITORS CAN ENJOY YEAR ROUND.
HE JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT IN THERE.
AGAIN, WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
>> WHEN I WAS READING THE PACKET, IT SAID THAT IT'S GOING TO BE ESSENTIALLY A STORE WHERE YOU CAN SHOP AND BUY GIFTS AND SMALL ITEMS AND TRINKETS.
THE FIVE GAMING MACHINES WERE BASICALLY TO GIVE PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T SHOPPING MAYBE THE SPOUSE OR A CHILD SOMETHING TO DO WHILE THE OTHERS SHOPPED.
IS THAT STILL THE PLAN, OR IS IT MORE OR LESS GOING TO BE AN AMUSEMENT CAFE TYPE AREA?
>> THE GOAL IS REALLY, HONESTLY, A LOT OF HIS PREVIOUS CUSTOMERS REQUESTED THESE MACHINES.
TO JUST MEET THE NEEDS FOR HIS CUSTOMERS, HE DECIDED THAT HE WOULD PUT A FEW IN FOR WHEN INDIVIDUALS THAT DO COME IN TO SHOP.
IF THEY DO CHOOSE TO SPEND THEIR TIME PLAYING IT, THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN SOME OF THE FUN GADGETS THAT HE WILL HAVE THERE.
HE'S GOING TO HAVE GA GIFTS, THINGS FOR FATHERS ON FATHER'S DAY, FUNNY GIFTS, HOWEVER, AND MOTHERS ON MOTHER'S DAY.
IT'S JUST GOING TO BE LIKE A FUN ATMOSPHERE WHERE YOU CAN SHOP THERE AND IF THEY CHOOSE TO STAY A LITTLE LONGER, THEY'RE MORE THAN WELCOME.
BUT HOWEVER, THE TRAFFIC WILL BE MONITORED, AS WELL AS THE TYPE OF CUSTOMERS THAT WILL BE TRYING TO STAY IN.
HE WILL NOT ALLOW ANY LOITERING OF ANY KIND, ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
IT'S JUST LIKE, HEY, WHILE YOU'RE HERE SHOPPING, WE WANT TO ATTRACT YOU WHILE YOU'RE HERE SHOPPING AND HAVING FUN, YOU CAN ALSO WHILE YOU'RE WAITING, MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO BE HERE, LIKE YOU STATED, MAYBE THE WIFE IS SHOPPING.
THE HUSBAND IS JUST NOT WANTING TO SIT IN THE CAR, HE CAN SIT THERE AND PLAY A FEW GAMES.
>> WHEN YOU SET UP A PLAN FOR YOUR STORE, WERE THE GAMING MACHINES PART OF THAT OR WAS THE STORE FIRST AND THEN THE GAMING MACHINES?
>> WOULD YOU CONSIDER THE STORE OPERATIONS ABLE TO OPERATE INDEPENDENT OF THE GAMING MACHINES, IF THAT WERE TO BE YOUR DECISION?
>> IT IS SOMETHING THAT HE WOULD CONSIDER BECAUSE THE HEART OF THIS IS REALLY THE RETAIL.
BUT IN ALL HONESTY, IN THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS RETAIL, THOSE MACHINES WILL HELP.
>> THESE MACHINES ARE THEY'RE STATE REGULATED?
>> YES. HE'S ALREADY BEEN ISSUED THE STATE PERMIT, AS WELL AS THE STICKERS FOR EACH MACHINE THAT HE IS APPLYING FOR.
>> THEY REQUIRE 21-YEAR-OLD AGE LIMIT?
>> YES, MA'AM. THAT WILL BE MONITORED CAREFULLY, AS WELL AS HOW THOSE MACHINES ARE BEING USED.
>> I SAW THAT YOU HAVE YOU PLAN TO HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE?
>> CHECKING PEOPLE OUT, STOCKING, WORKING THE ROOM, AND THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE HOW CLOSE IS THE I DIDN'T SEE ON YOUR DIAGRAM IF THE CHECKOUT WAS CLOSE TO WHERE THE FIVE MACHINES WERE?
THE CHECKOUT WOULD BE RIGHT AT THE FRONT TOWARDS THE EAST END, AND THE MACHINES WOULD BE ON THE WEST END RIGHT IN FRONT SO THAT THEY CAN BE MONITORED.
THERE WILL ALSO BE CAMERAS INSIDE AS WELL.
>> IS THERE ANY CONCERN ABOUT THE TEENAGERS FROM THE SITE RIGHT TO THE NORTH OF THIS, THE HIGH SCHOOL COMING AND WANTING TO PLAY? NOT BEING OF AGE.
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>> THERE IS NO CONCERN BECAUSE HE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS HEAVILY.
HE IS HEAVILY MONITORING THAT.
IN ORDER FOR AN INDIVIDUAL TO GAIN ACCESS TO THAT GAME OR THAT MACHINE, HE WILL HAVE TO SAY, WELL, YES, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO GO AHEAD AND PLAY IT.
IT'LL HAVE NOTES ON THERE SPECIFICALLY STATING THE AGE THAT YOU NEED TO BE TO EVEN BE ABLE TO BE IN FRONT OF THAT MACHINE.
>> I ASSUME THEIR CREDIT CARD.
IS IT GOING TO BE CREDIT CARD OR CASH? JUST HAD A CURIOSITY.
>> I HAVE DRIVEN BY THIS SITE AT NIGHT, AND THEN WHEN THE CIGAR PLACE HAS AN EVENT, THE PARKING LOT IS FULL.
BUT THOSE WILL JUST BE TOUGH DAYS FOR YOU TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS?
>> TO PLAY THIS GAME, THESE GAMES, THERE'S NO ID NEED TO BE SHOWN?
>> YES. THERE WILL BE AN ID THAT HAS TO BE PRESENT, AND THEY WILL HAVE TO PRESENT IT.
IF THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO PRESENT IT, THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PLAY THE MACHINE.
>> YOU MADE MENTION OF CURRENT CUSTOMERS.
THIS IS A NEW BUSINESS THAT HAS YET TO OPEN.
HELP US WITH YOU SAID HIS CURRENT CUSTOMERS. WHERE ARE THEY?
>> HE ALSO HAS AN ESTABLISHMENT IN FORT WORTH, TEXAS CALLED PARIS GIFTS AS WELL.
>> THAT LOCATION HAS [INAUDIBLE].
>> THEY DID. HE MOVED THEM OUT.
HE'S THINKING OF WANTING TO SOLELY BE HERE IN BEDFORD.
>> THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> IT'S 6: 51, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> THE ONLY THING THAT COMES TO MIND TO ME IS AND YOU MENTIONED THE CIGAR SHOP.
THE APPLICANTS REQUEST IS THAT THEIR BUSINESS OPERATING HOURS WOULD BE 8:00 A:M-11:00 P.M.
THAT'LL BE THE ONLY THING THAT'S OPEN IN THAT STRIP CENTER AT 11:00 P.M, AS A GIFT SHOP.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CLOSING HOURS OF THE BUSINESSES IN THAT TRIP CENTER IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
>> I GUESS WE COULD HAVE ASKED THEM THAT, BUT I THINK THAT THEY WERE JUST GIVING US THE MOST HOURS, NOT KNOWING WHAT THEIR BUSINESS IS GOING TO BE, I THINK THAT 8-11 WAS THE MOST THE HOURS WOULD BE.
