[CALL TO ORDER/GENERAL COMMENTS]
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IT'S SIX O'CLOCK I'D LIKE TO WALK THE BEDROOM, THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, LET'S START OFF WITH THIS TASK.
AND WE COME TO YOU ASKING FOR YOUR BLESSING AND HELP US PUT TOGETHER.
WE PRAY FOR MATTERS AT HAND, AND THAT'S THE THING.
YOU WOULD CLEARLY SHOW US HOW TO CONDUCT OUR WORK WITH THE SPIRIT OF JOY AND GIVE US THE DESIRE TO FIND WAYS TO HELP US WORK TOGETHER AND IMPROVE EXCELLENCE.
WE ASKED THAT WE WOULD CHALLENGE EACH OTHER TO REACH HIGHER AND FARTHER TO BE THE BEST THAT WE CAN BE.
WE ASKED THIS IN THE NAME OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.
UM, JUST HAS A LITTLE TOUCH OF THE FLU.
BUT HE CALLED ME AND ASKED ME THIS UP FRONT OF THE NIGHT THAT HE'D BE SHOT.
[PRESENTATIONS]
FIRST PRESENTATION COMING, CULTURAL ARTS PROGRAM EVENTS.WE'RE PUTTING THAT OFF UNTIL JANUARY THE MAYOR TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT PRESENTATION.
AND SO WE SUBSTITUTED FOR HIM NEXT UP, JIMMY WILL BE TELLING US ABOUT GENERATIONS PARK OPERATIONS.
UM, VERY, VERY EXCITING PROJECT.
IT IS STILL SCHEDULING AND IT WILL END THAT WAY IN BOTH RESPECTS, BUT WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE THE PROJECT IS EXPECTED TO BE DONE AROUND OCTOBER.
YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE FIELDS WILL BE DONE BEFORE THEN, BUT WE WANT TO LET THE FIELD AND EVERYTHING KIND OF MATURE BEFORE WE OPEN THEM UP.
BUT WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE NEED TO REALLY FOCUS ON OPERATING IN A FACILITY.
IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, BUT WE REALLY IN TERMS OF ORDERING EQUIPMENT STAFFING UP AND WHAT HAVE YOU, WE NEED TO REALLY FOCUS ON THE NEXT STEP WITH THAT BEING SAID.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE TOLD CAPSULE ABOUT IS THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR APPROACHING IT IN TERMS OF AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, BEFORE MY TIME, BUT, UH, ABOUT A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF AGO, THERE WAS A PROFORMA DONE BY A FIRM TO BASICALLY LOOK AT, OKAY, WHAT IS IT GOING TO COST TO OPERATE GENERATION'S PARK OR THE ACTUAL CENTER AS WELL AS THE AQUATIC CENTER.
AND SO BASICALLY WHAT, WHAT THE NUMBER THAT WAS ARRIVED AT WAS, UM, AND I'M GOING TO READ SOME OF IT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE OUT ANY DETAILS, BUT, UM, $2,671,188.
SO THAT IS THE ESTIMATED ANNUAL COSTS TO OPERATE THE AQUATIC CENTER, AS WELL AS THE CENTER, WHICH IS LIKE THE REC CENTER.
THE PROJECTED REVENUE IS $1,764,135.
SO THE NET COST, IF THE CITY WERE TO OPERATE THE CENTER AND THE AQUATIC CENTER WOULD BE $907,053.
AND THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, AT OPEN NOW AS TIME WENT ON, WHETHER THERE WERE MORE OR LESS MEMBERSHIPS THAT WOULD, UH, OBVIOUSLY DICTATE, YOU KNOW, THE REVENUE STREAMS, UM, IF WE RENTED MORE ROOMS THAN WE EXPECTED, IF WE HAD MORE DAILY PASSES, BUT YOU COULD GET INTO THE MINUTIA ABOUT ALL OF THAT.
SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT WHAT THE PERFORMER WITH THE EXPERTS SUGGEST OR RECOMMEND WHAT TO, WHAT THEIR PROJECTIONS ARE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS, AND JUST TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, UM, THE FINAL YEAR OF THE BRAC, THE TOTAL EXPENSES WERE 1 MILLION, $276,394.
AND THE REVENUE WAS JUST OVER 710,000.
SO THE TOTAL COST TO THE CITY WAS $566,217.
SO THIS WILL BE ABOUT $340,000 MORE, BUT
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OBVIOUSLY IT'S A LOT BIGGER CENTER, UH, NEWER, ET CETERA, THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN CHARGED WITH AND THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH BASED ON SOME OF THEIR GOALS ARE TO OBVIOUSLY PROVIDE THE BEST SERVICES TO THE RESIDENTS AT THE MOST EFFICIENT PRICE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BEST SERVICE, BEST PRICE.AND SO ONE OF THE GROUPS THAT WE'VE TALKED TO, OR THE PRIMARY GROUP THAT WE'VE TALKED TO IS THE YMCA.
NOW THE YMC HAS A LOT OF PUBLIC PARTNERSHIPS WITH, UH, CITIES, UM, AROUND THE AREA.
AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, NATIONWIDE, THEY HAVE THOSE, BUT THE GREATER FORT WORTH YMCAS, THE GROUP THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH.
AND SO BASICALLY WE'RE AT THE POINT TO WHERE I WANTED TO BRING IT TO COUNCIL AND FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION TO LOOK AT, OKAY, DO WE CONTINUE TO EVALUATE THIS POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIP? AND, UM, AS REQUESTED, WE PURPOSELY PUT IT ON THE AGENDA TO ONLY BE A DISCUSSION BECAUSE THE INTENT IS NOT TO ENTER INTO ANY TYPE OF DISCUSSION HASTILY.
AND WE'VE BEEN VETTING THIS AND LOOKING AT IT FOR A LONG TIME, BUT IT'S GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE IT MAKES ENOUGH SENSE FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE TO INTRODUCE IT TO, UH, THE FULL MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE, THE ONLY WAY WE CAN BRIEF EVERYONE IS PUBLICLY.
AND, UH, SO I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO FEEL LIKE ANYONE'S LATE TO THE GAME.
SO THAT BEING SAID, IF THE YMC, IF THE YMCAS WERE TO OPERATE AND SOME OF THE YMC REPRESENTATIVES ARE HERE TONIGHT, I TOLD THEM, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY'D BE CALLED ON, BUT IF, IF THERE IS THAT INTEREST FROM MAYOR PRO TIMBER COUNCIL, THEY'RE HERE NOW, IF THE WINE, SO JUST TO KIND OF SUM UP AND I WON'T DO ALL THE NUMBERS, THE NET COST, IF THE CITY OPERATES, IT IS $917,000.
SO 9 0 7 0 5 3, IF THE YMCA WERE TO OPERATE IT, IT WOULD INVOLVE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF BEDFORD AND THE YMC WITH DELIVERABLES.
WE'D BE, YOU KNOW, WE ULTIMATELY, THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE DAY-TO-DAY, THE MAINTENANCE, THE UPKEEP, EVERYTHING, BUT IT WOULD STILL BE A CITY FACILITY AND THE CITY WOULD HAVE, UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE WORKED OUT IN THE DETAILS THAT WOULD COME TO COUNCIL.
THINGS LIKE THE ABILITY TO USE ROOMS AT CERTAIN TIMES, YOU KNOW, JUST WHATEVER'S WORKED OUT.
UM, BUT THAT BEING THE CASE, UH, F Y C OPERATED IT, THE TOTAL EXPENSES WOULD BE 2.3, SIX, 9,000.
SO ABOUT 2.4 MILLION, AND THEN THE REVENUE WOULD BE 2.07 MILLION.
AND SO THE NET COST TO THE CITY WOULD BE $298,000.
SO BASICALLY IF YOU JUST LOOK AT IT FROM A COST STANDPOINT, THAT YMC WOULD OPERATE THE ENTIRE FACILITY IN THE AQUATIC CENTER, AND THE CITY WOULD SAVE JUST UNDER $700,000 A YEAR.
NOW, IF THE YMCAS ATTRACTS AS MANY MEMBERS, AS THEY THINK BASED ON OTHER FACILITIES, THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTION WOULD CONTINUE TO DECREASE TO THE POINT WHERE WE MIGHT NOT HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING QUITE FRANKLY, BUT THAT'S AGAIN, TIED TO MEMBERSHIPS NOW IN FULL DISCLOSURE, IF THE CITY OPERATED IT AND WE GOT A LOT MORE MEMBERSHIPS, THEN IT WOULD ALSO DECREASE THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTION.
SO, BUT RIGHT ON DAY ONE, BASED ON THE PROJECTIONS FROM YMCAS AND THE PROFORMA, THE CITY WOULD SAVE JUST UNDER $700,000.
NOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MONTHLY RATES, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE, PART OF THE BEAUTY FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD OF A CITY FACILITY IS WE WANT TO MAKE IT WHERE IT'S ATTAINABLE AND USABLE BY OUR RESIDENTS.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO ATTRACT, UH, NON-RESIDENTS TO HELP PAY FOR OUR AMENITY, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE AN AMENITY THAT EVERYONE CAN AFFORD, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AND SO I WON'T GO OVER ALL THE RIGHTS, BUT WHAT I'LL TELL YOU IS I'LL GIVE SOME OF THE MORE POPULAR RATES, AND THIS IS A PUBLIC DOCUMENT.
WE'LL SHARE IT WITH ANYONE, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO PUT EVERYONE TO SLEEP.
BUT, UM, BASICALLY THE YMCA, IF YOU LOOK AT, SAY AN ADULT, A RESIDENT OF BEDFORD THAT JUST WANTS TO GO IN AND GET A MONTHLY RATE, WE HAVE ANNUAL RATES AND DAILY RATES, BUT THE YMCA STRUCTURE IS A MONTHLY RATE.
SO YOU'RE NOT COMMITTED FOR A YEAR IF YOU ONLY WANT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONTHS.
AND SO I'M ONLY COMPARING MONTH TO MONTH FOR BEDFORD VERSUS Y YMCA.
UM, IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT AND ADULT RESIDENT IN BEDFORD AND YOU WANT TO GET A MONTHLY MEMBERSHIP, IT'S RIGHT AROUND $49.
AND I SAY RIGHT AROUND $49, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A SET MONTHLY RATE FOR THE AQUATIC CENTER.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE DAILY RATE WE HAVE FOR THE REC CENTER, IT TAKES ABOUT THREE DAYS OF DAILY RATE TO EQUAL A MONTHLY RATE.
SO THIS COULD FLUCTUATE BY ONE OR 2%, BUT I DIGRESS.
SO IN ADULT RATE FOR BEDFORD RESIDENT WOULD BE $49 A Y YMCA MONTHLY RATE FOR, UM, UH, BEDFORD RESIDENT ADULT WOULD BE $38.
SO YOU'D SAVE $11 A MONTH, ABOUT 130 BUCKS A YEAR.
NOW IN ADULT NON-RESIDENT WOULD BE, UH, FOR BEDFORD RATES WOULD BE $75 A MONTH FOR YMCA WOULD BE $48 A MONTH.
SO AT $27 MONTHLY SAVINGS, UM, FAMILY, AND I CAN GO OVER MORE MARIN COUNTY MAYOR, PROCUREMENT COUNCIL, IF YOU WANT, BUT I'M JUST HITTING THE HIGHLIGHTS.
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A BEDFORD FAMILY BASED ON BEDFORD RATES, IT'D BE $94 A MONTH.YMCAS MONTHLY RATES WOULD BE $62 A MONTH.
SO THE AVERAGE BEDFORD FAMILY OR ANY BEDFORD FAMILY WOULD SAVE $32 A MONTH OR AROUND 300 8300 $90 A YEAR.
BASED ON MY AGGIE MATH NOW A NON-RESIDENT FAMILY FOR BEDFORD RATES WOULD BE $120 A MONTH FOR YMCA MONTHLY RATES FOR A NON-RESIDENT FAMILY WOULD BE $77.
SO, UM, THEY WOULD SAVE $43 A MONTH, SO ALMOST $500.
SO, UM, AND THEN, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S INTRIGUING IS, AND THIS IS THE LAST BRACKET AND I'LL, I'LL QUIT GOING OVER TO THE, ALL THE STATS.
IF YOU'RE A SENIOR CITIZEN IN BEDFORD, NOW THEY HAVE DIFFERENT RATES.
IF IT'S A SENIOR, A COUPLE, BUT IT'S JUST AN INDIVIDUAL SENIOR CITIZEN RESIDENT, THE BEDFORD RATES, IF THE BEDFORD OPERATES IT BASED ON THE PERFORMER IS $41 A MONTH.
WHY YMCA IT'S $30 A MONTH? SO IT'S A SAVINGS OF $11 A MONTH NOW.
AND SENIOR NON-RESIDENT FOR BEDFORD RATES AT $62 AND YMC HAS $38.
NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S ATTRACTIVE ABOUT THE AMCA, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO STACK THE DECK, I JUST DON'T WANT TO LEAVE ANYTHING OUT BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME FEATURES THAT ARE ATTRACTIVE THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO OUR INTEREST IN DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YMC OFFERS IS SILVER SNEAKERS, UH, IN TERMS OF PROCESSING MEMBERSHIP RATES THROUGH, UH, LIKE DIFFERENT INSURANCE COMPANIES, SILVER SNEAKERS, THERE ARE SOME OTHER SIMILAR NAMES, BUT WHAT IT DOES BASICALLY IS IT PROVIDES A FREE MEMBERSHIP TO THE CENTER AND THE AQUATIC CENTER FOR SENIOR CITIZENS, WHETHER THEY LIVE IN BEDFORD OR NOT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY DOESN'T OFFER.
AND CANDIDLY, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO OFFER, BUT, UM, I KNOW THE CITIES I'VE TALKED WITH, THEY DON'T OFFER IT.
SO THAT BEING SAID, UM, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY MORE ATTRACTED TO SENIOR CITIZENS.
NOW, THE THING THAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS REALLY UNVEIL IT AND SEE IF MAYOR, MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNCIL WOULD LIKE US TO CONTINUE WITH DUE DILIGENCE.
