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WE'LL START OVER WITH THE COMMISSION, GALLENSTEIN, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ATTENDANCE FOR TODAY.
WE HAVE A FULL QUORUM AND EVERYONE WILL VOTE THIS EVENING.
WOULD YOU NOW RISE FOR THE INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? HOLY FATHER, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING US HERE TOGETHER TODAY TO SERVE OUR CITY.
THANK YOU FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENTS.
BUT ALSO WATCH OVER OUR CITY AT ALL TIMES.
THANK YOU. IN JESUS NAME, AMEN.
WE WILL START WITH CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR JANUARY 25TH MEETING.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
FOLKS, A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THOSE AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONS, SUBTRACTIONS OR CORRECTIONS IN THOSE MINUTES.AND THEN WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND.
UNANIMOUS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM JANUARY 25TH.
[2. Conduct a public hearing and consider approval of a final plat of Lots 1-3 Block 1, of Denali Addition; being a replat of Lot 2-A Block 1, Bedford-Arlington Road Addition and a replat of Lot A Block 1, Dallas Federal Addition which is 2.116 acres in the T. W. Williams Survey, Abstract 1725, Thomas Beedy Survey, Abstract 714, and the William O. Yantis Survey, Abstract 152 within the City of Bedford, Tarrant County, Texas, commonly located southwest of the intersection of Central Drive and Airport Freeway and known as 1937 Airport Freeway. (PLAT-24-1)]
OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A FINAL PLAT OF LOTS ONE THROUGH THREE, BLOCK ONE OF DENALI EDITION BEING A REPLAT OF LOT TWO, A, BLOCK ONE BEDFORD ARLINGTON ROAD EDITION, AND A REPLAT OF LOT A, BLOCK ONE DALLAS FEDERAL EDITION, WHICH IS 2.116 ACRES OF THE TW WILLIAMS SURVEY ABSTRACT 1725 THOMAS BEATTY SURVEY, ABSTRACT 714.AND THE WILLIAM O. YANIS SURVEY ABSTRACT 152.
THIS IS PLAT 20 4-1 REPORT FROM STAFF.
THANK YOU WES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. COMMISSION MEMBERS, THIS IS A REPLAT WHICH IS A OF TWO EXISTING LOTS.
THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION OR TWO LOTS.
YOU KNOW IT AS THE OLD CHEDDAR SITE.
AND ACCESS IS EVERYTHING MEETS THE SITE PLAN WAS APPROVED IN DECEMBER OF 2023, AND THEN NO PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IS BEING EXTENDED TO SERVE THE SITE. THE SITE ALREADY HAS ALL PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IT NEEDS.
THE SITE HAS BEEN CLEARED, ONCE WAS THE CHEDDAR SITE IS NOW CLEARED SITE WHICH AS MOST OF YOU KNOW AND THEN STAFF'S RECOMMENDING APPROVAL THE SITE THE PLAT DOES MEET THE ZONING AND SITE PLAN, PROPOSED PLATS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
COMMISSIONERS. I HAVE ONE COMMENT FOR THE COMMISSIONERS AND FOR THE RECORD, I CONCEDE THAT THE CURB OPENING, ALONG STATE HIGHWAY ONE 21ST MAY MEET THE TXDOT MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR ACCESS, BUT I THINK THAT THIS WILL BE A CONTINUED PROBLEM FOR THE THREE FOOD CHAINS AS WELL AS TXDOT, CONSIDERING EVERY CURB OPENING DOWNSTREAM, OF THIS SITE FAR EXCEEDS THE STATED MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR ACCESS.
AH WES FOR POINT OF CLARIFICATION, IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THIS PLAT WHERE THE BLUE
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SWASH IS.YOU DON'T SEE A REFERENCE FOR WHAT DOES POB MEAN? POINT OF BEGINNING.
OKAY. FOR THE FOR THE METES AND BOUNDS.
OKAY. DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS.
LET ME JUST REMEMBER COMMISSIONER SMITH BRINGING THIS UP PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT ENTRY INTO THERE, AND I KNOW IT MEETS THE STATE REQUIREMENTS, WAS THERE SOME OBJECTION FROM THE APPLICANT OF OR WERE WE RUNNING INTO STATE PROBLEMS? I THINK IT'S IT'S REALLY JUST A CONSTRAINT FROM THE STATE STANDPOINT.
THE APPLICANT IS WANTING TO TO MOVE QUICKLY AND OPENING UP OR WIDENING THAT ACCESS IS GOING TO SEVERELY DELAY THE PROCESS.
IF THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE STATE PERMITTING PROCEDURES, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE STATE.
PROBABLY NOT THAT IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE PERMIT, BUT IF THEY WERE AT A FUTURE TIME WANTING TO EXPAND THAT, DOES THAT AFFECT THE PLANNING PROCESS? NO. THEY CAN BE THE PERMIT FROM THE STATE.
THAT WOULD. EXACTLY. THAT'S CORRECT.
THE I MEAN, THE EASEMENT THAT YOU SEE THERE IS THERE TO MEET, ACCESS AND FIRE LANE.
IF THEY WERE TO EXPAND THAT, THEY COULD DO THAT.
IT WOULDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING ON THE PLAT BECAUSE IT MORE THAN QUALIFIES, RIGHT? OKAY. EXCELLENT. GOOD.
ENTERTAIN ACTION ON THIS ITEM.
OH, WAIT. FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE TO.
WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND.
OKAY. PASSES UNANIMOUS FINAL PLAT FOR CASE 24-1 HAS BEEN APPROVED.
[3. Receive an update and provide direction regarding the proposed future land use map and future land use designations.]
WE WILL NOW GO INTO STAFF PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION ITEMS ON THE DRAFT OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.THAT'S BEFORE, ALL OF US AND WES WILL TEACH US A LOT OF THINGS HERE.
THIS REALLY IS INTENDED TO BE A DISCUSSION ITEM.
THE, I KNOW THAT YOU'VE SEEN THESE TWO SLIDES THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU.
AND I'LL PUT UP ON THE SCREEN HERE IN JUST A SECOND.
BUT, YOU'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TIMES.
HOWEVER, WE'VE NOT REALLY DEDICATED AN AGENDA ITEM TO THEM.
AND THAT'S THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND THE DESIGNATIONS THAT GO WITH IT.
WE ALWAYS SAY WHETHER IT COMPLIES WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
IS THAT IT, THEY REALLY BUILT IT BASED ON THE FACT OF WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.
THEY DIDN'T LOOK TO THE FUTURE AS TO WHAT COULD BE.
AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE STRUGGLED SOMETIMES WITH VARIOUS SUB APPLICATIONS THAT COME IN AND YOU'RE LIKE, YEAH, IT'S COMMERCIAL, BUT DO WE REALLY WANT THIS TYPE OF COMMERCIAL IN THIS LOCATION? SO THAT WAS THE GOAL OF THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN WAS TO KIND OF GIVE EVERYBODY A TOOL SO THAT THEY COULD LOOK AT IT AND SAY, YES, THIS IS THIS IS A STRIP COMMERCIAL AND THIS IS WHAT WE WANT IN STRIP COMMERCIAL, OR THIS WAS A PLACE FOCUSED AREA AND THIS IS WHAT WE WANTED IN PLACE FOCUSED AREAS.
SO I'LL TRY TO USE THOSE EXAMPLES AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.
I'M GOING TO REALLY DO A DEEP DIVE INTO IT.
I CAN STAND UP HERE AND TALK AS LONG AS YOU WANT ME TO, OR IF YOU'RE IF I START SEEING HEAD NODS AND Y'ALL ARE LIKE, MOVE ON, JUST TELL ME TO MOVE ON BECAUSE YOU YOU GET IT AND YOU DON'T NEED ANY MORE EXPLANATION.
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FAIR ENOUGH. I WANT THIS TO BE VERY AN INTERACTION TONIGHT.EXCELLENT. BASIC DEFINITION OF WHAT A FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS.
I JUST TRIED TO SUMMARIZE THAT IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT IS IT.
IT'S THE GUIDE FOR ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS IN THE FUTURE.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THE MAPS THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE, OR THE MAP THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S IT'S A NICE COLOR CODED MAP.
SO WHAT I WANTED TO DO IS GO INTO EACH OF THESE DIFFERENT DESIGNATIONS, KIND OF TALK ABOUT THEM A LITTLE BIT, TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
AND AND THEN WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SOME CHANGES AFTER THAT.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY CHANGES SINCE THE LAST TIME THAT WE MET JOINTLY WITH CITY COUNCIL, OR IS THIS BASICALLY THE TO THIS DOCUMENT? YES. NO.
IT IS THE SAME. HAS THERE BEEN ANY CHANGES? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I THINK MOLLY HAD SENT SOMETHING OUT, I THINK TO, TO THE CITIZENS AT LARGE TO VOTE ON THESE DIFFERENT ITEMS. HAS ANY OF THAT YET BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THIS? YES IT HAS. OKAY.
SO THE VISUAL PREFERENCE SURVEY, THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
AND I'VE GOT THE RESULTS HERE TONIGHT.
SO IN CASE I NEED A DEEP DIVE INTO THEM AND EXPLAIN WHY WE DID CERTAIN THINGS.
BUT, BUT YES, THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH THIS MAP WAS DRAFTED IN.
THESE DESIGNATIONS WERE DRAFTED OUT OF THAT SURVEY THAT WE DID.
CAN I ASK A FOLLOW UP WITH THAT? PLEASE, FOR THE MEETING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE JOINTLY, DO I NEED THE SPEED AROUND, PLEASE? OR MOLLY WILL YELL AT ME.
FOR THE JOINT MEETING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL WITH RESPECT TO ALL THESE DIFFERENT COLORED SQUARES I SEE ON THIS MAP WOULD WE HAVE A DESCRIPTION OF EACH OF THEM WITH RESPECT TO CHANGES? IF THERE HAVE BEEN ANY CHANGES IN ALL OF THOSE, OR ARE ALL THOSE COLORED ONES CHANGES? WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY CHANGES? CHANGES FROM WHAT? IT IS IF I LOOK AT MINE IS VERY SMALL HERE.
SORRY, YOU DON'T HAVE THE SCREEN.
YOU'RE, LR THAT ONE AT THE TOP.
HAS WILL THERE BE ANY UNDERSTANDING? WILL WE BE GIVEN A BREAKDOWN OF THESE ZONES BY THESE ACRONYMS THAT HAVE CHANGED FROM THE PREVIOUS PLAN.
THE PLAN THAT'S CURRENTLY ADOPTED? YES. IT'S ESSENTIALLY A WHOLE CHANGE.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THIS IS A COMPLETELY NEW PLAN.
SO EVERYTHING WE SEE HERE, ALL OF THESE BLOCKS ARE PROBABLY ALL CHANGED.
I WOULD SAY PROBABLY 75 TO 90% OF THEM.
BUT JUST AS A WHOLE, THIS IS A IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT OUR CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP, IT HAS, I'M GOING TO SAY MAYBE A HANDFUL OF DESIGNATIONS. IT HAS, RESIDENTIAL AND UNDER RESIDENTIAL WOULD HAVE LOW DENSITY, MEDIUM DENSITY AND HIGH DENSITY.