>> SURE. I JUST OUGHT TO THROW THAT WAS A IF EVERYBODY ELSE IS CLOSED AT 9 O'CLOCK, THEN MAYBE THAT OUGHT TO BE SOMETHING WE CONSIDER.
>> I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, I DON'T WANT TO STIPULATE THAT BECAUSE IF THEY'RE OPEN AND THE CIGAR SHOP CLOSES AT NINE, AND THEN THE PEOPLE WANDER OVER THERE TO BUY A PRESENT ON THEIR WAY HOME OR I DON'T SHOP ANYWHERE, SO I ALWAYS SHOP ONLINE.
I DON'T GO NOWHERE [LAUGHTER] BUT I CAN SEE PEOPLE THAT GET OFF WORK AT NINE OR OR SOME OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES AROUND THERE CLOSING AT NINE, LIKE THE RESTAURANTS AND PEOPLE GOING OVER THERE.
I HATE TO PUT A RESTRICTION ON THE TIME WHEN WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S NECESSARY OR IF WE'D SOMEHOW HURT THE BUSINESS, IF PEOPLE THAT DO WORK THE SECOND SHIFT WANT TO GO OVER THERE OR WHEN OTHER BUSINESSES CLOSE, THEY DO WANT TO STOP BY FOR ANYTHING.
>> GOOD POINT. THERE'S ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
>> I'LL BE HONEST. MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THESE MACHINES IS, AGAIN, I WAS A TEENAGER ONCE AND THAT SCHOOL BACKS RIGHT UP IT'S LITERALLY RIGHT THERE, AND KIDS WALK THAT WAY ALL THE TIME.
I'M JUST AFRAID THAT THE OVERSIGHT OF THE MACHINES WITH THAT ELEMENT OF CHILD AROUND BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO LINGER.
THEY'RE GOING TO LOITER. THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.
THEY LOITER. THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THIS.
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>> I GUESS JUST TO CLOSE MY POINT.
MY CONCERN IS WITH THE GAMING MACHINES AND WITH RESPECT TO THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY CREATE IN THE PARKING LOT WITH THE ISSUES WITH THE CIGAR LOUNGE.
THE COMPATIBILITY OF TRAFFIC THAT'S COMPETING BETWEEN THE TWO.
MY FEELING IS THAT THE GAMING MACHINES SEEM TO BE NOT RELATED PARTICULARLY TO THE CORE BUSINESS, AND THAT IT'S ALSO CREATING WHAT MAY BE A TRAFFIC ISSUE. THAT'S WHERE I AM.
>> WOULD THAT BE OUR CONCERN OR WOULD THAT BE A CONCERN FOR THE LANDLORD AND THE TENANTS TO WORK OUT?
>> OF COURSE, YEAH, IF SOMEBODY. I'M SORRY.
>> THAT'S OKAY. I JUST WASN'T SURE.
PARKING IS SOMETHING THAT WE REGULATE.
BUT ALSO THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT'S USUALLY MARKET DRIVEN AS WELL, SO THE PARKING IS SOMETHING THAT WE REGULATE AND THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT.
>> RIGHT NOW, THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING? EVEN WITH THE MACHINES, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING ARE MET.
THE MACHINES, AGAIN, SINCE IT'S LOOKED AT AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO THE RETAIL, WE NORMALLY DON'T LOOK AT PARKING FOR ACCESSORY USES LIKE THAT.
THE CONCERN AS WAS STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT WAS THAT THESE COULD CHANGE THE USE OF A RETAIL USE THAT WE NORMALLY WOULDN'T LOOK AT, SO.
>> THANK YOU WEST. IF OUR DISCUSSION IS OVER, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON CASE SUP-25-8.
>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE SUP. WAS IT 25-08?
>> WE HAVE A MOTION THE SECOND TO APPROVE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
THIS WILL BE REFERRED ON TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL AT A LATER DATE.
THANK YOU FOLKS FOR COMING. GOOD LUCK IN YOUR NEW BUSINESS.
JUST SINCE WE'VE CLOSED THAT PART, WHEN DO YOU EXPECT TO OPEN?
>> AS SOON AS WE GET THE PERMIT
>> IT WILL BE IN A MONTH, BUT HE'S STILL WAITING ON A PRETTY SIGN.
ALSO WANTS TO MAKE SURE IT LOOKS PERFECT.
>> TO LURE PEOPLE LIKE ME OUT OF MY HOUSE [LAUGHTER]
>> AWESOME. THANK YOU FOLKS VERY MUCH.
>> OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING IS TO CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO
[4. Conduct a public hearing and consider making a recommendation to City Council regarding a rezoning of the properties described as Oak Grove Estates Block 1 Lot 14 & Lot 15 from Industrial to Industrial / Specific Use Permit – Automobile Parking Lot and Areas. The properties are generally located south of Harwood Road, to the east of Renee Drive, and commonly known as 2721 Renee Drive and 2725 Renee Drive. (SUP-25-5) ]
CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTIES DESCRIBED AS OAK GROOVE ESTATES, BLOCK 1, LOT 14, AND LOT 15 FROM INDUSTRIAL TO INDUSTRIAL SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, AUTOMOTIVE PARKING LOT, AND AREAS.THE PROPERTIES ARE GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTH OF HARWOOD ROAD TO THE EAST OF RENEE DRIVE, AND COMMONLY KNOWN AS 2721 RENEE DRIVE AND 2725 RENEE DRIVE.
>> IT'S HARWOOD NIGHT. YES [OVERLAPPING]
>> LIKE I SAID YOU JUST DROVE UP AND DOWN HARWOOD LOOKING FOR STUFF TO DO.
>> LIKE I SAID, IT MADE PUTTING OUT THE PUBLIC HEARING SIGNS REALLY EASY THAT DAY.
I HAD TO BRING A CO-WORKER BESIDE.
IT WAS THE GROUND WAS DRY SO I COULDN'T STICK IN THE GROUND.
THIS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS AN APPLICATION FOR REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT AN AUTOMOBILE PARKING LOT ACROSS TWO INDIVIDUALLY PLATTED LOTS.
THE PROPERTY RIGHT IS SOUTH OF HARWOOD, EAST OF RENEE, ON THE EASTERN BOUND OF THE CITY.
LITTLE SIDE NOTE HERE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS IN RED AND THE LOT IS SUPPORTING A BUSINESS OR RATHER INTENDED TO SCREEN VEHICLES FROM THE BUSINESS WITH THE YELLOW STAR AT THE TOP, WITH THE ARROW POINTING WHERE THE VEHICLES WOULD BE MOVED TO.
BUT I'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND.
IT'S A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 40 SPACE VEHICLE PARKING LOT, TWO VACANT LOTS, TOTAL OF APPROXIMATELY HALF AN ACRE, 0.49 ACRES.
THE PARKING LOT WILL SERVE TO STORE AND SCREEN VEHICLES FROM THE ADJACENT AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR SHOP AT 4120 HARWOOD ROAD.
THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED FROM R 75 RESIDENTIAL TO INDUSTRIAL IN 2000, I BELIEVE, AS FAR AS I COULD GO BACK,
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IT'S JUST BEEN VACANT LAND.BUT ACCESS TO THE SITE WOULD BE MADE THROUGH THE ADJACENT 2801 RENEE DRIVE, LITTLE SIDE NOTE TO THAT.
IF THIS WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, ANY BUILDING PERMIT WOULD BE CONTINGENT ON AN ACCESS EASEMENT BEING GRANTED TO THAT PROPERTY THROUGH SEPARATE INSTRUMENT, BUT WE WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT.