AND JUST TO KIND OF LET YOU KNOW, WHAT WE ENVISION THAT TO BE IS, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, AT FIRST BLUSH IT APPEARS THAT THE PROGRAMMING THAT WE WERE PROVIDING VERSUS THE PROGRAMMING, WHY YMCA PROVIDES MORE PROGRAMMING THAN WE WERE PREVIOUSLY PROVIDING.
NOW THAT'S BASED ON THE BRAC, THIS IS A BIGGER FACILITY, BUT IF YOU JUST LOOK AT WHAT WAS BEING DONE, WHAT'S PROPOSED TO BE DONE.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY ANY OF THE SENIORS THAT TAKE PART IN OUR PROGRAMS, OBVIOUSLY ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT IS INTERESTED IN TALKING ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S KIND OF A CAFETERIA PLAN ON HOW WE COULD APPROACH IT.
WE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF SUCCESSFUL SEAT IN YOUR PROGRAMS THAT Y MCA, UH, HAS OBVIOUSLY, BUT THERE'S ALSO THE POSSIBILITY TO HAVE A HYBRID PROGRAM TO WHERE THE OBS WOULD BE FOR CERTAIN SENIOR PROGRAMS, BUT LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, DANCES AND OTHER STUFF, COULD WE YMCAS? WE DON'T NEED TO DECIDE TONIGHT, BUT PART OF IT IS WE WANT TO COME BACK NEXT MONTH, ASSUMING COUNCIL WANTS US TO CONTINUE VETTING IT AND, AND LOOK AT SIDE-BY-SIDE.
IF WE DO THIS, WE GET THIS, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT HAVE YOU, AND I'LL QUIT TALKING, BUT I KNOW IT'S, I KNOW IT'S A BIG DEAL.
UM, AND IT IMPACTS EVERYONE FINANCIALLY, LOGISTICALLY, SO I'LL QUIT TALKING, BUT, UM, I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
WHAT DID YOU BASE THE NUMBERS ON? HOW MANY, HOW MANY MEMBERS THE YMCA BASED THERE'S ON 2300? UM, I DON'T, AND I APOLOGIZE.
I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING AN EXACT MEMBERSHIP LEVEL FOR THE PROFORMA.
UM, COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? I DO THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
I, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME IT SAVES MONEY, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.
EVEN IF WE REJECT IT IN THE LONG RUN.
UM, MR. GAGLIARDI, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, I GUESS IT'S MORE OF A STATEMENT.
UM, SO NOT THAT I'M STIRRING UP ANYTHING FROM THE PAST, BUT SO I, AS A CITIZEN DID NOT VOTE FOR THE $70 MILLION BOND.
UM, AND ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS WHO, UH, LIKE WHO ARE WE COMPETING WITH? AND YOU LOOK AT THESE RATES AND YOU LOOK AT THE COST TO THE CITY, AND IT'S SORT OF, WE'RE SORT OF STUCK IN THE CORNER NOW, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE HOW ARE WE COMPETING WITH THESE GYMS THAT CHARGE $10 A MONTH? I MEAN, I BELIEVE IT MAY HAVE BEEN AT THE TIME, COUNCILMAN BOYTER MENTIONED WHY DON'T WE COULD JUST BUY EVERYONE A 24 HOUR FITNESS MEMBERSHIP, WHICH THANK GOODNESS HE DIDN'T BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE BUSINESS, BUT WE WOULD HAVE LOST ALL THAT MONEY.
SO, SO I MEAN, I I'M LEANING TOWARDS, UH, IT THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO SAVE THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY TO SAVE AS LONG AS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME CONTROL ON IT AND WE CAN, IT'S JUST, WE'RE JUST IN A SITUATION TO WHERE THAT THE MAIN, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO SAY THAT, AND
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THEY HAVE A HISTORY OF OPERATING MULTIPLE FACILITIES.AND, AND FROM THAT, I, I MET AND SPOKE WITH HIM A FEW TIMES AND THEY, THEY ALL SEEM VERY NICE AND KNOWLEDGEABLE.
AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU TURN AWAY THAT KIND OF MONEY.
I MEAN, CAUSE ALREADY WHO'S, I MEAN, WHO'S PAYING, I MEAN EVEN $38 A MONTH AND THAT'S BASED ON 2300 PEOPLE, UM, UH, UH, HOW MANY, UH, HOW MANY MEMBERS DO WE DID WE HAVE AT THE OLD BRAC? LET'S NOT GO THERE.
WELL, SO, SO, SO I MEAN SOME OF THESE NUMBERS, I MEAN, THERE'S JUST, THEY'RE JUST UNFORTUNATE, BUT WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THEM? SO WE GOT TO, YOU KNOW, I THINK TEAMING UP WITH SOMEBODY TO SAVE SOME BIG BUCKS IS A WAY TO GO MS. UH, COUNCIL, WOMAN SET COVER.
I THINK WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT IT'S MORE THAN JUST THE MEMBERSHIP OF A GYM THAT GIVES THEM OPPORTUNITY FOR SWIMMING.
THE AQUATICS AND I TOO HAD RESERVATIONS DID NOT VOTE FOR THIS PROJECT.
HOWEVER, UH, AND ALSO THERE'S A COMPONENT TO IT.
AND I, AND I DIDN'T VOTE FOR THE HOT TUB, BUT, BUT THERE IS ONE, SO A BIG ONE, A BIG ONE, A REAL BIG ONE.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT MORE TO THIS THAN JUST MEMBERSHIP TO A GYM.
AND ALTHOUGH I THINK BEDFORD HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB IN OFFERING, UH, PROGRAMMING FOR OUR CITIZENS AND OUR SENIORS.
THIS IS FAR BEYOND THE RE REACH AND THE SCOPE OF THE CITY, GIVING THE CITIZENS AND THE RESIDENTS MUCH MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR PROGRAMMING.
THEN WE HAVE THE CAPACITY OF THE HANDLE.
SO I'M INTERESTED IN MOVING FORWARD WITH, UH, LOOKING INTO THIS FURTHER.
THANK YOU, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER KOGAN.
UM, FOR ME, YOU CAN'T IGNORE, UM, $600,000 PLUS IN SAVINGS FOR, UH, FOR THE CITY.
UH THAT'S, THAT'S JUST ITEM NUMBER ONE RIGHT THERE OFF THE BAT.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS ALSO FOR THE ABILITY FOR SENIORS.
I KNOW SENIORS CAME UP TO ME, I'M WORRIED.
THEY WERE WORRIED THE FACT THAT, UH, THIS NEW CENTER, ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT? CAUSE RIGHT NOW I THINK CURRENTLY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UH, FOR THE BRACA WAS $10, UH, FOR, FOR MEMBERSHIP.
UH, NOW TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THESE, THESE PROGRAMS THAT SILVER SNEAKERS AND THE RENEW ACTIVE, UM, OPENS UP SOME DOORS FOR THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN WITH THIS MEMBERSHIP FOR FREE.
UM, SO I THINK THIS IS PHENOMENAL, UH, GIVING THEM THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
UM, I WILL ASK THAT, UM, WE EDUCATE OUR SENIORS, EVERYONE WHO WAS A MEMBER I'D LIKE TO SEE THE CITY REACH OUT TO THEM, TO EDUCATE, EDUCATE THEM ABOUT THESE PROGRAMS SO THAT THEY CAN TAKE PART OF THEM BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO MISS THE BOAT ON THAT.
UM, ALSO, UH, ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THAT, UM, BIG CONCERN IS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE ACCESS TO THIS BUILDING WHENEVER WE NEED IT.
UM, SO OBVIOUSLY THE DETAILS NEED TO BE IRONED OUT.
UM, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, IN THIS AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY, UH, SINCE IT IS OUR FACILITY TO USE IT WHENEVER WE NEED IT TO BE.
SO WITH THAT, UM, I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF PURSUING THIS FURTHER.
SO I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE OTHER CITIES WHO CURRENTLY DO THIS, WHO HAVE COLLABORATED WITH THE Y? YES.
WHICH CITIES ARE THOSE? UM, FORT WORTH BENBROOK? UH, JOSHUA, I'M SORRY.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE AND SO THEY KNOW IT'S A WELL-OILED MACHINE.
UM, AND THEN MY QUESTION IS IN THIS FAMILY COST, IS THAT, IS THERE A CERTAIN NUMBER THAT IS A FAMILY, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE SOME COUPLES WHO DON'T HAVE CHILDREN, BUT THERE ARE FAMILY.
UM, AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE FIVE CHILDREN AND THEY ARE A FAMILY.
SO WHAT'S THE, WHAT ARE THE DETAILS OF THAT? YEAH.
UM, IT'S, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
AND THIS ONE IS A LITTLE BIT, THIS ONE, I'LL JUST TELL YOU TWO ADULTS AND I JUST, AND I'M GOING TO READ IT BECAUSE IT'S WHY MCA GUIDELINES.
I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK TO ADULTS IN ANY TAX DEPENDENT CHILDREN LIVING IN THE HOUSEHOLD UP TO AGE 19, OR THE OTHER DEFINITION OF IS TWO ADULTS OR ONE ADULT WITH ANY TAX DEPENDENT CHILDREN AND THE HOUSEHOLD UP TO AGE 19.
AND SO IF SOMEONE HAS A MEMBERSHIP, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE GYM AND THE POOL OR WILL THE POOL IT'S COMBINED? YES.
I MEAN, IT'S COMBINED IN OUR RATE STRUCTURE AS WELL.
AND JUST TO REALLY STRESS THAT, YOU
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KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A MONTHLY AQUATIC CENTER RATE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE MONTHLY RATE FOR THE REC CENTER IS, IT'S ROUGHLY EQUAL TO THREE DAILY RATES.AND SO THAT WAS THE SAME FORMULA THAT WAS USED TO CALCULATE THE AQUATIC RATE FOR FA FOR A MONTHLY BASIS.
THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS I HAD.
THANK YOU, MS. MENDEZ, MR. I WAS, UM, WONDERING AS WE, I LIKE THE IDEA AND IF WE MOVE AHEAD ON IT, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THE PUBLIC INPUT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET ENOUGH RESPONSE TO THIS, ESPECIALLY THE SENIORS.
AND THERE'S A COUPLE AND WE'RE OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTIONS, BUT WE'RE SPECIFICALLY GOING TO REACH OUT TO THE SENIORS AND WE'RE OBVIOUSLY TO MEET WITH ANYONE PUBLIC WISE, IF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PLAN IS TO HAVE IT ON, I MEAN, IN JANUARY, ASSUMING THAT WE'VE GOT ENOUGH INFORMATION AND COUNCILS AT LEAST RATE DISCUSS, EVEN IF YOU WANT TO WAIT TO VOTE AND WE CAN DO A BIG MARKETING MEDIA BLITZ, LETTING EVERYONE KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE DISCUSSED AT THE MEAN, AND OBVIOUSLY THEY CAN COME IN DISCUSS IT.
AND WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT WE'RE OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTIONS IF Y'ALL KNOW OF ANY OTHER WAYS TO GET PUBLIC INPUT.
UM, I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY THAT WORKED ON THIS.
I THINK IT WAS A SMALL COMMITTEE WAS AT THE MAYOR AND, UM, MS. CULVER AND DR.
GAGLIARDI ALL PARTICIPATED IN THEN OF COURSE, STAFF, UH, DID A LOT OF WORK ON THIS.
IT'S, UM, IT'S A HUGE SAVINGS.
I KNOW, UH, WHEN THIS FIRST CAME FORWARD WITH THE PERFORMER THAT THEY PRESENTED PROBABLY ABOUT TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO, OUR JAWS ALL DROPPED BECAUSE WE THOUGHT, OH MY GOSH, WHAT HAVE WE BOUGHT INTO HERE? SO THIS IS IF IT WORKS OUT, THIS IS QUITE A RELIEF FOR ALL OF US, UM, BECAUSE THE COSTS WERE KIND OF SCARY AT THE TIME.
SO I DO APPRECIATE YOU THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX AND BEING PROACTIVE AND, UM, I'M, WE'RE PLEASED TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN NEXT WINTER.
UM, IT'S SOMEWHAT GERMANE TO THE MONTHLY RATES.
THEY ALSO, THE YMCA HAS A PROGRAM TO WHERE, AND I DON'T KNOW THE FORMULA, BUT IF YOU'RE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE A FINANCIAL NEED, THEN THEY OFFER A DISCOUNT OF UP TO 55%.
AND SO, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE MEMBERSHIP IS GOOD AT ANY YMCAS.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
SO HOW WILL THAT BE DETERMINED IF SOMEONE IS FINANCIALLY CAPABLE TO PAY THESE RATES OR NOT? UM, I KNOW I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE PRICING JUST MYSELF AND, UM, THEY'RE A LITTLE PRICEY CONSIDERING JUST, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE 27 YEARS LEFT TO PAY ON THIS WITH OUR 3.2, UM, SINCE ON THE TAX RATE.
SO I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT DEAL.
I KNOW WE'RE GETTING GREAT SAVINGS.
UM, BUT I THINK IT'S STILL A LITTLE PRICEY, BUT ALSO HOW WILL THEY DETERMINE WHO'S FINANCIALLY CAPABLE FOR THESE RATES? MAYBE PRETEND IF Y'ALL WOULD ALLOW A YMC REPRESENTATIVE.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE FORMULA BECAUSE IT'S PROPRIETARY, BUT I DON'T, OR Y'ALL CAN SOMEONE ASSUMING IT'S OKAY WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS, SARAH, COME ON DOWN.
UM, AND BE SURE AND GIVE US YOUR NAME.
WE DON'T NEED THE ADDRESS ANYMORE.
WE JUST NEED YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
UH, I'M MIKE BROWN WITH THE YMCA AND THIS IS JESSICA BRUDER AND EDRICK MARTIN.
SO I THINK YOU ASKED ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTIONS THAT I GET ASKED ALL THE TIME.
UH, WE BASE IT ON INCOME AND NEED.
SO IT'S A 25% IMMEDIATE DISCOUNT ON ANY KIND OF PROGRAMS OR MEMBERSHIP THROUGH WHAT WE CALL OPEN DOORS.
