Sep 22, 2022 Planning & Zoning Commission

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GREETINGS. IT'S 6:00.

[CALL TO ORDER & ROLL CALL]

START OVER HERE WITH COMMISSIONERS.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR PRESENCE FOR THE RECORD.

KATE BARLOW AND I AM PRESENT.

BRYAN HENDERSON.

PRESENT. BRUCE EMERY.

PRESENT. STEVE OTTO.

PRESENT. DANIELLE STELLRECHT.

PRESENT. WELL, WE DIDN'T ASK FOR A VOLUNTEER TO DO THE INVOCATION TONIGHT.

DO WE HAVE A VOLUNTEER? AND THEN WE'LL DO THE PLEDGE. SO ALL RISE.

I'LL LOOK. OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, BLESS US IN OUR MEETING HERE TONIGHT.

PLEASE GIVE US THE WISDOM AND THE KNOWLEDGE AND THE UNDERSTANDING TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF OUR CITY AND OUR CITIZENS.

WATCH OVER OUR CITY AND OUR EMPLOYEES.

THANK YOU FOR OUR STAFF.

LOOK OVER OUR POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS AS THEY PROTECT OUR CITY IN THOSE TIMES WHEN WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY ARE.

BLESS US OH LORD, AMEN.

ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A RELATIVELY SHORT MEETING THIS EVENING.

OUR FIRST ITEM IS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING ON JULY 28TH.

[1. Consider approval of the following Planning and Zoning Commission meeting minutes for the July 28, 2022 meeting.]

I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE AGENDA AS WRITTEN FROM THE SEPTEMBER 22ND MEETING.

NO THAT'S TODAY. JULY 28TH.

JULY 28THE.

LAST. YEAH.

JULY 28TH MEETING.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HANDS.

ALL RIGHT. MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

THE SECOND ITEM IS TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO REZONE A PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS LOT 2R01 BLOCK 1 BEDFORD CENTRE ADDITION FROM HEAVY

[2. Conduct a public hearing and consider making a recommendation to rezone the property described as Lot 2R01 Block 1 Bedford Centre Addition, from Heavy Commercial to Heavy Commercial/Specific Use Permit/Indoor Amusement the property is generally located at the north side of Bedford Road, approximately 450 feet west of Tennis Drive, more commonly known as 209 Bedford Drive, Suite 165 (PZ-SUP-2022-50069).]

BASICALLY KNOWN AS 209 BEDFORD DRIVE SUITE 165.

SUPPORT FROM STAFF.

THANK YOU, WES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. COMMISSION MEMBERS.

AS STATED, THIS PROPERTY IS AN EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER LOCATED TO AND ON BEDFORD ROAD, JUST A LITTLE BIT WEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF BEDFORD ROAD AND BROWN TRAIL. THE PROPOSED REQUEST IS FOR AN INDOOR AMUSEMENT CENTER, PRIMARILY TO HOUSE GAMING EQUIPMENT, COMPUTER GAMES, PLAYSTATIONS FOR CUSTOMERS TO USE.

THEY'LL ALSO SELL PREPACKAGED FOOD AND SNACKS, SNACKS AND DRINKS FOR CUSTOMERS.

THIS BASED ON THE ZONING DEFINITION OF AN INDOOR AMUSEMENT.

THIS USE WOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS AN INDOOR AMUSEMENT, AND IT'S REQUIRED IN ALL OUR ZONING DISTRICTS TO HAVE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

PURPOSE OF THE SUP I THINK YOU'LL KNOW THIS.

THE PURPOSE OF THE SUP IS THAT MAKE SURE THAT THE USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.

IN THIS CASE, SOME CASES WE LOOK AT IN BRAND NEW CONSTRUCTION.

WE MAKE SURE THE SITE PLAN IS DESIGNED IN A WAY THAT ENSURES THAT COMPATIBILITY.

IN THIS CASE, SINCE THEY'RE NOT MAKING ANY EXTERIOR CHANGES TO THE SITE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE USE IS LOCATED INSIDE THIS EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES IN IT.

GIVE YOU A LITTLE INSIGHT INTO THAT.

INSIDE THE SHOPPING CENTER, I WILL SAY THE MAJORITY OF IT SEEMS APPEARS TO BE VACANT.

WE HAVE A RESTAURANT, MASSAGE PARLOR, AND THEN SOME ADJACENT USES, SUCH AS OFFICE AND RETAIL.

THE STAFF AS YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS NOTIFY RESIDENTS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SITE.

WE NOTIFIED EIGHT ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS AND WE POSTED A SIGN ON THE PROPERTY.

WE DID RECEIVE ONE RESPONSE.

THAT RESPONSE I PUT AT YOUR DESK TONIGHT FOR YOUR REVIEW.

IT IS THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST.

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YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE.

YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS.

IF YOU THINK THERE'S CONDITIONS THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE THAT WOULD MAKE THIS USE COMPATIBLE TO THE SURROUNDING AREA, YOU CAN DO THAT AND THEN YOU CAN RECOMMEND DENIAL AS WELL. I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

ALL RIGHT FOR THIS PARTICULAR ZONED AREA IN THIS PARTICULAR SHOPPING CENTER.

COULD YOU OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD GIVE US SOME IDEA OF SOME USES WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR ZONED AREA THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE AN SUP? LIKE I COULDN'T DO IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD BECAUSE I'M NOT THAT GOOD.

BUT I CAN REAL QUICK JUST KIND OF RUN THROUGH IN HEAVY COMMERCIAL.

HEAVY COMMERCIAL IS ONE OF OUR MOST BROAD COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.

AND WHAT I'LL DO REAL QUICK, IF MY LITTLE TABLET WILL WORK WITH ME AS FAST AS I'D LIKE FOR IT TO.

I'LL JUST GO REAL QUICKLY AND KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA AS TO WHAT THE PERMITTED USES ARE ALLOWED BY, RIGHT? WHICH MEANS WITHOUT AN SUP.

AND IF I CLICKED ON THE RIGHT ONE, THAT WOULD HELP ME HERE.

CAN YOU BEAR WITH ME JUST ONE SECOND HERE? SO HELP US TO ESTABLISH A BASE FOR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

OF COURSE.

SO BY RIGHT ANY OFFICES, GENERAL RETAIL ANY TYPE OF SO I'M GOING TO KEEP GOING DOWN THE LINE, ANY TYPE OF TRANSPORTATION LIKE COMMUTER PICKUP STATIONS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

CONVENIENCE STORES, RETAIL BAKERY, RETAIL ICE CREAM, RESTAURANTS, CAFETERIAS, RESTAURANTS WITH ALCOHOL SALES OR WITHOUT.

DRIVE THRU RESTAURANTS.

I'M JUST HITTING SOME OF THE TOP ONES.

FULL SERVICE DEPARTMENT STORES OR DISCOUNT STORES WITH NO RESTRICTIONS ON SIZE OR WHATNOT.

LAUNDRY, CLEANING. LAUNDRY LIKE LAUNDRY DEPARTMENTS OR LAUNDRY DRY CLEANING PLACES.

PERSONAL SERVICES SUCH AS NAIL SALONS, BEAUTY SHOPS, TANNING SALONS, MEDICAL OFFICES OR CLINICS.

AGAIN, ANY TYPE OF PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, REAL ESTATE LAW, FINANCE OFFICES.

RENTAL SERVICES AS LONG AS THERE'S INDOOR STORAGE SO THEY DON'T ALLOW OUTDOOR STORAGE AND HEAVY COMMERCIAL.

AND THEN ON ENTERTAINMENT AND AMUSEMENT USES, WHICH SPECIFICALLY FALLS INTO THIS CATEGORY OF MOTION PICTURE THEATERS, INDOOR ICE OR ROLLER RINKS, MINIATURE GOLF, INDOOR MINIATURE GOLF OR DRIVING RANGES.