ZONING MAP. THIS PROPERTY IS AGAIN INDUSTRIAL ZONING.
IT'S A CLUSTER OF R 75 RESIDENTIAL ZONING, INTERESTING LITTLE MIX OF INDUSTRIAL, HEAVY COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL, A WEIRD MIX OF ZONING IN THAT CORNER.
THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IDENTIFIES THIS PROPERTY AS FLEX SPACE IN THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THAT IS A COMPRISED OF A SERIES OF WAREHOUSE STYLE BUILDINGS CAPABLE OF HOUSING MULTIPLE INDUSTRIAL OFFICE SERVICE, AND RETAIL ACTIVITIES.
SITES VARY IN SCALE, BUILD A SUIT AND ARE TYPICALLY ONE STORY OR EXTENDED TRADITIONAL HEIGHT.
CAVEAT APPLICABILITY TO THIS ONE WOULD BE PARKING AND FREIGHT VIA ONSITE SURFACE PARKING AND DELIVERY AREA DIRECTED ASSOCIATED WITH EACH FLEX SPACE, NEARLY EXCLUSIVELY AUTO ORIENTED, AND OFTEN SECURED BY ACCESS GATE AND PERIMETER FENCING.
LANDSCAPING, MOST OFTEN LIMITED TO PERIMETER AND SCREENING AND STREET TREES.
WE'LL SAVE THAT AND APPLY IT TO LATER SLIDES. SITE PHOTOS.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS HAVE EVER BEEN DOWN THAT WAY, BUT IT'S INTERESTING LITTLE SIDE OF THE CITY.
OF THE FIRST PICTURE ON THE TOP LEFT WOULD BE LOOKING DOWN FROM RENEE DRIVE, LOOKING UP TO THE PROPERTY, TOP RIGHT PHOTO WOULD BE LOOKING FROM THE TOP OF THE PROPERTY, TO THE SOUTH, AND THEN TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY, AND THEN LOOKING ACROSS THE FIELD DIRECTLY TO THE WEST.
BUT THERE'S A NOTICEABLE ELEVATION CHANGE FROM THE BOTTOM TO THE TOP.
>> HERE'S A PROPOSED SITE PLAN OUTLINING HOW THE PROPERTY WOULD BE LAID OUT, HOW IT WOULD BE CONNECTED TO AT THE TOP RIGHT CORNER.
ACCESS WOULD BE MADE THROUGH THE LOT, NOT DIRECTLY FROM RENEE DRIVE, 40 SPACES ALONG THE LOT.
ONE NOTE TOO THAT WE WILL ALSO ADD IS THAT THERE IS A PROPOSED DETENTION POND TO THE SOUTH PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, OR THE STRIPES END, THERE'S A 21 FOOT WIDE DETENTION POND ON THAT PROPERTY FOR ENGINEERING CONCERNS.
A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WAS INCLUDED AS WELL.
THEY WOULD PROVIDE LANDSCAPING WITHIN THE INTERIOR OF THE PARKING LOT, AND THEN ALONG THE SIDE OF RENEE DRIVE AND ALONG THE RESIDENTIAL LOT TO THE SOUTH.
THERE'S LANDSCAPING PROVIDED ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY, EXCEPT TO THE NORTH WHERE YOU UP TO THE PROPERTY.
ONE EXCEPTION THAT IS MADE IS IN THE SCREENING AND FENCING SECTION, THERE ARE TALKS ABOUT FENCES ABUTTING INCOMPATIBLE DISTRICTS.
ANYTIME THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL LOT ADJACENT TO A COMMERCIAL/ INDUSTRIAL LOT, THERE HAS TO BE SOME SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TWO.
TYPICALLY, YOU'LL SEE A COMMERCIAL USE MOVE IN AFTER RESIDENTIAL AND THE SIX FOOT MASONRY WALL REQUIREMENT IS THE STANDARD OF SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TWO.
IN INSTANCES WHERE THERE'S A COMMERCIAL LOT GOING NEXT TO SOMETHING RESIDENTIAL AND THE LOT FOR RESIDENTIAL IS NOT DEVELOPED, THERE'S TWO OPTIONS IN THAT SECTION THAT TALK ABOUT PAYING INTO ESCROW.
THIS ONE FALLS INTO THE FOURTH CATEGORY WHERE IT'S ABUTTING A RESIDENTIAL LOT, BUT IT'S NOT BUILT RESIDENTIAL.
BUT THERE ARE UNIQUE CONDITIONS TO THE PROPERTY, WHEREAS WE CAN WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE MASONRY WALL.
BY THIS FACT, THERE IS ALMOST 30 FEET OF A BUFFER BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL LOT AND WHERE THE EDGE OF THE PARKING LOT WOULD BE DUE TO THE DETENTION POND ON THE PROPERTY, SPACING DETENTION POND AND JUST A LITTLE BUFFER.
GOING THROUGH THIS, WE BELIEVE THAT THAT'S A SUFFICIENT ENOUGH BARRIER WHERE THAT MASONRY WALL MAY NOT BE APPLICABLE DUE TO THE SEPARATION.
ALSO, THERE'S A 20-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT'S ALSO REQUIRED, BUT WHEN YOU'RE EXTENDING OUT 30 FEET, YOU ALREADY HAVE A DETENTION POND.
IT'S ENOUGH OF A SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TWO.
TWENTY THREE PROPERTY OWNERS WERE NOTIFIED FOR THIS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, ZERO RESPONSES TO THE NOTIFICATION. STAFF FINDINGS.
THE SITES CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PARKING LOT WOULD REQUIRE SITE AND DRAINAGE MODIFICATIONS.
THERE IS AN ENGINEERING COMPONENT AND THERE ARE ENGINEERING PLANS.
THEY ARE IN THE PACKET, AND THERE'S SOME NOTES MADE WITH THE ENGINEERING COMPONENT OF IT.
I LACKED THE ENGINEERING DEGREE,
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BUT ONE OF THE CONCERNS WITH ENGINEERING WAS THAT DRAINAGE FROM THE DETENTION POND WOULD JUST GO INTO RENEE DRIVE.AT THIS POINT, RENEE STOPS AT 2801 AND JUST TURNS INTO DIRT.
THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT DRAINAGE COMING STRAIGHT INTO THAT AND PILING UP.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANTS ACKNOWLEDGED THAT AND THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP TO THE APPLICANT AND THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED AT A LATER POINT THROUGH A PUBLIC WORK EXPERIMENT CONDITION OR APPROVAL.
WE BELIEVE THAT AN EXCEPTION TO THE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE BASED ON THE TOPOGRAPHICAL CONDITIONS.
AGAIN, NEARLY 30 FOOT SEPARATION BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL LOT AND THE COMMERCIAL LOT AND THE INCLUSION OF A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING.
THE PROPERTY DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEET ALL THE SEGMENTS OR GOALS OF THE FLEX PLACE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
BUT IT IS ASSISTING WITH THE SCREENING OF VEHICLES AWAY FROM THE EXISTING AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR SHOP TO THE NORTH WHICH FRONTS HARWOOD ROAD.
DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE WOULD BE CONTINGENT ON THE ISSUANCE OF A PUBLIC WORKS PERMIT THAT ADDRESSES DRAINAGE CONCERNS.
THAT COMPONENT WAS REVIEWED BY CITY ENGINEERING AND WAS MADE A NOTE.