AND COMMERCIAL IS JUST ONE BROAD COMMERCIAL.
AND SO THESE AREAS ARE WHERE WE TRY TO DIVIDE UP AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE.
A LITTLE BIT MORE PLAYING ROOM AS TO WHAT'S REALLY LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, STRIP CENTER COMMERCIAL.
WHAT DO WE WANT IN THERE VERSUS WHAT DO WE WANT IN OTHER TYPES OF COMMERCIAL.
WERE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM YOU KNOW, WE HAD A CONSULTANT THAT WE PAID X.
ARE THOSE ALSO FACTORED INTO THIS OKAY.
AND THEN I'M ASSUMING YOU'VE GOT 20 YEARS WORTH OF EXPERIENCE.
YOUR KNOWLEDGE THAT FAR EXCEEDS JUST A PERSON.
THEY MIGHT WANT X BUT X ISN'T THAT THAT ALSO FACTORS.
YEAH WE TRIED TO MAKE THIS AS REALISTIC AS POSSIBLE.
ON ONE OF THOSE WORKSHOPS WE HAD WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, WHEN WE HAD THAT ONE EVENT THAT WE TAGGED, THAT'S WHERE THESE CAME FROM, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. THE PRIMARILY THIS DOCUMENT CAME FROM THAT.
YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER.
AND ONE MORE TIME WHEN WE HAVE THIS NEXT MEETING, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A BIGGER VERSION OF THIS TO LOOK AT? I MEAN, I CAN'T READ THIS THING.
IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN DO 24 BY 36.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST. WE CAN.
I THINK A LITTLE BIGGER WOULD HELP.
OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE RULING ON SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOODS.
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WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO LOOK WHERE WE LIVE.WE WANT TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE PAST THINGS WE'VE RULED ON.
SURE. AND THEN WE CAN DO THAT.
YEAH. THAT WAY YOU CAN HAVE IT WELL AHEAD OF TIME.
THANK YOU. AND IF WE NEED TO MAKE CHANGES AGAIN, NOW IS THE TIME TO MAKE CHANGES.
I SAY THAT, AND I'M YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ME SAY THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT ALSO UNDERSTAND.
COMPREHENSIVE PLANS ARE OR MASTER PLANS ARE INTENDED TO BE A WORKING DOCUMENT.
SO IF WE HAVE A ZONING CHANGE COME IN AND MAYBE IT DOESN'T MEET THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN THAT WE HAVE THAT WE'VE ADOPTED, THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS WE CAN'T AMEND IT.
IF WE THINK, OH, THIS ZONING CHANGE IS REALLY GOOD, THIS JUST GIVES US A STARTING PLACE.
THESE DESCRIPTIONS THAT I'VE KIND OF CUT AND PASTE IN ARE KIND OF HARD TO READ.
BUT AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT THE HARD COPY THERE AHEAD OF YOU OR IN FRONT OF YOU.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S THAT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO READ.
AND IF YOU WANT A LARGER COPY OF THESE DESIGNATIONS, THEN WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL.
OKAY. SO THE FIRST ONE IS SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS ONE IS IS THE YELLOW AREA.
AS YOU CAN TELL, IT'S THE MAJORITY OF THE CITY.
WE ARE A SUBURBAN DEVELOPED NEIGHBORHOOD CITY.
WE'RE, AND SO IT IS WHAT WE I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF OUR BUILT ENVIRONMENT AND THAT'S WHO WE ARE.
AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY REALLY SEES THAT DRASTICALLY CHANGING.
THE I THINK THE IDEA HERE AND WHAT WE HEARD IN THE VERY BEGINNING STAGES OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS MASTER PLAN, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WAS THAT WE UNDERSTOOD THAT WE ARE A, SOME PEOPLE WOULD CALL IT A BEDROOM COMMUNITY OR JUST A SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY.
BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SPECIAL PLACES AND WE WILL DO SPECIAL THINGS IN OUR SPECIAL DISTRICTS.
AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS PLAN FOCUSES ON.
SO YOU'LL SEE THE SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S A IT OUTLINES A TYPICAL DENSITY IT AND IT SAYS IT'S JUST A TYPICAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S DEFINED BY LANDSCAPING.
YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT SOME GENERAL PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE FRIENDLY STREETS.
AND, AND TYPICALLY IT LIMITS THE STORIES OF THE HOMES.
NOW THESE ARE JUST GUIDELINES.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO COME IN, AND WANT TO DO A TYPICAL SUBURBAN SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO WE WOULD EXPECT THEM TO MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THAT.
THAT WAS PRETTY, I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE EASIEST ONE THAT WE HAD.
YEAH, IT KIND OF IS WHAT IT IS TYPE THING.
NEXT ONE IS VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL AND I'VE.
MOVING FORWARD, I HAVE TRIED TO CIRCLE THE MAJOR AREAS WHERE THESE DIFFERENT DESIGNATIONS ARE CONCENTRATED IN OR ARE PROPOSED TO BE CONCENTRATED IN, AND VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL IS AND I, COMMISSIONER OTTO POINTED OUT THAT THERE'S A TYPO ON THE MAP.
IT IF YOU SEE ON THE MAP THE LEGEND SAYS VN AND THAT SHOULD BE VR.
BUT VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL IS SOMETHING THAT IT'S AND THE REASON WE FOCUSED IT IN THE AREA OF BROWN TRAIL, THE BEDFORD COURT, E STREETS, THE THOSE AREAS DOWN THERE, DORA WE FOCUS ON THAT BECAUSE THOSE ARE SMALLER LOTS.
THEY AND THERE'S ALSO MORE OF A TRANSITION IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
PEOPLE ARE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR HOUSES.
THEY ARE THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT FUNKY AND DIFFERENT THAT THEY'RE DOING DOWN THERE, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE ARTISTIC IN THAT AREA IS IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING AS A WHOLE.
AND THIS, THIS VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL GIVES YOU SOME PARAMETERS.
IT'S ESTABLISHES PARAMETERS, BUT ALSO GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY IN WHAT CAN BE THERE.
IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF A TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT.
IT COULD BE SOME LIVE WORK UNITS.
MAYBE MAYBE WE AMEND YOU KNOW, WE CREATED A ZONING DISTRICT THAT ALIGNS WITH THIS VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL THAT ALLOWS A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY IN HOME OCCUPATIONS THAN WE WOULD IN OUR NORMAL SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL HOMES OR NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT, KIND OF CHANGES THE SCALE OF THAT SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD A LITTLE BIT, AND IT REALLY, LIMITS THE, SO IT IT COULD BE TOWNHOMES, DUPLEXES, NOTHING MORE THAN FOUR UNITS PER, PER BUILDING IS REALLY WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SHOOT FOR. SO IT'S NOT A MULTIFAMILY BY ANY STRETCH.
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IT'S A IT'S REALLY JUST A DUPLEX TRIPLEX, SOMETHING LIKE THAT AT THE VERY MOST THEY'VE ALSO PROPOSED A DENSITY OR WE'VE ALSO PROPOSED A DENSITY OF BETWEEN 4 AND 10 UNITS PER ACRE.AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT'S CONSISTENT IN THAT AREA ALREADY.
SO YOU'LL SEE THESE DENSITIES.
WE TRY TO KEEP THEM CONSISTENT TO WHAT'S ALREADY THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT OF THE AREA.
DOES THAT MEET OUR OUR ORDINANCE AS FAR AS DENSITY.
THE WE ALWAYS REFER TO OUR DENSITY ORDINANCE.
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR DENSITY ORDINANCE IS, OUR DENSITY ORDINANCE, WHAT HAPPENED? AND MR. GALLENSTEIN, YOU KNOW BETTER THAN I DO.
AND BUT THAT DOESN'T PREVENT A DEVELOPER TO COME IN.
AND ACTUALLY, WE'VE SEEN SOME, I THINK, FROM? NOT IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, THE TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS PROPOSED OVER HERE ON BEDFORD ROAD.
THEY ORIGINALLY CAME IN WITH A HIGHER DENSITY REQUIREMENT.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE HIGHER THAN 12 UNITS PER ACRE.
THAT'S BECAUSE WE'VE GOT PROPERTIES ALREADY THAT ARE HIGHER THAN 12 UNITS PER ACRE.
AND IF WE WANT TO SEE SOMETHING REDEVELOP OR INTO A MORE.
APPEASING DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY CARE TO SEE IN BEDFORD.
THEN IN SOME AREAS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ALLOW THOSE HIGHER, HIGHER DENSITIES.
AND THIS IS JUST AGAIN A GUIDELINE.
IT GIVES YOU A RANGE IN ALL OF THESE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO AS HIGH AS THE RANGE SAYS.
THIS DOCUMENT DOESN'T GIVE ANYBODY THE THE ENTITLEMENT ALREADY.
THEY STILL HAVE TO ASK FORIT. THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A ZONING CHANGE.
THIS IS JUST A GUIDE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
I JUST KNOW WHAT THE THE HISTORY AND AND I WILL I MEAN, AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT, BECAUSE THAT WAS IN ONE OF THE WORKSHOPS THAT WE DID, WE RECEIVED A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT.
WELL, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN ENFORCE FROM A LAND USE STANDPOINT.
WE'RE REALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT LAND USE.
YES. A COUPLE THINGS, OKAY? IN GENERAL, BECAUSE BEDFORD IS SO FULLY BUILT OUT BUILD OUT, AS WE ALL RECOGNIZE HOW MUCH OF THIS LAND USE MAP WAS DICTATED IN ITS FORMAT BECAUSE OF WHAT'S ALREADY THERE TO WHERE.
IF YOU DRASTICALLY CHANGED THE MAP AROUND WHAT'S CURRENTLY ON THAT PIECE OF GROUND, ARE YOU NOW IN ESSENCE, YOU KNOW, NOW THESE ARE NON-CONFORMING USES THAT ARE THERE, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD, BUT BUT HOW MUCH OF THIS MAP IN ALL THE AREAS WAS DICTATED A LOT BY WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE? I WOULD SAY A LOT OF IT.
I MEAN, WE LOOKED AT OUR CURRENT BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
YOU'RE RIGHT. WE WE ARE 97, 98% BUILT OUT.
WE AGAIN, WE TRY TO BE AS REALISTIC AS WE CAN AND REALIZE THE ENTIRE CITY IS NOT GOING TO REDEVELOP.
SO WE TRY TO KEEP A LITTLE BIT OF REALISM IN THIS AS MUCH AS I CAN SAY.
I WOULD SAY THAT, AND I CAN KIND OF GET INTO THAT, FOR INSTANCE.
AND I DON'T WANT TO JUMP AROUND TOO MUCH, BUT LIKE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, PLACE FOCUS COMMERCIAL.
AND SO THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEA BEHIND THAT IS THAT DOES THAT HELP ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? AND TO SEGUE INTO THE SECOND PART OF MY QUESTION IS, PARTICULARLY SINCE WE'RE ON THE VR.
AND THEN THERE'S THE UR, WHICH IS A MUCH HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREA.