AND THAT JUST REQUIRES A QUICK FORM TO BE FILLED OUT EITHER ONLINE OR IN PERSON.
AND THEN THAT AUTOMATICALLY HAPPENS.
THEN WE HAVE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE.
SO IF THAT INITIAL OPEN DOORS IS NOT ENOUGH, UH, TO SUPPORT, THEN WE WILL ASK THEM TO FILL OUT AN ADDITIONAL PAGE OR SEND US AN EMAIL AND LET US KNOW WHAT THE NEED IS, UH, REGARDLESS OF INCOME, UH, BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE JUST FALL ON HARD TIMES OR STRUGGLING, UH, EVEN TEMPORARILY.
UH, AND THEN THAT'S UP TO 50%.
UM, THERE, WE'RE KNOWN AS AN ORGANIZATION THAT WHEN WE HAVE MEMBERS AND SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, I NEED TO CANCEL MY MEMBERSHIP.
UH, OUR APPROACH IS TO SAY, WELL, YOU'RE A MEMBER OF THE Y AND IT'S OUR JOB TO TAKE CARE OF YOU.
SO ONCE YOU FIND EMPLOYMENT, COME BACK TO US AND LET US KNOW, BUT NO, WE'RE NOT CANCELING YOUR MEMBERSHIP.
UM, AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE OUR HEARTS ARE IN THE MISSION OF THE ORGANIZATION IS.
THANKS, MR. BROWN, YOU SO MUCH,
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CINDY, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.UH, LADY AND GENTLEMEN, WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING THIS EVENING.
UM, VERY, NOT VERY, UH, INTERESTING TOPIC NEXT UP.
MR. WELLS, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY? WELL, THAT BREAKS MY HEART.
[CONSIDER APPROVAL OF ITEMS BY CONSENT]
UH, THE, THE SECOND THING ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, CONSIDER APPROVAL OF ITEMS BY CONSENT.SO COUNCIL, I THINK WE CAN HANDLE THIS WITHOUT MR. SAYING ANYTHING.
UH, UM, OH, UH, THANK YOU, MRS. CULVER MADE IT FOR THE MOTION AND, UH, MR. UH, KOGAN IS A SECOND.
AND SO LET'S ALL RAISE OUR HANDS.
[2. Public hearing and consider an ordinance to rezone property legally described as Teeter Garrett Survey, Abstract 1537, Tract 2D01 and Tract 2D, and the east portion of Lot 1, Block 1 of the Woodland Heights Addition, commonly known as 2416 Cheek Sparger Road, Bedford, Texas, and consisting of 8.655 acres, from Single-Family Residential Detached – 15,000 (R-15) and Single-Family Residential Detached – 7,500 (R-75) to Planned Unit Development to allow a medium density age restricted duplex development. The property is generally located on the south side of Cheek Sparger Road, approximately 500 feet east of Central Drive. (PZ-PUD-2021-50046) (Item was recommended for approval by the Planning and Zoning Commission by a vote of 5-1-0)]
UH, MOVING RIGHT ALONG, WE'VE GOT NEW BUSINESS, UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO, PUBLIC HEARING, AND CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE TO REZONE PROPERTY.LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS TEETER JARRETT GARRETT SURVEY ABSTRACT 1537, TRACK TWO D ZERO ONE AND TRACK TWO D AND THE EAST PORTION OF BLOCK ONE BLOCK, ONE OF THE WOODLAND HEIGHTS EDITION, COMMONLY KNOWN AS 24 16 CHEESEBURGER ROAD, BEDFORD, TEXAS, AND CONSISTING OF 8.655 ACRES FROM SINGLE FAMILY.
RESIDENTIAL DETACHED 15,000 ARE 15 AND SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DETACHED 7,500 R 75 TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW A MEDIUM DENSITY AGE RESTRICTED DUPLEX DEVELOPMENT.
THE PROPERTY IS GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE SOUTH SIDE OF CHEESEBURGER ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 500 FEET EAST OF CENTRAL DRIVE, P Z P U D TWO AT 20 21 5 0 0 4 6.
AND ITEM WAS RECOMMENDED BY APPROVAL BY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
AND I THINK, OH, HE'S ALREADY THERE.
UH, WEST MORRISON, UH, IS IN PLANNING AND HE IS GOING TO GIVE US A LITTLE DESCRIPTION TONIGHT.
UH, REQUEST IS FOR A REZONING FROM OUR 15 AND OUR 75 TO PD TO ALLOW FOR THE MEDIUM DENSITY AGE RESTRICTED USE.
THE, UM, PROPERTY AS DESCRIBED IS AT THE SOUTH EAST CORNER OF CHEEK SPARGER AND CENTRAL DRIVE.
UM, FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS CURRENTLY LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL AND, UH, SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES.
SEMI-PUBLIC PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE USE THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE SITE.
UM, AGAIN, DENSITY WISE, THE REQUEST IS FOR A PUD.
PRIMARILY THE REQUEST FOR PD IS BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE A ZONING CLASSIFICATION THAT RESTRICTS, UH, FOLLOWS THE AGE RESTRICTION THAT THE APPLICANTS ARE PROPOSING.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY CAME IN WITH A PED REQUEST.
UM, IT IS FOR A TOTAL OF 67, UH, UNITS.
I SHOULD MENTION AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO THE REAL, WHAT I'M PRESENTING TO YOU TONIGHT IS BASED ON THE APPLICANT SUBMITTAL AND BASED ON WHAT P AND Z ACTED ON.
THERE MAY BE SOME CHANGES AT THE APPLICANTS GOING TO GO OVER WITH YOU SINCE P AND Z IS ACTION, BUT STAFF HASN'T REVIEWED THOSE YET.
SO WE'RE BASING IT OFF THE, UH, REVIEW THAT PNC DID AS WELL.
SO, UM, AGAIN USES OUR SINGLE STORY ATTACHED, WILLING UNITS FOR 55 YEARS OR OLDER, UM, AMENITIES ARE INCLUDING IN A COMMUNITY CENTER, FITNESS CENTER, POOLS AND OUTDOOR, UH, WALKING TRAILS PROPOSED OVERALL PROPOSED DENSITY IS EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT, 30 FEET, AND THEN SETBACKS ARE AS FOLLOWS.
THE 20 FOOT IN THE FRONT SIDE IS, UH, 15 FEET REAR IS 15 FEET.
AND THEN OVERALL MAXIMUM COVERAGE IS 40%.
THOSE ARE BASED ON THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT THE APPLICANT PRESENTED IN P AND Z REVIEWED GENERAL LAYOUT OF THE SITE.
UH, ALL ACCESS PRIMARY ACCESS IS BASED OFF OF CHEEK SPARGER, UM, WITH EMERGENCY ACCESS AND FIRE ACCESS, UH, TO THE WEST OF THE SITE, TO THE EXISTING CHURCH PROPERTY.
UM, WHILE THE OUTCOME PRESENTED AN OVERALL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT GIVE THE BASE, UH, REQUIREMENTS WHEN REVIEWING WHAT THE ACTUAL APPLICANT HAS ACTUALLY PROVIDED THE TOTAL LANDSCAPE AREAS, 42%, UM, THE PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING, WHICH IS TYPICALLY REQUIRED TO BE 10% IN A STRAIGHT ZONING DISTRICT IS BEING PROPOSED AT 19%.
THE APPLICANT'S ALSO PROPOSING JOE WOULD PROXY, FENCE SCREENING AND CANOPY TREES AROUND THE SITE.
A TOTAL OF A HUNDRED FIFTY FIVE FIFTY FIVE PARKING SPACES PROVIDED.
AND THEN EXTERIOR BUILDING MATERIALS SHALL HAVE A MINIMUM PERCENTAGE OF MASONARY PERCENTAGE OF 80%.
AGAIN, DUE TO RECENT LEGISLATION STAFF, OUR CITY CAN'T ENFORCE THAT.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING AS PART OF THIS REC, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS SURROUNDING LAND USES PRIMARILY TO THE EAST AND TO THE SOUTH.
YOU HAVE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, UM, AND OUR SEVENTY-FIVE IT WITHIN AN R 75 ZONING
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DISTRICT TO THE WEST.YOU HAVE A RELIGIOUS FACILITY, YOU HAVE A REHABILITATION, UM, FACILITY AND THAT A DAYCARE WITH OFFICES JUST TO THE NORTHWEST AS WELL, GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF SURROUNDING BLOCK, ONLY, UH, AREA AND JUST WHAT THE AREAS DEVELOPED AS, UM, WE SEND OUT PUBLIC NOTICE.
WE, UH, ADVERTISE IN THE NEWSPAPER AND PUT A SUN ON THE PROPERTY.
WE SENT OUT 34, UH, PUBLIC NOTICES WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE REQUEST.
AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'VE ONLY RECEIVED ONE WRITTEN, UM, OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST TONIGHT WE'LL, UH, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING THE, UM, OPTIONS FOR YOU OR TO APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS TABLE, IF YOU SO DESIRE.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY DENY P AND Z DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BY A VOTE OF FIVE TO ONE.
UM, JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, ONE OF THE MAJOR CONVERSATIONS FROM, UH, THE PNC COMMENDER THAT VOTED IN OPPOSITION WAS THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION BEING LOW DENSITY.
SHE FELT THAT IT WASN'T IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.
I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
UH, COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS, COUNCIL, WOMAN, CULVER WEST, EVEN THOUGH YOU'VE ONLY RECEIVED ONE, A LETTER IN OPPOSITION, THERE WERE MULTIPLE PEOPLE THAT SPOKE, UH, AT THE P AND Z MEETING.
AND THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE MINUTES.
AND ALL OF THOSE WERE IN OPPOSITION, OR DID YOU HAVE ANY, I DIDN'T SEE WHERE ANYONE CAME FORWARD.
THERE WERE ONE OR TWO, I BELIEVE MAX TWO THAT WERE IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST.
UH, ONE OF THE ONES THAT WAS IN FAVOR WAS GOING TO BE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE CHURCH.
UM, MR. THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEMP, UH, QUESTION WEST, IS THIS LAND ALWAYS BEEN VACANT? UM, THE, AS FAR AS MY HISTORY, MY RESEARCH SHOWS, YES.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN VACANT ZONED R 15 OR 75 FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
I GOING BACK, I WOULD SAY, UH, BASED ON THE LAST, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH BY 2010, 2010, AT LEAST IF NOT MORE.
UM, FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE AND THOSE PAYING ATTENTION AT HOME, COULD YOU BRIEFLY DESCRIBE WHAT TYPICALLY GOES IN, IN OUR, UM, 75 R 15, UH, ZONING? SURE.
OUR 15 IS A MINIMUM LOT SIZE, A 15,000 SQUARE FEET, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED HOME, UM, WITH A MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT OF 35 FEET OR TWO AND A HALF STORIES.
UM, OUR 75 IS VERY SIMILAR TO THAT.
ONLY THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS 7,500 SQUARE FEET.
UH, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME WITH A, UH, MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 35 FEET OR TWO AND A HALF STORIES.
SO BASICALLY WE'RE TALKING LOW DENSITY, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, NO.
UM, NO MEDIUM DENSITY AND SURROUNDING THIS PROPOSAL IS ALL, UM, SINGLE LOW DENSITY AREAS, CORRECT.
WELL, I HAD REQUESTED INFORMATION ON IF THE PROPERTY WAS DEVELOPED.
ANDREW, WOULD YOU MIND SPEAKING TO MY QUESTION REGARDING THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT COULD BE BUILT ON THAT PROPERTY? IF IT WAS LEFT AT A R 75 AND SPLIT WITH THE YARD 15, OR IF IT WAS ALL THEN RESOLVED FOR OUR 15 WITH THE VALUE APPROXIMATE VALUE OF THOSE HOMES WOULD BE, UH, HAPPY TO CERTAINLY.
SO JUST LOOKING AT, UM, SOME RECENTLY APPROVED SUBDIVISIONS IN THE AREA AND APPLYING A GENERAL STANDARD TO, UM, SPACE THAT A DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO DEDICATE TOWARD INFRASTRUCTURE RIGHT AWAY, STREETS, OPEN SPACE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE DID LOOK AT THE PROPERTY, UM, AND CONSIDER IF IT WAS ABLE TO DEVELOP IN ITS CURRENT ZONING STATUS, WHAT THAT MIX MIGHT LOOK LIKE OF HOMES.
UM, AND GENERALLY IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT 26 TO 28 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WOULD BE, UM, ABLE TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE PROPERTY.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS A, AN ESTIMATE, UM, AND DOESN'T COMPLETELY 100% TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE SHAPE, ET CETERA, OF THE, UH, OF THE PROPERTY SPLIT.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
THAT'S WHAT THIS IS RIGHT NOW AS IT SITS.
AND SO THAT WOULD GENERALLY GIVE US ABOUT, UM, 10 TO $12 MILLION OF VALUE ON THE PROPERTY, UH, BASED ON ABOUT A 400 AND UP THOUSAND DOLLAR HOME IN THAT AREA.
AND IF WE, UM, IF WE WERE TO GO AHEAD AND DEVELOP AS, UM, ALL OUR SEVEN FIVE, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSE, UM, AND PULL THAT ZONING FORWARD, UM, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO GET ABOUT 35 TO 38 UNITS
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ON THE PROPERTY AND IT GETS YOU A VALUE ABOUT 14 MILLION.QUESTION, MR. STEVE WEST, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE, UM, THE DRAWING OF THE PROPERTY NOW, THE ENTRYWAY IS ON CHICK SPARGER THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THERE'S ANOTHER ENTRY WAY OR IS THAT JUST, YEAH, YOU'VE GOT TWO ENTRYWAYS, UH, GOING TO THE WEST ONE, UH, WAS REQUIRED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UM, THE OTHER ONE WASN'T NECESSARILY REQUIRED, BUT REQUESTED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT JUST TO HAVE MULTIPLE ACCESS, BUT THAT WOULD BE CONNECTING THROUGH THE, UH, TO THE CHURCH PROPERTY.
IS THAT GATED OR IS THAT SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY COULD GO IN AND OUT AND THAT WOULD BE GATED.