>> ON THAT PARTICULAR COMPONENT, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE DO NOT NEED TO CONSIDER THE DRAINAGE AS A CONDITION TO THE SUP, SHOULD WE DECIDE TO GO THAT DIRECTION BECAUSE IT'S BAKED IN, OR DOES THAT NEED TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS?
>> RIGHT HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT READS THAT THAT'S ALREADY HANDLED.
>> YEAH, WHETHER YOU ADD IT AS A CONDITION OR NOT, THAT WILL BE A REQUIREMENT.
>> OKAY. BECAUSE WE DEAL WITH THE DRAINAGE STUFF A LOT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO SPECIFICALLY?
>> CORRECT. THAT'LL BE A STAFF APPROVED PERMIT.
>> I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE TO ASK FIRST.
THE FIRST ONE IS ABOUT NOTIFICATIONS.
WERE THE 11 HOMEOWNERS THERE NOTIFIED AND HOW?
>> WE MAIL OUT NOTICES TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND WE ARE ALL SUPPOSED TO SIGN.
>> WOULD THAT LIST OF HOUSES THERE ALL REQUIRE A NOTIFICATION? BECAUSE I LIVED THERE AND I DIDN'T GET NOTIFICATION SO I'M SOMEWHAT CONCERNED ABOUT NOTIFICATION TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
>> I HAVE A LIST. I CAN PULL THAT LIST FOR YOU, BUT WHEN WE RUN THE PROPERTY, EVERY PROPERTY THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN THAT BLUE SECTION.
>> THE HOUSES AREN'T IN THE BLUE.
>> THE HOUSES ARE NOT IN THE BLUE?
>> NO. THE NOTIFICATION ABOVE FOR 200 FEET ENDS.
>> THESE HOMES ON BRASHER DIDN'T GET NOTIFIED BECAUSE THEY ARE OUTSIDE OF THE 200 FOOT.
>> ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS MY ONE QUESTION.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NOTIFICATION WAS OKAY.
MY SECOND QUESTION ABOUT THE PONDS, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POND.
HOW DO WE DEAL WITH MOSQUITOES IN THESE PONDS? BECAUSE THAT BRASHER LANE HAS BEEN POSITIVE ALL THE TIME FOR THE WEST NILE VIRUS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THAT POND? IT'S NOT THE ONLY ONE, BUT WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THAT WHEN YOU WERE IN AN AREA WITH THE WEST NILE TEST POSITIVE EVERY TIME IT'S TESTED?
>> IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT. IT'S NOT A RETENTION POND.
WATER'S NOT GOING TO BE HELD IN THERE.
IT'S DETENTION, WHICH MEANS IT'LL SLOWLY FLOW OUT.
>> ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
LIKE I SAID, IF YOU READ IT, BRASHER LANE IS ALWAYS POSITIVE.
>> GOOD REVIEW. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.
>> TO THE LANDSCAPE PICTURE JUST TO BE CLEAR CLARIFICATION, THE SIX FOOT WOODEN PERIMETER FENCE IS OUTSIDE THE VEGETATION AND OUTSIDE THE DETENTION POND, RIGHT?
>> NO. THE VEGETATION IS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE FENCING.
>> THE DARK LINE TO THE SOUTH?
>> THIS IS INDICATIVE TO THE PROPERTY LINE, THE FEN [INAUDIBLE] OUT.
THIS WOULD BE THE PROPOSED FENCING AND THE LANDSCAPE WOULD GO IN BETWEEN THAT.
>> BUT THE POND IS INSIDE THE FENCE BETWEEN IT AND THE PARKING LOT?
>> OKAY. GOT IT. I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR WHERE THE PERIMETER FENCING WAS IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE POND. THANK YOU.
>> QUICK QUESTION, MAYBE YOU ANSWERED THIS FOR THE CHAIRMAN.
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WE'VE GOT A DETENTION POND THAT IS GOING TO SLOWLY DRAIN OUT, BUT IT'S GOING TO SLOWLY DRAIN OUT TO AN UNIMPROVED DIRT ROAD? YOU INDICATED THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE.CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE MORE?
>> YES. ENGINEERING ZONING TO PLAY A PART OF THIS, BUT THAT WAS A NOTE MADE BY ENGINEERING.
ANY SORT OF PERMIT OR ANY SORT OF MOVEMENT ON THIS PROPERTY WOULD HAVE TO SATISFY THAT REQUIREMENT THAT ENGINEERING SET.
AS FAR AS THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY TO ALLOW THE USE IS ONE COMPONENT, THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION IS ANOTHER FAIR ASSESSMENT.
>> NORMALLY, IT GOES THROUGH FIRE, POLICE, ENGINEERING?
>> DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE.
>> THEY DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT OR THEY DO, AND THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO MITIGATE THAT?
>> WE'RE FIRST LOOKING AT LAND USE.
THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS REVIEWED THIS AND THEY ARE OKAY WITH THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE.
THEY DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE OUTFALL GOING OUT TO THE STREET.
BUT THAT CAN BE HANDLED THROUGH THE PUBLIC WORKS PERMIT.
THEY DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE THEM GO THROUGH AND DO ADDITIONAL ENGINEERING WITHOUT THE LAND USE BEING APPROVED FIRST.
>> THEY'LL GO BACK AND REVISIT THAT? THAT MAKES SENSE.
>> WE WOULDN'T SEE THIS FOR A MINUTE IF THAT STILL HAD TO BE ADDRESSED.
>> CAN I TALK ONE MORE TIME ABOUT THE FENCE? WHERE'S THE FENCE? IT'S ON ALL THE SIDES.
IT'S ON BOTH SIDES OF THE DRAINAGE AND ALL AROUND THE SITE?
>> FENCING IS HERE THROUGH THIS DASH LINE ON THE INSIDE OF THE FENCING.
>> IT'S ALL THE WAY AROUND. THE QUESTION I HAVE IS FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, SOMEONE BUILDS THOSE LOTS, AND FENCES DETERIORATE.
THERE IS NO SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT THAT I HAVE TO MAINTAIN MY HOME ONE, BUT I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE MAINTAINED LONG TERM.
IS THAT OUT OF MY PURSUE TO TALK ABOUT IT BEING MAINTAINED?
>> REGULAR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT IT'S A REQUIREMENT.
IF SOMEBODY CALLS IN AND SAYS, HEY, THERE'S A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WITH A DETERIORATING FENCE, CODE WILL GO OUT THERE AND NOTIFY THEM.
THERE STILL IS THAT OBLIGATION.
JUST BECAUSE THEY PUT UP THE FENCE DOESN'T WIPE THEIR HANDS, THEY'RE STILL RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
>> I CAN GO AHEAD? NOW IT'S 7:12, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM.
ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
ANYBODY? IF NOT, WE'LL TICK-TOCK. WELCOME, SIR.
>> THANK YOU. HOW ARE YOU? MY NAME IS GERALD STROBLE WITH HC ENGINEERING, ADDRESS 3540 EAST BROAD STREET.
ENRIQUE COVERED IT ALL PRETTY WELL.
THE WHOLE POINT IS TO TRY TO GET THE CARS AND ANY BUMPERS, WHAT NOT TO STORE ON THIS SLIDE AND GET IT OUT OF THE PUBLIC VIEW FOR THAT PANES COLLISION ON THE CORNER, SO IT'S AWAY FROM HARWOOD AND ALL THAT STUFF AND ALLOW THAT BUSINESS A LITTLE BIT EXTRA STORAGE SPACE.