AND THEN UNDER THE INDUSTRIAL, THERE ARE EVEN SOME INDUSTRIALS LIKE SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH OR DEVELOPMENT OFFICES.

AND THAT'S KIND OF A HIGH OVERVIEW OF WHAT EVERYTHING THAT'S ALLOWED WITHIN THE HEAVY COMMERCIAL WITHOUT ANY TYPE OF ADDITIONAL PERMITS, SOMETHING LIKE A GIFT SHOP OR? OF COURSE OR ANY TYPE OF RETAIL, EVEN A WALMART, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

AND IT DOESN'T HAVE A SIZE RESTRICTION ON IT.

EXCELLENT. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, WES. COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MY QUESTION IS, IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, SOMEONE COULD SELL ALCOHOL AND THEY WOULDN'T NEED AN SUP.

THAT'S CORRECT. SO BUT THAT WOULD BE FOR ON PREMISE CONSUMPTION.

NOW, IF THERE IS LIKE A PACKAGE STORE OR A LIQUOR STORE FOR OFF PREMISE CONSUMPTION PER OUR ORDINANCE, THAT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED IN THIS LOCATION.

THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION. SURE.

I HAVE A QUESTION TOO. DID YOU SAY PUTT PUTT WAS LIKE UNDER THE LIST OF WHAT COULD BE OR ROLLER SKATING RINKS INDOOR? YES. THE ORDINANCE, WHICH I THINK I'M GOING TO GUESS WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT.

WHY? ONE INDOOR AMUSEMENT AND NOT THE OTHER.

THE ORDINANCE CLEARLY SPECIFIES SOME INDOOR USES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED.

AND THOSE AMUSEMENT, INDOOR AMUSEMENT USES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED.

AND I THINK IT'S WHEN YOU GET INTO A BROAD CATEGORY THAT MAYBE A CERTAIN INDOOR USE DOESN'T REALLY FIT INTO ONE OF THOSE MORE SPECIFIC CATEGORIES IS WHY THE ORDINANCE REALLY WANTS YOU TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO KIND OF GET A GOOD FEEL AS TO WHAT THE USE IS AND IF IT FITS INTO THIS AREA.

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DO WE HAVE ANY BUSINESSES LIKE THIS IN THIS CITY TODAY? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. NO, SIR.

GOOD. AND THEN IF THIS IS A FAIR QUESTION TO ASK, IF NOT WE'LL DISREGARD IT.

DO WE KNOW IF THIS CURRENT CLIENT RENTER HAS A SIMILAR BUSINESS SOMEWHERE ELSE? I THINK THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION FOR YOU TO ASK THE APPLICANT.

I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT AT THIS POINT.

OKAY. BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO ASK THAT TO THE APPLICANT.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP? YES, SIR. THERE ARE SOME SORT OF ENTERTAINMENT OR AMUSEMENT CENTER OVER IN THE OLD SEARS TRACK.

IT'S BEHIND WHERE THE APPLEBEE'S USED TO BE.

WHAT IS THAT? THAT IS IF I'VE NOT BEEN IN THERE.

BUT WHAT I BELIEVE IT IS, IT'S LIKE A INDOOR CENTER FOR LIKE TRAMPOLINES AND URBAN AIR, I THINK IS MAYBE WHAT IT'S CALLED, BUT IT'S MORE OF LIKE FOR A KID. JUMPING USING A LOT OF ENERGY.

IT'S JUST AN INDOOR AMUSEMENT FOR KIDS IS WHAT I'M ASSUMING IT'S GEARED TOWARD.

BUT I'VE NOT BEEN IN THERE.

OK. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY HAD A HUGE POLICE RESPONSE THERE ONE EVENING BECAUSE OF PROBLEMS. IS THAT CORRECT? I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

ANYONE ELSE. THANK YOU, WES.

THANK YOU. IT IS 6:11.

I'D LIKE TO CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING INTO ORDER FOR CASE PZ-SUP-2022-50069.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME AND MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION TO US DURING THIS PUBLIC HEARING, THAT'D BE TERRIFIC.

YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE, AND THEN WE'LL HEAR YOUR PROPOSAL.

ALL RIGHT. MY NAME IS DEVIN GUY AND I CURRENTLY RESIDE IN ARLINGTON AT 4011 SOUTHERN CHARM COURT.

YEAH, I FOR THIS BUSINESS IS BASICALLY AN EXTENSION OF STUFF THAT I'VE BEEN TOUCHING ON SINCE HIGH SCHOOL BACK IN 2007. I HAVE BASICALLY RAN A FEW TOURNAMENTS IN SCHOOL DURING THAT TIME AND KIND OF FOUND A LINK OR A PASSION FOR ME ON THAT. I WAS ABLE TO GET A JOB AT GAMESTOP AND DO SOMETHING SIMILAR THERE AND THEN GOT A JOB AT A COMIC SHOP WHERE I COULD DO IT MORE FREQUENTLY JUST BECAUSE OF THE GAMESTOP IT WAS RELEGATED TO RELEASES AND GAMES DON'T ALWAYS RELEASE WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO OR WHAT CAN RUN FOR TOURNAMENTS.

AND SO AT THE COMIC SHOP WE WERE ABLE TO JUST RUN A LOT MORE TOURNAMENTS AND WE GOT BIGGER AND COMMUNITIES STARTED TO GROW A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE COMIC SHOP WASN'T ABLE TO SURVIVE. AND SO I WAS THEN RUNNING THAT SAME KIND OF OPERATION OUT OF MY HOME.

IT WASN'T PAID OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

IT WAS JUST STRICTLY GROWING THE COMMUNITY AND US GOING OUT TO TOURNAMENTS.

SO THAT QUICKLY GOT AN ONLINE PRESENCE AND BECAME SOMETHING A LITTLE BIGGER AND THAT'S WHENEVER THIS BUSINESS CAME INTO PLAY. SO IT'S JUST AN ARCADE WHERE BASICALLY IT'S KIND OF LIKE A DOJO ALMOST, AND WE'RE JUST GETTING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER AND BEING A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN KIND OF HONE THEIR SKILLS.

AND SO WITH THAT SAME PART OF GETTING PEOPLE TOGETHER IN THIS GAMING ENVIRONMENT TO HONE THEIR SKILLS, WE WERE ABLE, LIKE OUR COMMUNITY, WAS ABLE TO GET IN LINE WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES.

SO WE WERE ABLE TO FIND OUT THAT WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES AROUND AND THAT THERE ARE MANY OTHERS, AND THAT THEY ALSO LOOK FOR THIS KIND OF STUFF.

AND WHAT REALLY JOGGED ME TO TRY TO GET IT GOING AT ALL IS THAT THERE'S REALLY NOTHING LIKE THAT IN THE FORT WORTH AREA, TECHNICALLY, BECAUSE I'M FROM KELLER.

AND SO AFTER I WORKED WITH THE COMIC SHOP AND THEN WAS AT HOME GROWING THAT I OVER THE YEARS, I HAD TO KIND OF BUILD THE ACTUAL IDEA, BUILD THE BUSINESS PLAN, AND I DIDN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF REAL HELP WITH THAT. AND SO IT TOOK ME A LONG TIME TO TRY AND ACTUALLY GET THAT UP AND RUNNING AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE IS AND HOW TO SELL THINGS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND IT SEEMED THAT A LOT OF WHAT I COULD DO WITH THAT ARE SKILLS THAT I LEARNED WHILE I WAS WORKING AT GAMESTOP, AND IT SEEMED TO HAVE A LOT OF CROSSOVER WITH THAT.

AND RECENTLY, AS OF 2020, I WAS INVOLVED WITH A I AM INVOLVED WITH A GAMING CHARITY ORGANIZATION CALLED LANFEST.