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THERE'S WAY MORE URS ON THIS MAP THAN THERE ARE VRS TO WHERE IN JUST FROM A GLANCE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE FUTURE PLANNING IS FOR MUCH HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREAS.SO IT LOOKS LIKE IN GENERAL, PARTICULARLY IN THAT.
WE'VE DESIGNATED MORE AREAS FOR A HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL BY GOING TO THE UR.
AND OVER HERE IN THE CORNER WHERE YOU STARTED, WHICH IS WHERE WE'VE GOT YOU ARE RIGHT UP AGAINST VR.
THAT'S WHAT LED TO MY QUESTION ABOUT IS THE YOU ARE RIGHT THERE IN THIS BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER, LEFT HAND CORNER THERE BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY THAT DENSE OR WE'RE PLANNING TO PUT A DENSER RESIDENTIAL AREA ACROSS THE STREET FROM A LESS DENSE? NO, IT PLACES IT.
WE LOOKED AT WHAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE GROUND.
IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE URS, WE THOSE ARE ALREADY, IF YOU LOOKED AT OUR CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEY'RE LISTED AS HIGH DENSITY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE BUILT AS RIGHT NOW.
OUR OUR HOPE FOR THE YEAR IS THAT THE ONES THAT WE IDENTIFIED AS YOU ARE AS MAYBE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE MORE LIKELY TO TURN OVER AND REDEVELOP IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
AND MAYBE IT'S A COMBINATION OF YOUR YOUR MULTIFAMILY TOWNHOME.
IT'S GOING TO BE A HIGHER DENSITY.
BUT, THERE'S A LOT TO TO THE POINT ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND IN A DIVERSITY OF HOUSING, THAT IS A BIG PUSH RIGHT NOW. IT'S A BIG PUSH IN DALLAS, A BIG PUSH EVERYWHERE, REALLY.
BUT I THINK REALLY AND TRULY, I WOULD ENCOURAGE US NOT TO NECESSARILY LOOK AT DENSITY, BUT LOOK AT HOW YOU DESIGN THAT DENSITY. I THINK YOU CAN REALLY DO SOME COOL THINGS THAT MAY BE HIGH DENSITY.
THAT MAY BE 24 UNITS AN ACRE, BUT YOU COULD MAKE REQUIREMENTS ON THE ZONING SIDE OF THINGS.
AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT.
BASED ON WHAT IS ADOPTED HERE.
STAFF IS GOING TO START BRINGING YOU ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS.
WE'RE GOING TO BASE THAT OFF OF THIS.
SO THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP.
BUT YES, WE DID LOOK AT, FOR INSTANCE, THE URBAN RESIDENTIALS AND WE SAID, OKAY, THESE ARE ALREADY SOME OF THEM AT AND I DID THE, THE ANALYSIS TODAY WE HAVE SOME APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE AT 38, 39 UNITS PER ACRE.
DO WE WANT THOSE TODAY? NO. IF SOMEBODY CAME IN AND, AND ASKED FOR THAT TYPE OF ZONING ON ANY VACANT LAND THAT WE HAVE, I WOULD ASSUME IT WOULD PROBABLY NOT HAVE A GOOD CHANCE OF GETTING PASSED.
BUT AGAIN, IF THEY CAME IN WITH A REALLY SPECIAL APPLICATION, THEY SAID, WE WANT TO DO 30% OPEN SPACE AND WE WANT TO DO THIS XYZ IN THIS OPEN SPACE, AND WE WANT TO CONNECT IT TO THE DIFFERENT, PLACE FOCUSED COMMERCIAL AREAS THAT WE HAVE. SO YOU REALLY CREATE SOME TYPE OF SYNERGY AND COMMUNITY, BUT WE NEED THIS DENSITY TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
THEN MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN.
LET ME ASK YOU, I'M SORRY NOT TO GET WAY, WAY OFF TRACK.
IS THAT THE KIND OF THING THAT FUTURE PLAN? I MEAN, WOULD I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD HELP THAT, BUT I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE A HIGHER DENSITY THAN YOU WOULD THINK, EXCEPT THAT THE BUILDING IS BIG AND PARK PLACE ALREADY LIKE THAT WHERE THEY..
WELL, THE OLD HOSPITAL DOWN HERE ON..
UH.HUH. IT'S GOT RESIDENTIAL IN THAT TOWER.
IT'S, THAT'S A LIMITED RESIDENTIAL.
THAT'S NOT A, AND I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT SPECIFIC ZONING.
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BUT IT'S NOT JUST OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO MOVE IN THERE.I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST A GENERAL.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE WHAT HE'S DESCRIBING.
THEY COULDN'T FILL THE OFFICE SPACE, SO THEY CONVERTED IT TO APARTMENTS.
NOW, GRANTED, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT MARKET THAN WHAT DOWNTOWN DALLAS IS DOING, OBVIOUSLY, BUT TO USE YOUR EXAMPLE, BASED ON THIS PLAN, IT WOULDN'T BE SUPPORTED JUST BECAUSE THIS PLAN CALLS FOR THAT AREA TO BE A PLACE FOCUSED COMMERCIAL.
AND SO IT DOESN'T INCLUDE A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.
LET ME ASK A QUESTION IN ANOTHER, ANOTHER WAY.
YOU'VE GOT AN EXISTING APARTMENT BUILDING, OKAY.
MULTIFAMILY. AND IT'S OLD AND AND AND FROM WHAT I, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I READ THE DENSITY ORDINANCE, BUT I WAS INVOLVED SINCE WAY BACK WHEN, AND THEY COULD COME BACK AND THEY COULD BUILD ANOTHER MULTIFAMILY.
WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT THE DEVELOPMENT STAFF WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THIS PRODUCT? IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? YEAH, I THINK IF ANYBODY COMES IN AND AND AGAIN, THIS IS A TOOL NOT ONLY FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC BUT FOR STAFF AS WELL.
AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE DID IN THIS PLAN, IS WE DIVIDED IT UP, BUT NO MATTER WHAT WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE, WE'RE GOING TO PULL OUT AND SAY THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO LOOK MORE FAVORABLY ON THIS STYLE OF DEVELOPMENT.
WELL YES. YES, I KNOW I'VE ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE.
SO THE SECOND STEP AFTER THIS IS, PASSED AND ADOPTED, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. AND BRING FORTH CHANGES IN THE ORDINANCE IN ORDER TO MEET THIS PARTICULAR PLAN.
OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DEEP DIVE ON.
THESE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING TONIGHT.
YES AND NO. I MEAN, I WE'RE GOING TO IF, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE THE COMMENT ABOUT DENSITY, THAT NOW'S A PERFECT TIME TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE THESE DESIGNATIONS TALK ABOUT THOSE DIFFERENT TYPES OF DENSITIES.
OKAY. I JUST WANT TO BE SURE WE'RE ON TRACK FOR SURE DOWN THE ROAD.
I GOT YOU OKAY? YES, SIR. THERE APPEARS TO BE A LOT OF OVERLAP BETWEEN THE SN AND THE THE VR.
OKAY, AS FAR AS THE DENSITY REQUIREMENTS ARE CONCERNED, AND IT'S.
WELL, IT'S REAL DIFFICULT TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE TWO.
JUST NORTH OF SHADY BROOK AND SHADY GROVE WAS EAGLE'S LANDING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH APPEARS TO ME TO BE MORE OF THE VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL TYPE THEN.
I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE AREAS, FOR INSTANCE, YOU'LL NOTICE, WE CAN LOOK THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT YOU'LL NOTICE, AT CENTRAL AND CHEEKTOWAGA, THERE'SA, IT'S A MEDIUM DENSITY I AND THAT'S THAT MAY BE THE EASIEST WAY IF YOU'RE TRYING TO WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL AND AND THE SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, THINK OF IT IN AS SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD EQUALS LOW DENSITY AND VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL EQUALS MEDIUM DENSITY.
EAGLE'S NEST IS A MEDIUM DENSITY PRODUCT.
THE SUBDIVISION THERE AT CHEEKSPARGER AND CENTRAL.
AND I FORGET THE NAME OF THE SUBDIVISION NOW.
IT SLIPPED ME. BUT ANYWAY, THAT IS MORE OF A MEDIUM DENSITY URBAN RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT.
ONE OF THE THINGS JUST TO CLARIFY IN GENERAL, I CAN GET THIS STRAIGHT IN MY HEAD AS IF.
WHAT HAPPENS IF THE FUTURE USE MAP CHANGES
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WHAT IS THERE NOW? YEAH. PROBABLY NOT SAYING THIS RIGHT.BUT IF THE INTENDED FUTURE USE.
IS SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY PHYSICALLY THERE.
HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT, IF ANYTHING, THAT DOES? IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHEN THAT PROPERTY REDEVELOPS.
AND LET'S SAY SOMEONE COMES IN FOR A ZONING CHANGE.
AND I'LL USE A GOOD EXAMPLE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENED OR CHANGES OWNERSHIP.
NO, OWNERSHIP HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
OKAY. BUT LET'S LET'S LOOK AT OAKWOOD HILLS.
IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.
ON THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ADOPTED THAT WAS IDENTIFIED AS RELIGIOUS.
WELL, CLEARLY IT'S NOT RELIGIOUS ANYMORE.
AND THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT I SAID FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT THAT I WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS IS THAT I DON'T WANT TO WHILE WE'VE GOT A FOCUS FOR THAT REALISM, THAT REALISTIC VIEW OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE, I ALSO WANT US TO THINK ABOUT IF THERE'S A LAND USE THAT THAT IS SHOWN ON THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THAT WE THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
AND I THINK IT WAS A STRUGGLE ON P AND Z AND COUNCIL'S PART TO DECIDE, IS THIS REALLY WHAT WE WANT HERE? BECAUSE WE HADN'T LOOKED AT WHAT COULD BE.
AND THAT'S WHAT A FUTURE LAND USE MAP DOES.
DOES IT MEAN I MEAN, WE'VE GOT.
SO FOR INSTANCE, TO YOUR POINT, OAKWOOD HILLS, WHICH IS BEING BUILT AS A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE MAP, IT SHOWS IT AS AS RELIGIOUS. SO IT DOESN'T MEAN ANY.
I MEAN, I SHOULDN'T SAY IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
IT JUST MEANS THE ONLY TIME IT CHANGES IS WHEN SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME IN AND REDEVELOP IT.
WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE? IF ONE OF THE OLD APARTMENT COMPLEXES JUST CRUMBLES TO THE GROUND, OR SOMEBODY SAYS, WE GOT TO TEAR THIS THING DOWN OR WHATEVER, AND THAT'S WHAT WE TRY TO LOOK AT.
I MEAN, THAT'S AND THAT'S WHERE WE LOOKED AT THE I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TWO MULTIFAMILY GROUPS COMING UP THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SUBURBAN MULTIFAMILY AND URBAN RESIDENTIAL, WE LOOKED AT THOSE AND SAID, OKAY.
BUT YES, IF YOU WANTED TO TAKE A, AND I'M TRYING TO THINK OF ONE, I MEAN.