OTHER THAN THAT, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> I DIDN'T NOTICE ANY LIGHTING ON THE PARKING LOT OR ANYTHING.
>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY LIGHTS ON NOW.
>> THAT'S FINE. IT'S JUST STORAGE BEHIND THE FENCE.
>> NICE AND DESIGN. I LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO ACCESS THE PARKING SPACE WITHOUT GOING ON RENEE WHERE YOU'RE ON THE BUSINESS PROPERTY IN THE CAR.
THAT WAS A NICE DESIGN FEATURE THERE.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. GOOD ENGINEERING WORK THERE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH COMMISSIONERS, OR I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS CASE SUP 25-5?
>> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE SUP 25-5 AS PRESENTED.
THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
YOU CERTAINLY HAVE A BUSY BUSINESS.
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>> YOU GUYS ARE PRETTY GOOD NEIGHBORS, TOO. THEY'RE NOT LOUD.
[5. Conduct a public hearing and consider making a recommendation to City Council regarding a rezoning of the property described as Stonegate Shopping Center Addn Lot 2 from Heavy Commercial to Heavy Commercial / Specific Use Permit – Outside Seating Establishment. The property is generally located north of Bedford Road, to the west of Brown Trail, and commonly known as 1313 Brown Trail. (SUP-25-3) ]
OUR LAST ITEM HERE IS CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A RE-ZONING OF THE PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS STONEGATE SHOPPING CENTER ADDITION LOT 2 FROM HEAVY COMMERCIAL TO HEAVY COMMERCIAL SPECIFIC USE PERMIT - OUTDOOR SEATING ESTABLISHMENT.THE PROPERTY IS GENERALLY LOCATED NORTH OF BEDFORD ROAD TO THE WEST OF BROWN TRAIL, AND COMMONLY KNOWN AS 1313 BROWN TRAIL.
>> HELLO AGAIN. I'M RUNNING OUT OF WATER, SO PLEASE THE LAST MINUTE.
[LAUGHTER] THIS IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST TIME A PERSON HAS MADE MY WAY UP.
THIS IS THE PARCEL ITSELF 1313 BROWN TRAIL.
NORTHWEST CORNER OF BEDFORD ROAD AND BROWN TRAIL.
I'M SURE WE'RE ALL PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA OF THE CITY.
THIS IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW THE ADDITION OF AN APPROXIMATELY 07,036 SQUARE FOOT PAVILION TO AN EXISTING RETAIL BUILDING AND BUSINESS.
WITHIN THE PAVILION, YOU WOULD HAVE A COMPONENT OF SEVERAL FOOD KIOSKS, SEVERAL DINING OPTIONS, SEATING AREA, ALL AROUND HANGOUT SPOT.
PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION BE SUPPLEMENTARY TO THE EXISTING BREWERY AT THE LOCATION.
THE TWO WOULD GO HAND IN HAND.
THIS WOULD BE FOR ASSISTING THAT.
ADJACENT USES AROUND THE SITE INCLUDE SMALLER RETAIL, CONVENIENCE GROCERY STORES, AND AN INDOOR PICKLEBALL FACILITY CURRENTLY UNDERGOING REMODEL.
THE RETAIL COMPONENT OR THOSE LITTLE STORES WOULD BE ON THE SOUTH BUILDING THAT FRONTS BEDFORD ROAD.
THE BUILDING ITSELF, THE MAIN ONE IN THE MIDDLE, WOULD HAVE THE BURY, AND HALF THE BUILDING IS UNDERGOING REMODEL FOR A PROPOSED PICKLEBALL FACILITY, WHICH FALLS UNDER RACQUETBALL.
A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON THE PROPERTY IS THERE'S A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR OUTDOOR SEATING ON THE PROPERTY THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FOR THE SITE.
THAT RAN ALONG THE FRONT PORTION OF THE LOCATION RIGHT BY THE FRONT DOORS OF TURNING POINT.
HOWEVER, SINCE WE'RE ADDING AND MODIFYING THE SITE PLAN, WE'VE GOT TO GET A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THIS COMPONENT. ZONING MAP.
THIS LOCATION FALLS WITHIN HEAVY COMMERCIAL ZONING.
WE'VE GOT A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO THE TOP, BLACK COMMERCIAL TO THE EAST, MULTI-FAMILY SERVICE COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH AND HEAVY COMMERCIAL AND MULTI FAMILY, A MIX OF THE TWO ON THE WEST SIDE.
FUTURE LAND USE MAP IDENTIFIES THIS PROPERTY AS BEING WITHIN THE VILLAGE CENTER DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
COMPONENTS OF THAT AGAIN, ARE MINOR DESTINATION, LEVEL DENSITY, MIXED USES THAT INCLUDE SHOPPING, DINING, ENTERTAINMENT, AND SOCIAL GATHERING SPACES WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF COMPLIMENTARY RESIDENTIAL OR OFFICE ACTIVITY.
INTRODUCES A LOCAL HANGOUT CONCEPT AND IS PREFERABLY WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OR BIKING DISTANCE.
I GET EXCITED BECAUSE THIS ONE BRINGS IN ANOTHER COMPONENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I GET TO VENTURE OUT OF MY THREE LITTLE PAGES THAT I STICK WITHIN. I GET TO GO OUTSIDE OF THAT.
NOW WE INTRODUCE THE CONCEPT OF DISTRICT AND PLACEMAKING.
ESSENTIALLY, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIED THREE AREAS WITHIN THE CITY THAT THEY'RE UNIQUE TO THAT AREA.
YOU HAVE BEDFORD COMMONS THAT WE LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT COMES UP A LOT, IDENTIFIED AS ONE OF THE DISTRICTS IN THE CITY.
THE MEADOWS DISTRICT IS ANOTHER ONE.
STONEGATE IS ANOTHER ONE THAT CENTERS RIGHT AROUND BEDFORD ROAD AND BROWN TRAIL, A LITTLE BIT SOUTH.
THE IDEA OF DISTRICT AND PLACEMAKING IS TO CREATE AND ADD USES AND DEVELOP AN AREA TO PROVIDE A UNIQUE IDENTITY THAT YOU CAN'T FIND ANYWHERE ELSE.
>> THINGS, AND CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS AREA WOULD BE UNIQUE TO THIS THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FIND UP PER WOODEN 121.
THIS SECTION OF THE CITY WOULD HAVE ITS OWN UNIQUE CHARACTER, AND FEEL.
WITH THAT, THERE IS A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING OF THE STONEGATE DISTRICT THAT IDENTIFIED THIS PROPERTY IN QUESTION.
WITH THAT, WE HAD A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED THAT COULD COMPLEMENT,
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AND GO WELL WITH USES IN THIS LOCATION, AND COMPLEMENT, AND BOOST DEVELOPMENT, AND OTHER USES IN THIS AREA.INCLUDED OUTDOOR SEATING, TREE WALLS, UPDATED SIGNS, PLANNING AREAS, ACTIVITIES, EVENT SPACE TABLES, FOOD TRUCKS, ENHANCED LIGHTING, OR ENHANCED LANDSCAPING.
WHEN WE TURN INTO THIS ONE, WE ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED A COUPLE OF COMPONENTS THAT WERE MET WITH THE INCLUSION OF THE PROPOSED PAVILION.
THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA, ACTIVITIES, EVENT SPACE, CORRECTION.