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AND WE BENEFIT LOCAL FOOD BANKS.

AND SO WE INVITE ALL THESE GAMERS TO COME OUT AND WE HAVE SOME KIDS PROGRAMING AND JUST REALLY TRY TO GET PEOPLE TOGETHER AND JUST HAVE A LOT OF FUN.

BUT WITH THE GOAL OF HAVING ALL OF US TOGETHER TO ASSIST OTHERS IN NEED AS WELL.

AND I'VE BEEN THE TOURNAMENTS AND CONTEST DIRECTOR FOR THEM FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.

WE WERE ABLE TO DO OUR FIRST EVENT RIGHT BEFORE COVID LOCKDOWN HIT, AND WE WERE ABLE TO NAVIGATE THAT KIND OF PROBLEM, IF YOU WILL, AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS ALWAYS BEEN SAFE AT OUR EVENTS AND MAKE SURE TO HAVE LIKE ONLINE PRESENCE AND OFFLINE PRESENCE DURING THAT TIME AS WELL. AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GROW OUR EVENT A LOT SINCE OUR INCEPTION, AND THAT'S WHEN MY BUSINESS PARTNER BRIAN GOT INVOLVED WITH LANFEST.

I NEEDED PEOPLE TO RUN SPECIFIC KINDS OF TOURNAMENTS AND JUST NEEDED A LITTLE BIT MORE HELP.

AND HE ALREADY HAD AN ESTABLISHED BUSINESS THAT WAS EXISTING PRE-COVID AND WAS ABLE TO PIVOT TO AN ONLINE KIND OF FORMAT DURING COVID SO THAT THE COMMUNITY THAT HE HAS CAN CONTINUE TO GROW.

AND WE WERE ABLE TO THEN TAKE THAT ONLINE STUFF, BRING IT BACK OFFLINE AND CONTINUE TO GROW IT FROM THERE AS WELL.

AND SO WITH THE MERGING OF KIND OF WHAT HE HAS GOING ON AND WHAT I HAVE GOING ON, WE WERE ABLE TO FINALLY LINK UP THIS BUSINESS PLAN TO TRY TO OPEN UP HERE IN BEDFORD.

LET ME JUST, FOR MY KNOWLEDGE, DEFINE COMMUNITY AND WHO ARE THE MEMBERS? WHAT ARE THE DEMOGRAPHICS? WHAT WHEN YOU SAY YOUR COMMUNITY, IS THIS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? IS THIS A CLOSED LIKE GROUP? I MEAN, HELP US TO UNDERSTAND, WHEN YOU KEEP SAYING COMMUNITY, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? SURE. BASICALLY, IT IS A DEAL WHERE IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

WE DON'T REALLY TURN ANYBODY AWAY AND IT'S FOR ANY AGES.

SO THE SPECIFICS OF IT IS THAT WE PLAY FIGHTING OR FIGHTING VIDEO GAMES LIKE STREET FIGHTER AND MORTAL KOMBAT, IF YOU'VE EVER HEARD OF THOSE.

SO THE COMMUNITY PART IS USUALLY IT'S ALWAYS USUALLY BEEN BASED AROUND MY ACTUAL AGE JUST BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE THE MOST CONTACT WITH.

AND SO RIGHT NOW, I WOULD SAY THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS MORE CENTERED AROUND LAN ALL NIGHT RIGHT NOW, AND OUR AVERAGE AGE IS ABOUT 35, I THINK IT IS RIGHT NOW.

AND SO, YEAH, IT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

ANYBODY CAN CAN JOIN AND BE A PART OF IT.

AND I RECENTLY GOT IN WITH LIKE THE LARGER FIGHTING GAME COMMUNITY LOCALLY.

AND SO I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF THE CONTEXT OF THE ACTUAL COMMUNITY PART IS JUST REALLY IT'S LIKE THESE PEOPLE WHO PLAY GAMES BUT SPECIFICALLY THESE GAMES AND THEY WANT TO GET INVOLVED WITH OTHERS WHO ALSO PLAY THOSE GAMES SO THEY CAN BE KIND OF COMPETITIVE WITH EACH OTHER AND ALWAYS PLAY TOURNAMENTS AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF.

DO YOU PROJECT THAT ALL OF YOUR ACTIVITIES WILL BE AT THIS SITE? YES. ALL OF YOUR COMMUNITY WILL PARTICIPATE IN THIS SITE.

AT THIS SITE? YES.

THERE WILL BE THE LANFEST EVENTS OR THE.

YEAH, THE LANFEST EVENTS THAT WE BRING OUR COMMUNITY TO AS WELL.

BUT THAT'S JUST, I WOULD SAY THE NATURAL USE.

SO WE ONLY RUN TWO EVENTS A YEAR.

SO IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT OUR BUSINESS WILL BE DOING BUSINESS AT THIS EVENT BECAUSE REALLY IT'S JUST ME BEING THE DIRECTOR OF THAT AND THE PEOPLE ARE JUST KIND OF FOLLOWING ME AROUND, IF YOU WILL. BUT YES, ACTUAL BUSINESS, BUSINESS WILL JUST BE CONDUCTED AT THAT SPOT.

COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THE WAY THAT THE ROOM IS LAID OUT NOW WITH THE STUFF AROUND THE EDGES, IS THAT THE WAY YOU WOULD KEEP IT? YES, THAT WAS THE STUFF THAT I HAD PUT UP WHEN I FIRST GOT THE SPACE.

I HAD NOT SEEN THAT I NEEDED THE SUP.

SO I GOT TO WORK MAKING SURE THAT IT WOULD FIT MY USE.

AND SO THAT'S WHY IT LOOKS THE WAY IT DOES RIGHT NOW OR THAT IS THE WAY IT LOOKS RIGHT NOW.

WHAT KIND OF HOURS DO YOU NORMALLY RUN? I NORMALLY RUN BASICALLY AFTER NORMAL WORK HOURS, SO MAYBE 5 P.M.

UNTIL ABOUT MIDNIGHT.

THAT WOULD BE OUR NORMAL SET.

BUT BECAUSE I'M NEEDING TO WORK MY DAY JOB AT THE SAME TIME RIGHT NOW, I'M ONLY GOING TO BE OPERATING EVERY OTHER WEEKEND FOR THE TIME BEING.

OKAY. HELP ME UNDERSTAND.

I GUESS BECAUSE OF MY AGE, I'M THINKING OF A ROOM FULL OF PINBALL MACHINES.

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COMPUTERS. COMPUTERS.

SO THEY COME IN AND THEY PLAY GAMES ON THE COMPUTERS OR ARE THEY HAVING TO PAY FOR IT OR HOW'S THIS WORK? YEAH, BECAUSE OF THE DOJO AESTHETIC TO IT.

IT'S MORE LIKE A GYM MEMBERSHIP IS WHAT WE OFFER.

AND SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THAT'S EFFECTIVELY HOW WE MAKE MONEY IS BY OFFERING PEOPLE TO COME IN FOR FREE TECHNICALLY AND WE OFFER THE MEMBERSHIP IS MORE FOR THE ACTUAL EXPERIENCES BUILT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND.

YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY MUCH HOW IT WORKS.

SO USUALLY PLACES LIKE THESE WOULD CHARGE LIKE AS SOON AS YOU WALK IN THE DOOR.

THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES THAT DO THAT RIGHT NOW.

AND HISTORICALLY, SINCE I'VE BEEN IN HIGH SCHOOL, I'VE LOOKED AT PLACES LIKE THESE AND IT BECOMES A HARDER AND HARDER SELL FOR PEOPLE.

AND IT HAS BEEN OVER THE YEARS, OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS OR SO.