SO THE REAL ENTRANCE IS JUST CHEESEBURGER, RIGHT.
AND THAT'S RIGHT BY THE ROUNDABOUT.
ISN'T IT? UH, JUST ABOUT, UH, I THINK I MAY HAVE THAT ABOUT 500 FEET EAST OF THAT YESTERDAY AT SHEEX BARGAS CROWDED.
AND OVER THE YEARS IT'S GOTTEN WORSE AND WORSE.
AND I KNOW WHEN IT USED TO BE A STOP SIGN THERE, YOU COULD GUARANTEE THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE BACKED UP ALL THE WAY UP.
AND NOW EVEN WITH THE ROUNDABOUT, I MEAN AT FIVE 30, IT'S STILL, SO HOW WOULD A PERSON COMING OUT OF THERE MAKE A LEFT TURN? I MEAN, THEY WOULD, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE TALKING SENIORS, I MEAN, WHERE IS THERE, IS THERE SOME PROVISION OR SOMETHING GOING TO BE PUT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, NO LEFT TURNS OR I I'M KNOWN NOW THAT COULD BE A YES.
THIS IS A PED, YOU CAN PUT CONDITIONS ON PUD.
UM, I ALSO AM VERY VAGUELY FAMILIAR WITH THE FACT THAT CHEESEBURGER IS POSSIBLY ONE OF THE STREETS THAT'S GOING TO BE, UM, IMPROVED WITH THE LATEST BOND.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY PRO ANY, OBVIOUSLY IT'S TOO EARLY TO TELL WHAT THOSE APARTMENTS GO LOOK LIKE, BUT THAT COULD ALSO BE SOMETHING THEY COULD LOOK AT AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
AND THAT'S GETTING ABOVE MY PAY GRADE AND OUTSIDE MY I'M AWARE OF THE TRAFFIC THERE RIGHT NOW.
AND IT'S ALSO, IT'S ON A SLOPE, IT'S ON A HILL.
AND, UM, IF YOU'RE MAKING A LEFT TURN OUT OF THERE, YOU CANNOT SEE BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT THE CORNER OF, UH, MARTIN AND CHEEKS BARTER IS BEEN QUITE A FEW ACCIDENTS RIGHT THERE.
AND THE CITY'S GOING TO HAVE TO EITHER PUT HER LIGHT OR SOMETHING IN THERE.
AND I'D HATE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULDN'T PUT A LIGHT IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S TOO CLOSE TO THE ROUNDABOUT.
AGAIN, NOT, I HOPE I'M NOT SPEAKING OUT TO HER, BUT I BELIEVE IF NOT ALL A PEAKS PARKER IS IN THE JURISDICTION OF COLLEYVILLE AS WELL.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM IF THAT WAS THE CASE.
I JUST, UH, ON THIS DIAGRAM, I JUST DON'T LIKE THE TRAFFIC.
WHY COULDN'T WE JUST COME IN AND OFF OF, UM, CENTRAL? WELL, THE BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED TONIGHT DOES NOT, UH, FACE THEM.
THAT'S NOT FRONT CENTRAL, SO THERE'S STILL A, LET ME SEE IF I CAN GO BACK TO MAYBE THE SITE PICTURES.
UM, SO THE CHURCH, UH, ACTUALLY THE TOP MIDDLE PICTURE THERE IS OF THE CHURCH THAT'S ON CENTRAL.
SO THE CHURCH, THIS PROPERTY IS BEHIND THAT CHURCH.
THERE'S QUITE SOME DISTANCE FROM CENTRAL.
I HAVE TO BE LIKE A GREAT BIG LANE GOING TO THE HOUSES BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S GOTTA BE AT LEAST 1200, 1500 FEET PROBABLY ABOUT RIGHT.
MA'AM ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
LET'S UH, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, DO YOU KNOW THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND HAS A PRESENTATION AS WELL? SORRY ABOUT THAT.
DO WE NEED TO DO THAT FIRST? WELL, TYPICALLY WE WOULD LET THE APPLICANT MAKE THAT PUBLIC HEARING FIRST IF YOU'D LIKE, UH, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, COME ON UP TO THE MIC AND DO A PRESENTATION IF BE LIKE, AND JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME, SIR.
HEY, UH, MY NAME'S MARK MATISSE AND I'M WITH THEM REAL COTTAGES.
THE, UH, THE, THE PROJECT THAT YOU JUST SAW AND HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO WORK THIS.
SO, UM, AS, AS THIS HAS BEEN DESCRIBED, WE ARE A, UM, SINGLE-STORY COTTAGE STYLE, SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITY.
I THINK YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, THE, THE ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY AND WHAT IS ALLOWED HERE.
AND I THINK YOU HEARD THAT, UM, THERE IS A TWO AND A HALF, UH, STORY HEIGHT AVAILABLE HERE.
SO FROM A, FROM A HEIGHT PERSPECTIVE, THE, UH, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT, THE, THAT WE SHOW IN THE PED IS 30 FEET.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE 21 FOOT, UH, PEAKS.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE SHOWN A 30 FOOT HEIGHT IN THE PED JUST TO ALLOW FOR ELEVATION CHANGES AND, AND POTENTIAL HEIGHT OF PARAPET WALLS.
I THINK RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT
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PARAPET WALL, AS OPPOSED TO NINE, WE COULD GO AT A NINE.THERE ALSO MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT, UH, ROOF PITCH GOING FROM A SIX, 12 TO AN EIGHT, 12, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, SO WE ARE, WE ARE RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE.
UM, WE'RE VERY UNIQUE BECAUSE, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY 99% OF, OF ALL SENIOR HOUSING, INDEPENDENT LIVING HOUSING IS IN AN APARTMENT STYLE COMMUNITY.
I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE SEVERAL APARTMENTS DOCK COMMUNITIES HERE.
ALL OF THIS CAME ABOUT REALLY, UH, AS A RESULT OF MY INTEREST IN, UH, MOVING MY PARENTS WHO MY DAD'S 90, MY MOM'S 85 INTO AN INDEPENDENT LIVING ENVIRONMENT.
MY MOM AND DAD HADN'T LIVED IN AN APARTMENT IN 40 YEARS, 50 YEARS.
AND, AND MY ABILITY TO GET THEM FROM THEIR HOME INTO AN APARTMENT STOCK COMMUNITY WAS, UH, IT WAS, IT WAS STOPPED BEFORE IT EVER GOT STARTED.
SO, UM, I FELT LIKE IF, IF THEY HAD THAT NEED, WOULDN'T GO TO AN APARTMENT, THEN MAYBE THERE WERE SOME OTHER PEOPLE WITH A SIMILAR TYPE OF INTEREST IN NEED.
AND, UH, WE, WE CONCEPT AT EMERALD COTTAGES OVER THAT BASIS TO COME INTO A RESIDENTIAL STYLE ENVIRONMENT, UH, ALLOW PEOPLE TO, UM, HAVE THE LOOK FEEL, UH, KIND OF THE, THE WHOLE EXPERIENCE OF A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME YET BE IN AN INDEPENDENT LIVING, UH, ENVIRONMENT.
NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO, MANY, IN FACT, ALL VIRTUALLY 98% OF, OF THOSE APARTMENTS DOT COMMUNITIES UP UNTIL NOW HAVE BEEN, UM, FULL SERVICE, RIGHT? SO YOU GO IN AND NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE YOUR APARTMENT, BUT YOU HAVE THREE MEALS A DAY, YOU HAVE A HOUSEKEEPING A WEEK AND YOU KNOW, ALL THE ACTIVITIES AND EVENTS THAT YOU CAN POSSIBLY EVER WANT.
SO YOU'RE LIVING 24 7 IN THIS, IN THIS, IN THIS HOME, WHICH LOOK IT'S WORKED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL.
BUT AGAIN, MY PARENTS, THEY, THEY WANTED DISCRETION OVER HOW THEY SPENT THEIR TIME AND MONEY.
THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BE RELEGATED TO THREE MEALS A DAY IN THE SAME DINING AREA, THE SAME COOK, SAME SEAT, WHATEVER THEY WANTED.
IF THEY WANTED TO COME TO MY HOUSE AND HAVE DINNER, THEY COME TO MY HOUSE AND HAVE DINNER.
IF THEY WANTED TO GO TO THEIR FAVORITE RESTAURANT, GO TO THE FAVORITE RESTAURANT, NOT FEEL LIKE THEY WERE WASTING MONEY, UH, BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T USING IT.
MY MOM'S A NICE PERSON, BUT I WILL TELL YOU IF SHE DOESN'T LIKE SERVICE, SHE'S GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT.
AND IF SHE HAS A HOUSEKEEPER THAT COMES IN AND SHE DOESN'T LIKE THE WAY THE HOUSEKEEPER IS CLEANING HER APARTMENT, IN THIS CASE, SHE'S GOING TO SPEAK UP.
BUT GUESS WHAT? SHE'S NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY ABILITY TO CONTROL THAT HOUSEKEEPER.
SO IN OUR COMMUNITY, IT'S ALL DISCRETIONARY.
UH, IF PEOPLE WANT HOUSEKEEPING, WE CAN HELP THEM.
IF THEY HAVE A HOUSEKEEPER THAT THEY LIKED, THAT THEY WANT TO BRING WITH THEM, THEY CAN DO THAT.
IT'S UM, LIKE I SAID, IT'S AS CLOSE TO A SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL ENVIRONMENT, AS YOU CAN POSSIBLY GET, BUT BEING IN AN INDEPENDENT LIVING ENVIRONMENT.
SO YOU TAKE THAT COMPONENT AND THEN YOU ADD THE FACT THAT EVERYWHERE WE ARE WE'RE NEXT TO AN ASSISTED LIVING CENTER.
SO BY VIRTUE OF LOCATION, WE CREATE A, UH, SENIOR, SENIOR, UM, COMPLEX, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE ASSISTED LIVING MEMORY CARE, WHICH THE ELM CROFT IS NEXT TO US.
YOU HAVE INDEPENDENT LIVING, WHICH WE ARE.
AND SO THE KIDS, ME, I PUT MY MOM THERE AND DAD DAD'S 90.
HIS HEALTH IS FAILING FASTER THAN MOM'S.
IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT GUYS, THEY DIE QUICKER.
HE NEEDS TO GO TO ASSISTED LIVING.
MOM'S STILL UNENCUMBERED IN THE INDEPENDENT LIVING COMMUNITY IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THEY SEE EACH OTHER THEY'RE CLOSE BY.
AND THAT SCENARIO HAS PLAYED OUT MORE TIMES THAN NOT.
IT'S, IT'S WORKED REALLY, REALLY WELL.
SO LOCATION IS IMPORTANT TO US.
WE, UH, WE HAVE A SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A BACKGROUND OF US.
THAT'S HOW WE ARE A RESIDENTIAL, AS OPPOSED TO MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT STYLE, INDEPENDENT LIVING.
THAT'S WHAT THIS DESCRIBES IN THE PRESENTATION.
AND THEN WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, FIVE COMMUNITIES, FOUR OF THEM ARE OPERATING.
OUR FIRST COMMUNITY WAS IN MCKINNEY, LITERALLY A BLOCK FROM THE MCKINNEY AQUATIC AND FITNESS CENTER.
VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT DOING HERE.
WE DO HAVE A, A, A CORPORATE MEMBERSHIP WITH THOSE GUYS, ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS, WE PROVIDE A MEMBERSHIP FOR THEM.
I THINK IT'S A BENEFIT FOR THE COMMUNITIES.
PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS CAN CENTER CONSIDER, NOT TRYING TO GET TOO FAR OFF BASE, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE GOT EXPERIENCE WITH.
THIS IS OUR COMMUNITY AND MCKINNEY.
UM, WE'RE IN STONEBRIDGE RANCH.
THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE HIGHLY RESTRICTIVE ON WHAT OUR, UH, PALLET OF MATERIALS ARE.
THIS IS A HUNDRED PERCENT MASONRY.
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WAY THAT WE WOULD HAVE DONE IT OTHERWISE, BUT IT, IT DOES LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO THE ASSISTED LIVING CENTER.AND SO WE CREATE THAT CAMPUS CONCEPT NOT ONLY BY LOCATION, BUT ALSO BY VIRTUE OF ELEVATION.
THIS IS THE INTERIOR OF THE COTTAGES, MANY AMENITIES THAT I CAN TALK ABOUT.
IF YOU'D LIKE, UH, THAT THAT ARE GEARED TOWARDS WHAT SENIORS NEED.
IT'S NOT JUST A ONE STOP FITS ALL.
IF YOU DON'T NEED IT, IT MIGHT NOT BE GREAT.
BUT, UM, THIS IS OUR COMMUNITY CENTER.
THEY'RE OPEN, UM, KIND OF A GREAT ROOM CONCEPT.
WE HAVE, UH, PROGRAMMED ACTIVITIES PRETTY MUCH EVERY DAY.
UH, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED THE RESIDENTS THAT WANT TO PARTICIPATE, PARTICIPATE.
THOSE THAT DON'T, DON'T WHAT WE HAVE AT DIFFERENT DAYS IS REALLY GEARED AROUND THE DNA OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, SOME COMMUNITIES HAVE BINGO, SOME COMMUNITIES HAVE A CHICKEN FOOT, SOME COMMUNITIES HAVE BIBLE STUDY.
IT JUST, IT JUST DEPENDS THE DIRECTION OF THE CALENDAR BASED ON WHAT THE RESIDENT NEED IS.
THIS IS OUR COMMUNITY AND STONEBRIDGE RANCH.
AND SEE, WE'RE SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL THERE ON THE, UH, THE SIDE FURTHEST FROM YOU GUYS IS THE STONEFIELD ASSISTED LIVING CENTER.
THAT'S A BROOKFIELD COMMUNITY.
OUR COMMUNITY IS IN THE MIDDLE.
AND THEN THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL THAT IS THIS SURROUNDING, UM, COMMUNITY AND KERRVILLE IS NEXT TO THE RIVER POINT ASSISTED LIVING CENTER.
OUR, UM, OUR ELEVATIONS ARE DESIGNED TO EMULATE THE, A ASSISTED LIVING CENTER.