TABLES, FOOD TRUCKS, WELL NOT FOOD TRUCKS, WE DO HAVE FOOD KIOSKS SO THERE IS DINING, THERE'S A COMPONENT OF THAT IN THIS LOCATION.
AGAIN, THIS IS CONCEPTUAL, AND THIS ISN'T WHAT IT HAS TO BE, BUT IT IS BUILDING UPON THE IDEAS THAT WERE THOUGHT OF, AND IMPLEMENTED WELL OR THOUGHT OF THAT COULD IMPLEMENT WELL WITHIN THIS AREA.
SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL VOTED UPON A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO FOR THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS NOW IN THE BEGINNING OF STAGES OF COMING TO LIFE.
WE BELIEVE THIS WILL BE ONE OF THE FIRST OF MANY THAT WILL COME TO LIFE OUT OF THE COMP PLAN.
IT'S A SLOW WORK IN PROGRESS, BUT IT IS YIELDING SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS CAN SEE, AND THAT THE PUBLIC CAN SEE TOO.
SITE PHOTOS, SO THE TOP LEFT PICTURE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE CORNER OF TURNING POINT, LOOKING DOWN WHERE THE PROPOSED PAVILION WOULD GO.
THEN YOU HAVE A STRAIGHT SHOT OF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
I BELIEVE WITH LOWER RIGHT PICTURE WOULD BE LOOKING DIRECTLY AT THE BUILDING WHERE THE ADDITION OR THE PAVILION WOULD COME THROUGH, AND THE LOWER RIGHT PICTURE WOULD BE LOOKING AT WHERE THE PAVILION WOULD COME OUT THAT WAY.
SITE PLAN, THERE ARE A FEW ITERATIONS OF A SITE PLAN THAT WENT BACK, AND FORTH WITH THE APPLICANT TO ADJUST TO ACCOUNT FOR PARKING, AND ENSURE THAT OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT WENT WITH THE OUTDOOR SEATING COMPONENT WERE MET.
LITTLE TWEAKS HERE BACK, AND FORTH.
BUT THIS ALSO PROVIDES SOME ELEVATIONS THAT GIVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THE FINAL END RESULT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
THEY WERE COMPLIANT WITH TABC REGULATIONS, WHICH WERE A COMPONENT OF APPROVAL WITH THE OUTDOOR SEATING ESTABLISHMENT.
HERE'S ONE OF THE EARLY CONCEPTUAL ELEVATIONS.
OBVIOUSLY, THIS ISN'T THE FINAL PRODUCT, BUT IT GIVES AN IDEA OF WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT COULD LOOK LIKE.
AGAIN, GOT TO GO THROUGH A BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS, AND ALL THAT COMPONENT.
BUT THIS GIVES AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT COMPONENT WOULD LOOK LIKE, AND HOW IT BLEND IN WELL WITH THE OTHER USE.
NINETEEN PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED, ZERO RESPONSES TO NOTIFICATION, A SIGN WAS PLACED ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL. STAFF FINDING.
SITES CURRENTLY DEVELOPED, PROPOSED CHANGES, AND POSSIBLE APPLICANTS FOR POSSIBLE EFFECTS HAVE BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED BY THE APPLICANT.
THE ADDITION OF THE PAVILION WOULD AFFECT A DRAINAGE SWALE.
HOWEVER, WE'VE TALKED WITH THE APPLICANT, THAT IS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, HOW THAT WOULD BE RE ROUTED TO NOT AFFECT THAT.
THE PROPOSED ADDITION MEETS THE GOALS OF THE VILLAGE CENTER DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, AND THE STONEGATE DISTRICT CONCEPT WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE'VE HIT TWO HEFTY SECTIONS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE PROPOSED ADDITION WOULD PROMOTE THE EXISTING BUSINESSES AND SUPPORT THE GROWTH OF THE SHOPPING CENTER, AND PROMOTE THAT IDENTITY THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN THE DISTRICTS IN PLACE-MAKING, AND IT WOULD CREATE A LOCAL HANGOUT SPOT.
I WOULD RECKON TURNING POINT IS A PRETTY POPULAR PLACE.
THIS ONLY ADDS TO THAT, AND SUPPORTS OTHER BUSINESSES.
IF YOU'RE THERE, WALK ACROSS TO SOMETHING ELSE.
THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE OUTDOOR SEATING ESTABLISHMENT HAVE BEEN MET AND REFLECTED BY THE APPLICANT ON THEIR SITE PLAN THAT INCLUDES PROPOSED WALKWAY DISTANCES FROM BETWEEN THE DRIVING AREA PARKING LOT TO THE ACTUAL PAVILION SPACING OF FENCING, FENCING ITSELF, ALONG WITH OTHER COMPONENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THE OUTDOOR SEATING ESTABLISHMENT.
THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN MET BY THE APPLICANT ON THEIR PROPOSAL.
I WANT TO SAY, DID WE APPROACH THE APPLICANT OR MAYBE WEST, OR DID THE APPLICANT COME TO US?
>> THIS HAS BEEN PART OF THEIR LONG TIME PLAN.
>> THE APPLICANT CAME TO US, AND I'LL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK ABOUT HOW THEY CAME TO THIS, BUT THEY'RE RELATIVELY NEW OWNERS OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.
I THINK IN A COUPLE OF YEARS OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, PROBABLY, BUT THEY CAME TO US WITH THESE IDEAS, AND STAFF WAS EXCITED TO TELL ME THIS.
>> I AGREE WITH THAT EXCITEMENT.
>> ROGER, IF YOU REMEMBER WHENEVER THE TURNING POINT GUYS CAME TO US FOR THE PICNIC TABLES OUT HOMES, AND EVERYTHING.
THIS HAS BEEN PART OF THEIR VISION FROM THE VERY BEGINNING TO GET THE BUSINESS OUTSIDE.
THEY GREW SO FAST, THEY NEVER GOT AROUND TO DOING THE PICNIC TABLE.
>> I'M JUST GOING TO, YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT OF
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THE FACT THAT THIS SO COMPLETELY MATCHES UP TO THE NEW MASTER PLAN.>> THOSE CONCEPTS. THIS IS GOING TO BE A PLACE TO SAY, THIS IS HOW WE NEED TO HAVE THIS DONE.
>> JUST TO FOLLOW UP TO SIGNAL MY OWN VOTE ON THIS THING.
I THINK THIS IS THE POSTER CHILD FOR WHAT STONEGATE IS.
I'M VERY PLEASED TO SEE THIS THING GO FORWARD.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE SYNERGY BETWEEN THIS, AND TURNING POINT IS PERFECT.
AGAIN, AVOIDING THE NEED FOR THE TRUCKS, AND TO TAKE EVERYBODY 5,000 MILES AWAY.
IN THE NATION STATE OF SINGAPORE, THERE ARE PLACES CALLED HAWKER CENTERS WHERE THEY HAVE SOMETHING JUST LIKE THIS.
IT'S ONE OF THE HALLMARKS OF THE ISLAND NATION OF SINGAPORE, AND THEY USE THESE FACILITIES AS INCUBATORS FOR BEGINNING RESTAURANTS.
THEY'RE INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL.
I GUESS IN LIEU OF US TAKING A TRIP TO SINGAPORE [LAUGHTER], I BELIEVE WE PROBABLY SHOULD SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION.