AND IT'S, WE'VE GOTTEN TO THAT YET, BUT, IF YOU LOOK OVER.
ON THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AGAIN, IT'S IT'S COMMERCIAL.
AND THIS VILLAGE COMMERCIAL ALLOWS A COMBINATION OF RESIDENTIAL AND, COMMERCIAL KIND OF INNER, THEY WORK TOGETHER. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO WORK TOGETHER.
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE INTERCONNECTIVITY.
AND SO THAT'S, OUR GOAL FOR THE CAMPUS WEST PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S THAT'S A LITTLE BIT, I THINK, MR. CHAIRMAN, TO KIND OF GO ALONG WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WE DID SOME OF THAT FORESIGHT.
YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED TO THE FUTURE ON SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT WE COULD.
OKAY. BECAUSE I'M, I KNOW I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF IS FOR ME TO LOOK AT IT.
WHAT WOULD BE A GREAT FUTURE PLAN.
LET'S SEE HOW REALISTIC IT IS AND IF IT IS, IF WE THINK IT IS REALISTIC AND IT'S A MARKET DRIVEN THING, THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT MAKING THE CHANGE TO THE PLAN. IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT MOST OF THESE PHOTOS CAME OUT OF THE HOUSTON AREA BASED ON.
NO, NO, THERE'S WE COULD FIND THEM HERE IN THE METROPLEX.
OKAY. NEXT ONE KIND OF ALREADY TOUCHED ON, BUT THIS IS SUBURBAN MULTIFAMILY.
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THESE ARE ONES THAT WE DID NOT SEE, THAT WE JUST DIDN'T REALLY THINK WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE OVER TO THAT URBAN SIDE OF THINGS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.IT'S A TYPICAL SUBURBAN GARDEN.
I CALL IT A GARDEN STYLE MULTIFAMILY, KIND OF WHAT THEY ARE TODAY.
THEY, SO I'M GOING TO TYPICAL THREE, FOUR STORIES.
THIS ONE DOES HAVE A DENSITY OF A RANGE FROM 18 TO 36.
WHEN I SAW THOSE RANGES, I GOT A LITTLE NERVOUS.
HOWEVER, I SPENT SOME TIME TODAY GOING THROUGH.
I WENT THROUGH ALL OF OUR MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES.
WE'VE GOT 35 IN THE CITY, AND I WENT THROUGH ALL.
AND I LOOKED AT I'VE CALCULATED ALL OF THEIR DENSITY DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, ON ALL OF THEM.
AND I THINK THOSE NUMBERS ARE PRETTY ACCURATE.
MOST OUR RANGE GOES FROM I'VE GOT THE NOTES THERE, BUT I'LL SAY OUR RANGE GOES FROM ABOUT 12 UNITS PER ACRE ALL THE WAY UP TO, LIKE I SAID, 39, 38, 39, UNITS PER ACRE.
SO. THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S ON THE GROUND.
NOW, I'M PUTTING THIS OUT TO YOU ALL IF YOU'RE LIKE, OKAY, WE GET THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE GROUND AND WE GET THAT'S WHAT SOMEONE'S GOING TO WANT TO REDEVELOP IT AS. HOWEVER, WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING IN OUR PLAN TO SAY 36 UNITS PER ACRE.
THEN YOU JUST NEED TO TELL ME THAT, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE COMPLETELY UNREALISTIC TO SAY WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING MORE THAN 24 UNITS PER ACRE, OR 32 UNITS PER ACRE, WHATEVER NUMBER YOU ALL FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN REALLY GO TOO MUCH FURTHER DOWN FROM 24.
AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A GUIDE YOU'RE NOT APPROVING.
DEVELOPMENTS CAN GO UP TO THIS.
EVERYTHING IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH YOU.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVE THAT, THEY MEET THE DESIGN AND THE CHARACTER OF THE CITY WANTS.
BUT JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
I DON'T NECESSARILY NEED AN ANSWER TODAY, BUT YEAH, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, I APPRECIATE IT.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH 24 AND I WANT YOU ALL TO BE I MEAN, I'M EVERY CITY IS DIFFERENT.
AND I 39 IS WAY I MEAN AND THERE AGAIN IT ALSO GIVES THE DEVELOPER OR SAY REDEVELOPER.
OKAY. THIS IS WHAT THEY CAN TOLERATE.
AND I OUGHT NOT TO BRING 39 OR 35 OR WHATEVER TO THE TABLE, BECAUSE THAT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.
I DON'T THINK IT'S I THINK THAT'S A VERY VALID AND FAIR STATEMENT TO SAY.
AND I THINK THAT IF, IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE SITTING THERE SAYING THERE IS NO WAY, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S PLATED IN GOLD OR WHATEVER POSSIBLE AMENITY, THEY COULD ADD TO IT, THAT I COULD CONSCIOUSLY APPROVE 36 UNITS AN ACRE.
THEN LET'S BE REALISTIC, AND LET'S BE HONEST TO THE READERS OF THIS DOCUMENT AND SAY THEY DON'T WANT MORE THAN X, BECAUSE FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, TO GET 36 UNITS PER ACRE, YOU'RE TALKING AT LEAST A THREE STORY BUILDING.
YEAH. BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT THE DENSITY.
IT'S ALSO WHAT SIZE BUILDINGS THAT GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THING.
BECAUSE IF YOU START STACKING TO 3 OR 4 STORY BUILDING, YOUR DENSITY WOULD GO UP.
INCREMENTALLY. AND IF WE DON'T THINK WE REALLY WANT 3 TO 4 STORY APARTMENT BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, THEN YEAH, THE LOWER DENSITY LIKE TO THE 24, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT BIG A BUILDING.
YOU ARE RIGHT, I WAS I JUST PULLED UP.
THE ONE THAT WAS 39 UNITS PER ACRE IS A THREE STORY.
IT MAY ACTUALLY BE FOUR STORY, BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT IT'S THREE STORY.
I PERSONALLY AND THIS IS JUST ME.
BUT I PERSONALLY DON'T WORRY ABOUT HEIGHTS.
I THINK HEIGHTS YOU CAN YOU CAN SET A DESIGN STANDARD FOR HEIGHTS THAT YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK.
SO IT'S NOT INTRUSIVE ON YOUR NEIGHBORS.
I SEE. YEAH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL LOOK AT.
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THAT'S THAT NEXT STEP THAT WE'LL LOOK AT WHEN WE'RE DIVING IN.THEN THEN WE'LL LOOK AT, OKAY, WE KNOW WE DON'T WANT A FOUR STORY BUILDING THAT CAN SIT RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE TO LOOK INTO A RESIDENTIAL, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, SO AND WE'LL BUILD THOSE STANDARDS INTO THAT.
BUT BUT DON'T THE ECONOMICS FOR THE DEVELOPER ALSO FIT INTO THIS? IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'D HAVE A BETTER FEELING OF WHERE WE COULD GO AND SAY X, BECAUSE IF WE WENT TO Y, THERE'S JUST NO WAY ANYBODY COULD BUILD IT FEASIBLY AND MAKE A BUCK ON IT.
AND I GUESS IT'D BE NICE TO KIND OF KNOW THAT, I THINK, WELL, I MEAN, AND THAT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY AND ALL THAT KIND OF THAT'S GOING TO BE A CASE BY CASE BASIS. OKAY.
SO I CAN'T SIT HERE AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION TONIGHT.
THE, THE THING ABOUT THAT'S GOING TO BE, THOUGH.
I KIND OF LIKE TO GO BACK TO WHAT I TOLD COMMISSIONER OTTO.
IF IF YOU IF, YOU KNOW, I JUST CAN'T.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE A 36 PER UNIT OR 36 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE COMMUNITY.
I THINK WE'RE MORE OF AN X THEN.
THAT'S THAT'S THE DECISION WE MAKE AS A COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY MADE THE DECISION 12 UNITS PER ACRE FOR MULTIFAMILY.
AT THE TIME THAT MADE SENSE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THAT WAS THEIRS.
I THINK I WOULD RECOMMEND GOING THAT LOW ON ANYTHING BECAUSE I THINK IT REALLY RESTRICTS.
HAVE WE HAD ANYTHING IN YOUR TIME HERE THAT BASED ON THAT DIDN'T GO THROUGH BECAUSE OF THE OR.
I MEAN, I REALIZE IT'S MULTIFAMILY.
WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH MULTIFAMILY.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO PROPOSE A MULTIFAMILY USE, THEN YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S VERY SPECIAL.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT PIECE I'M TALKING ABOUT? YOU KNOW, I DO THINK THAT I AM FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
I DO THINK THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS THROWN OUT.
AND, AND YEAH, TYPICALLY, I MEAN, OF COURSE WE DON'T TELL ANYBODY.
OH, YEAH. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM A REASONABLE CHANCE.
NO USE JUST WASTING THEIR TIME, RIGHT? ANYBODY'S TIME OR MONEY.
BUT I THINK WE WE JUST REALLY TELL THEM, LOOK AT THE CITY OF BEDFORD.
LOOK AT OUR 35 APARTMENT COMMUNITIES.
I FEEL LIKE THE CITY FEELS LIKE THEY HAVE ENOUGH MULTIFAMILY PRODUCT, AND THAT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO ADD MORE TO, UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT SOMETHING EXTREMELY SPECIAL.
AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THOSE.
AND MY HOPE IS AND THIS, THIS IS WHILE IT'S A DREAM, IT'S HOPEFULLY A REALISTIC DREAM.
LET ME ASK YOU A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
I'M LOOKING AT WHAT I THINK IS MORROW GREEN UP THERE, OR I SEE A THE CIRCLE YOU HAVE CALLED SM, WELL, LET ME POINT TO IT.
I THINK THIS IS A I THINK THIS IS MORE A GREEN.
MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS ASPIRATIONAL? BECAUSE NORTH OF MORROW GREEN IS THE HIGH DENSITY PLACE CALLED THE POINT.
AND THAT TO ME IS THIS THE HIGHER DENSITY IS THIS ASPIRATIONAL.
AND SAYING, WE HOPE THIS PLACE CALLED THE POINT BECOMES MORE LIKE MORROW GREEN.
OTHERWISE, IT SEEMS LIKE THE NORTH PART OF THIS SHOULD BE SM.
I'M CONFUSED. WELL, I THINK NO, I THINK THE GOAL THERE IS THAT WE HOPE WHETHER IT BECOMES A TOWNHOME PRODUCT LIKE MORROW GREEN OR IT JUST BECOMES A MORE A A MORE SPECIAL MULTIFAMILY PRODUCT, BUT THAT IS ONE THAT WE IDENTIFIED AS IT MAY BE IN THE NEAR FUTURE, SOMETHING THAT COULD REDEVELOP.
SO IT'S SOMEWHAT ASPIRATIONAL.
DOES ANYBODY? NO? I THINK WE SHOULD STRONGLY CONSIDER KEEPING MAKING SM THE SAME DENSITY AS YOU ARE AT 24 UNITS.
YEAH. TO NOT LET 36 UNITS PER ACRE IN HERE HERE BE MY CASE FOR THAT IN BEDFORD.