WE'RE ON THE GUADALUPE RIVER RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE, UH, RIVER HILLS COUNTRY CLUB.
GREAT LOCATION RESIDENTS LOVE IT.
IT'S BEEN A, BEEN A HUGE SUCCESS, JUST A LITTLE LIFESTYLE PICK IN KERRVILLE.
WE'RE NEXT TO THE ARBOR HOUSE ASSISTED LIVING CENTER THERE.
UM, THE INTERIOR PICS, UH, WE'RE PRETTY SIMPLE.
WE'VE, WE'VE FOUND A FLOOR PLAN THAT WORKS AND WE REPLICATED OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
IT'S A TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH COTTAGE.
IT'S GOT AN ATTACHED GARAGE, UM, ABOUT 1,350 LIVABLE SQUARE FEET AND REALLY, REALLY NICELY WELL DONE.
IT'S BEEN DESIGNED WELL BY ARCHITECTS AND IT'S FINISHED OUT WELL.
UM, YOU MENTIONED, UH, THE TRAFFIC OVER THERE COMING AND GOING.
UH, IT'S REALLY HARD TO TELL UNLESS YOU OPERATE THESE THINGS UNLESS YOU'RE WITHIN IN, AND YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO BECOME A SENIOR.
UH, THESE ARE SLEEPY LITTLE COMMUNITIES.
OUR RESIDENTS DON'T DRIVE VERY WELL.
THEY PUT IN THE GARAGE BECAUSE THE KIDS WILL LET THEM, THEY TAKE THE KEYS AND THEY DON'T EVER SEE THE KEYS OF THE CAR.
UM, THE FORTUNATE PART FOR US IS THAT YOU HAVE A LOT OF ON DEMAND SERVICES.
YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S FOOD DELIVERY, WHETHER IT'S UBER TAKING AND GOING, UM, HOME CARE, THEY'LL COME AND TAKE THE RESIDENTS AND GO PICK UP STUFF.
BUT FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC, I'M YOUR GUY.
THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, WE, WE WOULD PROBABLY GENERATE LESS TRAFFIC TRIP TRIPS THAN ANY COMMUNITY THAT'S EVEN A 10TH OF THE SIZE OF AN EMERALD COTTAGE.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S A, A PLUS AGAIN, SOME MORE ANTERIOR PICTURES OF THE COMMUNITY, ANOTHER LIFESTYLE PICTURE THAT'S WACO, UH, SOME OF OUR FAVORITE RESIDENTS, THIS IS ROUND ROCK.
SO IN ROUND ROCK WE'RE ON, UH, THE TERRA VISTA GOLF COURSE.
IT WAS A COMMUNITY THAT WAS DEVELOPED BY NEW LUND, WHICH IS ONE OF THE LARGER MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES IN THE NATION.
THEY DEVELOPED STONEBRIDGE RANCH IN MCKINNEY AS WELL.
WE'RE ON THE SECOND FAIRWAY THERE.
THESE COMMUNITIES, UH, THE ELEVATION OF THESE COTTAGES WAS BUILT SO THAT IT, UM, EMULATES THE ASSISTED LIVING CENTER, WHICH IS FRANKLIN PARK THERE.
SOME OF THE INTERIORS, AGAIN, THEY LOOK THE SAME.
THIS IS AN ELEVATION OF OUR, UM, TERRA VISTA COMMUNITY.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING THAT CAN POINT, BUT ON THE, THE TOP OF THE SCREEN, THAT'S THE ASSISTED LIVING CENTER.
THAT'S FRANKLIN PARK, UH, RIGHT BELOW FRANKLIN PARK ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN.
THAT'S THE SKILLED NURSING FACILITY, THAT'S THE BEL AIR.
AND THEN WE ARE THE COTTAGES THAT ARE KIND OF BEHIND EVERYTHING TUCKED BACK IN THERE AND, AND UP ON THE GOLF COURSE, AND NEXT TO THE HOMES, NEW BRAUNFELS IS OUR LATEST AND GREATEST IT'S.
UM, IT'S GOT THE COMMUNITY CENTER THAT WE WOULD, UH, PROPOSE TO BUILD IN NEW BRAUNFELS.
SO IT'S, IT'S THE ONE THAT YOU SAW ON STEROIDS.
SO WE'VE GOT A REALLY LARGE, GREAT ROOM THERE.
WE'VE GOT A KIND OF WHAT WE CALL THE MAN-CAVE WITH A BIG SCREEN TV POOL TABLE,
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UM, GAME EVENTS IN THERE IN A SEPARATE ROOM.YOU GO THROUGH THE KITCHEN AND YOU GET TO A, UM, KIND OF A GLASSED IN FITNESS AREA.
UH, AND THEN IT OVERLOOKS A POOL FOR THE RESIDENTS AND THE, THE, THE POOL FOR OUR RESIDENTS IS, UH, KIND OF A, UH, A CONSTANT LEVEL POOL.
WE'RE NOT DOING FLIPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE HAVE A BIG OPEN CANOPY THAT, THAT COVERS A THING BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T LIKE GETTING A SUN EXPOSURE.
SO THIS IS OUR NEW BRAUNFELS COMMUNITY.
YOU CAN SEE THE ELEVATION AGAIN IS DIFFERENT FROM THE MATERIAL STANDPOINT, BUT THE LOOK IS IDENTICAL TO EVERYTHING WE DO.
THE ASSISTED LIVING CENTER IS IN THE BACKGROUND.
IT'S ACTUALLY RIGHT NEXT TO US.
IT JUST LOOKS LIKE IT'S, IT'S OVER A HILL, BUT, UM, THAT'S THE ALON WEST POINT AND NEW BRAUNFELS.
THESE ARE THE INTERIOR FINISHES IN NEW BRAUNFELS, UM, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT COLOR PATTERN, BUT IDENTICAL FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, OF LAYOUT, JUST SOME MORE EXTERIOR PIGS, THAT IS THE COMMUNITY CENTER IN NEW BRAUNFELS THAT WERE, UM, SETTLED UP WITH GOING FORWARD FOR ALL OF OUR, OUR LOCATIONS AND WOULD BE SIMILAR HERE, EMERIL LIFESTYLE.
THIS IS, UH, JUST OUR CALENDAR OF EVENTS.
EACH, LIKE I SAID, EACH LOCATION IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
WE GEAR EACH ONE TO THE DNA OF THE RESIDENT, UH, VERY, VERY RESIDENT DRIVEN FROM AN ACTIVITY STANDPOINT.
SO AGAIN, UH, THIS IS THE LOCATION IN BEDFORD, AND YOU CAN SEE THE ASSISTED LIVING CENTER BUTTED UP TO US, UH, THAT FRONT ON CENTRAL, UH, THE CHURCH THAT IS JUST SOUTH OF THERE, THE VACANT LAND BETWEEN THE ASSISTED LIVING CENTER AND THE CHURCH IS OWNED BY THE CHURCH AND THE CHURCHES, UH, ANTICIPATING EXPANDING THERE AS WE GET STARTED, THOUGH, GET STARTED TO, UM, IT'S AN IRREGULAR SHAPE PIECE.
UH, IT'S NOT AN, NOT AN EASY TRACK.
AND SO, UM, SO WE'VE, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING ON THIS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHO ALL IS HERE OR WAS HERE PROBABLY MOST OF YOU ALL EXCEPT FOR COUNCILMAN STEVE'S.
UM, BUT THIS, I SENT AN EMAIL TO EVERYBODY BACK IN FEBRUARY EARLY THIS YEAR, WE WERE WORKING ON IT, UH, PROBABLY TWO OR THREE MONTHS PRIOR TO THAT.
UM, AFTER THAT EMAIL, I STARTED THE CONVERSATION WITH THE RESIDENTS AND THERE, THERE HAS BEEN AN EVOLUTION OF PLANS.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO SEE THE ELEVATION BASED ON HERE, BECAUSE I'M JUST COMING IN FRONT OF YOU TALKING.
IT'S LIKE, IT JUST HAPPENED LIKE THAT, BUT THIS HAS BEEN, UH, QUITE A PROCESS AND, AND LOTS OF INVOLVEMENT, UM, WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT EXPERTS, PEOPLE, UM, ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS, AS WELL AS YOUR, UM, CITY, CITY, UH, RESIDENTS.
YOU TALKED ABOUT VALUATIONS OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THE VALUATION OF THIS, UM, WE PROJECTED TO AROUND $17 MILLION UPON BUILD-OUT, UH, IT'S, UH, IT'S A TAX, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE VARIOUS ENTITIES BIT OF A, A COMBINED TAX OF PROBABLY $400,000 TO THE, YOU KNOW, CITY SCHOOL COUNTY, UM, HERE'S THE, UH, THE LOOK OF THE CHURCH AND THE ASSISTED LIVING CENTER, AND THIS WOULD BE THE ELEVATION OF THE COTTAGES.
SO WE WOULD DO A AS GOOD A JOB AS WE COULD TO EMULATE THAT AND STILL KEEP THE CHARACTER OF THE COTTAGES.
UM, THERE'S A, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF A PERSPECTIVE ON THEM.
UH, THEY'RE EXPENSIVE TO BUILD, UH, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE SUPER NICE, BOTH INSIDE AND OUT.
UM, IT'S NOT THE NEWEST PLAN AND I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT DIDN'T MAKE IN, BUT WHAT WE, WHAT WE HAVE DONE SINCE P AND Z MET, WE CAME UP WITH A REVISED SITE PLAN.
UM, THERE WERE SEVERAL RESIDENTS THAT WERE UPSET AFTER THAT MEETING.
AND SO I WENT BACK TO THEM AND, AND CREATED A REVISED PLAN.
IF THE, UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, DO YOU HAVE A POINTER OR ANYTHING? IS IT IT'S NOT GONNA WORK? UM, CAN I WALK AROUND AND POINT WITH MY FINGERS THAT, OKAY, CAN, CAN THE PLAN BE REVISED AND BROUGHT TO US ONCE P AND Z IS ALREADY APPROVED TO PLAN AND AS LONG AS IT'S CONSISTENT, AND IT DOES NOT PROPOSE A GREATER DENSITY OF UNITS.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS PROPOSES MORE UNITS OR NOT.
UM, BUT IF IT DOES NOT, THEN THIS
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IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL CAN ENTERTAIN IS LESS.SO THE MAJORITY OF THERE IS ONE GUY, A NARROW PIECE, AND THEN THE MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL STARTS ABOUT RIGHT HERE.
AND THESE ARE, THESE ARE ONE BEDROOM COTTAGES, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT JUST FROM A RIGHT THERE'S ONE BEDROOM.
AND SO WE'VE REMOVED ALL OF THESE TWO BEDROOM COTTAGES, REPLACE THEM WITH THE ONE BEDROOM, WHICH HAS NOT ONLY MADE THIS LESS DENSE RIGHT HERE, BUT IT'S INCREASED THE SETBACK FOR THE RESIDENTS.
AND SO, UH, ALONG WITH DOING THAT, CAN WE MOVE, THESE HAVE GONE AWAY.
IT'S BEEN TWO BEDROOMS HAVE GONE BACK HERE.
IT'S ALSO LESS DENSE BECAUSE THERE WERE FOUR.
NOW THEY'RE JUST THREE, IT'S INCREASED THE SETBACKS ON.
UH, SO, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE.
AND THEN WE'VE, WE'VE REMOVED A COTTAGE DOWN HERE.
IT'S GOING FROM 67 COTTAGES TO 64 COTTAGES.
UH, SO WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING TO US IS NOT ON THE, IS NOT ON THE PICTURE RIGHT NOW.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE TELLING US THAT THAT PICTURE IS NOT ACCURATE EITHER.
THAT IS AN OLD PLAN THAT HAS BEEN REVISED, BUT WE DON'T HAVE IT.
I'M KIND OF AMAZED THAT YOU WOULD COME HERE AND ASKING US TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT WE DON'T SAY.
IT'S I HAD ACTUALLY UPLOADED IT AND IT'S JUST NOT SHOWING UP ON THE SCREEN FOR WHATEVER REASON, UM, COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE IT, RIGHT? YES.
WE, UM, THIS IS A PROBLEM FOR US, ANDREA, DO, WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST? UM, SO THERE WERE LAST MINUTE CHANGES MADE TO THE PLAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET IT TO YOU.
UM, AND AS BRIAN SAID, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH A LESS DENSE PROJECT AND MINOR MODIFICATIONS, UM, AT THIS STAGE, UM, FEELING UNCOMFORTABLE AND NOT SEEING IT.
WE'RE GOING TO SEE IF SHE CAN'T PULL IT UP.
IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A PEEK AT IT, WE CAN ALWAYS LOOK AT A TABLING SITUATION.
IF WE WANT TO TAKE A PAUSE AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL SEE THE REVISED PLAN AND ARE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT, STAFF CAN TAKE A FULL, COMPREHENSIVE, LOOK AT IT AS WELL, WHICH WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO.
SO YOU'VE NOT LOOKED AT IT EITHER.
NOW I'D SAY WE MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN TABLING.
I WOULD LIKE TO, I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE.
SO I'D RECOMMEND SINCE WE OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING, LET'S ALSO TABLE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO RE NOTICE IT.
SO DO WE DO THAT SEPARATELY? IT CAN BE IN ONE JOINT MOTION IF WE DON'T REALLY NOTICE IT, HOW ARE THESE INDIVIDUALS? SO THE WAY THE LAW, AGAIN, THAT'S A PRO, RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND THE PRACTICAL CHALLENGE.
WE CAN CERTAINLY NOTICE IT, BUT THE WAY THE LAW WORKS IS IT WAS NOTICED FOR TONIGHT.
SO ANYONE WHO HAD INTEREST IS HERE TONIGHT AND THEY WILL HEAR YOU TABLE IT TO A DATE CERTAIN.
SO, UH, MR. STEVE, DO YOU WANT TO WORD IT OR DO YOU WANT US TO WORDSMITH IT? LET'S SEE.
UM, WE WE'D LIKE TO TABLE THIS, UH, PUBLIC, PROBABLY A MEETING UNTIL WE GET ACCURATE DRAWINGS AND THE PUBLIC MEETING.