>> WHY DON'T WE OPEN THE HEARING SO THAT WE CAN HEAR FROM OUR LAST REMAINING GUEST WHO'S BEEN SO PATIENT [LAUGHTER].
THEY WILL TALK TO US ABOUT HIS FACILITY.
IN 725, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WELCOME, SIR. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, AND ADDRESS, AND WELCOME.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I'M MARK COHEN CENTER-POINT COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES 53 30 ALPHA ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS 7524.
WE DID APPROACH THE CITY REGARDING THE PROPERTY.
WE HAVE A HISTORY OF REDEVELOPING AGED MISMANAGED, POOR PROPERTIES AROUND THE METROPLEX SO THIS IS.
>> WE HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOU [LAUGHTER]
>> WELL, WE HOPE TO KICK THIS ONE OFF, AND THEN MAYBE CONTINUE THROUGHOUT THIS LITTLE DISTRICT, AND IT WAS JUST FORTUNATE THAT THIS INTERSECTION WAS ALREADY TARGETED WHEN WE SHOWED UP.
BUT THE WHOLE THING WAS CENTERED AROUND TURNING POINT BECAUSE YOU NEED THAT ANCHOR.
IF YOU'VE BEEN TO EUROPE, THEY HAVE THINGS, THEY'RE LIKE FOOD ALLEYS.
THEY'RE NOT FOOD COURTS, BUT THEY'RE THIS CENTRAL LOCATION.
IT'S AN OPEN MARKET. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF VARIATIONS OF THAT.
BUT IT'S A PLACE TOGETHER, AND THEN ADD IN THE TURNING POINT ALREADY HAD A TWO MONTH WAITING LIST FOR FOOD TRUCKS.
WE SAW THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PROFITING ON IT.
IT WAS JUST A WAY TO SERVICE THEIR CUSTOMERS.
THEN WE WOULD PROVIDE THIS, AND IT HAS EVOLVED QUITE A BIT SINCE OUR INITIAL ITERATION.
PART OF THAT IS TO INCLUDE THE STRIP CENTER THAT'S ACROSS THE PARKING LOT.
WE HAD A LOT OF CALLS FROM MORE VAPE SHOPS, AND MORE LAUNDROMATS, AND OTHER, AND WE JUST SAID NO.
WE'RE NOT INTERESTED, WE'RE CREATING A SYNERGY.
WE WERE REALLY CLOSE TO HAVING A REGIONALLY, VERY WELL KNOWN HIGH END BURGER CONCEPT.
BUT THE CORPORATE GUYS SAID NO, BUT THE OPERATORS LOVED IT.
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THAT.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THE PAVILION OFF THE GROUND.
IT'S GOING TO FEED THE PICKLE-BALL COURT, AND ALL OF THEIR CUSTOMERS.
THEY DON'T HAVE FOOD. THAT'S A SOCIAL EVENT.
IT'S GOING TO FEED OBVIOUSLY THE CUSTOMERS THAT ARE ALREADY COMING FROM TURNING POINT, AND IN THEY'RE DRAWING BODIES IN FROM QUITE A BIG DISTANCE EVEN ON FOOTBALL SUNDAYS, PEOPLE COME FROM ARLINGTON BEFORE OR AFTER THE GAMES TO COME TO TURNING POINT.
NOW WE CAN PROVIDE AN ENVIRONMENT THAT FEEDS THEIR CUSTOMERS, BUT ALSO MAKES IT SO THE NEIGHBORS COULD COME AFTER BASEBALL GAME, KIDS CAN COME WITH THEIR PARENTS, DAD COULD GET A BEER IF HE WANTS IT, KIDS GET A BURGER OR WHATEVER THE CONCEPTS ARE THAT ARE IN THERE.
WE KNOW THAT THERE'S SUCCESS THERE BECAUSE COLOSSAL SANDWICHES HAD A KIOSK IN THE PARKING LOT DID VERY WELL, AND THEN MOVED UP THE FREEWAY.
WITH L. D. BELL HIGH SCHOOL BEING RIGHT THERE, WE SEE AFTERNOONS WHERE KIDS ARE COMING 40 OR 50 OF THEM AT FOUR O'CLOCK HANGING OUT, MAYBE GETTING A BITE BEFORE THEY HAVE TO GO HOME OR IT'S A PLACE TO HANG OUT.
ONCE WE GET THAT GOING, THEN WE EXPECT TO REVITALIZE, AND DRAW MORE AND MORE BODIES IN TO BACK-FILL THE REST OF THE RETAIL STRIP.
WE'VE LEFT EVERYTHING ON THE CONVENIENCE STORE WILL GO AWAY.
MOST LIKELY, THE VAPE SHOP THAT'S IN THERE IS GOING TO GO AWAY.
WE'VE THE ZOOBA LADY THAT'S THERE.
THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE OPERATING NOW TO HELP KEEP THE CENTER SUSTAINED, BUT WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A SYNERGY.
SOMETHING THAT RIGHT NOW IS LACKING, EVERYBODY GOES TO THE OTHER CITIES NEARBY, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO SERVICE YOUR OWN POPULATION.
THIS BRINGS THAT COMMERCIAL BASE BACK TO THE CITY.
THAT WAS OUR VISION FROM THE BEGINNING.
IT'S ACTUALLY GOTTEN BETTER OVER TIME.
WE REALLY ARE PRETTY HAPPY, AND THE BEST PART OF IT IS IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY CHANGE MUCH OTHER THAN ADD THE PAVILION.
THERE'S NO PARKING BEING USED PROPERLY IN THE PARKING LOT.
YOU'VE GOT THESE RACEWAY SIZE FIRE LANES THROUGH THERE, AND SO WE'RE GOING TO RECONFIGURE THAT.
WE'RE ACTUALLY LIKELY GOING TO INCREASE THE PARKING EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ADDING THIS PAVILION TO THE OUTSIDE.
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WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO HANDLE THAT.THERE SYNERGY, PEOPLE GET A BEER, GO WALK, AND GET FOOD, COME BACK, AND FORTH.
THEY'RE VERY PRO, SYNERGISTIC AS FAR AS A CONCEPT THE TURNING POINT IS, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GO GET FOOD, AND EAT INSIDE THEIR PLACE.
WE'LL WORK WITH TABC TO ALLOW THE FLOW OF BEING ABLE TO HAVE A BEER, AND GO, AND HAVE FOOD ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
IT FALLS IN WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE IN OTHER CITIES, AND SEEN GREAT SUCCESS IN OTHER CENTERS, BUT THIS IS A UNIQUE CONCEPT THAT WE PUT IN PLACE BACK IN 2020, WE WERE DOING A LARGE PROJECT IN PLANO, BUT COVID ENDED UP KILLING ALL THE FUNDING FOR THAT.
IT WAS A 300,000 FOOT VERSION OF THIS, AND IT BLEW UP.
THIS IS OUR WAY TO REVIVE THAT CONCEPT. ANY QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
>> HOPEFULLY IF YOU BEING HERE TONIGHT GIVES YOU A SENSE OF THE PASSION, AND WHAT THIS COMMISSION LOOKS AT FOR DEVELOPMENT BEDFORD, AND IMPROVING OUR CITY.
BUT AS YOU GO ALONG HERE, YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST IN THIS CITY FOR THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY IN GENERAL, AND THAT AREA SPECIFICALLY.
IT WAS A BIG TOPIC OF CONVERSATION AS WE DID.
THE NEW MASTER PLAN, BOTH ON COUNCIL, AND IN THE PUBLIC.