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WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH GEOGRAPHY TO HAVE A GREAT BIG PIECE OF LAND THAT'S GOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR PARKING AND GREEN SPACE AND AUXILIARY ACTIVITIES AND SWIMMING POOLS AND OTHER THINGS TO THEN ON TOP OF THAT, PUT IN, YOU KNOW, A DENSITY OF 36 UNITS, YOU KNOW, 39 OR 30.WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE 36 THAT'S IN THE CURRENTLY ON THE PAGE HERE IN SM.
YEAH. SO GIVEN ALL OF OUR PLOTS ARE RELATIVELY RESTRICTED, THEY'RE NOT JUST TREMENDOUSLY BIG.
MAKE THE TWO SM AND URS THE SAME DENSITY AND THAT'S FINE.
I WANT TO POINT OUT BECAUSE COMMISSIONER JACKSON BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE POINT.
I THINK IT'S NOW CALLED THE RISE OF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I THINK THEY'VE RECENTLY NAMED IT.
THAT'S. YEAH, BUT IT'S THE SAME THING.
WE ALL KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THAT ONE IS 36 UNITS PER ACRE.
AND ALSO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE GOT TO BE YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT FROM A AS COMMISSIONER GALLENSTEIN SAID, FROM A DEVELOPER STANDPOINT, IF THEY'VE GOT 36 UNITS PER ACRE AND THEY WANT TO REDEVELOP IT.
THEY MAY NOT BE SO INCLINED TO REDEVELOP IT IF THEY ARE GOING TO LOSE DENSITY.
THEY'VE GOT THEIR THEY'VE GOT THEIR DENSITY.
SO THERE IS SOME NONCONFORMING AND THEY'VE GOT SOME QUOTE UNQUOTE GRANDFATHERING.
I DON'T LIKE THAT WORD, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN BY IT.
SO I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT OUR NON-CONFORMING ORDINANCE SAYS ABOUT THAT.
BUT I'M REALLY JUST RAMBLING NOW, BUT I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU ALL A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION AS TO WHAT DYNASTY LOOKS LIKE AND, AND HOW THIS PROCESS WORKS, BUT THAT'S THE APARTMENT THAT OVERLOOKS GENERATIONS PARK.
THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. THAT WOULD BE A BEAUTIFUL SPOT FOR.
THAT'S THE ONE APARTMENT COMPLEX I'D LIKE TO SEE CHANGED.
BUT I'M TRYING TO GET IT DOWN TO WHERE THE 24.
SO THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO DEAL WITH.
THE TREND APPEARS THAT THESE MULTIFAMILIES ARE GOING TO THREE AND FOUR STORIES.
SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE OPEN SPACE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WELL, IS IT 24 OR 30 OR 36? HOW DOES THE MATH WORK WHEN YOU'RE ASKING THE DEVELOPER TO INCORPORATE MORE OPEN SPACE IN THE DEVELOPMENT, DOES THAT MITIGATE? WELL, YOU KNOW IT.
IT'S 36 IN THIS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS OPEN SPACE.
SO IF YOU AVERAGE IT IT COMES OUT TO 24 OR 30.
WE THINK OUR CITY LACKS GREEN SPACE.
SO IF WE'RE GOING TO REDEVELOP APARTMENTS IT WOULD BE NICE TO GO UP AND OPEN UP SOME SPACE FOR MORE GREEN SPACE. AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT I ENVISION US DOING IN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
AGAIN, THAT NEXT STAGE IS WE'LL BUILD INTO AND I THINK WE CAN GET REALLY CREATIVE WITH THAT.
YOU CAN IN SOME CASES, I'VE SEEN IT SAY IF YOU PROVIDE WELL, FIRST LET ME STEP BACK BECAUSE I'M GETTING A LITTLE BIT OFF SUBJECT, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NO, THE THE WAY WE CALCULATE DENSITY IS JUST DENSITY PER ACREAGE.
SO THE BUT THE KICK TO THAT IS THAT IF YOU, IF THE DEVELOPER STILL HAS TO DEVELOP WITHIN OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. SO IF WE SAY IN MULTIFAMILY, WE WANT 50% OF THE LAND TO BE OPEN SPACE, HE CAN STILL DO LET'S SAY WE SAY FOUR STORIES, HE CAN STILL DO X NUMBER OF UNITS PER ACRE AND STILL PROVIDE THE 50% OPEN SPACE.
IF HE CAN MAKE THAT WORK, HE CAN MAKE THAT WORK.
DOES THAT MAKE DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? AND THAT'S WHAT MY VISION WOULD BE.
RATHER THAN TEAR DOWN WHAT WE HAVE AND BUILD MORE TWO STORY APARTMENTS THAT DON'T SEEM TO BE ON TREND, ALLOWING THEM TO GO THREE FOUR STORIES BUT DEMAND MORE OPEN SPACE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENTS.
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THE NORTH CENTRAL COUNCIL OF TEXAS..AS I LOOKED AT THAT MAP, THERE'S NOTHING THAT RUNS THROUGH BEDFORD IN THERE.
IT'S THERE'S A HOLE THEY GO AROUND.
IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO CONSIDER GETTING ON THAT PROGRAM OR WHATEVER, OR IN THERE, OR DESIGNATE AREAS THAT I WOULD ASSUME, AND THIS IS REALLY JUST ME ASSUMING, AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT THAT DOES, AND IT USUALLY GETS ME IN TROUBLE.
BUT BUT I WOULD ASSUME THAT TARRANT COUNTY OR THE COG HASN'T PUT US ON THAT MAP BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A MASTER TRAIL PLAN, RIGHT? FOR THEM TO LOOK AT AND SAY, OH, WE CAN TIE IN HERE, WE CAN TIE IN THERE.
I ENVISION I HOPE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO DO IN THE FUTURE.
ANOTHER COMPONENT OF THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS TALKS ABOUT CONNECTIVITY.
BUT A BUT A TRUE MASTER TRAILS PLAN IS, IS PROBABLY WHAT WE NEED.
AND I'M GETTING OUTSIDE A LITTLE BIT OF MY LANE.
OKAY. THIS IS A I BELIEVE IT'S EARLY LAST YEAR, COUNCIL ADOPTED A NEW PARKS PLAN THAT WENT TO WENT TO PARKS AND WILDLIFE, GOT APPROVED. THAT IS SUPPOSED TO ROLL IN TO THIS NEW MASTER PLAN.
IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, IT'S A PART OF IT.
YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. IT HASN'T BEEN INCORPORATED IN THE MAP YET BECAUSE THIS IS STILL.
WELL, THIS IS JUST ONE MAP THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT FUTURE LAND USE TONIGHT.
SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE MAPS THAT ARE GOING TO COME OUT OF THE MASTER PLAN.
BUT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THE I TO MY KNOWLEDGE, AND YOU MAY KNOW MORE THAN ME, BUT I DID NOT THINK THAT THE PARKS MASTER PLAN HAD A TRAILS MASTER PLAN COMPONENT. THINK YOU DID, DOES IT? OKAY, THEN I STAND CORRECTED.
I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT THEN, BECAUSE ONE PART OF THE.
PARKS AND WILDLIFE GRANT THAT THE CITY APPLIED FOR HAD TO DO WITH TRAILS AND PARKING AND AND THE TRAIL THAT GOES ALONG THROUGH THE UTILITY EASEMENT.
YOU KNOW, THEIR COMINGS AND ALL THROUGH IN THERE.
I THINK THERE'S A COMPONENTS OF THAT I BELIEVE WERE TO ROLL INTO THAT PLAN.
OKAY. BUT I AND I KNEW THAT WAS IN THERE.
I JUST THOUGHT THAT, I MEAN, A TRAIL MASTER PLAN IS A IS A LOT MORE THAN JUST ONE LINEAR PARK.
SO. SO YEAH, I DON'T THINK THE GENERAL PUBLIC REALLY SAW THAT PLAN.
THEY WENT TO THEY WENT TO AUSTIN AND THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH GOTCHA.
OKAY. SO THE GRANT FOR TOM'S TENNIS COURTS COULD GET DONE.
HIS PLAN HAD TO BE UPDATED IN ORDER TO APPLY FOR THAT GRANT THAT WE THEN WRITE.
OKAY. SO BACK TO OUR CONVERSATION TO COMMISSIONER OTTO BROUGHT UP, IF WE WERE TO CHANGE SM TO 24 PER ACRE. AND TO WEAR BOTH OF THOSE TWO SIMILAR AREAS AT THE SAME DENSITY.
WHAT WOULD THAT DO? WOULD YOU STILL THINK THAT'S A THING? AND WHAT WOULD THAT DO TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? YEAH. IT WOULD JUST REQUIRE ME TO MARK OUT 18 TO 36 AND PUT IN UP TO 24, 14 TO 24.
I MEAN, JUST NOT. I MEAN, YOU DON'T TAKE IT, IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL VOTE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE OBJECTION TO THAT? NO. OKAY.
IT WOULD BE 14 TO 24 TO BE THE SAME NOMENCLATURE AS IN YOU ARE.
I THINK THIS IS YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WHEN YOU HAVE THE DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNCIL ON US, YOU CAN BRING THIS UP AND TELL THEM WE, WE DROPPED IT AND THEN YOU CAN GIVE THEM THE EXAMPLE OF THE THAT HE BROUGHT UP, THE ONE OVERLOOKING, GENERATIONS PARK AND THAT THE LIGHT BULB WILL COME ON FOR THEM. RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH.
OKAY. WE HIJACKED PART OF YOUR DEAL, BUT THAT'S THAT'S GOOD.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE HERE FOR. SO, AND NOW I'LL STOP.
WE'VE KILLED A DEAD HORSE ON THE URBAN RESIDENTIAL.
ARE YOU ALL GOOD? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT?
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VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU. OKAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE LIFESTYLE.RESIDENTIAL. THIS ONE, YOU'LL NOTICE IT'S ONLY ON ONE SPOT IN THE MAP.
AND YOU'LL PROBABLY ALL RECOGNIZE THE PROPERTY THAT IT'S HIGHLIGHTING.
THE CONSULTANTS IN THEIR MEETING WITH DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS HAD A GOOD MEETING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVES WHO OWN THAT PROPERTY.
AND, AND THEY CAME BACK WITH THIS TYPE OF, OF KIND OF BASED ON THEIR CONVERSATION.
AND AND SO THIS IS THIS IS ABOUT 40 ACRES.
IT IS REALLY OUR LAST, BIGGEST.
WE DON'T UNLESS THERE IS SOME, SOME MINOR OR, SMALLER BOUTIQUE STYLE COMMERCIAL ALONG HARWOOD.
I WOULD NOT EXPECT YOU TO HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPED IN THAT, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A LOT AT THE INTERSECTION OF CENTRAL AND, HARWOOD AND IT'S SO CLOSE AND THEIR IDEAS OF HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT A MORE HOW WE CAN INTEGRATE A MORE CONNECTIVITY THROUGH WALKING PATHS AND BIKE PATHS SO THAT THOSE TWO AREAS REALLY COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER.
BUT THIS IS SEEN AS MORE OF A AN A LA CARTE TYPE OR A INCLUDE EVERY TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT THAT WE WOULD HAVE WITHIN THE CITY.