SO I'VE PIVOTED WHAT I'VE KIND OF THOUGHT IS NORMAL FOR THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS WHERE PEOPLE WOULD JUST COME IN AND MAYBE PAY FOR HOURS OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT ON THE GAMING SYSTEMS AND INSTEAD TRY TO PIVOT TO SOMETHING THAT IS MORE OPEN TO PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO SHOW UP WHENEVER THEY WANT AND KIND OF INTERACT WITH WHAT'S THERE WHENEVER THEY NEED TO. SO YOU PROVIDE THE GAMING SYSTEMS AND THE HARDWARE FOR THE GAMES? YES, SIR. OKAY.

ALTHOUGH THEY'RE NOT SHOWN IN THE PICTURE, CORRECT.

YOU DO PROVIDE THOSE DURING OPEN HOURS SO THEY GET ACCESS? THEY ACTUALLY ARE IN THE PICTURE. IT'S JUST THAT THEY'RE BLACK.

SO YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE THEM ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK.

THEY'RE ON THE THEY'RE GOING TO BE ON THE LEFT HAND, RIGHT HAND SIDES.

I SEE SOME DOWN ON THE LEFT SIDE THERE, TOO.

OKAY. YEAH, THEY'RE JUST VERY SMALL COMPARED TO EVERYTHING ELSE.

OKAY, ANOTHER QUESTION IS WHAT ON QUALIFICATIONS, BUT RESTRICTIONS.

WHAT ARE THE RULES INSIDE THE FACILITY? YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE ALLOWED TO BRING WITH THEM? WHAT ARE THEY ALLOWED TO DO? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEIR AGE, YOU HAVE ALL AGES IN THERE FROM KIDS.

DO YOU HAVE CERTAIN TIMES, YOU'VE GOT CERTAIN AGE GROUPS.

I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT ONCE YOU WALK IN, WHAT ARE THE PARAMETERS AND THE GUIDELINES AND THE RULES OF THE BUSINESS? YEAH. ONCE SOMEBODY COMES TO THE FACILITY? SO ONE OF OUR BIGGER DEALS IS JUST THAT WE'RE NOT ALLOWING ALCOHOL IN THE PREMISES AT ALL.

WE'VE NOTICED THAT IT DOES BRING.

OOH, LIKE A WILD ELEMENT TO EVERYTHING.

AND IT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT OR NEED, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OUR EXPANSION EFFORTS ARE VERY CENTERED AROUND STUDENTS, WHETHER THAT'S MIDDLE SCHOOL OR COLLEGE, THAT KIND OF AGE GROUP OF PEOPLE IS JUST SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT.

WE DO HAVE A PARTNER THAT WE'RE HOPING TO WORK WITH ONCE WE KIND OF CINCH EVERYTHING DOWN HERE THAT THEY CURRENTLY WORK WITH DISD TO DO THESE KINDS OF GAMING EVENTS AND THEY DO EDUCATIONAL STUFF WITH THEM.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND PARTNER WITH THEM, AND THAT KIND OF BUILDS THAT AURA OF SAFETY, AND THAT'S DEFINITELY WHAT WE'RE DOWN FOR.

SO YEAH, ANY KID COULD DEFINITELY COME IN AT ANY AGE.

WE WOULD NEED MINORS TO BE ACCOMPANIED BY SOMEBODY, BY AN ADULT OF 18 OR OLDER IF WE CAN.

AND SO THERE'S WAIVERS AND STUFF THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TOGETHER FOR THAT KIND OF STUFF.

BUT YEAH, SO IT'S REALLY KIDS THAT ARE VERY OLD, HOPEFULLY ACCOMPANIED AND JUST ANY RANGE ABOVE THAT OF AGE AS WELL.

OTHER PARTS OF THAT FOR LIKE FOR HOW PEOPLE ACT.

WE DO HAVE A THING THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE TELL PEOPLE ABOUT BEFORE WE EVER START TOURNAMENTS.

AND I CALL IT THE GAMER CREED, AND IT'S JUST ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE RESPECTFUL TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE WITH YOU, RESPECTFUL TO OTHERS IN YOUR COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT OPPONENTS FOR YOU.

THEY'RE NOT DIRECT ADVERSARIES.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY YOUR FRIENDS, THEY'RE YOUR FELLOWSHIP.

SO YOU TREAT THEM AS SUCH.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE ALWAYS MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE KEEPING TO THAT CODE OR THAT CREED.

HOW MANY GAMING STATIONS ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE? RIGHT NOW, WE'RE SLATED TO HAVE, I THINK IT'S 12 WITH OUR ARCADE CABINETS.

IS THAT ONE PERSON PER STATION? IS THAT HOW IT WORKS. IT'S TECHNICALLY TWO PER STATION? SOME OF THEM CAN HOLD FOUR.

AND HOW MANY STAFF PEOPLE WILL BE THERE? THREE AT MINIMUM.

AND WE'RE EXPECTED TO HAVE LIKE OTHER VOLUNTEERS THAT WILL JUST WANT TO LIKE HANG OUT, THAT WILL BE TRUSTED PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW CAN ACTUALLY RUN THINGS AS WELL.

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THAT'S THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT WE COULD HELP WITH WHAT'S GOING ON.

SO YEAH, THREE AT MINIMUM, PROBABLY VOLUNTEERS JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL HANG AROUND FOR IT.

IS ALL THIS IN-HOUSE OR YOU CONNECT IT TO THE INTERNET OR IS THIS ALL HOUSED ON THIS, THE SYSTEMS INSIDE OR OPERATING AGAINST THE SCREEN FROM THE CONSOLE TO THE SCREEN.

ARE THEY INTERCONNECTED ANYWHERE OUTSIDE OF THIS BUILDING? THEY WOULD BE ON THE INTERNET, CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET.

AND SO MAJORITY OF THE TIME IT'S JUST ALL RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF PEOPLE WHERE THEY'RE SITTING AT.

THEY'RE JUST INTERACTING WITH THE PERSON RIGHT NEXT TO THEM.

FOR THE WAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME OF OUR EVENTS.

WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND WORK WITH SOME GUYS IN OKLAHOMA THAT HAVE BEEN HELPING ME BUILD OUT THE BUSINESS PLAN.

THEY HAVE A SIMILAR OPERATION OUT THERE AND THEY'VE BEEN HELPING ME BUILD THIS.

WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO ONLINE TOURNAMENTS WHERE WE CAN KIND OF DO LIKE A RIVALRY THING.

SO THERE WILL BE BOTH ONLINE AND OFFLINE STUFF.

OKAY. HOW WOULD YOU HANDLE THAT WITH MINE? WHAT DOES THE COMMUNITY HOW DOES THE COMMUNITY HANDLE ONLINE GAMING WITH MINORS? THE LONG STORY SHORT IS THAT MINORS, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, WHEN NOT GIVEN ANY CONTEXT FOR THE PEOPLE AROUND THEM, WILL BE KIND OF CRASS AND PEOPLE WILL RESPOND IN KIND.

THEY WILL ALSO BE CRASS TO MINORS.

JUST SIMPLY THE HIGH VOICE WILL KIND OF, SO TO SPEAK, TRIGGER PEOPLE.

BUT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THIS CREED IN AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE PERSON IN OKLAHOMA JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, THEY WE UNDERSTAND.

WE UNDERSTAND IT'S THE WAY THAT PEOPLE SHOULD INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER.

AND BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO FOSTER THAT, WE KNOW THAT LIKE, HEY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE MEAN TO A KID FOR WHATEVER REASON, LIKE IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO TOLERATE.

SO YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT IF A KID WERE GOING TO BE PLAYING ONLINE BY THEMSELVES DOING SOMETHING, THEN THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO MEET HER.

BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF THE KID IN THE MOMENT WAS THEM IN PERSON YELLING AT SOMEBODY ONLINE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, DON'T DO THAT EITHER.

