Nov 09, 2023 Planning &amp; Zoning Commission

EXCELLENT. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT YOUR BUSINESS AND TAILS.

COMMISSIONERS? MR. CHAIRMAN?

>> MR. [INAUDIBLE].

>> YES, SIR.

>> LET ME ASK YOU THIS, IF I MET YOU OUT, WE DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER OTHER THAN THE PAST MEETING.

IF I MET YOU OUT AND I SAID, ''WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS ARE YOU IN?" WHAT WOULD YOU SAY?

>> I AM A GUNSMITH. THAT'S AN EASY WAY OF SIMPLIFYING IT.

>> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU WOULD SAY AND WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE MAJORITY OF BUSINESS THAT YOU DO IS STRICTLY GUNSMITHING? WHEN I SAY THE MAJORITY I'M TALKING SUPER 80%, 90% OF YOUR BUSINESS IS GUNSMITHING?

>> YES, SIR.

>> AS YOU KNOW I WAS A NO VOTE AT THE LAST MEETING IF YOU RECALL AND BECAUSE UNDER OUR ORDINANCE WE DON'T HAVE A GUNSMITH DESIGNATION, WE HAVE A GUNSHOP DESIGNATION.

THAT GIVES YOU I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT,

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BUT LET'S SAY THAT YOU AND YOUR WIFE DECIDED YOUR CHILD HAS GROWN AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO TAHITI AND SOME SOUTH PACIFIC ISLAND AND SOMEBODY ELSE MOVES IN THERE AND THEY OPEN UP A FULL FLEDGED GUNSHOP.

WHICH THEY WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO BECAUSE THAT'S THE DESIGNATION.

>>FAIR ENOUGH.

>> WOULD YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM? AND THIS IS STRAIGHTFORWARD BECAUSE THIS WILL DETERMINE WHICH WAY I'LL VOTE I'M GOING TO BE REAL STRAIGHT WITH YOU.

IF THE CITY HAD A DESIGNATION AS A GUNSMITH, NOT A GUN STORE.

GUNSMITH AND THAT'S WHAT YOU DO AND THAT'S WHAT YOU TOLD ME YOU'D DO THE MAJORITY OF YOUR WORK.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD LIVE WITH?

>> I WOULD HAVE TO UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT WHAT THE STIPULATIONS UNDER A GUNSMITH WOULD BE.

AS MY BUSINESS IS GEARED TOWARDS SERVICE THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE I MAY TAKE IN OR PURCHASE A BROKEN FIREARM, REPAIR THAT FIREARM, AND MAY SELL THAT.

>> OKAY

>> SO WHILE AGAIN I DO A GOOD AMOUNT OF SERVICE THERE ARE TIMES THAT I WILL SELL PARTS.

>> AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET IS THE OPERATION THAT YOU'RE DOING AND IT IS A REAL CRAFT, SPECIALTY, IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF YOUR WORK? I'M TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THE WITHOUT SELLING GUNS AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

YOU'VE AGREED THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SELL AMMUNITION BUT YOU SEE THE POSITION THAT IT PUTS US IN BY DESIGNATING IT AS A GUNSHOP.

SO SOME FUTURE DATE LIKE I SAID YOU DECIDE YOU'RE GOING TO RETIRE AND MOVE TO TAHITI AND THEN THAT'S DESIGNATED AS A GUNSHOP.

I DID HAVE CONVERSATION AND WES CAN CERTAINLY ANSWER THIS, BUT I DID HAVE CONVERSATION WITH WES CONCERNING THIS.

I THINK THEY COULD CRAFT UP, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TONIGHT.

I'M GOING TO BE REAL HONEST WITH YOU.

IT TAKES SOME TIME BUT BASICALLY A GUNSMITH DESIGNATION THAT YOU COULD LIVE WITH.

YOU HAVE A BUILT-IN AUDIENCE.

WE RECEIVED THE LETTER FROM THE GENTLEMAN FROM THE AUCTION HOUSE AND YOU HAVE A SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP.

I CAN SEE IF I WAS YOU I'D THINK THAT'S A GOOD PLACE TO LOCATE.

I'M NOT ESPECIALLY EXPERIENCED IN WEAPONS BUT I COULD SEE REPAIRING A MUSKET FROM THE CIVIL WAR THAT THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU DO AND I THINK THAT'S A REAL GRAB.

SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT AND I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WANT TO JUMP IN ON THAT, BECAUSE I SEE YOU PROVIDE A SERVICE.

I JUST DON'T LIKE THE BROAD WIDTH OF A GUNSHOP BECAUSE OF WHAT THAT COULD BE, MAYBE NOT WITH YOU BUT IN THE FUTURE OR YOU COULD CHANGE YOUR MIND TOO BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT LEEWAY UNDER THAT GUNSHOP PARAMETER.

SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF A GUNSMITH.

I THINK YOU'RE A STRAIGHT SHOOTER, YOU HAVE AN IMPECCABLE BACKGROUND, A GOOD FAMILY AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

BUT I SEE YOU IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE AUCTION HOUSE DOING A TON OF BUSINESS.

HELPING THEM, THEY'RE HELPING YOU AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

I CAN'T SIT HERE AND TELL YOU WHAT THE DESCRIPTION OF A GUNSMITH WOULD BE.

YOU COULD TELL ME, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING AND I'M GOING TO ASK WES.

I'M SEEING I THINK HE'S NODDING, YES.

WES IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD WORK WITH?

>> IF THAT'S THE COMMISSION'S DIRECTION THEN YES, WE'D BE GLAD TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO COME UP WITH A DEFINITION.

AS YOU STATED WE CAN'T DO THAT TONIGHT.

>> I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, I'M JUST TRYING TO ASK YOU IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD LIVE WITH AND MAKE IT A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS.

BECAUSE YOU'RE THERE NEAR SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF ANTIQUE WEAPONS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

AND YOU'RE PRETTY CLOSE, I KNOW WHERE YOUR SHOP IS GOING TO BE, I'VE DRIVEN OVER THERE TO LOOK YOU KNOW THE VACANT SPACE.

SO THOSE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS ON COMING TO SOME AGREEMENT THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE.

IT WORKS FOR YOU, IT WORKS FOR THE AUCTION HOUSE, IT WORKS FOR THE CITY, IT WORKS FOR ME PERSONALLY.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GALLENSTEIN.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER HAS A QUESTION?

>> YES. FOR THE COMMISSIONERS WHO WEREN'T HERE THE OTHER NIGHT AND FOR THE AUDIENCE EXPLAIN YOUR FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSE AND THE SECURITY THAT YOU HAVE TO PUT INTO YOUR FACILITY.

>> OF COURSE. TO BEGIN WITH THERE'S DIFFERENT TIERS OF FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSES AND THOSE ARE ISSUED THROUGH THE BUREAU OF ALCOHOL TOBACCO AND FIREARMS. THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF LICENSE THAT A GUNSMITH CAN HAVE AND THAT IS A DEALER IN FIREARMS OR A MANUFACTURER OF FIREARMS. THE AFT HAS DETERMINED THAT SOME OF THE STEPS

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IN A REFINISHING PROCESS COULD BE CONSIDERED MANUFACTURING, THAT'S THE ROUTE THAT I WENT WAS FOR A MANUFACTURER'S FIREARMS LICENSE JUST TO GIVE GOOD COVERAGE THERE.

I ALSO POSSESS A SPECIAL OCCUPANCY TAX FOR NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT FIREARMS. SOME OF YOUR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL HAVE FIREARMS THAT FALL OUTSIDE OF WHAT YOU CAN GO AND BUY AT WALMART AND THAT PERMITS ME AS WELL TO WORK ON THOSE FIREARMS.

>> SO YOU COULD SERVICE WEAPONS FOR THE CITY OF BEDFORD POLICE DEPARTMENT?

>> ABSOLUTELY. AS FAR AS THE SECURITIES GO, THE SECURITY MEASURES SHOULD BE IMPOSED FOR LACK OF BETTER TERM ON ME BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

I GET REGULARLY AUDITED WHERE THEY COME IN AND THEY COUNT EVERY FIREARM IN THE SHOP AND THEY LOOK THROUGH MY BOOKS.

EVERY FIREARM THAT COMES IN GOES ON A RECORD AND EVERY FIREARM THAT GOES OUT BEFORE IT GOES OUT I CONTACT THE FBI FOR AN INSTANT BACKGROUND CHECK ON THAT PARTICULAR FIREARM, LOG THE DATE AND TIME THAT IT LEAVES THE SHOP.

SO EVERY GUN THAT COMES IN THERE IS ACCOUNTED FOR WHEN IT COMES IN, WHEN IT COMES OUT, WHERE IT CAME IN FROM, WHERE IT WENT OUT TO.

THAT'S NOT TO EVEN TOUCH ON THE PHYSICAL SECURITY THAT I CHOOSE TO MAINTAIN ON MY SHOP.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I APPRECIATE IT.

>> OF COURSE.

>> I WASN'T HERE AT THE LAST MEETING.

>> YES SIR.

>> I APOLOGIZE. DO YOU HAVE A PRIOR WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH ROCK ISLAND?

>> YES SIR, I DO.

>> SO I LISTENED TO PART OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT ROCK ISLAND DOES AND I LOOK AT WHAT YOU DO SEEMS LIKE A FAIRLY SYMBIOTIC NATURAL FIT.

I SAY THAT NOT OWNING A GUN A MYSELF AND NOT BEING A GUN ADVOCATE, BEING A BUSINESSMAN LOOKING AT LOGICAL RELATIONSHIPS OF BUSINESSES.

I THINK HAVING A GUNSMITH TO HELP SERVICE THE NEEDS OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE BUYING GUNS FROM THE AUCTION HOUSE MAKES GOOD SENSE.

>> ABSOLUTELY, SIR.

>> ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? YES [INAUDIBLE]

>> HOW DOES THIS 1,100 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY COMPARE IN SIZE AND SERVICES THAT YOU OFFER OVER YOUR PREVIOUS OPERATIONS?

>> IT IS ROUGHLY THE SAME SIZE AS AS A ONE-MAN OPERATION.

I'VE SET UP A FEW WORK BENCHES IN THERE AND THEN HAVE A SAFE SECURE AREA FOR STORAGE AND THEN PARTS.

MY LAST SHOP WAS ROUGHLY 1,400 SQUARE FEET AND VERY QUICKLY I STARTED TO ACCUMULATE THINGS I DIDN'T NEED IN THERE.

BUT IT SHOULD BE MORE THAN ENOUGH SPACE FOR ME TO TO OPERATE EFFICIENTLY.

>> COMMISSIONER JACOBSEN.

>> WELL LISTENING TO YOUR COMMENTS AND HAVING READ THE MATERIAL I HAVE NO QUALMS ABOUT THIS INDIVIDUAL AND WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE.

ESPECIALLY WITH RESPECT TO AS IT'S BEEN SAID, THE RELATIONSHIP WITH ROCK ISLAND WHICH TO ME SOUNDS LIKE A NICE RELATIONSHIP.

THE ONLY ISSUE I HAVE AND I MAY HAVE TO DEPEND ON WES FOR THE ANSWER.

IF YOU WERE TO SELL YOUR BUSINESS TO SOME OTHER BUSINESS IT WOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS A GUN SHOP UNLESS WE CHANGE IT?

>> YES SIR.

>> AND WES COULD THAT GUN SHOP IF IT WAS SO NAMED, IF IT WAS BOUGHT BY ANOTHER PERSON COULD THEY END UP SELLING HIGH-CAPACITY MAGAZINES AND AUTOMATIC WEAPONS OR SEMI-AUTOMATIC WEAPONS? I ASSUME WE CANNOT PROHIBIT SUBSEQUENT SALES.

>> CORRECT.

>> EXCUSE ME, CORRECT. THE DEFINITION OF A GUN SHOP IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE IS FAIRLY BROAD.

SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES THEY COULD SELL ANY GUN RELATED AMMUNITION ACCESSORY DEVICES THEY WANTED TO.

>> I'M IN LINE WITH ROGER THAT I FULLY SUPPORT THIS APPLICANT.

THE ONLY ISSUE I HAVE IS A SUBSEQUENT SALE TO SOMEONE ELSE.

>> ANYTHING ELSE SO THAT WE CAN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSION AS A COMMISSION IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE THAT WANTS TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM?