IT COULD BE ZERO LOT LINE HOMES, COTTAGE FIELD HOMES.
KIND OF LIKE, THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST GOING TO KIND OF.
WITHOUT THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT.
RIGHT, RIGHT. SO, I WOULD NOT.
AND WE PURPOSELY LEFT OUT OF HERE ANY TYPE OF, CONVERSATION ABOUT MULTIFAMILY.
THERE WAS SOME, SOME, YOU KNOW, READING IT TO MAKE SURE I DIDN'T MISS SOMETHING THERE, BUT THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT SOME BECAUSE PART OF, THE DEVELOPMENT YOU JUST REFERENCED HAS SOME CONDOMINIUM LIVING IN IT.
BUT WE WE JUST DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS A GOOD FIT FOR US FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
BUT AGAIN, ANY QUESTIONS COMMENTS ABOUT THIS ONE.
IS THIS WORDING? I'M SORRY. LIFESTYLE.
RESIDENTIAL. IS THIS A REGULARLY USED INDUSTRY SET OF WORDS OR DOES THIS SHOW UP ON THE BEDFORD PLAN? I MEAN, IF I CALLED FIVE CITIES AND SAY, COULD YOU TELL ME WHERE YOUR LIFESTYLE RESIDENTIAL ZONE IS, YOUR CITY, WOULD THAT BE RECOGNIZABLE? PROBABLY NOT.
I MEAN, MOST MOST PLACES WOULD CALL THAT A MIXED USE TYPE ZONING.
OKAY. WE, AND ALSO, IT COULD BE.
STARTER FAMILIES IN TOWNHOMES OR RETIREES IN TOWNHOMES.
THE ZERO LOT LINE MAY BE, YOU KNOW, A DOWNSIZING FROM YOUR SUBURBAN, BUT WE'VE GOT SUBURBAN STYLE TOWN OR SINGLE FAMILY STYLE RESIDENTIAL IN HERE. THE UNIQUE THING ABOUT THIS PROPERTY, AND WE ALL KNOW IT, IS THAT IT'S KIND OF SUBDIVIDED BY THE TRAIL.
AND SO IT GIVES YOU A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING TYPES WITH A BUFFER IN THERE SO THAT THEY'RE NOT SO THAT THE HIGHER DENSITY TOWNHOMES AREN'T RIGHT ON TOP OF THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
AND SO IT GIVES YOU SOME GOOD DESIGN PLAY, I GUESS.
NOT ONLY IS IT A TRAIL, IT'S AN ELECTRICAL UTILITY EASEMENT.
WELL, I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT OF THAT PROPERTY.
AND I THINK OF THE PLACE OVER IN NORTH RICHLAND HILLS.
DOES THIS FIT UNDER THAT CONCEPT OF NEW URBANISM? IT DOES. OKAY.
AND I MEAN THEY'VE DONE THAT PRETTY WELL OVER THERE.
WE LOOK FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND SO ON.
AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW YOU VISUALIZE IT.
I DO AND I AGAIN, FORGET THE COMMERCIAL.
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WE DO FEEL LIKE THAT IS A AND I'LL, KIND OF GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE EVEN THE URBAN RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH OF IT.SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE HOPEFUL THAT WHENEVER THE LIFESTYLE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPS, OUR HOPE IS THAT THE THE COMMERCIAL AT THAT INTERSECTION WILL, WILL SPRUCE UP A LITTLE BIT.
JUST A QUESTION THAT THAT COMMUNITY ABUTS MY COMMUNITY ACROSS FROM HARWOOD.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS WITH THAT VERY BROAD DEFINITION.
WHAT'S TO PREVENT IT FROM BEING ALL, TOWNHOMES? WELL, THEY'LL HAVE TO COME IN FOR A ZONING CHANGE SO P&Z AND COUNCIL CAN IF THEY DON'T WANT IT TO BE ALL ZONING, ALL TOWNHOMES, THEN THEY CAN DENY THAT.
OKAY. SO THIS GUIDE SAYS WE WANT A MIX OF THIS.
YOU STILL HAVE ZONING CONTROLS? THIS IS JUST A GUIDE, OKAY? I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NORTH RICHLAND HILLS DEVELOPMENT, I MEAN, THEY PUT SOME TIME INTO THAT.
I MEAN, THE STREETS FACE A CERTAIN WAY, THE TREES AND SO ON.
YOU GO FROM LARGER HOMES TO SMALLER HOMES.
I MEAN, THEY DID THAT. WELL, THERE'S A NUMBER OF WATER TREATMENTS..
RIGHT.. AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
NOW IT'S IT'S GOT TO BE A BIGGER PARCEL THAN.
WHEN YOU LOOKED DOWNSTAIRS THERE WERE ALWAYS BLINDS DRAWN.
THAT'S BECAUSE THERE WERE NO BUSINESSES IN THEM.
BUT THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE SEEMED TO DO VERY WELL AND COVERED A LOT OF DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS.
RIGHT. SO AS THIS PROPERTY SEEMS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO THE VISION FOR BEDFORD COMMONS. A LITTLE BIT.
I WOULD DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE BEDFORD COMMONS HAS A LOT OF COMMERCIAL IN IT AS WELL.
SO LIKE WHEN I'M LOOKING HERE, I DON'T SEE BEDFORD COMMONS DOESN'T.
IS IT AC ACTIVITY CENTER? WE'RE GETTING THERE.
WELL I AM, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO CONNECT DOTS.
NO I UNDERSTAND HEY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LIVE THERE.
WHAT DO WE WHAT DO WE CALLING WHAT WHERE THEY'RE LIVING I GET THE I GET THE LIFESTYLE RESIDENTIAL.
YEAH. BUT I BUT YOU'RE I MEAN I THINK AC IS, IS REALLY USUALLY YOU ONLY HAVE ONE OF THOSE IN A CITY, ESPECIALLY A CITY OUR SIZE.
AND, AND THAT IS TYPICALLY YOUR DOWNTOWN, YOUR CORE, YOUR ACTIVITY CENTER.
OKAY. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
ACTIVITY CENTER. BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, WELL, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LIVE THERE TO SOME DEGREE, SO.
BUT THERE IS THERE TO THAT POINT.
YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AND I CAN'T SAY THIS ENOUGH BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IT REALLY IS ONE OF OUR GREATEST THINGS THAT WE CAN WORK ON. AND THAT'S CONNECTIVITY AND MAKING SURE THAT YOU CAN WALK THERE, YOU CAN BIKE THERE, YOU CAN DRIVE THERE, AND EVERYBODY'S SAFE AND EVERYBODY'S HAPPY.
OKAY. SINCE MR. SMITH BURST MY BUBBLE ON THIS ONE.
CLEARLY THE CORE OF IT IS THE THE CITY OWNED PARCELS, THE NATIONAL STATE BANK.
BUT IT ALSO LOOKS AT HOW YOU CAN LINK THE, THE LIBRARY, THE, THE OLD BEDFORD SCHOOL, THE, THE, THE AREAS ON BEDFORD ROAD AND HOW YOU CAN LINK ALL THAT AND ITS PROXIMITY TO THE URBAN RESIDENTIAL THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
SO AGAIN, IT REALLY IS IT'S A IT'S IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WANTED TO CALL MIXED USE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT THAT, THAT, CONNOTATION THAT MIXED USE SOMETIMES BRINGS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE FOCUSED ON AN ACTIVITY CENTER, A DOWNTOWN CENTER.
THERE AGAIN, YOU WORDSMITH IT.
[INAUDIBLE] ELSE IS JUST TRYING TO SUMMARIZE? ALL I GOT TO SAY, THE GREEN AREA REMINDS ME THERE AT LEWISVILLE, WHERE IT CONNECTS TO CITY HALL AND CONNECTS TO OLD TOWN LEWISVILLE.
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YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT I'M SAYING.AND THAT REALLY DOES HAVE A REAL CONNECTION THERE.
OKAY. VILLAGE CENTER I TOUCHED ON THESE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER.
THIS IS THE CAMPUS WEST PROPERTY, AND THEN, BEDFORD ROAD, BROWN TRAIL INTERSECTION.
THESE ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE, IT THEIR THEIR DESTINATION.
BUT THEY'RE NOT THE BIG DESTINATION.
THEY'VE THEY'VE GOT ANCHORS THAT DRAW PEOPLE.
CLEARLY AT BEDFORD ROAD AND BROWN TRAIL, THERE'S TURNING POINT AND THAT'S GROWING.
SO I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME, SOME SYNERGY AND SOME REAL EXCITEMENT HAPPENING THERE.
OBVIOUSLY IN THE NEAR FUTURE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE PLANS ON CAMPUS WEST.
AND SO, THOSE TWO, WHILE THEY'RE NOT MAJOR ACTIVITY CENTERS, THEY ARE THE MINOR VILLAGE CENTERS.
THAT AND THAT'S WHY YOU'VE GOT SOME LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, THE THE VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL AND THE URBAN RESIDENTIAL KIND OF HUGGING THE THAT AREA BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BUILT THAT WAY.
AND WE THINK THOSE AREAS COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER.
SO IN THAT PARTICULAR VC RIGHT THERE NORTH OF TURNING POINT, THAT'S ALSO WHERE WE JUST PUT THE CAT PLACE, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S A LOT OF OPEN GROUND THERE AND OLD BUILDINGS THAT WOULD BE GOOD CANDIDATES FOR REDEVELOPMENT.
OF COURSE, THE DISTANT FUTURE OF COURSE.
AND WE'VE HAD SOME APPLICATIONS.
WE'VE HAD APPLICATIONS FOR INSTANCE, THE AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M SAYING THIS RIGHT BEFORE.
YEAH. THE VILLAGE CENTER KIND OF GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN BEDFORD ROAD TO OUR, WEST CITY LIMIT LINE.
WE'VE HAD SOME APPLICATIONS IN OTHER SHOPPING CENTERS THERE THAT WE REALLY STRUGGLE WITH.
WHAT DO WE WANT IN THIS AREA? AND, AND HOPEFULLY THIS VILLAGE CENTER DESIGNATION KIND OF GIVES PNC AND COUNCIL SOME, SOME ROOM TO SAY, NO, THIS ISN'T WHAT WE WANT IN THIS AREA.
WE WANT WE WANT IT TO BE MORE OF A DESTINATION.
AND THAT'S NOT REALLY ADDING TO THE DESTINATION.
YOU KNOW THE PIECE ON 157, ARE THERE MORE TOWNHOMES NOW IN THE DESIGN AND LESS COMMERCIAL THAN THERE WAS MAYBE INITIALLY, OR IS IT ABOUT THE SAME? IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THE NUMBER WAS HIGHER.
I DON'T KNOW, IT'S BEEN A WHILE.
I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER OF WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED.
DO YOU THINK THERE'S AS MUCH COMMERCIAL AS WHAT WE INITIALLY THOUGHT OR.
YES. I DON'T THINK COMMERCIAL HAS CHANGED AT ALL.