SO.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE A WAY TO PUT PARENTAL CONTROLS ON THE CONSOLES IF THEY'RE CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET.

THERE IS A WAY FOR US TO DO THAT.

BUT THE PARENTAL CONTROLS WON'T KEEP CHILDREN FROM INTERACTING WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE BEYOND THEIR AGE.

THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO PUT IT, BECAUSE NINTENDO CONSOLES EXIST AND THEY'RE FOR KIDS FOR THE MOST PART, AND THEY CAN STILL PLAY THE GAMES ONLINE THAT ARE CONSIDERED E FOR EVERYONE. BUT THOSE ONLINE INTERACTIONS ARE KIND OF THE DIFFERENT PART.

SO ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR ME AT LEAST IS SO AS A BUSINESS MODEL DO YOU HAVE A MECHANISM WHERE YOU'RE GENERATING REVENUE FOR THE BUSINESS THAT YOU'RE CALLING COMBAT ARTS? IS THAT A REVENUE GENERATING BUSINESS? RIGHT NOW. YES.

OKAY. AND DO YOU EXPECT IT TO GROW, TOO? I DO. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING.

ANYTHING ELSE WE SHOULD KNOW? NOW, I DO NOTICE.

AND WE HAVE A LETTER FROM THE LANDOWNER.

HMM. SO YOU'VE BEEN USING THIS FACILITY ALREADY FOR YOUR BUSINESS, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT WOULD BE INCORRECT.

ALL I'VE DONE IS JUST OCCUPY THE SPACE MYSELF AND BUILT UP WHAT'S ACTUALLY THERE, THAT'S ALL.

SO ALL THESE TABLES AND EVERYTHING ARE IN THERE IN THE PICTURE THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION.

THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY ACTIVITY IN HERE YET.

THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.

I WASN'T SURE WITH THE PICTURE THAT HAD BEEN ONGOING OR NOT.

YEAH, WE WERE GOING TO SUBMIT FOR OUR CO AND THEN DO AN EVENT LIKE THREE DAYS LATER, TECHNICALLY, SO FOR WHENEVER IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE APPROVED.

SO THAT'S WHY IT LOOKS THE WAY IT DOES.

EXCELLENT. JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU HAD SAID BECAUSE YOU HAVE A PERMANENT JOB FOR THE SHORT TERM, YOU'RE GOING TO JUST BE USING THE SITE, CORRECT.

SO AND I'LL PROBABLY BE OPERATING LIKE FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY.

IT'LL BE THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY TO BE IN LINE WITH WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.

THOSE APPROXIMATE HOURS ARE SIX TO MIDNIGHT OR SOMETHING? CORRECT? YEAH.

ACTUALLY WE DO HAVE SOMETHING BUILT INTO THAT TIME AS WELL WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO SEND BASICALLY KIDS HOME AT 10 P.M..

SO LIKE THAT LAST 2 HOURS IS KIND OF LIKE THE SAME WAY THAT MAIN EVENT WOULD DO.

LIKE AFTER A CERTAIN TIME, LIKE KIDS ARE SUPPOSED TO GO HOME UNLESS ACCOMPANIED BY AN ADULT.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S ALSO BUILT INTO OUR STUFF.

YOU JUST MENTIONED WHAT YOU HAVE NOW.

WHERE IS WHAT YOU HAVE NOW? IT'S JUST STUFF LIKE THE ACTUAL EQUIPMENT AND STUFF THAT WE HAVE PERSONALLY YOU HAVE ALWAYS HAD PERSONALLY.

AND WE WORK WITH LOCAL LIKE COMPUTER GAMING BUSINESSES TO HOLD EVENTS WITH THEM.

AND SO IN THE OTHER PARTS OF THAT IS WITH LANFEST, WE GO TO LIKE A HOTEL AND WE JUST RENT THAT HOTEL OUT AND BRING OUR STUFF THERE.

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I DID HAVE ONE OTHER THING TO ADD.

I DIDN'T SAY MY BUSINESS PARTNER, BRIAN HE'S BEEN DOING THIS DIRECT WORK SINCE 2015 AND HAS DONE EVENTS THAT HAVE EITHER BEEN SPONSORED BY OR LIKE WORK DIRECTLY WITH MICROSOFT, T MOBILE, MAVS GAMING, AND THEN A COMPANY IN GEORGIA THAT HAS RECENTLY SPONSORED HIM FOR EQUIPMENT AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF TO GIVE TO THE FIGHTING GAME COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE.

AND SO, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, HE HAD ALL THAT STUFF BEFORE GOING INTO 2019 AND WAS ABLE TO CONTINUE AND GROW THAT STUFF AND CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OTHER BUSINESSES AS WELL.

SO. WE DO HAVE THAT RAPPORT WITH OTHER BIG BUSINESSES.

EXCELLENT. IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE.

THANK YOU. AND NOW AT 6:31, I'LL CLOSE OUR PUBLIC HEARING.

COMMISSIONERS ANYTHING? WES ANYTHING WE MISSED? NO I'M JUST READING THROUGH THIS AGAIN.

NO, I WOULD JUST ADD THAT IF YOU ARE CONSIDERING APPROVAL, IT MAY BE A GOOD IDEA TO ADD SOME RECOMMEND SOME CONDITIONS ON HOURS OF OPERATION.

AND ANY OTHER THING THAT YOU HAVE CONCERNS ON THAT COULD BE A WAY TO ADDRESS THE COMPATIBILITY ISSUES IF YOU ARE EVEN LEANING THAT WAY.

I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FROM STAFF'S STANDPOINT.

I KNOW HE EARNED THE INFORMATION THAT YOU SHARED WITH US AND SAID THE BUSINESS HOURS SHALL BE LIMITED TO 10 A.M.

TO 10 P.M.. THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION AND THAT'S JUST A STANDARD RECOMMENDATION WE MAKE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOURS.

IF THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS, THEN IT WOULDN'T WORK.

BUT IT MAY NOT BE A BAD IDEA TO BUILD IN SOMETHING.

SO WE KNOW IT'S NOT A.

ALL NIGHT AFFAIR.

EXACTLY. NOR OR THE MINORS NEED TO GO HOME.

HOWEVER YOU WANT TO WORD IT. AND I THINK YOU CAN I MEAN, IF YOU WORD THE CONDITION IN SUCH A WAY THAT IF YOU WANT TO SAY TO 10 P.M.

AFTER BETWEEN 10 P.M.

AND MIDNIGHT, IT HAS TO BE AN AGE OF CERTAIN.

IT'S JUST GOT TO BE SOMETHING WE CAN ENFORCE.

SO AND I CAN GET TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ENFORCE IF WE HAVE TO GET TO THAT POINT.

AND IF WE START TO HAVE PROBLEMS? I MEAN, IF THEY'RE STARTING TO BE PROBLEMS, THEN WE CAN ALWAYS FROM A, LET'S SAY POLICE OR CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE THEN IF IT'S TO THE SEVERITY, WE THINK I'VE NEVER DONE THIS IN MY CAREER BEFORE, BUT IF IT IS TO A SEVERITY THAT WE THINK IS AN ISSUE, WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE A CITY INITIATED ESSENTIALLY REVOKING THE ISSUE.

I WAS GOING TO ASK, CAN WE CALL THIS BACK AND SAY, YEAH [INAUDIBLE] ISSUES.

I WAS GOING TO I MAY PUNT TO LARRY ON THIS ONE.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK. ANY CONCERNS WITH TALKING ABOUT THAT? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.

JUST LOOKING AT THE. I.

SO WHAT DO Y'ALL I MEAN, I WAS LOOKING AT THAT WHEN YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION.

YOU BRING HE SAID HE'S NOT IN HIS EXPERIENCE HAD.