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>> MA'AM I NEED YOU TO COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. I'M SORRY.

[INAUDIBLE], COME UP.

[OVERLAPPING] WE DON'T HAVE ANY CANDY FOR HIM THOUGH.

>> MY NAME IS SARAH COLE. I'M ADAM'S WIFE OUR CHILDREN, EUGENE AND ELEANOR.

[LAUGHTER] I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT THAT I GUESS MY ONLY CONCERN WITH CHANGING IT TO BEING A GUNSHOT THAT I WOULD HAVE, ESPECIALLY FOR ADAM WOULD BE THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THAT WOULD TAKE.

WE MOVED IN JUNE AND HE'S BEEN TRYING TO OPEN A SHOP SINCE THEN.

AND IT'S JUST BEEN A LOT OF BUREAUCRACY THAT HAS DELAYED IT.

THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN WITH TRYING TO DELAY IT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS HOW MUCH LONGER THAT WOULD TAKE WHEN IT'S ALREADY BEEN, EVEN AT LEAST FOUR MONTHS AND I'M TRYING TO GET HIM TO BE ABLE TO OPEN, WHICH HAS CAUSED SOME SOME DIFFICULTY WITHIN OUR LIFE AND FAMILY AND STUFF.

I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IT GO THROUGH RATHER THAN WHAT HAPPENED AT THE LAST MEETING.

AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW THESE COMMISSIONERS ARE GOING TO VOTE.

I KNOW IF IT IS DESIGNATED AS A GUN SMITH STORE, THAT CAN BE WORKED OUT BETWEEN STAFF AND YOUR HUSBAND.

AS I'VE SAID, I'M A YES VOTE.

I WAS A NO VOTE BEFORE.

SURE.

SOMETIMES GOOD THINGS IN LIFE TAKE TIME [OVERLAPPING] TO LEARN.

BUT THAT'S REALLY A QUESTION THAT STAFF WOULD HAVE TO TO GIVE YOU AND THEN WORKING WITH YOUR HUSBAND.

AND THEY'LL PROBABLY BE SOME GUIDANCE FROM YOUR HUSBAND BECAUSE HE'S AN EXPERT IN GUN SMITHING.

AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED HIM WHAT IF I'D MET HIM OUT, WHAT WOULD HE SAY? WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS WAS HE AND I WAS IN TELECOMMUNICATIONS.

HE'D SAY, I WAS A GUNSMITH.

YOU HAD PREVIOUS CAREER TOO, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS NOW YOU'RE A GUNSMITH.

YOU WOULDN'T SAY I'M A GUN DEALER, YOU'D SAY YOU ARE A GUNSMITH, AND SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT.

THANK YOU.

SIX TWENTY TWO, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WES, I HAVE ONE ITEM FOR YOU TO HELP US WITH.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT AN SUP IS NOT GEOGRAPHICALLY SPECIFIC, IT'S OWNER SPECIFIC? NO.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

OR IS IT LOCATED [OVERLAPPING] AN SUP IS JUST LIKE ZONING. IT RUNS WITH THE PROPERTY.

WE WANT TO BE JUST CLEAR THAT WE'LL GET THAT OUT THERE.

BEING SAID THOSE EXACT WORDS THIS EVENING.

I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND AND CLEAR WITH THAT.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR WES TOO.

THE GIANT BUILDING NEXT DOOR, THE AUCTION HOUSE, IS THAT NOT AN SUP GUNSHOT ALREADY? THEY DID RECEIVE AN SUP.

[OVERLAPPING] THEY WERE NOT CLASSIFIED AS A GUNSHOT, THEY WERE CLASSIFIED AS AN AUCTION HOUSE BECAUSE THEY SELL MORE THAN JUST GUNS.

SO IT WAS NOT A GUNSHOT SUP, IT WAS AN AUCTION HOUSE SUP.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ANYONE? IN THE PAPERWORK, IT DOES IT DOES INDICATE FOR THE USAGE.

IT DOES SAY IN THE PAPERWORK IN OUR PACKET, IT DOES SAY GUNSMITH IN THE PROPOSED USE.

WAS THAT AN APPLICANT PIECE OF PAPER, IS THAT A STAFF PIECE OF PAPER? I'D HAVE TO LOOK. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT PIECE OF PAPER WE'RE REFERRING TO, BUT THE DEFINITION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS A GUNSHOP.

MR. HENDERSON, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING FOR ME? THAT'S IN THE SUP ITSELF REQUEST.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE APPLICANTS PAPERWORK THAT SUBMITTED THAT.

BUT OUR DEFINITION AGAIN OF A GUN SHOP IS BROAD AND INCLUDES GUN SMITHING ACTIVITIES AND SALES OF GUNS AND ACCESSORIES.

WOULD IT BE OVERKILL TO BOIL THIS DOWN TO A MUCH MORE NARROW LONG TERM FOR THE CITY TO EXPECT THAT WE WOULD NEED A GUN SMITH APPLICATION AS OPPOSED TO A GUN SHOP? THAT'S A REALLY A DECISION OF PLANNING, ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.

YOU DO RUN A RISK OF GETTING USES BEING SO SPECIFIC THAT YOU HAVE A LOT OF LISTED USES UNDER THERE.

BUT IF THAT'S THE WILL OF COUNCIL AND THE COMMISSION THEN STAFF CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

THANK YOU.

I GOT ONE MORE. OTHER QUESTION, COULD THERE BE A STIPULATION THAT I GUESS, SINCE YOU SAID IT'S GEOGRAPHICAL, IF WE KNOW THAT ADAM'S MOVING OUT AND THEY COME BACK TO THE [INAUDIBLE] VOTE TO SWITCH IT TO SOMETHING ELSE OR DO WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL SOMEBODY ELSE ASKED FOR [INAUDIBLE]? I'M GOING TO LET THE ATTORNEY TELL ME I'M WRONG HERE, BUT I BELIEVE YOU CAN'T CONDITION IT ON OWNERSHIP.

WITHOUT AN OWNERSHIP WE JUST KNOW ADAM'S GOING TO MOVE AND WE GO,

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OH, YEAH, WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THE ZONING OVER THERE RIGHT NOW.

I'M NOT SURE HOW WE WOULD KNOW THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN UNLESS HE JUST VOLUNTEERED THAT.

THEY'VE DONE [INAUDIBLE].

WELL, WHAT THAT STATEMENT THEN I DON'T MEAN TO ASK QUESTION FOR THE COMMISSION, BUT I THINK THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE STRUGGLING WITH.

COULD THEY ADD A CONDITION THAT THIS IS ONLY FOR GUN SMITH ACTIVITIES AND NO SALE OF FIREARMS? YES.

THAT MAY HELP THE COMMISSION SOMETHING.

PERSONAL COMMENT, THANK YOU, WES.

PERSONAL COMMENT FOR ME IS THAT WE'VE GOT AN APPLICANT HERE THAT FITS INTO SOME NEW BUSINESS THAT'S GOING TO BE IN BEDFORD.

I WOULD HATE TO SEE ANY BUSINESS BE HAMSTRUNG AGAINST A LOGICAL PROGRESSION OF THEIR BUSINESS THAT DOESN'T FALL VERY FAR OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE.

I THOUGHT THE APPLICANTS EXAMPLE OF BUYING A BROKEN FIREARM AND REPAIRING IT INTO SUCH A STATE THAT IT COULD BE SOLD.

THAT WAS A LOGICAL PROGRESSION OF WHAT HE DOES AT AN EXPERT LEVEL.

I'D HATE TO SEE A FAIRLY NARROW RESTRICTION ON HE COULD NEVER SELL SOMETHING HE FIXED.

SOMETHING THAT'S INHERITED, SOMETHING THAT'S EVEN BOUGHT FROM AN ESTATE OR WHATEVER, SOMEBODY BRING IT TO YOU AND SAY, MY GRANDPA'S GUN IS BROKEN AND MY GRANDKIDS CAN'T USE IT OR WE DON'T WANT IT, BUT IT DOESN'T WORK.

AND HE WOULD BUY IT AND FIX IT AND PUT IT BACK INTO MARKET.

I HATE TO SEE THAT NARROW RESTRICTION, WHICH IS LOGICAL PROGRESSION OF THE WORK THAT HE NATURALLY DOES AS A SCOPE.

SO I DON T THINK THAT THE TAPPING INTO THIS HAVING A GUN SHOP DESIGNATION AND TRYING TO NARROW IT ANY FURTHER.

DOESN'T REALLY BENEFIT THE CITY.

I DON T THINK IT'S A USE IT'S NOT CONTIGUOUS FOR THAT PART OF TOWN.

I GUESS THAT. ANY MORE QUESTION? JUST MY PERSONAL COMMENT.

WHAT PERCENTAGE OF YOUR BUSINESS IS RE-SELLING OF FIREARMS? I WOULD SAY 20% OR LESS, SIR.

SO YOU'RE NOT A RETAIL FIREARM STORE.

AND I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT.

IF I MAY DECORATE ON THAT A LITTLE MORE, SOMETIMES IT EVEN GOES SO FAR AS WHERE I HAVE WORK ORDERS, GET DROPPED OFF AND ABANDONED.

SOMETIMES I WILL HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS SURRENDER FIREARMS FROM FAMILY ESTATES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE THEY WILL SURRENDER THOSE FIREARMS. IF THEY ARE LEGAL FIREARMS THAT CAN BE SERVICEABLE AND LEGALLY SOLD, THEY WILL DO SO.

SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT AND THEY ARE SIMPLY REPORTED DESTROYED AND USED FOR PARTS.

>> QUALIFIER IN THERE.

>> GOOD. THANK YOU.

>> IN TERMS OF USAGE OF BUSINESS [BACKGROUND].

>> THERE WE GO. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT WHEN YOU'RE WRITING CONDITIONS ON ISSUANCE OF AN SUP, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY WRITING A LITTLE BITTY PIECE OF THE ZONING FOR THIS PARTICULAR USE AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.

YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SPECIFIC ENOUGH AND IT'S NOT VAGUE SUCH THAT THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OR WHOEVER IS ENFORCING IT LATER CAN ENFORCE IT THAT IT'S SPECIFIC AND THERE'S NO CONFUSION.

>> LET ME JUST SAY SOMETHING, I WAS TOLD THE OPPOSITE AT AN EARLIER MEETING.

WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES AND I'M GOING TO RELY ON YOU AS THE ATTORNEY.

WE WERE TOLD BASICALLY THAT YOU COULD NOT BECAUSE I HAD ASKED THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION.

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COULD WE EXCLUDE THE GUNSMITH? I WAS TOLD NO UNDER THE GUNSHOP DESIGNATION.

BUT YOU'RE TELLING ME DIFFERENT AND YOU'RE THE GENTLEMAN WITH THE LEGAL DEGREE.

IF THAT'S THE CASE, AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YES, WE ARE LIMITED, BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE THE STICKING POINT.

I'M SORRY, YOU SEEMED LIKE YOU WAS GOING TO SAY SOMETHING.

>> I BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THERE WAS A PREEMPTION PROVISION UNDER TEXAS LAW THAT SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T ESSENTIALLY LIMIT THE SALE OF GUNS.

BUT IF WE'RE TO LIMIT IT TO ESSENTIALLY SALE OF REFURBISHED FIREARMS, THERE'S AN ARGUMENT THAT THAT PREEMPTION PROVISION WOULDN'T APPLY.

>> YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT WOULD WORK? I'M SORRY, YOU FADED OUT.

>> I BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD WORK ARGUABLY, YES.

>> BELIEVE OR YOU KNOW? [LAUGHTER]

>> I BELIEVE THERE'S NOT A TEXAS SUPREME COURT CASE ON THIS.

>> COMMISSIONERS IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THIS ITEM.

>> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE SUP-23-15.

>> I'LL SECOND THAT.

>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND.

>> HOW MANY IS THAT? TERRY YOU'RE NOT VOTING.

>> YOU CAN'T VOTE.

>> YOU'RE NOT VOTING.

>> ALL RIGHT [INAUDIBLE].

>> 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED?

>> ONE.

>> 6-1, MOTION PASSES.

PROCEED ON TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR APPROVAL.