ALSO, IT WILL BE PUT OFF UNTIL, SO THE, THE ITEM AND THE PUBLIC HEARING SHOULD BE TABLED UNTIL, UH, TUESDAY, JANUARY THE 11TH.
IT'S GOING TO BE TABLED TO TUESDAY, JANUARY 11TH.
AND MR. STEVE'S JUST MADE THEM.
I HAD TO MAKE THAT MOTION TO TABLE AND TO JANUARY 11TH.
SO WE'VE STILL GOT, WE STILL GOT A CORE.
WHAT WOULD IT BE SUSTAINED OR ZERO.
WELL, YOU WANT TO VOTE? YES, WE'RE TABLING.
EVERYBODY, IT'S A UNANIMOUS TABLING TABLING TILL JANUARY 11TH.
AND SO THAT, UH, THAT THE CITY STAFF CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT AS WELL AS COUNCIL.
AND WE CAN MAKE A BETTER DECISION ON THAT.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, BUT WE JUST FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE CONFIDENT IF WE WILL HANDLE IT THAT WAY.
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THANK YOU.UM, YEAH, LAST NIGHT HERE, FOLKS.
[3. Public hearing and consider an ordinance to rezone property legally described as Lot A, Block 1 of the First United Methodist Church – Bedford Addition, commonly known as 1101 Airport Freeway, Bedford, Texas, and consisting of 0.376 acres, from Service Commercial/Specific Use Permit for Children’s Day Care (S/SUP) to Service Commercial/Specific Use Permit for Children’s Day Care (S/SUP) amending an existing Specific Use Permit to allow an expansion of an existing day care facility. The property is generally located northwest of Shady Wood and Shady Brook Drive. (PZ-PUD-2021-50057) (Item was recommended for approval by the Planning and Zoning Commission by a vote of 6-0-0)]
ITEM NUMBER THREE.PUBLIC HEARING IS ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.
I APOLOGIZE FOR ALL THE, UM, THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THIS THIS EVENING, BUT WE JUST FEEL LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT CLOSER BY STAFF AND BY US.
SO I COULD TELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING.
UM, ITEM NUMBER THREE, PUBLIC HEARING, AND CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE TO REZONE PROPERTY.
LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS LOT A BLOCK, ONE OF THE FIRST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH, BUT BEDFORD EDITION, COMMONLY KNOWN AS 1101 AIRPORT, FREEWAY, BEDFORD, TEXAS.
AND CONSISTING OF 0.37, SIX ACRES FROM SERVICE COMMERCIAL SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR CHILDREN'S DAYCARE, S SLASH S U P TO SERVICE COMMERCIAL SLASH SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR CHILDREN'S DAYCARE S SLASH S U P AMENDING AN EXISTING OH MAN, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW AN EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING DAYCARE FACILITY.
THE PROPERTY IS GENERALLY LOCATED NORTHWEST OF SHADY WOOD AND SHADY BROOK DRIVE P Z P U D 20 21 5 0 0 5 7.
AN ITEM WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BY A VOTE OF SIX TO ZERO AND WEST IS BACK TO US AGAIN.
THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR PRO TEM.
UM, THIS IS A REQUEST TO AMEND AN EXISTING, UH, SUP IN 2016, COUNCIL APPROVED AN SUV FOR THE DAYCARE USE.
THE APPLICANT IS NOW REQUESTING TO DO AN ADDITIONAL TO THAT BUILDING AND THEREFORE REQUIRES AN AMENDED SUP FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS SERVICE COMMERCIAL, WHICH THE PROPOSED USE FOR THE EXISTING USE DOES COMPLY WITH.
UM, AGAIN, THE REASON FOR THE REQUESTED AMENDED SUP IS TO ADD A LITTLE OVER A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET TO THE EXISTING 1800 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING FOR THE CONTINUED USE OF THE DAYCARE.
UM, MINIMUM CONDITIONS AS YOU ALL ARE WELL AWARE ON ALL THE SGPS OUR ZONING ORDINANCE LAYS OUT A DEFINITION OF THE USE AND THEN MINIMUM CONDITIONS THAT MUST BE MET, UH, IN THAT CA IN THIS CASE, DAYCARES ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
UM, UH, OUR FACILITIES SHOULD NOT BE LOCATED WITHIN 50 FEET OF A RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY, AND THEN ANY VEHICLE'S STACKING MUST BE SATISFIED TO DROP OFF, UH, TO SATISFY THE DROP-OFF SITUATIONS, UH, DOING A REAL QUICK SOLID ANALYSIS ON THIS.
THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, UM, WAS APPROVED WITH THE ORIGINAL 2016, SUP IT IS WITHIN 30 OR 50 FEET OF RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY, BUT THE, UM, THE APPLICANT'S NOT PROPOSING TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THAT PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT WITH THIS REQUEST.
UM, AND THEN THE SECOND ONE, THERE IS NO DESIGNATED DROP-OFF ZONE FOR THIS USE.
SO THE STACKING IS NOT REQUIRED IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, UH, REAL QUICK ON THE SITE CONDITIONS, 10 PARKING SPACES BEING, UH, PROVIDED IN THAT ISN'T WITHIN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AGAIN, NO CHANGES TO YOUR LANDSCAPING OR SCREENING WALLS.
UM, AND THIS IS PROBABLY WHERE THE BULK OF THE CONVERSATION WILL BE TO NOT ON THIS SUBJECT.
AND THAT IS THE FLOODPLAIN SITUATION.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN A FLOODPLAIN.
AND, UH, TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, TYPICALLY, WHAT STAFF DOES OR STRIVES TO DO, UH, IS BEFORE AN APPLICATION LIKE THIS GETS TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, WE WORK THROUGH ALL OF THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS, ALL OF THE MAJOR DETAILS, SUCH AS FLOODPLAIN, MAKING SURE THAT IF THEY ARE ENCROACHING AND FLOODPLAIN, THEIR BUILDING IS BEING BUILT IN A WAY THAT, UM, MITIGATES THOSE SITUATIONS, HOWEVER, IN THIS, AND WHAT THAT WOULD DO IN THIS CASE IS REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO DO QUITE A BIT OF, UH, FLOOD STUDIES AND DRAINAGE DETAILED STUDIES THAT COULD COST THEM QUITE A BIT OF MONEY.
AND IN A MEETING WITH THE APPLICANTS, UM, STAFF AND THE APPLICANT KIND OF CAME TO AN IMPASSE.
AND IT WAS THE FACT THAT THE APPLICANT SAID, I DON'T WANT TO GO AND INVEST ALL OF THAT MONEY WITHOUT KNOWING IF THE COUNCIL AND P AND Z IS EVEN AMENABLE TO DEVELOPMENT WITHIN A FLOOD PLAIN.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING THE FLOOD PLAN CONVERSATION HERE TONIGHT.
SO IF YOU RECOMMEND, OR IF YOU APPROVE, UM, IT'S, IT'S RECOMMEND THAT YOU APPROVE IT, REQUIRING THAT THE FLOOD STUDY BE DONE, THAT EVERYTHING WOULD HAVE TO BE BUILT TO THE STANDARDS OF THE FLOOD STUDY.
SO THE AFRICANS STILL GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND DO THOSE, UH, INVESTMENTS INTO THE STUDIES, BUT AT LEAST THEY KNOW THE USE IN THE OVERALL SUP IS GOING TO BE APPROVED.
SO THEIR ENTITLEMENTS ARE DONE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE QUESTION, AND I KNOW THAT'S A LOT TO TAKE IN, BUT THAT'S REALLY THE QUESTION
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WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT.DO WE WANT TO, UM, DOES THE SUP DOES THE USE STILL, IS IT STILL COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND ARE WE LOW? ARE WE OKAY WITH DEVELOPMENT WITHIN A FLOODPLAIN, AS LONG AS IT MEETS ALL OF THE BUILDING REQUIREMENTS AND FLOOD PROOFING REQUIREMENTS? SO THE ISSUE HERE IS IT'S ALREADY IN A FLOOD PLAIN.
YES, MA'AM SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY NEVER BEEN BUILT TO BEGIN WITH.
AND NOW FEMA IS REDOING THE MAP AND IT'LL PROBABLY MAKE THE SITUATION EVEN WORSE.
COULD ONE THING I WOULD SAY THAT GIVEN THAT THE BUILDING WAS BUILT SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK ON MEMORY.
UH, THE BUILDING WAS BUILT ORIGINALLY IN 1980.
UM, IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN IN A DESIGNATED FLOOD PLAN AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
AND IN 2016, THIS DIDN'T COME UP BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T MAKING ANY EXTERIOR CHANGES TO THE BUILDING.
SO TO SAY IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN BUILT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I CAN'T SAY THAT, BUT WE NOW KNOW WHAT WE KNOW.
AND SO WE, STAFF NEEDS TO LET Y'ALL KNOW THAT THIS ISN'T A FLOOD PLAIN.
AND WITH THE UPDATED MAPS THAT ARE COMING FORWARD PROBABLY EARLY NEXT YEAR, AT LEAST SOMETIME NEXT YEAR, WE ANTICIPATE WE DON'T WANT TO APPROVE A BUILDING WITHOUT COUNSEL PNZ KNOWING IT.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF, YOU KNOW, IN A FLOODPLAIN IT'S OKAY.
I MEAN A FLOODPLAIN, BUT ONCE IT'S GONE TO A FLOOD WAY, YOU CANNOT BUILD A FLOODWAY FROM MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF HE WENT AHEAD AND DID THE EXPANSION AND IT'S TURNED INTO A FLOOD WAY, UM, WHERE WOULD THAT LEAVE US? I'M NOT GOING TO GET TOO FAR DEEP INTO THIS CAUSE I'M NOT YOUR FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR.
SO I THINK IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, CHERYL IS HERE AND SHE'S SMILING.
SO SHE'S GOING TO COME UP AND TRY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU.
WELL, WELCOME TO THE PODIUM SHOW OR FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR RIGHT THERE.
SO YOUR QUESTION IS WHAT HAPPENS TO THE CITY IN THE FUTURE? IF YES, IF THAT PROPERTY IS INDEED A FLOOD WAY, CAUSE WE KNOW IT'S A FLOODPLAIN RIGHT NOW AND IF IT TURNS INTO A FLOOD WAY, UM, YOU CAN'T BUILD IN A FLOOD WAY, RIGHT.
IS THAT CORRECT? YOU CAN'T HAVE PROPERTY IN A FLOOD WAY.
IS THAT, I MEAN, A BUILDING, A STRUCTURE, OUR ORDINANCE DOES PROHIBIT BUILDING IN THE FLOODWAY IF IT'S ALREADY THERE AND THEN IT'S ALREADY THERE.
UM, IF IT CHANGES TO FLOOD WAY IN THE FUTURE, THERE'S I MEAN, BUT IF IT'S A FLOODWAY AND IT BACKS UP TO SOME SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY, WHERE WOULD THAT LEAVE THE CITY FOR OKAYING? THAT I DON'T KNOW.
IF, IF IT'S OKAY TO INTERJECT.
UM, SO UNLESS WE HAVE ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE THAT FLOODING WILL OCCUR WHEN WE PERMIT THE ACTION, THE CITY HAS IMMUNITY.
NOW THE PROPERTY OWNER COULD STILL INCUR LIABILITY UNDER THE UNDER TEXAS LAW, ESSENTIALLY FOR, UH, DEVIATING WATER FROM THE PROPERTY AND INUNDATING A NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
SO WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO UNDERWRITE THAT AND WE WON'T HAVE ANY LIABILITY.
AND FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, WE HAVE NO ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE THAT FLOODING WILL OCCUR.
SO HOW MUCH DOES ONE OF THESE STUDIES COST? DOES HE HAVE A BALLPARK? I MEAN, I'M NOT ASKING FOR IT.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO BUY ONE, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, BALLPARK, WHEN I USUALLY TELL PEOPLE IS 30 TO $50,000.
SO LET'S SAY, UH, WE, HYPOTHETICALLY WE PASS THIS.
IF THE DRAINAGE STUDY IS DONE AND THIS GUY DOES THIS 30 TO $50,000 DRAIN OF STUDY AND IT CAN IT COME OUT TO WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, OH, WELL, NO, WE CAN'T EXPAND.
AND SO IF WE'RE IN, IF WE'RE IN THAT SITUATION, THEN HE'D JUST, YOU CAN'T EXPAND.
WELL, WHAT WOULD WE, WHAT WE WOULD REQUIRE IN A STUDY? WHAT WOULD GIVE ME WARM FUZZIES TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IN A STUDY WOULD BASICALLY BE THAT THE, ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT HE MAKES ON THE PROPERTY, ISN'T GOING TO ADVERSELY IMPACT THE OTHER PROPERTIES WITHIN THE CHANNEL.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BELIEVE THAT THE RULE IS, UM, THERE'S A LIMIT IN HOW MUCH YOU CAN ALLOW THE WATER TO RISE WITHIN THE CHANNEL BASED ON THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU MAKE.
SO THAT'S WHAT HE WOULD HAVE TO PROVE OUT TO US.
DOES THAT HELP? YEAH, NO, IT DOES.
I MEAN, BASICALLY WE COULD APPROVE IT.
IT W IT COULD NOT MEET THOSE STANDARDS AND THEN HE'D BE AT 50 GRAND AS OPPOSED TO HIM GOING AHEAD AND DOING THAT TODAY.
AND THAT COUNSEL IS NOT AMENABLE TO HIM DEVELOPING IN THE FLOODPLAIN.
THAT'S WHY IT'S FEELS LIKE THE, WAS IT THE CHICKEN AND THE EGG, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S NOT, I MEAN, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T IMPACT ANYONE
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ELSE, THEN I'M IN, I DON'T SEE WHAT THE, I MEAN, BUT HE'S, YOU KNOW, HE'S BACKED UP TO SOME OF THOSE HOUSES AND IT'S RIGHT.YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT A NEGATIVE IMPACT AND IN A STUDY CAN SHOW THAT LIKE 100% THAT, HEY, NO, THIS ISN'T GOING TO IMPACT, OR THIS WILL IMPACT 95% ACCURACY, 90%, 85 RAINFALL CALCULATIONS OR THEORETICAL.