IF PROBLEM IS STARTING TO ARISE.

MY QUESTION IS CAN WE CALL BACK THIS PARTICULAR SUP OR HOW'S THAT? IF THEY START TO HAVE PROBLEMS IN TERMS OF ENFORCEMENT OR THE PROCESS FOR REVOKING THE SUP, I THINK IS WHERE THEY'RE GETTING AT.

ONCE YOU GRANT THAT, IT CAN BE TOUGH TO AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE IN VIOLATION OF IT.

SO I WOULD HAVE SOME VERY SERIOUS DISCUSSION AMONG YOURSELVES ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO PUT IN.

STATE STATUTE TOWARD A CHANGE THAT WOULD MAKE IT WHERE IT'S ILLEGAL OR YOU COULD DO SOMETHING.

SO IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY IS THAT WE CAN DO THIS.

I MEAN, CALL BACK.

NO. NO, WE CAN'T.

YOU'RE GRANTING THAT. YOU KNOW AS LONG AS RIGHT NOW WHAT YOU'RE PROVIDING FOR IS ALLOWED UNDER THE ORDINANCE.

BASICALLY HIS DECISION TO TAKE THIS BUSINESS GOING FORWARD AND WHAT YOU'RE GRANTING HIM TODAY.

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PULL THAT RUG OUT FROM UNDERNEATH.

[00:35:02]

RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST COMING WITH HIM, JUST ASKING FOR THE SUP, BUT WITH NO CONDITIONS.

IF YOU ALL WANT TO PUT CONDITIONS ON THAT, LIKE LIMITING AGE LIMITS DURING CERTAIN TIMES.

AND I WAS SITTING HERE JUST LOOKING AT THE ENVIRONMENT WHICH HE'S OPERATING IN.

THESE ARE METROPLEX IS COVERED WITH THESE.

AND YOU CAN GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT THEM AND THEY'RE.

I'M PICKING UP. [INAUDIBLE] AND ALSO LOOKED AT WHAT YOU FOUND THAT HAPPENED IN URBAN AIR LAST YEAR.

OKAY. YOU CAN OPERATE BETWEEN THESE HOURS.

MAYBE THE DISCUSSION YOU'D WANT TO HAVE WITH THE APPLICANT TO SEE WHAT WOULD WORK FOR HIS BUSINESS MODEL.

YOU CAN TABLE THIS AND HAVE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION WITH HIM ABOUT THIS.

IT'S NOT BEEN REGULATED ANYWHERE.

IT'S JUST IT'S A VERY NEW.

WELL, COULD PROBABLY COULD WE HAVE THE APPLICANT BACK FOR JUST A MOMENT? SO SHE HAD A QUESTION FIRST.

I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T KNOW WHO SHE WAS GOING TO ASK.

GO AHEAD. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT THAN, LET'S SAY, WHEN WE TELL A GROCERY STORE A BUSINESS THEY CAN'T HAVE ANY DELIVERIES BETWEEN SUCH AND SUCH HOURS? NOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I KNOW CITIES CAN DO THAT WILL SAY GROCERY STORES LIKE CENTRAL MARKET, YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY DELIVERY.

SO, I MEAN, IS THAT A RELATED PRECEDENT OR NOT? THAT'S AN EXTERNAL USE, BUT.

THAT'S A CONDITION THAT YOU PLACE ON APPROVAL.

OKAY. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE THAT I THINK KIND OF LARRY IS REFERRING TO IT.

IF THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS THAT YOU ALL HAVE AND YOU WANT TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE THOSE CONCERNS WITH ADDING IN SOME CONDITIONS, THEN WE CAN DO THAT.

AND I THINK, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT MAY BE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH BRINGING THE APPLICANT BACK UP, IS TO TRY TO DETERMINE IF THE CONCERNS YOU ALL HAVE COULD YOU CONDITION IN A WAY THAT WOULD STILL WORK FOR HIS BUSINESS? AND SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD CONVERSATION TO HAVE.

MY ONLY AND I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW THIS, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY IT ANYWAY.

IT NEEDS TO BE A REALLY HARD CONDITION AND WRITTEN IN A MANNER THAT WE CAN ENFORCE IT.

IF IT'S SOMETHING VAGUE OUT THERE, IT BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE, THUS VERY DIFFICULT TO REVOKE ANY TYPE OF PERMIT WE GRANT.

WE HAVE IS THERE ANOTHER QUESTION OVER HERE.

YEAH. WES, DO YOU KNOW OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD WHAT OTHER OPTIONS DO WE HAVE IN BEDFORD FOR ENTERTAINMENT FOR ADULTS AFTER 10:00 P.M.

WITHOUT ALCOHOL? NOTHING IS COMING TO MIND RIGHT NOW.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE NOT OUT THERE.

IT JUST MEANS AFTER 10:00, I'M USUALLY ASLEEP.

BUT, NO, NOTHING COMES TO MIND RIGHT NOW.

MR. GUY. SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO ENCAPSULATE THIS THOUGHT IS I THINK SOME OF US ARE FEELING THAT WE WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE KNOWING THAT MINORS WERE NOT OUT GAMING AFTER 10:00 WITH ADULTS IN THE SAME FACILITY . OKAY. IF THAT WAS.

AND THAT YOU REGULATE THE FACT THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SAID YOU'LL REGULATE WHAT PEOPLE BRING IN WITH THEM OR NOT.

AND YOU SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY EXTERIOR FOOD OR DRINK BROUGHT IN AND YOU'RE GOING TO SELL SNACKS OR WHATEVER INSIDE WOULD RESTRICTING THE HOURS FOR MINORS AFFECT YOUR BUSINESS ADVERSELY.

YES. AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE OF IF A TOURNAMENT GROWS REALLY BIG BEFORE WE ACTUALLY START IT, THEN IT COULD EXTEND BEYOND THOSE HOURS. AND THEN THAT MINOR WHO COULD BE SUCCEEDING IN A TOURNAMENT VERY WELL MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET TO THE ACTUAL FINAL POINT TO BE THE WINNER.

I HAVE A VERY PROFICIENT 13 YEAR OLD GRANDSON THAT WOULD PLAY THIS 24 SEVEN IF ALLOWED.

YEAH. AND THAT'S WHY WE WOULD HOPE THAT IF WE DID NEED TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN, IF WE COULD MAKE THE CAVEAT OF LIKE MAKING SURE THEY'RE ACCOMPANIED BY AN ADULT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I HOPE THAT WE COULD ADD IN THERE IF WE WANT TO DO THAT.

THAT WAS MY QUESTION TO CLARIFY THAT MAYBE THE CUTOFF COULD BE LIKE 10:00 FOR UNACCOMPANIED MINORS.

SO IF THEY HAVE TO STAY PAST 10, THEIR PARENT COULD BE THERE.

WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO STAY FOR TOURNAMENTS OR WOULD THAT BE NEGATIVE? YEAH, THAT WOULD WORK FOR SURE.

WOULD YOU SAY SOMEONE BESIDE A PARENT OR ANY LEGAL GUARDIAN OR WHAT IS APPROPRIATE?

[00:40:03]

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE TO.

LEGAL GUARDIAN IS WHERE I WAS LEANING TO IT WOULD BE PARENT. SOMEBODY LIKE THAT AND.

I'M TRYING TO ANTICIPATE IS SO THEY SHOW UP AND THAT.

OKAY. I'VE GOT A QUESTION.

YOU MENTIONED RUNNING 6 TO MIDNIGHT.

WOULD YOU NOT BE DOING ANYTHING ON WEEKENDS WHERE PEOPLE WERE OFF OR IN THE SUMMER WHERE KIDS ARE AT HOME AND AVAILABLE FROM? WELL, WE'LL RUN SOMETHING ON SATURDAY WHICH WILL HAVE EXTENDED HOURS, BUT NOT BEYOND MIDNIGHT, BUT LIKE STARTING AT NOON OR SOMETHING INSTEAD OF AT 5.