ITEM NUMBER 2, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO

[3. Conduct a public hearing and consider making a recommendation to City Council regarding a rezoning of the property described as Lot A, Block 17R Stonegate Addition-Bedford from Heavy Commercial to Heavy Commercial/Specific Use Permit-Car Wash Establishment and the property is generally located at on the southeast corner of Old Kirk Road and Brown Trail, commonly known as 1428 Brown Trail. (SUP-23-20)]

CITY COUNCIL REGARDING REZONING OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT LOT A, BLOCK 17R STONEGATE ADDITION-BEDFORD FROM HEAVY COMMERCIAL TO HEAVY COMMERCIAL/SPECIFIC USE PERMIT CAR WASH ESTABLISHMENT.

THIS IS AT 1428, BROWN TRAIL, CASE SUP-23-20. STAFF?

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONER, MEMBERS.

THIS IS A ANOTHER SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A CAR WASH.

CAR WASH IS WITHIN THE HEAVY COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT DO REQUIRE AN APPROVED SUP.

PROPERTY. AGAIN, LOCATED OLD KIRK ROAD, BROWN TRAIL, JUST SOUTH OF AIRPORT FREEWAY.

PROPERTY WAS DEVELOPED AS A PARKING LOT FOR AN ADJACENT AUTO SALES COMPLEX BACK IN 2015.

CURRENTLY IT'S VACANT COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT, AND AGAIN THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO AN AUTOMATIC CAR WASH WHICH DOES REQUIRE THE SUP.

AS YOU-ALL KNOW SUPS REQUIRE A SITE PLAN BE ADOPTED WITH THE ORDINANCE.

THE APPLICANTS PROVIDES A SITE PLAN.

SHOWS PRIMARILY THE ONLY ACCESS TO THE SITE BEING OFF OF OLD KIRK ROAD.

THEN CIRCLING THROUGH THERE'S THREE BAYS OR THREE DRIVE-THROUGH BAYS THEN IT CONDENSES DOWN INTO ONE GOES THROUGH THE CAR WASH AND THEN THERE ARE AUTOMATIC OR THERE ARE INDUSTRIAL SIZE VACUUM CLEANERS.

THE APPLICANT CAN YOU SPEAK MORE DETAIL TOO APPLICANTS PROVIDED ELEVATIONS.

ELEVATIONS ARE MASONRY ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING.

SURROUNDING LAND USES, THERE'S AN OFFICE BUILDING TO THE NORTH WITH PREDOMINANTLY AUTO-DRIVEN USES, DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANTS AND THEN RETAIL CENTER TO THE SOUTH.

SITE PHOTOS. I THINK EVERYBODY IS FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.

BUT AGAIN, JUST FOR PUBLIC RECORDS, SITE PHOTOS OF THE SITE.

THE SITE CURRENTLY DOES HAVE LANDSCAPING ALONG BOTH BROWN TRAIL AND OLD KIRK ROAD.

THERE'S A 6-8 FOOT FENCE DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE STANDING.

MASONRY WALL TO SCREEN THE RESIDENTIAL TO THE WEST.

WE PUT A SIGN OUT ON THE PROPERTY, NOTIFIED 25 ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS.

AS THIS TIME STAFFS RECEIVED NO RESPONSE IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THE REQUEST.

TONIGHT YOU'LL DO YOUR PUBLIC HEARING.

YOU'LL EITHER RECOMMEND APPROVE, RECOMMEND APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, TABLE OR RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE REQUEST.

I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

>> I UNDERSTAND IN THE PROPOSAL THAT IN STATS REVIEW, THE LANDSCAPING MEETS QUALIFICATIONS AND THE RETAINING WALL AND BLOCKING WALL, THOSE ARE ALL GOING TO BE REMAIN [OVERLAPPING] CONTAINED IN THE NEW DEVELOPMENT FLAT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING BASICALLY THE FLAT SURFACE OF THE PARKING LOT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT HERE?

>>DID YOU SAY YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM SURROUNDING PROPERTY?

>> AS OF TODAY, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING.

I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER GALLENSTEIN AND MAYBE ONE OTHER COMMISSIONER RECEIVED AN EMAIL, BUT I HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING.

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>> IS THE APPLICANT HERE, SIR?

>> APPLICANT IS HERE AND I DO KNOW THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION TO GIVE YOU AS WELL.

>> BE PERFECT.

>> WELCOME. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.

WELCOME TO OUR MEETING. [NOISE]

>> HI, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

MY NAME IS ALLIE SANDOVAL.

MY ADDRESS IS 1000 EAST ASH LANE, EULESS, TEXAS, RIGHT UP THE ROAD.

GREAT. THANK YOU. THIS IS FORWARD.

I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE Q CAR WASH DEVELOPMENT AT 1428 BROWN TRAIL.

WE'RE A BRAND DEDICATED TO PROVIDING QUALITY AND EASE WITH CONSTRUCTING AND OPERATING 14 SUCCESSFUL CAR WASH LOCATIONS ALL OVER THE DFW AREA.

WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH ALL OF YOU AND PRESENT OUR CASE.

WE DO NOT CUT ANY CORNERS WHEN IT COMES TO PROVIDING THE BEST QUALITY TO OUR GUESTS.

WE USE ONLY THE BEST LANDSCAPING AND FACILITIES.

OUR OUTSTANDING VALUE COMES FROM OUR EXPERIENCE AS OPERATORS AND PROVIDING THE BEST VALUE WE CAN WITH OUR MEMBERSHIPS AND FAMILY PLANS.

WE TAKE PRIDE IN USING ALL MADE IN AMERICA EQUIPMENT AT ALL OF OUR CAR WASH LOCATIONS.

OUR QUALITY SPEAKS FOR ITSELF THROUGH OUR GOOGLE REVIEW RATINGS WITH NONE OF THEM BEING LESS THAN 4.5 DIRECTLY FROM OUR CUSTOMERS.

WE AIM TO BE MORE THAN JUST A CAR WASH. WE WANT TO CREATE AN OVERALL STELLAR EXPERIENCE.

ONE WAY WE DO THAT IS BY ADDING AMENITIES FOR ALL OF OUR CUSTOMERS FOR FREE.

YOU CAN FIND MICROFIBER TOWELS, HIGH PRESSURE DETAILING AIR AND WINDOW CLEANER AT EVERY VACUUM STATION WE OFFER.

AS WELL, FREE MAT CLEANERS TO ALL CUSTOMERS.

BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF SUCH A VALUABLE RESOURCE LIKE WATER IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO US.

WE GO ABOVE INDUSTRY STANDARDS AND WE RECYCLE 75% OF THE WATER USED ON EVERY CAR WASH. WE CAPTURE THE WATER USED THROUGH CRATES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE CAR WASH.

IT GOES THROUGH A THREE-STEP CLEANING PROCESS AND IS RE-USED FOR THE NEXT CAR WASHES.

ADDITIONALLY, WE'VE CREATED AND INSTALLED METERS TO TRACK EACH GALLON USED PER CAR WASH.

THIS SYSTEM SENDS US ALERTS TO OUR PHONE FOR ANY ABNORMAL OR OVER WATER USAGES.

IT ALSO HELPS US REDUCE OUR OVERALL WATER CONSUMPTION.

IF APPROVED, WE WOULD LIKE TO CREATE 15 FULL-TIME JOBS THAT INCLUDE BENEFITS.

ALSO AS A SMALL TOKEN OF APPRECIATION, WE ALWAYS OFFER FREE CAR WASHES TO ALL OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND EMERGENCY PERSONNEL VEHICLES.

THIS IS MY FAVORITE PART OF MY JOB, GOING OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND BEING A GOOD SUPPORT SYSTEM.

LAST YEAR OUR CAR WASH BRAND WAS ABLE TO DONATE OVER $70,000 TO FIRST RESPONDERS, OUTREACH CENTERS, AND YOUTH PROGRAMS. THE PICTURE OF THE LITTLE GIRLS IS PART OF THE FUNDRAISER OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE.

THEY RAISED $3,000 IN THREE HOURS HAVING A SAFE AND EASY CAR WASH FACILITY FOR THEM, FOR THEIR BASKETBALL TOURNAMENT TO FLORIDA.

AS WELL AS MONETARY DONATIONS LIKE YOU SEE AT THE PICTURES AT THE BOTTOM.

WE DONATE OUR TIME TO PLACES LIKE MEALS-ON-WHEELS OF TARRANT COUNTY.

EACH QUARTER IT'S AN HONOR AND A PRIVILEGE TO SCHEDULE THESE OUTINGS AND IT HELPS US KNOW ALL THE BACK-END WORK THAT TAKES ONE OF THESE FACILITIES TO BE SUCCESSFUL.

THIS IS A REPRESENTATION THAT SHOWS STANDARD AND QUALITY HAS GONE UP ON ALL FRONTS OVER TIME.

AS CONSUMERS, WE USED TO BE OKAY WITH PAYING 50 CENTS FOR A CHEAP CUP OF COFFEE.

THAT'S NOT THE CASE ANYMORE.

A LOT OF US KNOW OUR FAVORITE STARBUCKS ORDERS OR DUNKIN DONUTS ORDERS BY MEMORY AND OUR PUMPKIN SPICE GROUND DAY MATCHA LATTE.

OLD 7-ELEVEN HAD DIRTY BATHROOMS AND VERY POOR EXPERIENCE.

THAT USED TO BE THE NORMAL.

THANKS TO PLACES LIKE CUTESY, THAT IS NOT THE CASE ANYMORE.

IN THE OLD DAYS.

GETTING OUT OF YOUR CAR AND HAND WASHING YOUR VEHICLE AND THE INCONVENIENCE OF INCEST FACILITIES IS A THING OF THE PAST.

WE OFFER CLEAN RESTROOMS, GREAT FACILITIES WITH ALWAYS AT LEAST THREE PEOPLES ON SHIFT.

FAST AND EASY EXPERIENCE THAT ALIGNS WITH TODAY'S CONSUMER CULTURE.

[NOISE] FOR MOST OF US, OUR VEHICLES ARE OUR SECOND BIGGEST INVESTMENT.

WE MAKE SURE TO TAKE CARE OF IT BY USING THE TOP OF THE LINE EQUIPMENT AND FACILITIES.

GOING BACK TO QUALITY, YOU CAN SEE THE MODERN, ATTRACTIVE AND TOP-OF-THE-LINE MATERIALS WE USE AT EACH SITE WE BUILD.

THAT'S THE END OF MY PART. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

SOMEBODY IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION AND MORE DETAILS ON THAT.

>> THANK YOU, ALLIE. MY NAME IS SAMIRA MUHAMMAD, I LIVE AT 310 SOUTH INDUSTRIAL BOULEVARD, ULYSSES, TEXAS.

>> THANKS.

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I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR Q-CAR WASHES ALL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.

JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SUBMITTED THE SITE PLAN.

WE HAVE GONE THROUGH A DRC MEETING AND WE HAVE ADDRESSED AT ALL THE COMMENTS AS PER THE FIRE MARSHAL AND HEAD OF PLANNING.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, WE HAVE ENTRANCE COMING IN FROM ORCA ROAD.

WE HAVE THREE BASE STATION LANES SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TO STACK 30 CARS AT A TIME.

WE HAVE CAR WASH BUILDING WHICH HAS TUNNEL AND EQUIPMENT ROOM, LESS THAN 6,000 SQUARE FEET.

WE HAVE TWO VACUUM BASE APPROXIMATELY 26 VACUUM STALLS, AS ALLIE HAVE MENTIONED, THAT WE STRIVE TO MAKE OUR BUILDINGS ATTRACTIVE.

WE USE HIGH-END FINISHES, WHICH WITH A COMBINATION OF NATURAL STONE, BRICK, STUCCO, METAL FINISHES, ETC.

SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC.

THIS PARTICULAR LOT IS ZONE AS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.

THE TYPE OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE CLASSIFIED UNDER THIS ZONING ORDINANCE IS A CAR WASH OBVIOUSLY, AND A DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANTS.

A DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANTS, WE NEED TO BUILD ON THIS LAND.

IF WE DON'T BUILD, THEN THERE WILL BE A DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT THAT WILL COME IN, WHICH WE'LL HAVE PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC, PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC DURING BREAKFAST PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC DURING LUNCH, PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC DURING DINNER BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE WITH AN EXPRESS CAR WASH AS THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC IS STEADY.

IN ADDITION TO THIS, WE HAVE 30 CAR STACKING SPACE TO PREVENT OVERFLOW OF THE TRAFFIC ONTO OLD KIRK ROAD AND RAVENSWOOD DRIVE.

AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE VICINITY MAP, THERE ARE THREE EXISTING DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANTS RIGHT THERE AND IF WE PUT ANOTHER DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANTS THERE, THE TRAFFIC WILL OVERFLOW ONTO OLD KIRK AND RAVENSWOOD DRIVE AND THAT WILL CAUSE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM.

ALSO OUR ENTRANCE, IF YOU SEE IT'S ALONG OLD KIRK ROAD FROM THE BACK WHICH DOES NOT CREATE ANY PROBLEM OF TRAFFIC TO THE CITY.

THERE MIGHT BE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT NOISE, AS ALLIE HAVE MENTIONED, THAT WE STRIVE TO USE HIGH-END EQUIPMENT.

OUR BLOWERS, WHICH ARE THE NOISIEST PART OF OUR CAR WASHED EQUIPMENT, HAVE SILENCERS ON THEM, WHICH MAKES THEM 10 TIMES QUIETER THAN A TYPICAL BLOWER.

OUR CAR WASHES OR LESS NOISIER THAN A MOVING CAR.

JUST SO YOU KNOW, OUR HOURS OF OPERATIONS, WE CLOSE BY 8:00 PM ON WEEKDAYS AND 7:00 PM ON SUNDAYS SO THERE WILL BE NO NOISE CONCERN AT NIGHT.

WE CHAIN UP OUR PROPERTIES SO T HAT DON'T ACCESS IS PROVIDED TO SOMEBODY ELSE WHEN WE'RE NOT THERE.

JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THERE IS AN EXISTING SCREEN WALL AND LANDSCAPING AS WES HAS MENTIONED, WE PLAN TO PRESERVE THAT.

WE DO NOT PLAN TO DEMOLISH THAT WALL AND LANDSCAPING, WHICH WILL ACT AS A SOUND BARRIER TO THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS.

WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

IF THIS DOESN'T SATISFY THE REQUIREMENT OF SOUND BARRIER, WE PLAN TO CREATE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING BUFFER BY PLANTING THICK CYPRUS TREES ON EITHER SIDE OF THE WALL, WHICH WILL ADD TWO ADDITIONAL LAYERS OF SOUND BARRIER.

THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE IN RELATION TO CONSTRUCTION AND SHE CAN ANSWER.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, ANY BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING?

>> I WAS OVER AT THE SITE TODAY LOOKING AT IT, BECAUSE THE EXISTING LANDSCAPING IS VERY NICE, THAT'S THERE SO I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE PLANNING ON KEEPING ALL OF THAT, AM I CORRECT?

>> YES, SIR. WE PLAN TO KEEP THE EXISTING LANDSCAPING IF AT ALL WE NEED TO PROVIDE ANY LITTLE UPGRADES, WE CAN PROVIDE OPERATIONAL LANDSCAPING.

>> WHAT YOU SAID IN ADDING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING WOULD BE ON THAT SIDE, LET'S SAY BY IT WAS RAVENSWOOD, YOU WOULD BE DOING BALD CYPRUS IN THERE AS ANOTHER LAYER AND A HIGHER LAYER?

>> THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSION WANTS.

WE PLAN TO ADD ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.

>> DO YOU SEE A LOT OF TRAFFIC BACKED UP ON RAVENSWOOD OR DO YOU SEE IT FLOWING THROUGH PRETTY QUICKLY? YOU TELL ME.

>> IT WILL FLOW PRETTY QUICKLY, BECAUSE IT'S AN EXPRESS CAR WASH AND WE GOT ENOUGH STACKING WITHIN OUR PROPERTY.

>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS FOR THE APPLICANT FOR WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING?

>> THANK YOU, FOLKS.

>> I'M SORRY. WE DO HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTER.

>> THANK YOU. [NOISE]

HE'S ONE OF OUR DISTRIBUTORS FOR ALL OIL BAR EQUIPMENT.

[00:45:05]

>> WELL, BY ALL MEANS COME FORWARD, SIR.

>> I'M SO SORRY.

>> THAT'S ALL RIGHT. YOU SPENT BACK THERE TAP DANCING.

>> MY NAME IS JIMMY WILLIAMS. I LIVE 2410 PAIN STREET, WICHITA FALLS, TEXAS.

MY ACCOMPANIES SIENESE CAR WASH SERVICES OF TEXAS ARE BASED IN RICHARDSON, TEXAS ARE REGIONAL DISTRIBUTION CENTER.

I'M THE FACTOR REP THAT WORKS WITH CUSTOMERS LIKE Q DEVELOPMENT TO DEVELOP CAR WASHES AND ONE OF OUR CHALLENGES AS A COMPANY IS TO HELP OUR CLIENTS IDENTIFY SITES THAT MEET THE NEEDS AS A PROFITABLE CAR WASH, BUT ALSO SERVE WHAT THE OVERALL GOAL FOR THE CAR WASH BUSINESS.

JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, HOW MANY OF YOU WASHED YOUR CAR IN THE LAST MONTH? [LAUGHTER] HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE WASHED IT BY HAND IN THE LAST MONTH OR IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS? [NOISE] WELL, GOOD FOR YOU, SO GOOD BUT THE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY IS DRAMATICALLY GROWN, SO THE INDUSTRY IS GROWING BECAUSE OF CUSTOMERS CHANGES.

JUST LIKE WHEN WE ALL GREW UP, EATING OUT WAS A RARE FUNCTION.

THE CAR WATCH INDUSTRY TODAY, ABOUT 20% OF VEHICLE OWNERS WATCH THEIR CAR MORE THAN ONCE A MONTH.

THAT IS A CONTINUED TREND, 15 YEARS AGO, 10% OF VEHICLE OWNERS WASH THEIR CAR ONCE A MONTH.

THE REASON FOR THAT IS DRIVEN BY THE CHANGE OF HABITS FOR VEHICLE OWNERS AND ALSO HAVING FACILITIES AVAILABLE WHERE PEOPLE TAKE CARE OF THE CARS.

ONE OF OUR GOALS IS TO HELP OUR CUSTOMERS BE RESPONSIBLE CITIZENS, BUT ALSO HELP IN THE AREAS THAT THEY DEVELOP, AREAS THAT SERVE THEIR NEEDS.

WE LOOK AT SOUND AS A VERY IMPORTANT THING BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING MANY OF OUR CAR WASHES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO BUSINESSES AND ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

THAT'S A VERY COMMON THING.

WE WANT TO BE WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE.

THEY ALSO WANT TO BE WHERE THE TRAFFIC IS, BUT THEY WANT TO BE IN THE TRAFFIC WHERE CUSTOMERS MAKE IT EASY TO GET IN AND OUT OF A PROPERTY SO I THINK THAT YOU'VE SEEN BY SMEARS SITE DEVELOPMENT LOCATION, THERE REALLY WILL NEVER BE STACKING ON THE STREET, ALL THE STACKING IS REALLY ON THE PROPERTY, THAT'S WHY THE INVESTMENT FOR THE SPACE TO MAKE THOSE FLOW AREAS.

TECHNICALLY, REALLY, MY PURPOSE TO COME UP HERE IS REALLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DEMOGRAPHICS.

IT OBVIOUSLY FITS ALL THE CRITERIA THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND FOR A GOOD SITE FOR A CAR WASH IN TERMS OF FLOW, ON AND OFF.

WE WORK WITH THEM ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY BUT WE ALSO LOOK AT IT FROM AN EQUIPMENT STANDPOINT.

SOME OF YOU MAY BE ASKING ABOUT THE PROCESS ITSELF, THE AVERAGE VISIT TO A CAR WASH IS LESS THAN 10 MINUTES.

THE CAR WASH TAKES ON AN AVERAGE THREE MINUTES FROM THE TIME THEY PUT IT IN THE PAY STATION LINKS TILL THEY GET TO THE TUNNEL, AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL TIME IS IF THEY TAKE THE TIME OUT TO VACUUM OF THEIR CAR AND THAT HAPPENS ABOUT 50% OF THE TIME.

THE TIME ON AND OFF THE PROPERTY IS VERY QUICK.

THE PROCESS IS REALLY AN ADDED BENEFIT.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE MOST EXCITED ABOUT IS WE WORK WITH OUR CLIENTS TO DEVELOP TECHNOLOGY THAT REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF WATER WASTE.

THE TYPICAL RETAIL CAR WASH SEES ABOUT 70 GALLONS PER CAR, ABOUT 60 GALLONS PER CAR WITH A RECLAIM SYSTEM GOING DOWN THE DRAIN.

WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM ON DEVELOPING A VERY EFFICIENT SYSTEM, A WATER SYSTEM.

WE'RE ONLY ABOUT EIGHT GALLONS PER MINUTE WOULD GO DOWN THE DRAIN.

WE'VE REDUCED THAT BY ABOUT 70%-80%.

WE TRIED TO HELP THEM BE RESPONSIBLE FROM AN EQUIPMENT STANDPOINT, FROM A TECHNOLOGY STANDPOINT, FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, ON TOP OF THAT, THE DEMAND FOR CUSTOMERS AND VEHICLE OWNERS IN YOUR AREA IS HIGH.

BECAUSE IF THE AVERAGE HOUSE HAS ABOUT TWO CARS PER HOUSE SO THE PERCENTAGE OF VEHICLES THAT ARE GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE TO GET THEIR CAR WASHED SHOULD BE IN THEIR OWN BACKYARD.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE THAT INFORMATION.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> IT'S 6:49. NOW, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE AND WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS BESIDE HIM, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> HELLO. I'M STEPHANIE GREENE.

I LIVE AT 1828 RAVENSWOOD DRIVE BEDFORD, TEXAS.

I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO SAY THAT THE SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT WE JUST SAW, THAT IS MY HOUSE THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE GREEN SPACE.

MY NEIGHBOR AT 1836 AND MYSELF, OUR HOUSE WOULD BE THE TWO VERY VISIBLY AFFECTED BY THIS, NOT COUNTING THE CUL DE SAC SO A COUPLE OF POINTS I WOULD MAKE WHY OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, MANY PEOPLE ON OUR STREETS OVER ARE OPPOSED TO THIS.

[00:50:02]

BEDFORD HAS SEVEN CAR WASHES WITHIN A TWO-MILE RADIUS OF THE PROPOSED NEW CAR WASH. WE HAVE THREE THAT ARE WITHIN A MILE RADIUS OF THE NEW PROPOSED CAR WASH. WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER CAR WASH.

WITHOUT SAYING ANYMORE, THEY'RE NOT CHANGING THE LANDSCAPE IS GREAT BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THAT THE GREEN SPACE DESERVES TO STILL BE THERE.

THE WALL, THE ONLY ENTRANCE FOR THE CAR WASH WILL BE ON OLD KIRK.

OLD KIRK IS A CUT-THROUGH FROM ROUND TRAIL TO BEDFORD ROAD.

YOU HAVE TONS OF PEOPLE THAT GO THROUGH THEIR DAILY, THAT ARE GOING TO PICK UP THEIR KIDS AT SCHOOL.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING FROM THE APARTMENTS AROUND THE CORNER FROM THE HOUSES RIGHT THERE.

THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC WITHOUT THE CAR WASH BEING THERE.

THAT'S WHERE THE ENTRANCE FOR THE EXIT AND ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY WILL BE, YOU HAVE A LOT OF KIDDOS THAT WALK FROM STONE GATE TO THE TENNIS DRIVE APARTMENTS EVERY DAY TO SCHOOL THAT WAY, YOU'VE GOT KIDDOS WALKING FROM BELL BACK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, MORE CARS IN AND OUT.

OF COURSE, WE WOULD NEVER WANT THE WALL DESTROYED ON THE BROWN TRAILSIDE.

BUT THE FACT THAT IT'S GOING TO BE THE ENTRANCE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SIDE IS WHAT'S CONCERNING.

THE CONSTRUCTION THAT THE NOISE WILL CREATE FOR THE BUILDING OF IT AND THE INITIAL NOISE THAT THE CAR WASH WILL CREATE IS WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT WANT.

THE DRYERS, I UNDERSTAND, THEY SAY THAT THEY'RE QUIET.

THEY'RE NOT QUIET THERE ARE CAR WASH DRYERS.