OKAY. THE, AND I, I, I'M GOING TO BE VERY HESITANT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON CAMPUS WES JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT'S AN ONGOING THING.
MOVING ON. IF EVERYBODY'S GOOD.
THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY, THOUGH, IS ON, SUBURBAN STRIPS, COMMERCIAL.
I WANT YOU TO LOOK AND MAKE SURE WE WERE GOOD, BECAUSE WHAT I, WHAT WE'VE SAID IN THERE IS THAT THESE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL OR RETAIL SERVICE INDUSTRY TYPE THINGS AND OFFICES.
A LOT OF TIMES WE'VE HAD, USES COME INTO A STRIP CENTER THAT WE'RE LIKE, WE DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT THAT THERE.
AND I'M GOING TO THROW OUT SOME EXAMPLES.
WE'VE HAD A SPLATTER AND SMASH ENTERTAINMENT USE.
WE'VE HAD A, AN AMUSEMENT ARCADE OR WE'VE HAD A, A TATTOO PARLOR.
AND AGAIN, OUR COMMERCIAL USE IS SO BROAD RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN WE'VE ALSO TRIED TO SAY, OKAY, SOME OF THESE OTHER AREAS THAT MAYBE THEY ARE TECHNICALLY THEY LOOK LIKE FROM THE STREET THAT STRIP COMMERCIAL.
AND SO PLACE FOCUS IS MY NEXT SLIDE.
BUT THE OTHER ONE THAT WE HAVE IS THE BIG BOX.
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WE REALLY ONLY HAVE ONE BIG BOX IN TOWN.AND THAT'S THE WALMART SHOPPING CENTER.
AND AND THAT IS JUST WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.
AND WE DON'T SEE THAT CHANGING ANYTIME SOON.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SUBURBAN STRIP COMMERCIAL? SO PLACE FOCUS COMMERCIAL.
THESE ARE AREAS THAT ARE REALLY WE WANT TO MAKE THEM SOMETHING SPECIAL.
WE WANT THEM TO BE ENTERTAINMENT.
WE WANT THEM TO FOCUS ON, WE WANT THEM TO DRAW PEOPLE IN.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE WE'VE LOOKED AT, FOR INSTANCE, THE ONES THAT WE'VE CREATED, I WOULD SAY THE, ROCK ISLAND AUCTION HOUSE LOCATION THAT'S ALREADY STARTING TO SEE SOME SYNERGIES THERE.
AND IT SEEMS TO IT'S GOT A IT'S GOT A THEME GOING ALREADY A LITTLE BIT WITH IT WITH OBVIOUSLY ROCK ISLAND, WE'VE GOT THE GUNSMITH OR THE, THE GUN REPAIR PLACE THERE. THEY'RE MAKING PLANS TO DO SOME MORE, UPKEEP TO THE, THE BUILDINGS AROUND THEM.
SO WE, WE THINK THAT SYNERGY WITH THAT GROWTH WILL CONTINUE TO HAPPEN, WITH THE INTERSECTION AT, HARWOOD AND CENTRAL AGAIN, WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER, BUT BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL OF THE LIFESTYLE RESIDENTIAL THAT COULD HAPPEN, WE THINK THAT COULD REALLY BE AN AN ELEVATED COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT WOULD, NOT ONLY CONTINUE TO HAVE GROCERY STORES THERE, BUT ALSO HAVE MORE EATING, MORE SERVICES, MORE, MORE ENTERTAINMENT AREAS.
FOR INSTANCE, WE'VE RECENTLY APPROVED TWO ENTERTAINMENT AREAS, ONE BEING THE ARCADE AND ONE BEING THE SPLATTER AND SMASH WENT INTO THOSE LOCATIONS. AND SO WE'RE SEEING A THEME THERE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE, WE IDENTIFIED THAT, PLACE FOCUSED ON THE KIND OF THE HARLEY DAVIDSON AND THE WHAT I CALL THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF BEDFORD COMMONS.
HARLEY DOES A LOT OF A LOT OF EVENTS.
A LOT OF THEY WANT TO GROW MORE AND DO MORE.
SO WE THINK THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY THERE TO BE MORE OF A DESTINATION FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN, BUT THEY'RE TECHNICALLY OUTSIDE OF BEDFORD COMMONS.
CORRECT? THEY ARE IN BEDFORD COMMONS.
SO. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON PLACE FOCUS KIND OF GET AN IDEA.
DOES THAT HELP? ALL RIGHT. OFFICE AGAIN.
OFFICE IS KIND OF WHAT WE WHAT WE SAY IT IS.
IT'S JUST IT'S AN OFFICE FOCUS.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE AN OFFICE ZONING CATEGORY.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE WOULD PROBABLY BENEFIT FROM ONE.
WE TEND TO HAVE AND SOME OF OUR OFFICE AREAS, EVEN SOME THAT I'VE GOT CIRCLED THERE.
WE AS STAFF GET GET QUESTIONS ALL THE TIME.
AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE ALLOWED USES BECAUSE OF THE ZONING THEY'RE IN OF RETAIL THINGS OR DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WOULD GO INTO AN OFFICE CENTER THAT MAY NOT BELONG IN AN OFFICE CENTER. OFFICE IS ONE OF THOSE THAT'S FAIRLY SPECIFIC.
IT'S A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE SETTING.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE CREATED THAT OFFICE LAND USE CATEGORY.
THAT'S WHERE THE COWHIDE RETAIL IS.
CAMPUS. WE AGAIN, THIS IS BASED ON OUR CURRENT BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
YEAH, THEY STILL HAVE LAND DOWN THERE.
YEAH. AND THAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT DESIGNATION THERE.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, ADMINISTRATION OFFICE AND, AND THEY'RE DOING DIFFERENT THINGS THERE, AND WE JUST LUMP THAT ALL TOGETHER JUST BECAUSE IT MADE SENSE.
FLEX SPACE. THIS ONE'S SINCE YOU MENTIONED THAT.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE CA RIGHT THERE IN OFFICE CENTRAL THAT'S ADMINISTRATION AND PENNINGTON FIELD.
AND YEAH, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT'S LIKE A PHYSICAL LEARNING CAMPUS.
IT JUST MAY BE A AN OFFICE CAMPUS.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING THERE.
IS THERE ANYWHERE IN HERE? THAT. DESIGNATES WHERE A NEW SCHOOL COULD GO.
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TYPICALLY YOU DON'T WANT TO GET THAT SPECIFIC ON YOUR, ON YOUR FUTURE LAND USE.YEAH. BUT KEEP IN MIND, IN MOST WELL, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GOING DOWN TO 14 TO 24 UNITS, WE'VE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT CAN GO IN THOSE AREAS BECAUSE THOSE AREAS ARE ALREADY DEVELOPED AT IN SOME CASES.
OKAY. IT'S NOT A POPULATION I DON'T SEE THIS PLAN ADDING POPULATION TO.
I MEAN THAT'S THE OBJECT OF THE EXERCISE.
YES. PRETTY MUCH MORE BUSINESS LESS PEOPLE.
THIS ONE, YOU'LL NOTICE, IS ONLY ON THE THE NARROW LOTS THAT FRONT ONTO INDUSTRIAL.
INDUSTRIAL TINT LENDS ITSELF TO A HEAVY TRAFFIC A MORE, I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD INDUSTRIAL, BUT A MORE KIND OF OFFICE WORK AND OFFICE WAREHOUSE ENVIRONMENT, I WOULD SAY.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'VE DESCRIBED HERE IN THE FLEX SPACE.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF OFFICE, A LITTLE BIT OF FLEX.
REALLY OFFICE WAREHOUSE IS THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE IT.
MAYBE AN OFFICE SHOWROOM IN THERE? SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS EMPLOYMENT FOCUS.
AND WE'RE SEEING WAREHOUSING, WE'RE SEEING SOME OF OUR LARGER OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE THERE.
AND WE'VE STILL GOT SOME VACANT LAND THERE.
SO WE SEE THAT ANY FUTURE USES WE'D WANT IN THAT AREA WOULD COMPLEMENT WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.
THAT'S WHY THAT'S THERE. WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT WAS MY LAST SLIDE HERE.
YEAH. I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IF THERE'S BESIDES THE CHANGE.
AND I KNOW THE CITY USED TO HAVE BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IT WHERE YOU'D GO, LET'S SAY I'M COMING IN AND I NEED OFFICE SPACE, AND I STOP IN AND I SEE YOU AND YOU GO, YOU PULL IT UP ON THE SCREEN, YOU GO, I'VE GOT THIS AND I'VE GOT THIS, AND I GOT THIS.
HOW ARE WE OCCUPANCY WISE? AND IF WE'RE SLOW, WHERE DO YOU SEE THE FUTURE GOING SINCE THE WORK ENVIRONMENT HAS CHANGED SOMEWHAT AND I THINK IT'S PERMANENTLY CHANGED IN SOME CASES.
I, I'LL BE HONEST, I'M NOT ONE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR OCCUPANCY RATES ARE.
I KNOW THAT THEY'RE THEY COULD BE BETTER.
OKAY. BUT I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT THE EXACT NUMBERS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
THE, BUT I ALSO THINK I THINK OFFICE IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IS.
BUT NO MATTER WHAT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE OFFICE SPACE.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU WON'T. I'M JUST SAYING THE AMOUNT.
I TELL YOU, AND WITHOUT GOING INTO SPECIFICS ON THE REQUEST, I.
WE WERE APPROACHED LAST WEEK FROM A DEVELOPER THAT HAS TWO BIG OFFICE BUILDINGS IN TOWN, AND THEY ARE LOOKING AT REDEVELOPING THEIR SITES INTO MORE FLEX SPACE OR OFFICE WAREHOUSE, BECAUSE I GUESS THAT'S WHERE THEY SEE THE NEED IN THE IN THE MARKET RIGHT NOW. YOU SAY OFFICE WAREHOUSE.
ARE WE TALKING SOMETHING LIKE WE WORK WHERE YOU GO IN AND YOU YOU RENT A SPACE OR.
NO, I'M TALKING IT'S A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN THAT.
IT'S MORE LIKE WHAT WAS RECENTLY BUILT.
THERE ON 183, JUST EAST OF 121 ON THE NORTH SIDE, THAT LARGE WAREHOUSE WITH SOME OFFICE IN THEIR DISTRIBUTION CENTER. MAYBE A BETTER WORD FOR IT.
SO CLEARLY THERE'S A DEMAND SOMEWHERE AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT OPTIONS.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT UNIQUE IN ANY WAY.
PROBABLY LAST YEAR, I WOULD SAY OFFICE IS DYING, BUT I'M SEEING IT COME BACK A LITTLE BIT.
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I'M ALSO SEEING, DIFFERENT UNIQUE WAYS IN HOW THEY'RE DOING OFFICES THESE DAYS WHERE IT'S MORE OF A INSTEAD OF RENTING YOUR TYPICAL OFFICE BY THE MONTH OR BY THE HOWEVER LONG YOU SIGN A LEASE FOR, IT'S NOW IT'S I'M RENTING THIS OFFICE AND THIS CONFERENCE ROOM FOR THE DAY FOR ALL MY COWORKERS TO COME TOGETHER. WE ALL WORK FROM HOME, BUT NOW WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE DAY TOGETHER.AND SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
BUT IT'S STILL THERE'S STILL A NEED THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMMENTS? CONCERNS? IT IS INTERESTING TO LOOK AT THIS MAP AND REALIZE HOW MANY INDEPENDENTLY DEFINED USES THAT WE HAVE AND HOW THEY'RE CLUSTERED AND WHAT'S NEXT TO WHAT? YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WE SEE CASES COME ACROSS TO US.