JUST BECAUSE THE ONLY REASON WHY WE'RE STARTING AT FIVE IS JUST BECAUSE OF MY DAY JOB.

SO, I MEAN, THE SHORT ANSWER WOULD ALSO JUST BE NO, THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE SOMETHING EXTENDED DURING LIKE SUMMER BREAK OR WINTER BREAK.

JUST BECAUSE MY JOB TECHNICALLY WOULDN'T ALLOW IT.

OKAY. SO I WILL SAY THIS, THOUGH, THAT IF BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT HERE IS REALLY JUST A PROOF OF CONCEPT AND ONCE IT PROVES TO ACTUALLY BE SUCCESSFUL, THEN THERE'S KIND OF AN EXPANSION IDEA THAT IS IN PLAY FOR THE FUTURE.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD INTRODUCE LATER IS JUST NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS.

SO WE WERE IF WE WERE TO SAY 10 TO MIDNIGHT FOR ADULTS AND 10 TO 10 FOR MINORS, WOULD THAT WORK FOR YOU? I BELIEVE SO.

AND PUT IN THE CAVEAT FOR ANY MINOR AFTER 10:00 WOULD HAVE TO BE ACCOMPANIED BY A LEGAL GUARDIAN.

BY GUARDIAN. THAT WAY IT DOESN'T SHUT DOWN SOME OF YOUR TOURNAMENTS.

THAT COULD WORK. ALL RIGHT.

I ADMIT, I DON'T KNOW.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SOMEONE BRINGING IN A GUN.

YEAH. HOW DO WE DO THAT? I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE STRONGER THAN.

I JUST WOULD HATE TO HAVE SOME SOME WHOLE BUNCH OF KIDS.

I'M SORRY. OF COURSE.

SO THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE TENANT, CAN PUT THE SIGN UP THAT SAID THAT NO GUNS ARE ALLOWED NOW.

THAT'S THE MOST HE CAN DO.

THAT'S A CONDITION YOU WANT TO ADD ON THIS THAT NO FIREARMS ARE ALLOWED.

YOU COULD ADD THAT. BUT THAT.

ALL IT IS TO PROVIDE THE SIGN.

IF SOMEONE WERE YEAH. AND SO IT DEPENDS ON HOW FAR YOU KNOW, I GUESS WHAT YOU COULD DO IS DO SOMETHING EQUIVALENT TO WHAT THEY DO AT SECONDARY SPORTING EVENTS IS NO WEAPONS ARE ALLOWED AT ALL WHETHER YOU HAVE A CHL OR NOT.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR APPLICANT? WHO HAS THOUGHT THROUGH THE PROCESS TO VERBALIZE ANY MOTION? I TRY TO 10 TO 12 IN ALLOWING MINORS TO BE ACCOMPANIED AFTER 10:00 P.M..

ALL RIGHT, I GUESS. DO YOU WANT THE CONDITION FOR THE GUN SIGN? IF I MAY, REAL QUICK, I'VE BEEN WRITING DOWN SOME OF THE THINGS Y'ALL HAVE TALKED ABOUT.

SO THE HOURS HAS ALREADY STATED NO WEAPONS ALLOWED AND THEN NO EXTERIOR FOOD OR DRINKS.

AND NO FIREARMS. YES. I WORD IT AS WEAPONS I CAN CHANGE IT TO FIREARMS. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IT? I WORD IT AS NO WEAPONS.

YEAH. THAT YOU SEE THAT NO GUNS ALLOWED STUFF.

[00:45:05]

AND THEN IF YOU ALL WANT TO GO BEYOND THAT.

AT NO, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO DEFINE WEAPONS, BUT I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE GOING OUT WITH KNIVES AND I THINK WE'D BE OKAY WITH FIREARMS. I DO TO. I THINK WE CAN GO DOWN AND DO ALL THAT.

BUT I THINK ADHERING TO WHAT STATE LAW PROVIDES FOR THE COMPLETE PROHIBITION OF FIREARMS IN THERE WHAT YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE.

ADD THE LANGUAGE, PUT THE STATUTORY CITATIONS IN THERE ON.

ALSO JUST AS A SMALL, LITTLE CAVEAT TO THE DETAILS, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT TIME THEY WOULD OPEN DURING THE DAY.

IF THEY DECIDED TO HAVE AN ALL DAY SATURDAY EVENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I DON'T THINK NECESSARILY THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT WHAT TIME THEY WOULD OPEN, BUT WE CERTAINLY ARE CONCERNED THAT BUSINESS CLOSES BY MIDNIGHT AND THAT MINORS ARE NOT AFTER TEN UNLESS ACCOMPANIED BY A GUARDIAN.

IS THAT I MEAN? YOU CAN DO THAT TO SAY THAT EVERYTHING WILL BE CLEARED OUT.

YEAH. I MEAN.

WE NEEDED TO. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CLOSING, DO WE NEED TO BUY RIGHT BY ROTE? TALK ABOUT OPENING HOURS UNLESS YOU WANT TO SPECIFY FOR HOW LONG THEY HAVE TO BE CLOSED.

I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A.

I KNOW. A SITUATION WHERE, WELL, WE CLOSED WE CLOSED EVERYTHING DOWN FOR 5 MINUTES.

I DON'T KNOW. AM I BEING TOO.

YEAH. I'M TRYING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT THE APPLICANT IS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

AND SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO SHUT DOWN.

AND SO I'M THINKING THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO SPECIFY IS GOING TO BE MORE THE PROHIBITIONS THAT THEY CAN RUN THIS IF YOU WANT TO ALLOW THEM TO RUN IT OR NOT. I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD TO RUN IT 24 SEVEN FOR ADULTS.

BUT MINORS ARE ONLY ALLOWED DURING THESE TIMEFRAMES.

I JUST DON'T KNOW OR FROM 5 P.M.

ON FRIDAY NIGHT TILL MIDNIGHT SUNDAY OR WHATEVER IT WOULD BE IF THEY WANT TO RUN TOURNAMENTS.

I JUST DON'T KNOW. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M THINKING AND THE APPLICANT MAY WANT TO WEIGH IN ON.

ALL I'M THINKING THE TARGET WE'RE SHOOTING AT NOW WE COULD GO TO THE TEN TO MIDNIGHT WITH MINORS AT TEN UNLESS ACCOMPANIED BY A LEGAL GUARDIAN.

SO YEAH, BUT I THINK YOU'RE MAKING A REALLY GOOD POINT, THOUGH, AND MAYBE YOU CAN GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT.

I GUESS WITH THESE TOURNAMENTS TO YOUR POINT, SOMETIMES THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'VE PAID MONEY INTO A TOURNAMENT AND THERE'S SOMETHING WHERE THEY'RE COMPETING NATIONALLY, YOU DON'T ALWAYS HAVE LIKE IT ENDS AT 12 AND WE ALL WALK OUT.

SO WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD DISRUPT THE BUSINESS AND YOU HAVE A CUTOFF AT 12, OR IS THAT REALISTIC THAT THEY COULD ACTUALLY WALK OUT OF THERE BY 12 IF YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TOURNAMENT? I THINK THAT I THINK THE IDEA OF HAVING LIKE NO MINORS BETWEEN OR BEFORE 8 A.M.

AND THEN AFTER 10 P.M.

OR AFTER 10 P.M., I THINK THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT AND I THINK THAT WOULD COVER EVERYTHING WE COULD POSSIBLY DO.

AND THAT WOULD JUST ALSO MEAN THAT NO KID COULD BE UP AT 5:00 IN THE MORNING IF WE HAPPEN TO BE OPEN AT THAT TIME AND JUST WALK IN, THEY WOULD NEED TO BE ACCOMPANIED BY AN ADULT AT THAT TIME.