THE CARS GOING THROUGH THE SYSTEM DAILY.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT TIME THEY OPEN, BUT THAT IS DEFINITELY NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO WAKE UP TO EVERY MORNING AND THEN TILL 7, 8 O'CLOCK EVERY NIGHT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S JUST DISHEARTENING BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT IN THAT SPACE IN BEDFORD, THE SOUTH SIDE OF BEDFORD, DOES NEED A LOT OF REIDENTIFICATION.

THERE'S A LOT OF OPEN REAL ESTATE AND I AGREE THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE PROCESSES THAT HELP DEVELOP THAT.

THAT IS JUST NOT AN APPROPRIATE BUSINESS FOR THAT SPACE IN OUR MINDS.

LIKE I SAID, WE JUST DON'T WANT THAT RIGHT THERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE NOISE, THE TRAFFIC, AND WHAT IT WILL BRING WITH IT.

I'M GOING TO BE VERY BLUNT.

THERE IS NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE EVER GOING TO SAY, THANK GOD, THEY PUT THAT CAR WASHING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IT'S JUST ADDED SO MUCH.

THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'LL ADD TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S WHY WE ARE OPPOSED TO IT.

>> THANK YOU, MS. GREEN. APPRECIATED.

>> THANK YOU

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, SINCE MS. GREEN SENT TWO OF US AN EMAIL LATE THIS AFTERNOON THAT WE GOT MYSELF AND MR. JACOBSEN.

MY COPY IS SAME PLACE DOWN AT THE END.

BUT LET ME ASK YOU BECAUSE YOU RAISED A NUMBER OF ISSUES, SOME OF THEM.

>> THAT YOU'VE RAISED HERE, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THE APPLICANT CAN DO THAT WOULD IMPROVE THE SITUATION FOR YOU AND YOUR NEIGHBORS?

>> BECAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE TO OUR HOUSES, IF IT WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BROWN TRAIL BY THE WAFFLE HOUSE, BY THE DRIVE TIME, ANY OF THOSE PLACES, IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE.

THE FACT THAT IT'S LESS THAN 50 FEET FROM MY FRONT DOOR AND OUR OTHER FRONT DOORS RIGHT THERE SO NO, THERE REALLY ISN'T ANYTHING.

A COUPLE OF TREES IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE SOUND BARRIER.

A COUPLE OF TREES ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE THE TRAFFIC.

>> IF I COULD ASK WES A QUESTION BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT.

MS. GREEN BROUGHT THIS UP.

WE ALL KNOW THAT WE WANT TO RENOVATE THE SOUTH SIDE OF BEDFORD, I'VE HEARD IT FROM MILLION PEOPLE.

WE DON'T HAVE THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DEVELOPED YET, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON IT.

DO YOU SEE THIS AS WHAT MIGHT BE PROPOSED GOING FORWARD OF THIS BEING IN THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WOULD THIS BE A GOOD FIT? I KNOW I'M ASKING YOU IF SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS ARE ABOUT.

MS. GREEN ADDRESSED THAT IN HER EMAIL, I'M SORRY THAT ONLY TWO OF US GOT IT.

>> I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT TOO.

I SHOULD HAVE SENT THAT TO WES SO IT COULD HAVE BEEN SENT OUT.

>> MY COPY IS DOWN THE TABLE SOMEPLACE.

>> I GUESS WES YOU'RE THE PRO ON THIS AND YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THIS IS AN ENTRYWAY, BROWN TRAIL INTO SOUTH BEDFORD NOW IT'S NOT RIGHT ON THE CORNER BUT IT'S DOWN AWAY.

>> SURE. IT'S VERY OPEN QUESTION YOU'VE ASKED ME.

COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A GOAL OF WHAT YOU WANT THE CITY TO GROW INTO.

THE ONE ASPECT OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE FOCUSED ON AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT MORE AT OUR NEXT MEETING IS OUR DISTRICTS AND WE DO SEE FROM CONSULTANTS STANDPOINT, FROM STAFF, AND FROM OUR PUBLIC INPUT THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED.

WE SEE A LOT OF INPUT AND A LOT OF EXCITEMENT ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING, WHAT COULD HAPPEN AT THE INTERSECTION OF BEDFORD ROAD IN BROWN TRAIL.

WE SEE OBVIOUSLY COMING IN FROM 183, THIS IS AN ENTRYWAY INTO THAT AREA.

[00:55:02]

WOULD A CAR WASH BE THE IDEAL USE BASED ON THOSE USES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY NOT? THAT BEING SAID, YOU CAN LOOK AT THESE APPLICATIONS TWO DIFFERENT WAYS SO I'M GOING TO ROD THE FENCE ON THIS.

YOU CAN LOOK AT IT FROM WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE OR YOU CAN PUT ON YOUR LONG-TERM THINKING HAT WHICH PLANNING IS SUPPOSED TO DO.

YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO USE BOTH OF THEM AND YOU CAN LOOK AT WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE THERE AND THAT'S WHY THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

THAT'S ONE OF THE SETS UP, IT GOES THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

IT GOES THROUGH CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE IT LOOKS AT WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT, WHAT'S EXISTING OR WHAT WE WANT TO GO THERE IN THE LONG RUN.

I KNOW I'M GIVING YOU A VERY ROUNDABOUT ANSWER, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT ALL THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS TYPE OF APPLICATION.

>> DO WE KNOW WHY THE APPLICANT CHOSE THAT PARTICULAR, THEY DIDN'T SAY OR I DON'T RECALL THEM SAYING THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.

THEY LOOK LIKE A VERY FINE BUSINESS, BUT THEY CHOSE THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.

DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHY?

>> I DON'T KNOW. I BELIEVE IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE LAST GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE TALKED TO SOME DEMOGRAPHICS AND SOME THINGS THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT ON THEIR OWN, BUT STAFF WOULDN'T BE PRIVY TO THAT.

>> OKAY.

>> ONE MORE THING, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT ABSOLUTELY, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THAT BEING DEVELOPED.

IT'S BEEN A VERY SECURE LOCATION SINCE IT'S BEEN VACANT.

IT'S GOT ADEQUATE LIGHTING, IT'S GATED.

WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM RIGHT NOW WITH A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE THAT STAY AT THE 711 AND UP AND DOWN BROWN TRAIL.

THEY SIT AT THE FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS IN THE PARKING LOT.

THEY SIT ON THE EMPTY BENCHES.

THANK GOD, THAT HAS A GATE, SO THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO JUST SIT THERE DURING THE DAY OR DURING THE EVENING.

LIKE I SAID, IT'S ADEQUATELY LIT.

WE APPRECIATE THE LANDSCAPING IT'S VERY WELL-MAINTAINED, IT'S VERY PRETTY.

THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT OF COURSE, PROBABLY HAS TO GROW.

IT CAN'T BE AN EMPTY PARKING LOT FOREVER, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL TO HAVE SOMETHING THERE.

THE CAR WASH IS JUST NOT APPROPRIATE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS IT'S SOMETHING TO BE DEVELOPED THERE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MS. GREEN. ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?

>> PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> HELLO. I'M SARAH LOBE AND OUR DRESSES, 1904 OLD KIRK ROAD, RIGHT IN THAT PICTURE OVER THERE.

THIS IS MY HUSBAND CRAIG.

>> WELCOME.

>> SHE DID A WONDERFUL JOB HITTING ALMOST ALL OF THE POINTS.

BUT THE BIGGEST POINT FOR US IS, THERE'S SO MANY CHILDREN THAT WALK TO SCHOOL IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO HAVE CARS BEING REROUTED THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT SOUND SAFE.

>> WE DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS RIGHT THERE ON OLD KIRK.

WE HAVE THREE SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN, PEOPLE WALKING ALL DAY.

KIDS ARE OUT ALL DAY ON IT.

>> FAMILY'S GOING ON WALKS DOWN THE STREET.

THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS SO WE'D BE SHARING IT WITH A LINE OF CARS WAITING TO GET THEIR CAR WASHED OR A CAR PULLING OUT AFTER THEIR CAR WASH.

>> JUST TO ADD ALL TO MS.GREEN POINTS.

THERE ARE SO MANY CAR WASHES AROUND.

WE GO TO THE ONE ON OUR CENTRAL RIGHT THERE BY THE QT, WE USE CAR WASHES, BUT THE FACT TO SAY THERE'LL BE NO TRAFFIC THAT JUST SIMPLY WON'T BE THE CASE IF YOU DRIVE BY THEM, THERE'S TRAFFIC.

THE ENTRANCE ON THAT ROAD, IT IS A CUT-THROUGH ROAD WITH A WEIRD TURN-IN AND RAVENS BEHIND IT, TURNS IN A AROUND.

WE SEE ALMOST ACCIDENTS THERE QUITE A BIT WITH JUST BETWEEN DELIVERY TRUCKS, KIDS WALKING AND PEOPLE TRYING TO CUT THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE TRAFFIC THERE WOULD BE ATROCIOUS.

I WOULD RATHER THE ENTRANCE BE OFF OF BROWN TRAIL IF THEY DID GO THROUGH THEN OFF THE [INAUDIBLE], I CAN'T COMPREHEND A BUSINESS HAVING ENTRANCE AND EXIT WITH HIGH VOLUME ON OLD KIRK AND IT WORKING AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE ROAD, IT'S JUST NOT BUILT FOR THAT.

>> IT'S 600 FEET FROM AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

EVERYBODY THAT WORKS THERE, THEY ALL GOING TO BE ABLE TO.

>> BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY CUT DOWN FROM THAT SIDE FOR HOURS EVERY DAY SO NOW WE WOULD POTENTIALLY BE CUT OFF FROM BOTH SIDES.

>> YEAH. THAT'S TRUE.

THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THERE'S A SCHOOL ZONE THAT GOES RIGHT THROUGH THERE AT THE END OF OLD KIRK AND IT'S TWICE A DAY.

>> ALL THE EXITS IN EVERY SCHOOL, PEOPLE THAT PICK UP EXIT OUT OLD KIRK RIGHT THERE ON THE BROWN TRAIL TO GO ACROSS.

FOR A COUPLE HOURS A DAY, IT'S HIGH-VOLUME TRAFFIC RIGHT THERE.

>> THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S OUR PIECE.

>> THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, FOLKS.

>> ANYONE ELSE CARE TO SPEAK?

>> HI. MY NAME IS VERA NANA.

I'M AT 1712 SYCAMORE PEAK TRI IN ARLINGTON, AND I'M WITH Q CAR WASH.

I'D LIKE TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW WE GOT INTO THIS BUSINESS AND WHY WE ARE HERE.

[01:00:04]

OUR HISTORY IS WHERE WE'VE BEEN BUILDING HOTELS, MOSTLY LIMITED SERVICE HOTELS AND WE STILL DO LIKE HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS AND HAMILTONIANS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

BUT AFTER THE 2008 FINANCIAL CRISIS, WE COULDN'T BUILD HOTELS ANYMORE.

IT TURNED OUT TO BE A BLESSING IN DISGUISE.

WE ALWAYS WANTED TO GET INTO RECYCLING.

WE STARTED GOING TO RECYCLING CONFERENCES AND WE WERE IN CANADA AND THIS PROFESSOR TALKING ABOUT CAR WASHES.

BUT HOW THEY'RE GOOD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND SOME CARBON FOOTPRINT NUMBERS THAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, BUT HE OBVIOUSLY WAS REALLY SMART AND SO WE STARTED GOING TO CAR WASH CONFERENCES AND WE BUILT OUR FIRST WASHING ON THE WEST SIDE OF FORT WORTH AT CLIFFORD ROAD AND A 20.

DESPITE THE MANY MISTAKES WE MADE, IT WAS SUCCESSFUL AND CUSTOMERS LOVED IT.

SOON WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THE MEMBERSHIP MODEL AND CUSTOMERS LOVED THE MEMBERSHIP MODEL WHERE YOU CAN JUST COME IN AND LESS THAN THREE MINUTES, THE GATE WOULD OPEN AND YOU JUST DRIVE THROUGH AND WASHING, YOU CAN WATCH UNLIMITED NUMBER OF TIMES.

AND THE EXPERIENCE WAS REALLY GOOD.

I USED TO WASH MY CAR ONCE EVERY SIX MONTHS.

AFTER I GOT IN THE BUSINESS, I STARTED WASHING IT MORE.

WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN YOU WASH YOUR CAR, YOU JUST FEEL GOOD.

A CLEAN CAR IS A REALLY GOOD FEELING.