SORRY, I, YEAH, I DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL.
YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T PREDICT EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
UM, AND THE OTHER REASON WE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD WAS BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY, JUST NORTH, IS THERE THE CITY PURCHASED? I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY, A HANDFUL OF THEM, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.
TWO OR THREE OF THEM IN THE CALL, THE SAC TO THE NORTH, UM, 2012 ISH OR SO FOR THAT REASON.
AND THE STUDY THAT WAS DONE AT THAT TIME SHOWED THAT THE, UM, LOWEST ADJACENT GRADE TO EACH OF THOSE HOUSES WAS A CERTAIN ELEVATION WITHIN WHAT THE, WHAT THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAIN, UM, MAPS SHOWED AT THAT TIME.
SO WE BOUGHT THE HOUSES, HOW MANY EVER THERE WERE, BECAUSE WE APPROVED IT AND WE KNEW BETTER.
THE CITY MADE OFFERS TO SEVERAL HOMEOWNERS AT THAT TIME AND NOT TAKE IT EXACTLY.
UM, IF I COULD JUST FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES, PLEASE, I SAID ON P AND Z, WHEN THIS LOVELY COUPLE CAME TO US ASKING TO TAKE A BUILDING THAT HAD BEEN USED FOR A TERMITE COMPANY, AND THEY MOVED THEIR BUSINESS TO HEARST AND JUST PRECIOUS, COUPLE OF WANTING TO UTILIZE THIS PROPERTY FOR A DAYCARE CENTER.
AND THERE WERE ALL TYPES OF ISSUES THAT WE FACED WITH THAT LOCATION, SAFETY EXPOSURE TO THE CHILDREN BEING SEEN FROM THE ROADWAYS, UH, ALL TYPES OF THINGS.
THE FLOODWAY ISSUE WAS NEVER BROUGHT TO P AND Z.
SO I WAS A LITTLE TAKEN BACK WHEN I SAW THIS IN, IN THIS RIDE UP AND HERE, THIS LOVELY COUPLE IS COMING BACK TO US, ASKING US TO APPROVE THEM, TO BUILD IN A FLOOD BITE FOR POTENTIAL, UM, COST DAMAGE LIABILITY.
I JUST, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM TAKE THAT $50,000 AND INVESTED IT, SELL THAT PROPERTY.
SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENED WITH IT AND RELOCATE.
I KNOW THEY HAVE A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS, BUT, UM, I'M A NO VOTE ON IT.
UM, I GUESS COUNCIL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR NOW? OKAY.
I'M JUST GOING TO ASK ONE THING.
SO WHEN IT DID SNOW, WERE THERE ANY ISSUES THAT WERE REPORTED AND WHEN ALL THAT SNOW FINALLY MELTED? OKAY.
SO FOR THE PUBLIC, THE PRESENTATION AS WELL, THE REST OF THIS, OKAY.
I AM THE OWNER OF MY LIFE TODAY.
I ALWAYS START WITH ONE FIRST.
I KNOW THIS TOPIC, THIS QUESTION, IT'S GOING TO BE BBB, THE FLOOD PLAIN ISSUE.
I PROBABLY WOULDN'T LIKE TO KIND OF RESET THE TABLE IN TERMS OF THE FACTS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED AT THIS POINT.
UM, MAINLY BECAUSE WE PRODUCED THE SITE PLAN INITIALLY FOR OUR EXPANSION THAT INCLUDED
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AN EXPANSION INTO THE AREA BASED OFF OF THE EXISTING FLOOD, THE MAP TO IMPROVE WHAT WE REALIZE THAT THE MEETING IS RAISED DEAL WITH PATIENT OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION IS 559 98.OUR EXISTING STRUCTURE IS 560 FEET.
AND BASED OFF FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY, AS WELL AS THE THIRD DEPARTMENT ENGINEER, WE REALIZED THE BEACH COULD BE BUILT TO AT LEAST FIVE OR 60 FEET ABOVE THAT A FULL FOOT TO 561 TO BE PLEASANT CERTIFICATE CAN BE ISSUED OFF OF POST FLOOD MAPS.
THESE FLOOD MASTER TO BE PROPOSED EXISTING AT THE TIME.
WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE APPROVED.
THIRD PARTY APPROVALS FOR PLANS.
I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I'VE GOT A TEAM AND YOU DO THIS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO FIX THE FAMILY CHILDCARE CENTER IN THE BACK AREA.
AND FRANKLY, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH EVEN MORE STEPS TO EXPAND ABOUT A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET ON A FACILITY, THAT WE CAN GET THAT, BUT I CAN'T TALK TO YOU ABOUT CURRENTLY UNDER OPERATION.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE SAY TO THE FAMILIES OF CHILDREN WHO ARE ALREADY ENROLLED IN OUR PROGRAM? AND AGAIN, NO CIRCUMSTANCES AROUND THIS DISCUSSION WERE DIFFERENT THAN, THAN THEY WERE FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN WE FIRST ATTENDED THIS SESSION.
IT'S SO GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU REMEMBER THAT BEING HERE, BUT OUR MISSION HASN'T CHANGED OUR OBJECTIVES.
IN FACT, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY ACHIEVE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAY BACK WHEN WITH BOTH OF OUR KIDS, GRADUATING FROM THE PROGRAM WITH SEVERAL KIDS, GRADUATING FROM THE PROGRAM, ENROLLED IN HTB SCHOOLS AND JUST SPREADING THAT GOODNESS THAT WE'VE BEEN, THAT WE HOPE TO DO WAY BACK WHEN WE'VE SUCCESSFULLY BEEN ABLE TO DO UP TO THIS POINT.
SO, UM, I, I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION I'D LIKE TO TOUCH ON JUST A FEW OTHER THINGS IN TERMS OF WHAT ARE BUSINESSES CURRENTLY DOING.
AND THEN CERTAINLY I WANT TO BRING THINGS BACK TO THE DISCUSSION AROUND THE FLOOD PLAIN, BUT I DID WANT TO JUST CLARIFY THE POINT THAT WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE EXISTING FEDERALLY, FEDERALLY MANDATED FLOOD MAPS AND EVERYTHING IN OUR DRAWINGS SUPPORT THAT BASED OFF OF THIRD-PARTY CERTIFICATIONS, INCLUDING OF ELEVATION CERTIFICATE THAT WE RECEIVED FROM STRAND ENGINEERING.
SO WITH THAT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET INTO THE PRESENTATION.
WE STARTED IN 2016, OBVIOUSLY, UM, AS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, UM, BACK THEN, UH, MY WIFE ACTUALLY STARTED WORKING AT THE, UM, MARTIN METHODIST PRESCHOOL, UM, THAT WAS TIED TO THE CHURCH.
AND WHEN THAT FACILITY SHUT DOWN, UH, THE PARENTS AND THE KIDS, THEY LOVE THERE SO MUCH THAT THEY, I HAD THE CRAZY IDEA THAT WOULD ALLOW THE KIDS TO COME TO OUR HOUSE.
AND NATURALLY, UM, THE, THE WHEELS GOT TURNING REAL QUICK WHEN YOU'RE BEING WOKEN UP AT 6:00 AM, BY CRYING CHILDREN.
AND SO WE NATURALLY DECIDED TO EXPAND, UH, TO OUR OWN FACILITY.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS IS NOT MY DAY JOB.
I WORKED FOR THE BET GROUP, A LARGE CONTRACTOR.
THERE'S A LOT OF WORK HERE IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, BUT THIS IS JUST A PASSION OF MY WIFE'S AND MINE.
AND, UM, REALLY JUST ALLOWING OTHER CHILDREN IN THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE THE BLESSINGS AND BENEFITS OF OUR CHILDREN HAVE HAD, UH, IS REALLY SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN IMPORTANT TO US RIGHT NOW AT OUR EXISTING FACILITY, UH, BUYING THE FORMER MID CITY'S PEST CONTROL AND TURNING IT INTO A DAYCARE CENTER.
WE, BUT WE ARE BURSTING AT THE SEAMS. WE HAVE WAITING LISTS FOR ALL OF OUR CLASSROOMS. UH, WE GET RAVE REVIEWS FROM PARENTS.
UH, WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT KIDS NOW ENROLLED IN HEB SCHOOLS AND THEY'VE GOT YOUNGER SIBLINGS WHO ARE ENROLLED IN OUR PROGRAM.
AND SO WE ACTUALLY REGULARLY CONFER WITH HEB TEACHERS AROUND THEIR CURRICULUM AND, UM, WHAT, WE'RE, WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET KIDS REALLY KINDERGARTEN READY, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THEIR SHAPES, KNOWING HOW TO COUNT, BEING ABLE TO SIT STILL IN A CLASS.
UM, ALL OF THOSE THINGS WE REGULARLY MEET WITH, UM, STAFF IN HEB AND MAKE SURE THAT WE INCORPORATE THOSE THINGS INTO OUR PROGRAM.
UM, WE'VE, UH, REALLY EMPHASIZED THE IMPORTANCE OF PROVIDING GOOD QUALITY CARE.
THAT'S AFFORDABLE AND TOO OFTEN IN A CHILDCARE SETTING, UM, WHAT IS BEING ASKED OF STAFF, UH, THESE STAFF BY AND LARGE IN TEXAS, THE AVERAGE DAYCARE WORKER GETS PAID $10 AND 50 CENTS AN HOUR.
UNFORTUNATELY, IF YOU PAY $10 AND 50 CENTS AN HOUR, YOU'LL GET $10 AND 50 CENTS AN HOUR WORTH OF CARE, UH, FOR OUR MOST PRECIOUS CHILDREN.
AND SO OUR AVERAGE PAY IS $15 AN HOUR.
AND WE'RE INTENTIONAL ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE LIMIT THE OVERHEAD ASSOCIATED WITH ALL THE OTHER ANCILLARY THINGS THAT CAN GO INTO A BUSINESS.
WE ALSO HAVE FULLY PAID HEALTHCARE BENEFITS.
WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT OUR STAFF
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ENJOY AND LOVE THE WORK THAT THEY DO BECAUSE THAT LOVE AND GOODNESS WILL BE PUSHED DOWN TO THE CHILDREN.WELL, BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT HAPPY, IF THEY'RE NOT FULFILLED IN THEIR WORK, THEN NATURALLY THE KIDS ARE WARRING TO BE ON THE BRUNT OF THAT.
ALSO, WE ARE EXTREMELY TRANSPARENT IN TERMS OF THE WAY OUR BUSINESS OPERATES.
A LOT OF DAYCARE CENTERS WILL REQUIRE THAT YOU COME IN FOR A TOUR JUST TO FIND OUT THE PRICE, OR THEY DO THE WHOLE CAR SALESMAN THING WHERE ONE PARENT GETS ONE PRICE AND ANOTHER PARENT GETS ANOTHER PRICE.
WE MAKE ALL OF THIS AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE.
NO STUDENT IN OUR FACILITY WILL EVER PAY MORE THAN THE STATED RATE ON OUR WEBSITE.
WE UNDERSTAND THE WAY THAT CHILDCARE HAS WORKED.
WE KNOW OF ALL THE WAITING LISTS THAT PEOPLE GET ON WHEN EVEN THEY JUST HAVE A TWINKLE IN THEIR EYE OF HAVING A KID AND WE WANT TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE CHILDCARE MORE AFFORDABLE AND STILL HIGH QUALITY AND BENEFICIAL TO THOSE, TO THOSE CHILDREN.
A COUPLE OF PICTURES HERE, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE SENSE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
THAT'S FORMER MAYOR, UH, GRIFFIN THERE WHO WAS ON THE PANEL WAY BACK WHEN MY WIFE AND I WERE, UM, PRESENTING, UH, TO TURN THIS FACILITY INTO A DAYCARE CENTER AS MY SON THERE AT THE BOTTOM.
UH, I COACHES HIS BASKETBALL TEAM GOING TO BE COACHING AGAIN.
I'M EXCITED TO SEE, UH, BASKETBALL RETURNING, UH, FOR, FOR 22.
UM, AND THEN I DID WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT PICTURE ON THE RIGHT, THAT IS MY WIFE THERE IN THE CENTER.
AND, UM, FOR PRIVACY PURPOSES, I'VE WHITED OUT THE FACES OF THOSE TWO CHILDREN, BUT PROBABLY CAN'T SEE IT TOO WELL IN THAT PHOTO.
BUT, UM, THEIR SHIRTS SAY PROUD HEART SURGERY SURVIVORS.
SO EACH OF THOSE CHILDREN, THEY'RE BOTH FIVE YEARS OLD AT TWO YEARS OLD HAD OPEN HEART SURGERY AND THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, UM, SHE KNEW SHANTAY FROM WHEN SHE WORKED AT MARTIN METHODIST PRESCHOOL.
AND NATURALLY WHEN YOUR KID HAS BEEN THROUGH SOMETHING AS SIGNIFICANT AS OPEN-HEART SURGERY, YOU'RE VERY RETICENT TO PUT THEM IN A CHILDCARE SETTING, BUT MY WIFE HAD ESTABLISHED A LEVEL OF TRUST WITH HER.
AND SO SHE ESSENTIALLY FOLLOWED HER IN, WHEN SHE FOUND OUT THAT WE WERE OPENING OUR OWN FACILITY, SHE ENTRUSTED OUR FACILITY TO CARE FOR HER SON CORRESPONDINGLY ABOUT A YEAR OR SO LATER.
UH, THE LITTLE GIRL ON THE LEFT, HER MOM WHO HAD MET THE LITTLE BOY'S MOM AT THAT SAME FACILITY DOWN IN HOUSTON, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS A EXTENSIVE PROCEDURE THAT'S DONE.
AND YOU GET REALLY CLOSE WITH OTHER PARENTS WHO ARE GOING THROUGH SITUATIONS LIKE THIS.
SHE REALIZED THAT THE LITTLE BOY WAS ENROLLED IN A PROGRAM IN WANTING TO KNOW MORE ABOUT IT AND HOW IN THE WORLD SHE WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE PUTTING HER CHILD IN A CHILDCARE SETTING.
AND THEN THAT'S WHEN SHE WAS INTRODUCED TO SHANTAY.