IF WE WANT TO RUN IT LIKE THAT, I THINK THAT COULD PROBABLY WORK WELL.

BUT IF I HEAR YOU ARE SAYING IF YOU ARE HAVING A TOURNAMENT ON THE WEEKEND, THERE IS A CHANCE YES. JUST FOR THE WAY WE DO HAVE IT STRUCTURED, WE'RE HOPING TO KIND OF HAVE TOURNAMENTS WRAPPED UP BY TEN.

BUT LIKE I SAID, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THAT TOURNAMENT GOT REALLY POPULATED.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD 100 PLUS PEOPLE IN THERE TRYING TO DO STUFF.

IT COULD GO A LITTLE LONGER THAN MIDNIGHT.

YEAH, IT IS POSSIBLE.

NOT SOMETHING WE'RE TARGETING.

JUST BECAUSE I SAID WE'RE TRYING TO TARGET THAT FOR THE ENDING TOURNAMENT AT TEN.

BUT YEAH, THEY DON'T USUALLY LAST THAT LONG.

I'M ALSO HEARING YOU MAY HAVE MINORS THAT WANT TO PLAY IN THESE TOURNAMENTS.

CORRECT. BUT IF THEY DO AT YOUR FACILITY, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ACCOMPANIED BY A LEGAL GUARDIAN TO SIT THERE WITH THEM?

[00:50:01]

REGARDLESS OF THE HOURS.

CORRECT. AND THAT'S MOSTLY JUST BECAUSE OF IF WE DO HAPPEN TO GO BEYOND TEN, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ACCOMPANIED ANYWAY.

NOW, I'D BE THE SAFEST ROUTE FOR THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY COULD CONTINUE TO PLAY IN THE TOURNAMENT.

AND IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BRING A GUARDIAN OF SOME KIND, AND THAT WOULD JUST MEAN THAT THEY HAVE TO DIP OUT OF THE TOURNAMENT EARLY OR LEAVE THE TOURNAMENT EARLY. AND WE'VE WORKED WITH THAT BEFORE.

SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S UNPRECEDENTED FOR WHAT WE'VE DONE.

WELL, I GOING TO SAY I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH LEAVING PARAMETERS WHERE A BUSINESS CAN BE OPEN 24 HOURS.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S A I DON'T THINK THAT'S A ROAD THAT I WOULD PERSONALLY WANT TO GO DOWN OR ANY BUSINESS IN TOWN NECESSARILY THAT WAS AN ESSENTIAL ACTIVITY FOR 24 HOURS.

I THINK MIDNIGHT IS PLENTY GOOD ENOUGH.

BUT WES IS APPROACHING.

YEAH. IF I COULD, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE COULD REALLY BE HERE ALL NIGHT TALKING ABOUT THIS.

WHAT LARRY AND I WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.

SO I FEEL LIKE BETWEEN LARRY AND I, WE HAVE KIND OF A GOOD UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHERE THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE FOR THIS TO LAND, MAYBE.

WOULD YOU ALL BE INTERESTED IN TABLING IT, ALLOWING STAFF TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO COME UP WITH SOME REAL HARD CONDITIONS, AND THEN WE COULD BRING IT BACK AT YOUR NEXT MEETING. YOU'VE CONDUCTED YOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING ON IT, AND THAT WAY WE COULD TRY TO HELP YOU ALL KIND OF MOVE FORWARD INSTEAD OF DO THIS HERE. I'M NOT SURE THIS IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE PLACE.

IS THE APPLICANT WILLING TO WAIT THAT LONG.

I MEAN, IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE TWO WEEKS.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING IN TWO WEEKS? I SUSPECT WE WILL. WE HAVE ONE ON THE SCHEDULE.

WE'VE GONE SINCE JULY FOR.

OCTOBER 13TH WOULD BE THE NEXT MEETING.

HARDLY THAT'S TWO WEEKS.

THAT'S A BUSY WEEKEND FOR ME.

MY GOODNESS. THOUGHTS? I MEAN, WE CAN DO IT, HOWEVER THE COMMISSION WOULD PLEASE, BUT THAT'S INSTEAD OF DOING IT HERE, IT'S SOMETIMES DIFFICULT TO WRITE OUT THESE CONDITIONS.

AND. SHE MADE A MOTION NOW, HOW DO WE BACKTRACK ON IT? IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SECOND THAT AND MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT, Y'ALL CAN DO THAT OR IF SHE'S COMFORTABLE SAYING I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION TO ALLOW STAFF TO WORK OUT THE CONDITIONS, WE CAN DO THAT TOO.

OTHERWISE IF THERE'S NO SECOND, IT DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND.

AND THERE IS NO MOTION ON TODAY.

SURE. ALL RIGHT.

IT'S HOWEVER Y'ALL. I'M NOT TRYING TO PUSH Y'ALL INTO SOMETHING.

I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU SOME OPTIONS.

YOU GUYS WANT TO WITHDRAW. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, WITHDRAW THE MOTION.

I THINK HERE WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE DON'T HAVE ANY REAL CITY REGULATIONS ARE ALREADY CODIFIED CONDITIONS THAT WE COULD AUTOMATICALLY APPROVE OR ATTACH TO THIS.

SO I THINK WOULD BE WILLING TO TABLE THIS ITEM FOR STAFF AND LEGAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CONDITIONS FOR THIS AMUSEMENT USE. AND I THINK YOU CAN SEE WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOMETHING WORKED OUT TO GET YOU IN BUSINESS THERE.

YOU ARE KIND OF ON A CUTTING EDGE SITUATION.

SO WE WANT TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO BENEFIT YOUR BUSINESS AT THE SAME TIME AND PUT OUT SOME BOUNDARIES UPON THIS NEWFOUND BUSINESS TYPE.

RIGHT? YEAH.

I MOVE THAT WE SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

ALL RIGHT IT PASSES WE WILL TABLE THIS ITEM TO THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING.

WAITING FOR STAFF AND LEGAL RECOMMENDATIONS ON LIMITATIONS.

ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? I'LL TAKE ANOTHER MOTION.

OH. OH.

BUT THANK YOU, MR. GUY, FOR COMING. I HOPE THAT THIS WAS HELPFUL.

AND MAYBE AS YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR BUSINESS PLAN TOGETHER, TOO, MAYBE THIS IS SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WILL HELP YOU WITH PROVIDING THINGS TO THE PUBLIC THAT THE WE'LL HELP THEM SO.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

[00:55:01]

[UPDATE ON PLANNING PROJECTS]

WHAT I DID IS I JUST HIGHLIGHTED THE CHANGES THAT HAD HAPPENED SINCE YOUR LAST UPDATE, SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE JUST A FEW HIGHLIGHTS.

MURPHY EXPRESS IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION SPLATTER AND SMASH, WHICH IS ANOTHER INDOOR AMUSEMENT CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AND STAFF IS WAITING ON THEM TO SUBMIT THEIR BUILDING PERMIT FOR IMPROVEMENTS.

NICOLE COURT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.

WE ACTUALLY HAD A MEETING.

OUR EMAILS HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH TO SCHEDULE A MEETING REGARDING THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THE PRELIMINARY DRAINAGE SITUATION THERE.

AND THEN WOODLAND SPRINGS WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL AND WE ARE WAITING THE APPLICANT TO MAKE THE NEXT APPLICATION, WHICH IS PRELIMINARY PLAT.

EXCELLENT. THANK YOU, SIR, FOR THAT.

THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.

ANYTHING ELSE COMMISSIONERS.

MOVE WE ADJOURN.

SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF LETTING WES GO HOME.

THANK YOU, FOLKS. [LAUGHTER]

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.