I'M SURE YOU GUYS WOULD ATTEST TO THAT.

WE FEEL LIKE THIS AREA JUST DOES NOT HAVE ANY GOOD CAR WASHES AND ANYWHERE ALONG BROWN TRAIL OR IN NEAR THIS AREA.

WE FIND THIS TO BE AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR A CAR WASH. ANY OTHER USE WOULD CREATE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC.

OUR LOCATIONS AT THE END OF THE DAY ARE CLOSED OFF.

NOBODY CAN WALK ON.

WE HAVE I THINK OVER 25 CLOSED-CIRCUIT CAMERAS WATCHING THE PROPERTY AND WATCHING THE CARS GOING THROUGH THE TUNNEL AND THE WHOLE ENTIRE SITE, 24/7.

IF IT WAS A RESTAURANT OR SOMETHING ELSE, THEN IT'LL BE OPEN ALL DAY AND AT NIGHT, PEOPLE CAN WALK THROUGH THE PROPERTY REALLY EASILY AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE FEEL LIKE PEOPLE, WHEN THEY WASH THE CARS, THEY FEEL GOOD FOR SEVERAL DAYS AND WE PROVIDE A GREAT VALUE AND A GREAT EXPERIENCE TO OUR CUSTOMERS AND WE LIKE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

AS FAR AS THE NOISE IS CONCERNED, WE HAD NOISE STUDIES DONE AT SEVERAL OF OUR LOCATIONS.

HUNDRED FEET FROM THE TUNNEL IS ABOUT 60 DECIBELS AND A CAR TRAVELING ON A ROAD IS MORE THAN 60 DECIBELS.

I THINK IT'S 70 OR 75 DECIBELS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THE PEOPLE LIVING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, THEY WOULD HEAR THE CAR TRAVELING ON THAT ROAD BEFORE THEY WOULD HEAR THE BLOWERS IN OUR CAR WASH.

[BACKGROUND] OKAY.

SURE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> ALL RIGHT. [BACKGROUND]

>> IF YOU CAN COME UP TO THE PODIUM, SIR.

>> I THINK THERE WAS A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS WITH TECHNICAL QUESTIONS AND REALLY ONLY TO THE SOUND SEEMS TO BE A CONCERN.

BASICALLY THE SOUND IS THAT THE WAY THE SILENCERS ARE DESIGNED ON THESE PARTICULAR STANDARD BLOWERS HAVE ABOUT A 72 DECIBLE FROM ABOUT 50-75 FEET.

THE CAR WASH IS BUILT TO BE 100 FEET FROM THE ROAD WHERE THE BLOWERS WOULD ACTUALLY BE LOCATED.

BUT WITH A SILENCERS, IT BRINGS THE SOUND DOWN TO ABOUT 60 DECIBELS.

THE SOUND OF TRAFFIC INSIDE YOUR CAR DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD IS 85 DECIBELS.

THE SOUND ON THE ROAD, CARS DRIVING ON THE ROAD IS MORE NOISE FROM A DECIMAL STANDPOINT THAN OUR BLOWERS ARE.

YES, IF YOU'RE STANDING INSIDE THE TUNNEL UNDER THE BLOWERS, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABOUT 85-90 DECIBELS IF YOU STAND BELOW THE BLOWERS.

BUT THAT'S NOT OBVIOUSLY WHERE THE PUBLIC OR ANYBODY WOULD EXPERIENCE THAT.

THE DISTANCE TO THE ROAD OR ACTUALLY TO THE PARKING LOT IS ABOUT 60 DECIBELS TO ANSWER THAT.

WE TAKE GREAT CARE OF THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT IS A CONCERN, NOT ONLY TO CONSUMERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S CONCERN TO PEOPLE ON THE PROPERTY.

WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE IN A DISTURBANCE AREA. THAT STANDPOINT.

I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT IT MAYBE I DIDN'T MAKE CLEAR HIS CAR WASHES ARE NOT BUILT TO DRAW TRAFFIC.

CAR WASHES ARE BUILT TO DRAW FROM THE TRAFFIC IS ALREADY THERE.

WE WOULD NOT SET A CAR WASH SOMEWHERE AND GET PEOPLE TO DRIVE TO A CAR WASH.

THE INTERESTING THING IS THE DATA THAT MENTIONED ABOUT CAR WASHES.

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THERE'S ACTUALLY ONLY TWO TUNNEL CAR WASHES IN BEDFORD.

THEY'RE BOTH ON THE NORTH SIDE.

ONE'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF BEDFORD, ONES ON THE EAST SIDE OF BEDFORD, THERE ARE NO TUNNEL CAR WASHES IN BEDFORD ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

THERE ARE SOME SELF-SERVICE OR SOME HAND-WASH BASE, BUT THERE ARE NO TUNNEL CAR WASHES.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DATA, THERE ARE ACTUALLY ONLY TWO CAR WASHES RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY OF BEDFORD THAT ARE THIS TYPE OF CAR WASH.

BOTH ON THE NORTH SIDE, ONE ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE OF THE NORTH SIDE.

I CAN GIVE YOU MORE DETAILS ABOUT THAT.

WE'VE GOT THOSE EXACT DEMOGRAPHIC STUDIES.

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, I THINK TO ANSWER THAT CONCERN ABOUT TRAFFIC, IT IS NOT DESIGNED TO GET PEOPLE TO GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO DRIVE THE CAR WASHES BECAUSE IT'S NOT A DESTINATION BUSINESS.

THE MAJORITY OF CAR WASH BUSINESS IS BASED ON CONVENIENCE OF PEOPLE ARE ALREADY DRIVING TO AN AREA, SO WE'RE NOT BUILDING [NOISE] A CAR WASH TO BRING TRAFFIC IN, WE'RE JUST BUILDING A CAR WASH TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY THAT PEOPLE THAT DRIVE REGULARLY IN THAT AREA.

THE 10,000 CARS A DAY THAT DRIVE UP AND DOWN BROWN TRAIL, THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WE'RE INTERESTED IN.

THESE ARE 10,000 VEHICLES A DAY THAT CREATES THAT DECIBEL ABOVE 85 DECIBELS EVERY DAY WITHIN FEET OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.

WE'RE JUST IN THE SAME AREA.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> OKAY.

>> ON SEVEN DAYS, HOW DOES A TYPICAL CAR WASH BUSINESS FLOW? YOU KNOW, MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY, WHERE THE PEAKS BY DAY?

>> [INAUDIBLE] ANSWER THAT QUESTION A LITTLE BIT MORE AND I'LL LET FROM HIS OPERATIONS STANDPOINT.

>> MY OBSERVATIONS ARE, BUT I WANT TO [INAUDIBLE]

>> YEAH. IT'S AN OPERATOR THAT [INAUDIBLE]

>> THE PEAKS ARE OBVIOUSLY THE WEEKENDS ARE GOING TO BE BUSY.

FRIDAY, SATURDAY ARE PROBABLY OUR BUSIER DAYS WHEN THE WEATHER'S GOOD, WHEN IT'S RAINING, THERE'S NOBODY COMING TO THE CAR WASH.

USUALLY FRIDAYS WHEN PEOPLE GET OFF WORK EARLIER AND THEY WANT TO WASH THE CAR OR FRIDAY, SATURDAY.

>> IT DOESN'T INTERFERE SO MUCH WITH SCHOOLS, IF YOU'RE TALKING FRIDAY AFTERNOON, SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS.

>> SUNDAYS. USUALLY THE WEEKENDS ARE ALWAYS THEIRS.

>> SATURDAY AND SUNDAYS ARE, THERE'S LINES.

>> YEAH.

>> BUT MONDAY TO THURSDAY, [INAUDIBLE].

>> EXACTLY.

>> OKAY. JUST CURIOUS.

WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> OKAY. IT IS 7:07.

COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? MR. JACOBSEN?

>> LISTENING TO ALL THESE COMMENTS AND REVIEWING MATERIAL, THE FIRST THING I LOOKED AT WAS DID IT FIT WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? IN MY VIEW, IT DOES, THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WE ALSO HAVE A CHARGE IN THE CITY OF BEDFORD TO DEVELOP COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR ON BROWN TRAIL.

I THINK THIS CAR WASH CERTAINLY CONTRIBUTES TO THAT.

THAT'S ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS ON MY PART.

CERTAINLY THINK THERE'S ALSO BE A SYNERGY TO THE EXISTING BUSINESSES.

THESE FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS NEARBY, SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE WASHING THEIR CAR, MIGHT STOP BY.

I THINK THE SYNERGY MIGHT HELP THE EXISTING BUSINESSES.

I GUESS FROM THE STANDPOINT, I'M A NOT FREQUENT ENOUGH, ACCORDING TO SOME OF YOU, CAR WASH PROPONENT, FREQUENT PATRON OF THE CARNATION CAR WASH ON CENTRAL.

I FIND IT VERY CONVENIENT.

I FIND IT IN OBTRUSIVE.

I FIND IT AN ADDITION TO OUR COMMUNITY.

AGAIN, OUR CENTRAL DRIVE CORRIDOR IS THE MAIN PART OF OUR CITY.

IF IT FITS OUR MAIN DRIVE, I CERTAINLY THINK IT CAN FIT HERE.

HOWEVER, THE ONLY THING THAT I HEARD THAT CONCERNS ME IS THAT THE ISSUE OF CHILDREN AND OLD KIRK ROAD AND THE ACCESS TO OLD KIRK ROAD.

THAT CONCERNS ME AS TO, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT IMPACT THE KIDS ALL THE TIME.

I'M WONDERING IF THERE ARE ANY ALTERNATIVES, THIS IS FROM THE CAR WASH PEOPLE, TO CHANGE THE ACCESS FROM OLD KIRK ROAD TO PERHAPS BROWN TRAIL?

>> TO THE SCHOOL.

>> WE HAD SUBMITTED A SITE PLAN EARLIER, BUT IT IS OF A BROWN TRAIL.

BY DOING THAT, WE HAD SOME PROBLEMS WITH A FIRE LANE AND THEN THERE WERE SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES AS WELL.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION THEN. WHAT WOULD BE YOUR THOUGHTS ON ADDING TO THE SITE PLAN TO BUILD A SIDEWALK FOR THOSE KIDS?

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>> WE DO HAVE AN EXISTING SIDEWALK ON THE ORCA CROWD.

>> THERE'S ONE?

>> IT'S LIKE THREE SQUARES, IT'S LIKE ONE PROPERTY HAS SIDEWALK.

>> IF NOT, WE HAD OPEN TO ADDING A FIVE FEET OR SIX FEET SIDEWALK.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN?

>> YES, SIR.

>> JUST WANTED TO NAME ONE.

I REALLY LIKE TO LOOK AT YOUR PRODUCT.

I LIKED THE PRESENTATION YOU MAKE.

WELL, I REALLY QUESTION IS THE LOCATION AND I'M BEING REAL HONEST WITH YOU.

I'M NOT SURE WHY YOU CHOSE THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.

I THINK YOU'D BE AN ASSET AND BEDFORD.

BUT I'VE ALSO HEARD WHAT SOME OF THE RESIDENTS HAD SAID AND WE TRY AND BALANCE OUT BOTH.

I'M NOT SURE WHY YOU PICKED THAT PARTICULAR ONE. THAT'S YOUR BUSINESS.

WHY YOU CHOSE THAT, BUT YOU LOOKED TO HAVE A VERY GOOD PRODUCT AND SO ON.

BUT I REALLY QUESTION THIS LOCATION.

I DROVE UP THERE TODAY TOO.

I DO ALL THE SIDES AND LOOK AT THEM AND THAT'S WHY I COMMENTED ABOUT ARE YOU KEEPING THE LANDSCAPING IT'S THERE AND IT'S A PARKING LOT TODAY.

IT'S CERTAINLY BE NICE TO HAVE THE REVENUE AND CERTAINLY, IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE YOU AS NEIGHBORS AND BEDFORD.

I JUST QUESTION WHETHER THIS BASED ON WHAT THE NEIGHBORS HAD SAID AND I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.

>> JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST PUT IT IN THE RECORD THAT WITHIN THIS BUSINESS CORRIDOR, BROWN TRAIL 183 IS ALSO A MAJOR AUTOMOTIVE NEW AND USED CAR DEALERSHIP ACROSS THE OTHER SIDE, DON'T WANT ANY THREE IS ONE OF OUR MAJOR HIGH SCHOOLS.