YOU'RE IN A SWEET SPOT RIGHT THERE.
>> AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A CHANGE. YES.
>> I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS, BUT EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT A BEER DRINKER.
BUT CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT YOU'VE WORKED ON IF WE WANTED TO LOOK TO THEM UP.
>> SURE. MOST OF OUR PROJECTS, WE CAME IN WERE VERY SIMILAR, VERY SLEEPY, THEY WERE DEAD.
WE DID MOST RECENTLY, WE FINISHED ONE DOWN ON ROSS AVENUE NEAR DOWNTOWN DALLAS.
IT WAS JUST 100-YEAR-OLD BUILDING THAT WAS FALLING APART, AND WE'RE BRINGING IN DAVE'S HOT CHICKEN, AND WE'RE BRINGING IN DONATOS PIZZA, AND THEN A FEW OTHER LOCAL CONCEPTS.
AGAIN, COULD HAVE LEASED A LONG TIME AGO, VAPE SHOPS, AND PERSONAL TRAINERS.
WE HAVE A PERSONAL PHILOSOPHY AGAINST THEM.
WE DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.
WE DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOOD FOR THE CENTERS.
SYNERGY IS KEY, WE DON'T TAKE THE FIRST 10 AT THE GOALS, AND WE'RE PATIENT.
WE TOOK A CENTER THAT WAS FALLING APART IN MESQUITE, NEAR CITY HALL IN MESQUITE, WE HAVE A GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY OF MESQUITE.
WE'VE DONE SEVEN PROJECTS THERE.
WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS KEEP THE EXISTING TENANTS, SEE HOW THEY DO SEE WHICH ONES ARE WORTH KEEPING, AND THEN OVER TIME, THEY JUST SLOWLY GET TURNED OVER.
THAT CENTER HAD FOUR CHURCHES IN IT, HAD A LAUNDROMAT THAT WAS CLOSED.
IT HAD ONE TINY LITTLE TAKARIA, AND JUST A BUNCH OF OTHER LITTLE MOM, AND POP BUSINESSES THAT WEREN'T DOING WELL.
ONCE WE STARTED THAT PROJECT IN 2020, AS A MATTER OF FACT, FINISHED THAT IN 2022.
AS FAR AS THE REHAB, SLOWLY RE-TENANTED THAT BUILDING, KEPT SOME OF THE EXISTING TENANTS, PUT NEW STORE FRONTS IN, DID A WHOLE FACE, AND THEY WERE EXCITED.
THEY CAME AND REINVESTED IN THEIR BUSINESSES, AND REMODELED, AND NOW THE CENTER IS 100% LEASED, AND EVERYBODY IS A TAXPAYING TENANT, WHICH THE CITY LOVES.
WE DID 170,000 FOOT REMODEL AT THE CORNER OF TOWN EAST, AND 635 IN MESQUITE.
BURLINGTON'S HAD BEEN DARK FOR A LONG TIME, AND SO THEN WE BROUGHT IN FITNESS CONNECTION, A CLINIC THAT WAS BACK BACKED BY BLUE CROSS, GUITAR CENTER, CANALES FURNITURE.
WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO REVITALIZE THAT CENTER.
WE HAD AN AGED SHOPPING CENTER.
DID THE SAME THING, AND WAS IN A LITTLE 19,000 FOOT STRIP. WE REFACED IT.
OUR GOAL MORE THAN ANYTHING, WHICH IS THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS THAT WE BUY IT RIGHT SO WE DON'T GO IN TO GOUGE TENANTS IN THE RENTS.
WE LOOK AT, HOW CAN WE DO BETTER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE AREA.
BUT WE DON'T TRY TO COMPETE WITH THE PEOPLE UP IN EITHER IN SUNDANCE SQUARE, AND FRISCO OR IN GRAPEVINE, AND SOUTHLAKE.
OUR RENTS ARE VERY AFFORDABLE, AND SO IT'S STRUCTURED INTENTIONALLY THAT WAY SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TURNOVERS.
IF THE TENANT FAILS, IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF RENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IT'S JUST THEY DIDN'T DO WELL.
>> IS THIS YOUR FIRST TIME COUNTY PROJECT?
WELL, WE DID SMALL ONE ON BERRY STREET, BUT IT WASN'T A MAJOR REHAB, BUT WE DID SPLIT THAT UP SO WE HAVE WORKED OVER THERE.
>> AGAIN, THANK YOU, SIR. WELCOME TO TOWN.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS, AND YOUR INTEREST IN OUR CITY.
THIS IS GOING TO BE PRETTY COOL.
>> THIS IS PRETTY COOL [LAUGHTER]
>> WE DO. BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> 7:34, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON CASE SUP 25-3.
>> WELL, I'D LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO BROWN TRAIL ON BEDFORD ROAD,
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AND DISCUSS THIS OVER AN IPA [LAUGHTER]>> WAS THAT A MOTION? [LAUGHTER]
>> NO. INSTEAD, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT, NUMBER IS THIS ONE, THAT WE APPROVE THIS SUP AS PRESENTED.
>> ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING CASE SUP 25-3? UNANIMOUS APPROVAL. WE'RE EXCITED.
WE WILL LOOK FORWARD TO SEE IN TO THIS.
>> BY THE END OF THE YEAR YOU GET US SOMETHING TO BE DONE.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE WAITING FOR EVERYTHING ELSE TO FINISH [OVERLAPPING]. GOOD JOB, WEST.
>> IF YOU COME FORWARD FOR JUST ONE SEC, JUST ONE PIECE OF ADMINISTRATIVE HOMEWORK HERE.
>> JUST TO REITERATE NEXT WEEK'S SCHEDULE.
WE HAVE TWO ACTIVITIES NEXT WEEK.
>> YES. WE HAVE A WORKSHOP ON MONDAY THE 18TH, AND I HOPE I GET MY DAYS RIGHT.
MONDAY, I KNOW FOR SURE, MONDAY AT 6:00 PM, WE'LL DO A JOINT MEETING WITH P&Z, AND COUNCIL, JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR.
MOST OF YOU ALL WILL BE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT SO NO SURPRISE THERE.
THEN AT SEVEN O'CLOCK, THERE WILL BE AN OPEN HOUSE AS WELL.
WE ADVERTISE THAT ON FACEBOOK TO GET THE WORD OUT.
THEY'LL BE POSTERS, AND SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID IF YOU WENT TO A FEW OF THE OPEN HOUSES FOR THE COMP PLAN, VERY SIMILAR.
THEN ON THURSDAY NIGHT, WE'LL DO A REAL DEEP DIVE INTO MODULE 1 THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED, AND IT HAS BEEN COMPLETED.
WE'LL DO A DEEP DIVE IN THAT, AND GET COMMENTS ON THAT, AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
>> IT IS ALL ACROSS THE STREET IN BUILDING C.
>> JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR FOR THAT.
>> NO MATERIALS, WE DON'T GET ANYTHING [INAUDIBLE].
>> I AM LOOKING OVER THEIR PRESENTATIONS RIGHT NOW.
MY GOAL IS TO GET YOU A PRESENTATION BY THE END OF THE DAY TOMORROW.
>> THANKS. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ALL CLEAR BEFORE WE'RE LEFT.
>> ALL RIGHT. WE GET ONE MORE MOTION. >> WE ADJOURN
>> ALL IN FAVOR, 7:31, WE ARE ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU, STEPH [OVERLAPPING]. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.