IT'S LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO CROSS THE STREET FROM WHEREVER YOU ARE OR THIS ZONING IS, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE STREET? THE PLAN SAYS IT COULD BE.
LET'S SEE COMMERCIAL, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW.
THE RECENT CAR WASH JUMPS TO MIND.
COULD THAT BE PART OF THE REASON? YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS IN TEN YEARS.
OKAY, I REMEMBER THE FIRST ONE I WAS AT IN THE 90S, DAN BOUTWELL.
I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF HE'S STILL ALIVE.
MAYBE. I THINK HE IS. AND AT THAT TIME, IT WAS 13 YEARS BEFORE WE HAD DONE.
RIGHT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD LENGTH OF TIME.
AND SO THESE THINGS KIND OF DEVELOP WILLY NILLY.
AND THEN HERE WE ARE TRYING TO FIT IT ALL.
YEAH. AND THAT'S SOMETHING I MEAN I THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE I'M NOT A FAN.
AND ACTUALLY YOU'LL GET A FAIRLY GOOD LECTURE.
I'VE ALREADY ASKED THEM TO TO GIVE IT TO YOU WHEN, WHEN WE PRESENT THIS FOR ADOPTION.
BUT I WANT BOTH P&Z AND COUNCIL UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS DOCUMENT IS, WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THIS DOCUMENT, HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK, AND THAT THIS WON'T BE THE LAST TIME YOU SEE IT.
THERE ARE A LOT OF CITIES THAT DO THIS EVERY TEN, 15 YEARS, 20 YEARS.
AND IT'S LIKE THEY CHECK A BOX, LIKE, OKAY, WE DON'T DO THAT FOR ANOTHER 20 YEARS.
THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK.
I ENVISION THAT WE'LL GET THIS ADOPTED.
HOPEFULLY. MY HOPE IS MARCH, THAT WE'LL GET THIS ADOPTED AND THAT PROBABLY WITHIN MAYBE APRIL, NO LATER THAN MAY, I'LL COME BACK TO YOU WITH.
OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF GOALS IN THIS PLAN.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT AGAIN REALISTIC AND AND NOT.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE SOMEWHAT REALISTIC, BUT EVERY YEAR WE'RE GOING TO BRING YOU BACK.
STAFF WILL BRING YOU BACK A WORK PLAN.
AND SO AT THE END OF THE YEAR, I'LL SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE ACCOMPLISHED.
YOU SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE SAID WE WOULD ACCOMPLISH.
AND NOW HERE'S OUR WORK PLAN FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
IT IS A VERY MUCH A LIVING DOCUMENT.
AND AND AT THAT SAME PRESENTATION, I'LL SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE DONE AND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING.
I MEAN, AND AND, I'VE TALKED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AS WELL ABOUT MOVING FORWARD.
IF ZONING CASES COME IN, WE NEED TO IF THE ZONING DOESN'T MATCH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, THEN A FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT NEEDS TO COME FORWARD, TOO, SO THAT WE WE'RE DOING WHAT WE SAY WE WANTED TO DO.
AND AND SO I THINK THAT'S YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS MORE AND MORE.
PERSONALLY, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOU AND ANDREA, AND I THINK THE REST OF THE COMMISSION SAY THE SAME THING TO DO THIS, BECAUSE, LIKE I SAID, THE GAP IN TIME AND THINGS CHANGE, CHANGE A LOT.
I MEAN, THAT'S, I MEAN, BUT BUT YEAH.
NO, THAT'S, THAT'S HOPEFULLY WHAT WE'RE OUR GOALS ARE STRUCTURE WISE.
SO I WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING A JOINT MEETING WITH COUNCIL.
I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATE YET.
LET ME WALK. SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A JOINT THING WITH COUNCIL FOR THEM TO, I GUESS, TRY TO SELL US THIS PLAN OR WE TALK ABOUT IT JOINTLY, KIND OF LIKE WE DID THIS EVENING.
BUT IF I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS CORRECTLY, THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS THIS WILL COME TO P AND Z FOR OUR APPROVAL AND REFERRAL TO COUNCIL.
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AND THEN COUNCIL VOTES ON THEIR OWN IN THEIR OWN MEETING.OR I MEAN, I THOSE DETAILS HAVE NOT BEEN IRONED OUT YET.
I HAVE EXPRESSED AND I THINK I THINK EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO DO IT IN A JOINT MEETING.
I'D LIKE TO PRESENT THE WHOLE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO BOTH OF YOU FOR ADOPTION AND.
YES, SIR. BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN BRIEFED ON THIS LIKE WE HAVE.
SO ARE YOU GOING TO TRY TO SCHEDULE A BRIEFING FOR THEM? I'M JUST I CAN JUST SEE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOTTEN DOWN PRETTY WELL IN THE WEEDS AND I'M JUST TRYING TO SAVE YOU A LITTLE TIME.
I MEAN, I THINK, I MEAN, I'LL TALK TO ADMINISTRATION ABOUT THAT, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO DO.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM DOING THAT.
BUT I ALSO THINK COUNCIL RELIES ON P AND Z A LOT FOR THESE TYPE OF GETTING INTO THE WEEDS.
AND, AND I, I MEAN, I THINK THEY DO.
AND SO I THINK AS LONG AS YOU'RE COMFORTABLE, I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE QUESTIONS AND I WANT THEM TO HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE THE ONES THAT ARE YOU ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING AT THIS MORE CLOSELY THAN MAYBE.
I JUST THOUGHT I'D MENTION THAT.
JUST I'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
SO, IT COULD PREVENT LEFT, RIGHT? YEAH. YOU KNOW, WE COULD COMPLETELY DIVERGE ON A PARTICULAR AREA.
AND IF THEY HAD A CHANCE TO SEE IT.
BECAUSE IF WE COULD BRING UP WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS.
THIS IS THE REASON AND THIS IS WHY WE WANTED TO DO THIS ONE.
DOESN'T THE CITY CHARTER, THOUGH, INDICATE A TWO STEP PROCESS? WELL, IT IT DOESN'T I MEAN, AS FAR AS THE TWO STEP, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO ACT AND COUNCIL IS GOING TO ACT.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TWO SEPARATE MEETINGS OKAY.
I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE CAN DO IT ALL, ONE WHACK.
I MEAN THERE WOULD STILL BE APPROVAL FROM BOTH.
ALL RIGHT. AND WE CAN DO IT AT ONE TIME THEN.
RIGHT. I DON'T SEE WHY IT WOULDN'T.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT 30 DAYS AND THEN APPROVE.
YOU'LL JUST HAVE THEM JOINTLY.
OKAY. WE WOULD VOTE YES IN THE SAME DAY WOULD BE THE SAME THING.
THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH STRUCTURE.
YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S JUST LIKE YOU COULD DO THAT WITH ZONING CHANGES IF YOU WANTED TO.
WE DON'T DO THAT MANY JOINT MEETINGS, THAT'S WHY.
THAT'S FINE. I JUST THOUGHT AND THAT'S AND I I'M TELLING YOU, THAT'S WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING.
DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
OKAY. BUT ALSO I GUESS WOULD ALSO STRUCTURALLY ALLOW US.
COMMISSIONERS TO HELP YOU PRESENT.
THIS IS WHAT WE WE DISCUSSED AT THIS IS WHAT WE CHANGED.
SURE. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S FINE.
COUNCIL SPECIFICALLY WANTED A PRESENTATION TO THIS BODY ABOUT A SUMMARY OF A WORKSHOP THAT WE HAD.
COUNCIL DIDN'T ASK FOR THAT AT THEIR MEETING.
THEY ASKED FOR IT AT Y'ALL'S MEETING.
SO. SO I THINK COUNCIL HAS SHOWN A HISTORY OF DIRECTING IT TO Y'ALL.
AND AND THEY TAKE YOUR LEAD, NOT SAY THEY CAN'T CHANGE SOMETHING.
THEY MIGHT BUT AND THAT'S FINE.
BUT I THINK IT'S I THINK THAT'S THE BENEFIT OF HAVING A JOINT MEETING.
RIGHT. THAT'S FINE. I JUST DON'T WANT TO GET NO I UNDERSTAND BOGGED DOWN AND AND YOU KNOW WHAT? IT MAY HAPPEN. I MEAN, THERE MAY BE SOMETHING COME UP THAT MAYBE NONE OF US HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT.
AND A COUNCIL MEMBER ASKED A QUESTION.
WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, WELL, LET'S PAUSE.
WE'LL TABLE THE ITEM AND WE'LL COME BACK AGAIN.
I KNEW I FELT LIKE ALL OF US WERE INTERESTED IN EXACTLY THE MECHANICS OF WHERE THIS GOES.
AND I'VE SAID MY HOPING MY GOAL IS TO GET THIS ADOPTED IN MARCH.
IT MAY NOT BE, BUT IF IT IF IT TAKES MORE TIME, THEN WE'LL PUT IN MORE TIME.
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BUT THAT'S JUST NOT WHAT WE WANT TO DO HERE.OKAY. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM? YOU HAVE ANOTHER ITEM.
WHICH, I THINK WE HAD SO MUCH FUN WITH THIS.
OH, YEAH. I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A FAIRLY QUICK UPDATE.
[UPDATE ON PLANNING PROJECTS]
OH. EXCEPT MY.WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? AND I JUST.
LET'S DO THIS AGAIN. YOU ALREADY HAD TWO ITEMS ON THERE.
YEAH. AND IF YOU WANT TO TELL ME WHAT THEY ARE.
BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE NOW, I'VE LOST MY SCREEN.
THE CO FOR ADAM'S AUTOMATICS WAS.
THANK YOU FOR THE STAFF UPDATE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING ANY ITEMS? I MEAN, FOR ALL, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERY ALL THE COMMISSIONERS.
YOU LOOK AT THIS LIST OF WHAT WE'VE DEALT WITH IN A FAIRLY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
I WAS AMAZED, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALREADY CLEARING THE LAND OVER THERE AT CENTRAL AND CHEEKSPARGER.
OH GOSH. YEAH, YEAH I WAS I SAW THAT THE OTHER DAY.
BUT REALLY JUST SINCE THE BEGINNING OF 2022, WHICH ISN'T THAT TERRIBLY LONG AGO, THAT'S A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT MOST OF THEM HAVE COME TO FRUITION AND ARE IN THEIR NORMAL PROCESS OF BEING COMPLETED.
YOU'RE GOING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, SIR.
WELL, ANYTHING ELSE? WES? NO, SIR. I HAVE NOTHING ELSE.
I WILL ENTER, ENTERTAIN THE FAMOUS MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND.
WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 7:37.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.