THAT ALL IS DRIVES THE CLIENTELE THAT WE BENEFIT FROM HAVING THIS.

WE ARE, AS COMMISSIONER JACOBSEN MENTIONED, IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO ENHANCE THE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT PART OF TOWN, THIS IS A CAR WASH OPERATION CHAIN THAT EXISTS IN SOUTH LAKE AND 15 OTHER PLACES IN NORTH TEXAS.

THIS IS NOT A INDIVIDUAL SITE HERE THIS IS PART OF A LARGE BUSINESS CORPORATION THAT'S ACROSS THE METROPLEX.

IN A SITE THAT HAS LIMITED POSSIBILITIES FOR DEVELOPMENT I THINK THAT THE TRAFFIC CONFIGURATIONS AND TRAFFIC CONCERNS, ALTHOUGH, I MEAN, CERTAINLY A CONCERN.

THE SCHOOL HAS BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.

THESE ROADS WITH OR WITHOUT SIDEWALKS, THAT'S THE NATURE OF THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY FRONTS ON BROWN TRAIL, WHICH IS A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.

THIS PROPERTY IS IN OUR NOTES AS BEING BEING PURCHASED FROM THE CAR DEALERSHIP.

WE'VE ALREADY GOT CARS DEALERSHIPS IN THAT AREA OF THE CROSS THE STREET IS A FAST FOOD.

I THINK THIS IS A GOOD USE FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY AND IT FITS INTO OUR OVERALL PLAN.

THE SITE PLAN HAS MET THE QUALIFICATIONS OF SITES THROUGH STAFF TO REVIEW.

>> WE'RE ASKED, YOU KNOW WHERE IS THE SCHOOL? IS THAT SENDER DISCUSSION HERE? WHERE IS IT RELATIVE TO THIS IT'S NOT IN THERE.

>> LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET TO.

I DON'T KNOW IF MY MOUSE [OVERLAPPING]

>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT KIDS WORKING THIS WAY.

>> CORRECT. SORRY. WHEN YOUR KIDS DISMISS THIS IS ALSO IS A ONE-WAY STREET TWICE A DAY.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT CAN ONLY DRIVE THIS LANE.

>> WOULD YOU MIND DO IT ON THE SCREEN?

>> YOU CAN SEE IT THERE.

>> WE CAN'T SEE INTO THAT OVER THERE,.

>> BUT WE CAN'T SEE THIS.

>> I CAN POINT UP HERE TOO.

>> TO THE OTHER SIDE.

>> WE CAN SEE HERE.

>> RIGHT HERE'S THE SCHOOL. THIS IS SOMERSET TERRORISTS.

THIS IS A ONE-WAY STREET FOR SEVERAL HOURS DURING THE MORNING AND THE AFTERNOON.

WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN? THE ENTRANCE IS RIGHT HERE.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TURN ONE INTO THE ONE-WAY STREET AND THEN GET BACK IN OR THEY'RE GETTING THROUGH.

THIS RIGHT HERE ALREADY HAS THE PROBLEMS WITH THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE OF A LACK OF SIGNAGE RIGHT THERE AND AS WE STATED THE WAY TTHE CURVES INTO THE COLDEST RAVENS WIDTH.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN CML COME THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, OUR STREET TO TRY TO LOOP BACK AROUND.

THE BLOCK, LIKE I SAID, FROM STONE GATE APARTMENTS, YOU'VE GOT BACK FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL, NOT CONVEYING AREA TO COME INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN YOU'RE WALKING, NOT TO MENTION NEIGHBORS THAT ARE WALKING OUR DOGS OUTSIDE PLAYING WITH OUR KIDS RIDE HER BIKES [INAUDIBLE].

>> THERE'S A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC FROM BROWN TRAIL PASSING THROUGH RIGHT NEXT TO THAT SPACE?

>> FOR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE TROPICAL.

>> BELT AS I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

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>> THERE WAS A SIGN THAT JUST SAID LEFT HER NORMALLY COMING OUT OF THE CAR WASH, WOULDN'T THAT SOLVE IT.

>> BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE [INAUDIBLE] COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND GOING BACK OUT.

>> BUT OLD KIRK ROAD IS TWO-WAY.

>> SOMERSET TERRORIST RIGHT HERE IS ONE WAY.

>> THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEY CAN TURN LEFT TO GO BACK TO BROWN.

>> [OVERLAPPING]

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST NEED TO SAY THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

NORMALLY, WE DON'T ALLOW THIS BACK-AND-FORTH WITH THE PUBLIC.

IF YOU WANT TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN, PLEASE DO SO, BUT I JUST WANT TO TRY TO KEEP US ON THE RECORD.

>> CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? HOW LONG HAS THAT LAND BEEN SITTING FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, VACANT?

>> I DON T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

I KNOW THAT. AGAIN, I BELIEVE IT WAS 2015.

IT WAS DEVELOPED AS THE PARKING LOT THAT IT IS NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHEN GRUBS STOPPED USING IT.

>> TECHNICALLY IS NOT VACANT.

DID IT EXISTS AS A GRUBS PARKING LOT AND AS THEY'RE CURRENTLY, IT'S A LITTLE BIT EMPTY BECAUSE THEY ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION PHASE AND ARE INVENTORIES DOWN PROTECTION THAN IT'S EVER BEEN A VACANT PIECE PROPERTY?

>> WELL, VACANT, MEANING NOT NOT IN USE.

>> WELL, I THINK IT'S, INTERMITTENTLY IT'S STILL ON IT.

>> I'M SORRY.

>> ANYBODY ELSE? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS ITEM.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN?

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY SQP 23 -20.

>> THAT MOTION DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A SECOND MOTION.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING REZONING OF THE PROPERTY.

DESCRIBE LOT A BLOCK 17, OUR STONE GATE ADDITION, BEDFORD, FROM HEAVY COMMERCIAL TOO HEAVY COMMERCIAL SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, CAR WASH ESTABLISHMENT, AND THE PROPER GALLERY LOCATED AT AND ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF OLD KIRK ROAD AND BROWN TRAIL, COMMONLY KNOWN AS 1428 PER ONTARIO.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO PROVE.

>> CAN WE ADD AN AMENDMENT TO THAT?

>> PARDON ME?

>> DO WE ADD AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION.

>> I THINK YOU NEED A SECOND FIRST BEFORE YOU CAN HIT SECOND, FIRST.

>> I'LL MAKE A SECOND MOTION.

>> WE HAVE A SECOND DISCUSSION. DANIELLE.

>> I WAS WANTING TO JUST ADD THAT CONDITION.

JUST MAKE A LEFT TURN TO TRY TO APPEASE THE TRAFFIC SITUATION.

>>MY GUESS IS THAT WE CAN'T IN A ZONING CHANGE FOR PROPER TO USE DICTATE TRAFFIC FLOW.

>> I WILL AGREE TO THAT.

>> NO. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE CASE SQP 23-20.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AYE, ALL AS SUPPOSED? SIX TO ONE MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU, FOLKS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, YOUR TIME, AND YOUR INTEREST.

>> OUR NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 4.

[4. Conduct a public hearing and consider making a recommendation to City Council regarding a rezoning of the property described as Lot 1, Block 1 Harwood/Central Shopping Center Addition from Planned Unit Development to Planned Unit Development/Specific Use Permit-Indoor Amusement Center and the property is generally located at approximately 500 feet north of Harwood Road, west of Central Drive, commonly known as 2113 Harwood Road, Suite 351. (SUP23-22) ]

WE ARE TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDER MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL REGARDING A REZONING OF THE PROPERTY.

LOT 1, BLOCK 1, HARWOOD CENTRAL SHOPPING CENTER EDITION, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, INDOOR AMUSEMENT CENTER, BETTER KNOWN AS 2113 BEDFORD ROAD, SUITE 351. STAFF REPORT, PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU FOR SHARING COMMISSION MEMBERS.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR AN INDOOR AMUSEMENT CENTERS, SPECIFICALLY AN ARCADE THE AFRICANS PROPOSING, LOCATED IN WHAT'S COMMONLY KNOWN AS WHAT WE CALL KROGER SHOPPING CENTER AT HARWOOD AND CENTRAL.

SHOPPING CENTER WAS DEVELOPED IN THE LATE '80S, CONSISTS OF OVER 100,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL CENTER SPACE, VARIOUS USES SUCH AS RESTAURANTS, OFFICE.

THERE ARE A FEW VACANT SUITES WITHIN THERE AND THEN AN ADDITION THAT GOT 639 PARKING STALLS.

THE APPLICANTS PROPOSING TO CONVERT A 1,500 SQUARE FOOT SWEET INTO AN ARCADE GAME USE WITH FOOD AND DRINK SERVICE.

SURROUNDING AREA.

TO THE EAST, YOU HAVE A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, TO THE NORTH, PRIMARILY RETAIL I'M SORRY, TO THE SOUTH, PRIMARILY RETAIL RESTAURANT AND PHARMACY,

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CONVENIENCE STORE WHATNOT, AND THEN TO THE NORTH YOU HAVE AGAIN, SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

PICTURES OF THE SITE, I THINK EVERYBODY IS FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.

WE NOTIFIED 32 PROPERTY OWNERS SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY WITHIN 200 FEET AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY REQUEST AGAINST OR IN FAVOR OF THAT REQUEST.

I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT THEY CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THEIR OPERATION AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE REQUEST [LAUGHTER].

>> OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF OUR CAGE COME BEFORE US, BUT I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE GOING TO GET A LIQUOR LICENSE ON THE PREMISE THAT I SAW, THE NOTE IS POSTED ON THE DOOR, SO IT WON'T PROBABLY FALL INTO THE SAME SCENARIO OF A LICENSED PEACE OFFICER.

I JUST WANT BE CLEAR ON THAT.

>> I MEAN, EXACTLY.

NOW IF YOU STILL WANTED TO PLACE THAT REQUIREMENT ON THERE, YOU COULD.

BUT THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST.

MOST OF THOSE DID NOT HAVE A TABC LICENSE.

BOTH OF THOSE DID NOT HAVE A HEALTH LICENSE FROM THE THEOREM COUNTY, SO THAT WAS REALLY A BYOB-TYPE SITUATION.

>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT.

>> SURE. THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THOSE IN THE PAST.

>> THAT'S THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. APPLICANT HAS BEEN PATIENTLY AWAITING ALL THREE OF YOU.

YOU'D STAKE COME STRAIGHT FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND GIVE US A BRIEF SYNOPSIS OF YOUR PLAN.

WE HAVE THE DOCUMENTATION AND THE INFORMATION.

DID YOU PROVIDE IT WITH YOUR PACKET?

>> FANTASTIC. WE DO HAVE SOME EXTRA PACKETS RIGHT HERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE POWERPOINT IS.

>> DID YOU EMAIL THE DIAGRAM NOW CORRECT THERE?

>> IT'S OKAY. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO, YOU MAY WANT TO THIS TUSSLE THROUGH SINCE YOU'VE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF BACK AND FORTH TONIGHT.

BUT I DO HAVE THESE PACKETS RIGHT HERE-.

>> WE DO ALL HAVE ALL THOSE IN OUR PACKET-.

>> FANTASTIC.

>> OR YOU NEED LOGO SIGNS? [LAUGHTER], THERE YOU GO.

GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT YOUR PLAN IS AND WHAT BROUGHT YOU TO BEDFORD-.

>> WELL, MY NAME IS MIKE WOODS.

I'M AT 4882 LODGEPOLE LANE IN FORT WORTH TEXAS 76137.

I AM THE OWNER AND OPERATOR OF THE ELECTRIC STARSHIP PART [INAUDIBLE] HALTOM CITY'S [NOISE].

I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PARTICULAR STANDING IN FRONT OF MY FUTURE FRIENDS HERE ON THE COUNCIL.

I'M JOINED BY MIKE MURRAY.

HE WILL BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE TIME RIFT ARCADE AND THAT'S WHAT WE'D BE OPENING HERE IN BEDFORD AND THEN DAVID MURRAY, HIS BROTHER BE PRINCIPAL.

I WOULD BE THE VICE PRESIDENT THERE.

JUST REAL QUICKLY GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON US.

MIKE MURRAY HAS OVER 30 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN INFORMATION AND TECHNOLOGY LEADERSHIP, CREATED AND OPERATED THE GEEK PUB, HE DOES THAT RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS AN ONLINE VENTURE AND THE ARCADE INDUSTRY SELLS BUTTONS, JOYSTICKS, ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO REPAIR AND BUILD AN ARCADE MACHINE UP FROM THE GROUND.

HE HAS E-COMMERCE MARKETING AND FBA SELLS GOING ALL THE WAY BACK.

MR. DAVID MURRAY BEHIND ME IS BETTER KNOWN AS THE 8-BIT GUY ON YOUTUBE.

HE'S A CELEBRITY, HE HAS GOT 1.5 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS.

HE CREATED THE COMMANDER X16, THE 8-BIT RETRO COMPUTER FOR THE EDUCATIONAL MARKET AND HE CURRENTLY HAS VENTURES.

SHE HAD 20 YEARS IN IT CAREER BEFORE THAT, SO ME, I WAS OLD CAR GUY, HE SELL CARS.

BUT I'VE BEEN IN THE ARCADE INDUSTRY NOW FOR SIX YEARS.

I DID THREE YEARS PREP WORK PREPARING TO OPEN THE ELECTRIC STARSHIP ARCADE AND HALTOM CITY.

WE'VE BEEN OPEN ABOUT AN HOUR IN OUR FOURTH YEAR, SO WE'RE AT THREE-AND-A-HALF YEARS NOW OPEN DURING THE PANDEMIC, I OPENED ON JUNE, 12TH OF 2020.

THIS IS RIGHT BEFORE THE MASK MANDATE AND RIGHT AFTER THE GOVERNOR ALLOWED ARCADES, WHICH WAS THE VERY LAST THING THAT WAS ALLOWED TO OPEN AT THE TIME, SO THAT'S WHEN I OPENED MY DOORS FOR THE FIRST TIME.

I HAVE EXPERIENCE THERE.

I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF OVERVIEW ABOUT THE TIMER IF WE WANT TO BRING A FAMILY BUSINESS TO YOU AND BECOME ENTERTAINMENT STAPLE IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

IMAGINE A GROUP OF CHILDREN, BEST FRIENDS SCROUNGED UP A HANDFUL OF QUARTERS.

THEY GO TO THE LOCAL ARCADE, SEE IF THEY CAN BEAT THEIR HIGH SCORE ON PAC-MAN AND DONKEY KONG MACHINE IN THE EARLY '80S.

OR YOU CAN FAST FORWARD INTO THE MID-'90S AND THOSE SAME CHILDREN NOW IN THEIR TEENS AND THEY'RE GOING TO THE MALL AND THEY'RE TRYING TO BEAT THE LOCALS AT STREET FIGHTER.

NOW THOSE CHILDREN ARE IN THEIR LATE '30S AND EARLY '40S RIGHT HERE.

THEY CAN TALK ABOUT THAT MAGICAL FEELING OF GOING TO A REAL ARCADE, TWO DECADES AGO WITH THEIR KIDS.

BUT WOULDN'T IT BE AMAZING IF THEY CAN TAKE THAT TIME MACHINE BACK AND HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE TOGETHER AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE PROVIDED AT THE ELECTRIC STARSHIP ARCADE JUST A FEW CITIES OVER.

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AMERICA HAS A LOVE FOR THE CONNECTION TO ARCADE GAMES.

THE ARCADE HAS BEEN WOVEN INTO THE FABRIC OF OUR LIVES FOR OVER FOUR DECADES NOW.

FROM SHOWBIZ PIZZA, BACK IN THE DAY TO DAVE AND BUSTERS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT HERE AT THE BELIEVING COLLEAGUE BILL.

WE'VE ALL BEEN TO A KID'S BIRTHDAY PARTY OR PERHAPS EVEN AN ADULT KID'S BIRTHDAY PARTY HAD ONE OF THESE LOCATIONS.

IT'S WHO WE ARE IN OUR SOCIETY, NOW THAT'S WHAT WE GAME, JUST GAMERS EVERYWHERE FROM PLAYING PONG OR ALL THE WAY UP TO PLAYING MINECRAFT OR FORTNIGHT THAT KIDS PLAY THESE DAYS.

THE DENIZENS OF THIS FINE SCENITY, IF THEY WANT TO GO TO A FAMILY ARCADE, THEY'RE LEAVING THE CITY.

YOU'LL HAVE THE QUARTER LOUNGE RECENTLY, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN THE CITY ANY LONGER.

THEY'RE TAKING THEIR TIME, THEIR MONEY AND THEY'RE GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE AND SPENDING THAT AND NOT HERE IN BEDFORD.

THEY'RE GOING RIGHT OVER TO COLLEAGUE BILL, OR THEY'RE GOING OVER TO GREAT BOND AROUND ONE OR MAIN EVENT, SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN YOUR CITY THAT'S KEEPING THEM HERE.

THE GREAT THING IS AS WE GET PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE PLACE.

NOT ONLY YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP YOUR CITIZENS IN YOUR CITY SPENDING THEIR MONEY HERE, THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO COME FROM THE SURROUNDING CITIES TO LEAVE THAT MONEY HERE FOR YOU.

LET'S SEE WHERE WE'RE AT. I ALONE WITH MY WIFE CYNTHIA, WE OPENED UP, AS I SAID BEFORE, MY KIDS RUN THAT ARCADE RIGHT NOW, MY TWIN GIRLS ARE THERE, THEY'RE RUNNING THAT ARCADE AND IT'S A PATH AT THE DOOR FORMAT.

IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS, THIS IS WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO CARRY AROUND BUNCH OF TOKENS ARE A LITTLE CARD THAT YOU GOT TO RUN.

YOU BASICALLY PAY $12 AT THE DOOR AND ALL THE GAMES INSIDE ARE SET TO FREE.

[NOISE] ONCE INSIDE, THEY'RE GOING TO RUN INTO WHAT GAMES WE HAVE.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OVER 100 GAMES AT THE LOCATION.

THESE ARE GOING TO SPAN FROM DECADES PAST, SO ANYTHING FROM PAC-MAN AND DONKEY KONG AND TO THE STREET FIGHTERS IN THE '90S TO MODERN WONDERS LIKE BIG DRIVING GAMES AND THAT THING THAT YOU WOULD SEE AT SOME OF THESE LOCATIONS.

I'VE BEEN COLLECTING THESE GAMES.

ME AND MY COLLEAGUES HERE HAVE BEEN COLLECTING THESE GAMES FOR YEARS AT THIS POINT, HAVE A BACKLOG OF GAMES THAT I KEEP IN ROTATION AT MY LOCATION AND THIS WOULD ALSO COME OVER TO OUR LOCATION.

WE'D ALWAYS HAVE SOMETHING NEW FOR PEOPLE TO DO [INAUDIBLE] AS FAR AS WHAT ELSE THEY CAN EXPECT WHEN THEY GET INSIDE.

TO KEEP PEOPLE COMING BACK, WE HAVE CONCESSIONS.

THINK LIKE A MOVIE THEATER, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PIZZA, NACHOS, POPCORN, COTTON CANDY, EVERYTHING MADE FRESH DAILY.

AT 8:00 PM EVERY NIGHT, WE WILL BE ASKING ANYONE UNDER 21 TO GO HOME FOR THE DAY TO ALLOW ADULTS TO MINGLE AND SOCIALIZE.

OUR ADULT OFFERINGS WOULD INCLUDE JUST CRAFT AND LOCAL BEERS AND HARD CIDER.

WE WOULD NOT HAVE HARD LIQUOR AT THE LOCATION.

THIS IS A PRETTY COMMON FORMAT FOR ARCADES AT THIS POINT.

SOME ARCADES DO CARRY A HIGHER LIQUOR LICENSE, BUT WE WOULD NOT BE DOING THAT, AT LEAST NOT FOR NOW.

WE'D BE CLOSED ON MONDAYS AND [NOISE] TUESDAYS, WEDNESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY WOULD BE NOON TO 11.

ACTUALLY, FRIDAY WE'D BE NOON TO MIDNIGHT, SATURDAY NOON TO MIDNIGHT, AND SUNDAY NOON TO 10.

WE WOULD LOVE TO CALL BEDFORD OUR NEW HOME FOR OUR NEW ARCADE AND TIME RIFT.

>> EXCELLENT. COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TO START OFF.

>>SURE.

>> HOW MANY PLAYER STATIONS WILL YOU HAVE IN YOUR FACILITY BASED ON THIS DRAWING, YOU SENTENCE, YOU SAID 100 GAMES, BUT HOW MANY PLAYER STATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE IN YOUR FOOTAGE?

>> IT CAN BE VARYING.

IF YOU'RE PLAYING A PINBALL MACHINE, OBVIOUSLY, YOU'RE RIGHT HERE.

THERE'S JUST ONE AND THEN IF YOU'RE PLAYING A FOUR-PLAYER GAMES, THEY LIKE THE SIMPSONS, IT'D BE ABOUT THIS WIDE.

CURRENTLY IN THE ELECTRIC STARSHIP, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR AS FAR AS SIZE GOES, THIS IS 5,900 SQUARE FEET.

WHEN I FIRST OPENED THE STARSHIP, WE'RE AT 5811, SO VERY CLOSE, UNDERSTAND THAT I CAN FIT IN THAT SPACE, WE HAD ABOUT 120 GAMES ON THE FLOOR.

I'VE SINCE EXPANDED THE STARSHIPS.

THIS WOULD BE THE THIRD MEETING BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY HAD TO GO BACK AND GET ANOTHER CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO EXPAND IT IN THE SPACE NEXT TO ME AND WE ADDED ABOUT 15-20 MORE GAMES IN THERE.

AGAIN ON THE ROTATION, IF I ROTATE A CAR GAME AND THAT'S A TWO-SEATER AND THEN THAT'S ONE BIG SPACE.

IF YOU WERE PLAYER STATION WOULD VARY BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE GAME TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.

BUT TO REALLY ANSWER IT, I WOULD SAY ABOUT 130 SPACES.

>> OKAY. YOU COULD HAVE 130 PEOPLE IN THERE TO TIE?

>> TOTALLY, BUT I'VE NEVER HAD THAT AT THE STARSHIP.

YOU'VE BEEN VERY CLOSE [INAUDIBLE].

>> I UNDERSTAND. WHY DID YOU PICK THIS SPOT?

>> I LIKED THE LOCATION BECAUSE THERE IS NEIGHBORS ALL AROUND THAT COULD BENEFIT FROM THAT.

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THERE IS A SHOPPING CENTER THAT'S THRIVING IN TRAFFIC COMING OVER FROM THAT AREA.

ALSO THERE'S JUST NOT ANY ARCADES HERE.

THE COMPETITION WOULD BE SMALLER HERE THAN IT WOULD BE IF I WENT TO SAY DOWNTOWN ARLINGTON.

>> COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS? NO?

>> OF COURSE I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

>> SURE.

>> YOU GUYS CAN SIT DOWN.

>> OKAY.

>> HEY, STEPH QUESTION. I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN HERE OF FARMHOUSE OR WHAT'S THE CAPACITY OF THIS SQUARE FOOTAGE PEOPLE WISE?

>> DO WE KNOW?

>> I DON'T HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

>> IS THAT FARTHER DOWN THE ROAD?

>> THAT WILL BE FARTHER DOWN THE ROAD. THAT WOULD BE DURING THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY STANDPOINT.

I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

>> JUST SEEN THAT THE SIZE WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THE BUSINESS MODEL.

>> ANYBODY ELSE? OH, YES, SIR.

>> SIR, IF YOU CAN JUST COME UP TO THE PODIUM. SORRY.

>> I BELIEVE OUR OCCUPATION OVER THERE AT THE ELECTRODE STARSHIP UNDER THE 50TH BEFORE WE EVEN EXPANDED WAS ABOUT 264.

>> THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL REGULATE THAT, RIGHT WES?

>> I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE REPORT.

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

IF NO OTHER DISCUSSION I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> [NOISE] I'LL DO A MOTION TO APPROVE SUP 23, 22, TO CHANGE THE SUP TO AN INDOOR AMUSEMENT CENTER.

>> SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND.

UNANIMOUS VOTE OF SEVEN TO ZERO. CASE PASSES.

THANK YOU, SIR. THIS WILL BE FORWARDED ON TO CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, YOUR PRESENTATION. WELCOME.