WE HAD THE LITTLE GIRL IN OUR PROGRAM AS WELL.
THEY'RE BOTH IN OUR PRE-K PROGRAM AND THEY'RE THREE YEARS FULLY REMOVED FROM THAT SURGERY.
AND THEY'RE THRIVING AND GOING BE STARTING ELEMENTARY SCHOOL NEXT YEAR.
SO I MENTIONED THAT STORY AGAIN, JUST TO EMPHASIZE THE POINT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION AROUND FLOODPLAINS AND LIABILITY EXPOSURE.
AND I'LL TELL YOU THIS, WE TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY.
WE CARRY ALL OF THE INSURANCE.
WE CARRY ALL THE RESPONSIBILITY ASSOCIATED WITH CARING FOR CHILDREN.
UH, BUT I WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THE IMPACT THAT WE'RE HAVING, BECAUSE WHETHER OR NOT WE EXPAND HERE IN BEDFORD, WE ARE GOING TO EXPAND AND WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND, NOT IN THE INTEREST OF JUST GROWING A BUSINESS, BUT FOR DOING GOOD IN A COMMUNITY.
AND SO I WANT TO, AGAIN, TOUCH ON THE FLOOD PLAIN.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN OF THE FACILITY, AS IT CURRENTLY IS ALL OF THE AREA THAT'S UNDER DISCUSSION IS ON THE WEST SIDE.
THERE THAT'S FULLY PAID AND THEN FAST FORWARD, THE PROPOSED EXPANSION ONLY ABOUT A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET IS RIGHT THERE BETWEEN THE EASEMENTS AND SETBACKS AND ENCROACHMENTS.
AS EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE FOUR TENTHS OF AN ACRE, WE REALLY ARE KIND OF SQUEEZED IN TERMS OF WHERE WE CAN EXPAND TO BASED OFF OF THE, OFF OF THE EASEMENTS, BUT THAT SPACE THERE, THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
UM, HERE'S A PHYSICAL VIEW OF IT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST BUILDING TO THE LEFT THERE INTO THE PARKING LOT, RIGHT? AND BASED OFF OF ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED UP TO THIS POINT, AGAIN, BASED ON PROPOSED MAPS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED, NOR DO WE KNOW WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE APPROVED.
AND MY THIRD PARTY ENGINEER COULD NOT GIVE ANY TYPE OF CERTIFICATION BASED ON THOSE PROPOSED MAPS.
AND NO OTHER ENGINEERING FIRM WILL DO THAT.
THEY ADVISE THAT WE BUILD JUST TO PLACATE AND APPEASE THE CITY, BUILD A FULL FOOT HIGHER,
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EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T REQUIRED THAN THE EXISTING ELEVATION OF THE EXISTING FACILITY.SO WE HAVE EXIT RAMPS GOING FROM ALL SIDES OF THE BUILDING WE'VE RAISED THE ELEVATION.
UM, AND WE WILL, NO, WE WILL NOT BE VERY CLOSE AT ALL.
OBVIOUSLY, BASED OFF OF THIS PICTURE TO THAT ACTUAL DRAINAGE CHANNEL, UH, TO THE LEFT THERE, THIS IS THE CERTIFICATION FROM STRAND ENGINEERING STATING THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION.
AS I PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED IT NOTES, THE FINISHED FOUR ELEVATION OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, THAT'S 560 FEET.
AND THEN AS OUR PLANS NOTE, WE ARE BUILDING THE NEW STRUCTURE, A FULL FOOT HIGHER THAN THAT AT 561 FEET.
THIS IS THE ELEVATION CERTIFICATE THAT WE RECEIVED FROM STRAIN ENGINEERING.
AND AGAIN, ALL OF THIS COSTS IS BEING INCURRED BY US AND TO INCREASE THE ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING IS A SUBSTANTIAL COST IN AND OF ITSELF.
I MIGHT ADD THAT'S THE FULL ELEVATION CERTIFICATE WITH THE, UH, LICENSER SEAL.
I WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE, WOULD YOU REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO GET CERTIFICATION TO SIGN OFF ON? YES.
SO A STRAIN ENGINEER, OUR ENGINEERING FIRM PROVIDED US WITH THIS ELEVATION CERTIFICATE.
THEY CAN ONLY DO THAT ELEVATION CERTIFICATE BASED OFF OF THE CURRENTLY ENACTED FEMA FLOOD MAPS.
AND AS A RESULT, THEY CANNOT PROVIDE ANY TYPE OF CERTIFICATION BASED OFF OF PROPOSED MAPS.
IN FACT, RELATIVE TO OUR LOCATION, THERE AREN'T ENOUGH DATA POINTS TO SIGNIFY THE SPECIFIC FLOOD ELEVATION THAT OUR PROPERTY WILL BE UNDER.
AND SO FRANKLY, THE PROPOSED MAPS AREN'T COMPLETE ENOUGH TO PROVIDE ANY TYPE OF CERTIFICATION AS TO THE STATE OF, OF OUR FACILITY, BUT IT APPEARS TO BE THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE, UM, SOMEWHAT OF A CERTAINTY THAT THESE MAPS COULD BE SIGNED OFF ON COMING SOON IN 2022.
COULD YOU HOLD OFF ON BUILDING AND WAIT AND SEE WHAT THOSE MAPS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THEY ARE SIGNED OFF ON AND THEN MOVE FORWARD? I HAVE NO DOUBT.
I MEAN, WHEN I MET YOU IN 2016, YOU AND YOUR WIFE AND I HAVE HEARD NOTHING BUT GOOD THINGS TO COME OUT ABOUT WHAT YOU AND YOUR WIFE PRODUCE OUT OF THAT BUILDING.
THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION HERE, YOU KNOW, SO I JUST WANT TO BRING US BACK TO WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT, AND IF THERE WOULD BE SOME WAY THAT YOU COULD JUST HOLD OFF AND WAIT AND SEE, I JUST THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE YOU MAYBE NOT CAUSE YOU TO HAVE TO SPEND QUITE SO MUCH MONEY AND NOT PUT COUNCIL IN A POSITION TO WHERE WE APPROVE SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW WE SHOULDN'T ARE, THAT WE TURN YOU DOWN ON SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY NEED.
AND COUNCILMAN CALLED REBEL IS A GREAT SUGGESTION.
AND I APPRECIATE, UM, AGAIN, THE, THE POSITIVITY THAT YOU SHARED RELATIVE TO OUR EXISTING FACILITY IN, IN, IN WHAT WE'RE DOING, UH, GETTING BACK TO YOUR SPECIFIC REQUEST.
I GUESS MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT WE'RE NOT THIS DISCUSSION SHOULD HAVE BEEN HAD FIVE YEARS AGO.
AND SO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE AN EXISTING OPERATING FACILITY, WHAT DO WE TELL THE PARENTS OF THE CHILDREN WHO ARE CURRENTLY IN OUR FACILITY THAT LOVE OUR FACILITY THAT IS AT AN ELEVATION, THAT'S A FOOT LOWER THAN WHAT THIS NEW EXPANSION WILL BE, UNLESS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES WERE BACK IN 2012, WHEN THAT BUILDING WAS NOT PURCHASED BY THE CITY.
BUT THE FACT THAT IN 2016, I WAS ABLE TO, MY WIFE AND I WERE, WERE ABLE TO COME UP HERE, PRESENT OUR PROPOSED CASE AND YOU ALL SUPPORTED IT.
I I'M JUST STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND REALLY WHAT HAS CHANGED OUTSIDE OF PROPOSED MAPS.
THAT AGAIN, THERE'S NO WAY THAT THERE'S ANY TYPE OF CERTIFICATION THAT CAN BE DONE WITH, FORTUNATELY FOR ME, WHAT HAS CHANGED IS THE KNOWLEDGE AND THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD, UH, WAS THE OLD SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU ONLY KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW, AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW.
AND IN MY CASE, I CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, BAD ON ME ON P AND Z, BECAUSE I VOTED FOR YOU TO HAVE THAT BUILDING.
BUT I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE ISSUES IN THE PAST OF HAVING TO BUY OUT THE, UH, HOUSES THAT WERE FLOODED AND HAVING PROBLEMS. AND I HAD NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE FLOODWAY.
SO I, I, I DIDN'T KNOW, BUT NOW I DO KNOW SO CONSCIOUSLY
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I CAN'T APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.I CAN'T SURE THE OTHERS MAY FEEL DIFFERENTLY.
I, I JUST, UM, I'M CURIOUS, YOU BOUGHT THE BUILDING AND YOUR REALTOR DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE FLOOD BEING IN A FLOOD PLAIN.
WE, WE DID, WE WERE AWARE THAT WE WERE IN A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAIN.
AND THAT, THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THAT TIME, BUT THE SPECIFIC SURROUND, THE REASON WHY THE CITY HAD PURCHASED THE OTHER SURROUNDING PROPERTIES WAS NEVER BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION.
ALTHOUGH ALL THOSE THINGS HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE, I SUSPECT, BUT THAT WOULD BE A REALTOR ISSUE.
WOULD IT NOT, I MEAN THAT YOUR REALTOR DIDN'T DO DUE DILIGENCE.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES AROUND THAT SPECIFIC TIME, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE WAS A GROUNDSWELL OF SUPPORT AND ENTHUSIASM TO TAKE A BUILDING THAT WAS UNOCCUPIED AND TURNING IT INTO A DAYCARE CENTER.
I GUESS MY QUESTION FOR THE COUNCIL WOULD BE WHAT WOULD WE PROPOSE TO DO WITH OUR EXISTING FACILITY? THE FACT THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY IN OPERATION, AND IF THERE IS AN IMMEDIATE IMMINENT CONCERN OR THREAT, I MEAN, WE'RE CURRENTLY OPERATING RIGHT NOW.
SO I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN NOT ALLOW SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND AGAIN, FINANCIAL AID MAY NOT MOVE FORWARD.
MY BIGGEST CONCERN AND THE BIGGEST CONCERN OF EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM SHOULD BE THE WELLBEING OF THOSE CHILDREN.
LET ME JUST JUMP IN REAL QUICK.
CAUSE, UH, SO I THINK THAT THE MAIN, THE MAIN CONCERN HERE ISN'T THAT YOU'RE OPERATING THE FACILITY, WHICH SOUNDS WONDERFUL BY THE WAY, BUT IT IS, YOU'RE WANTING TO EXPAND IT AND BY EXPANDING IT, YOU'RE CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE WAY THE WATER RUNS OFF, NO, SORRY TO INTERJECT.
BUT BASED OFF THESE PROPOSED MAPS, THE ENTIRE AREA WILL BE IN THE SAME DESIGNATION.
SO THEN, SO JUST, JUST TO, AND SOMEBODY CAN JUMP IN AND HELP ME HERE.
SO IF WE I'M ON AN ISLAND ON ONE, I BUY ISLAND IN THE STREAM.
SO, SO, SO IF WE, IF WE MOTION, SO OUR OPTIONS ARE, WE CAN APPROVE IT, BUT THEN HAVE YOU DO THE FLOOD STUDY? AND ARE YOU WILLING TO DO THAT? YEAH, NO.
I MEAN, OH, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY INCURRED SIGNIFICANT COSTS TO RAISE THE ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE EXISTING FEMA MAPS AS ADVISED BY OUR THIRD PARTY ENGINEERS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET GUYS.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A BIG, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURE HERE.
AND SO REALISTICALLY, IF WE HAVE TO DO ALL TYPES OF ADDITIONAL WORK, IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THE MITIGATING FACTORS WE'VE ALREADY PUT IN PLACE, WE'RE JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO EXPAND IN OTHER AREAS AND HAVE A SMALL QUAINT LOCATION THAT WE CURRENTLY CURRENTLY HAVE THERE.
UH, NO, I DON'T THINK WE'VE OPENED THE PUBLIC MEETING.
LET'S OPEN A PUBLIC MEETING AS ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS, UM, THIS PROJECT TONIGHT, DUH, DUH, DUH, DUH, DUH, DUH, I GUESS NOT.
SO I CLOSED THE PUBLIC MEETING.
IF WE APPROVE IT, IT STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH PERMITTING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND BASED ON, WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, THE OUTCOME, I MEAN, ARE WE JUST PROLONGING THE OUTCOME? CAUSE YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN A FLOOD WAY.
WELL, THE NOT SURE I QUITE UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
I GUESS IF HE, HE PAYS FOR THE, UH, STUDY AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND PUTS MORE MONEY INTO IT, HE'S NOT GOING TO OKAY.
OR THIS THAT HE SAID HE HAD THAT, THAT IS DONE.
CHARLENE ASKED FOR SOMEBODY, BUT THE STUDIES THAT HE'S DONE ARE THEY, UH, OKAY.
UM, AND, AND YOUR POINT IS, IS THAT THE FEMA MAP HAS THE NEW MAPS, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE IN OUR POSSESSION HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED YET.
SO YOUR POSITION IS YOU'RE BASING EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE ON THE OLD MAP.
THEY WILL BE APPROVED SOMEDAY, BUT IF THEY APPROVE THOSE, THEN YOU WILL BE IN A FLOOD PLAN, A FLOOD WAY CLARIFICATION.
I'D ADD TO THAT, THAT THERE AREN'T DATA IDENTIFY.
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OKAY.COUNSEL, ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OKAY.
UH, SOMEBODY'S GOT TO MAKE A MOTION HERE.
I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO DISAPPROVE.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OH SECOND.
UH, FIRST BY MS. CULVER AND SECOND BY MR. COGAN, UH, LET'S VOTE.
UM, IF WE'RE IN DENIAL, EVERYBODY RAISED THEIR HAND.
WE, WE, SORRY TO DO THIS TO YOU, BUT IT'S JUST BEEN A, IT'S A TOUGH DECISION FOR US.
WE'RE JUST MARCHING RIGHT ALONG HERE.
[4. Consider a resolution authorizing the City Manager, or his designee, to execute contracts and all necessary documents related to the renovation of the City’s Building C for (1) the purchase of wall systems from WRG Build (WRG) through a purchasing cooperative or interlocal agreement in an amount not to exceed $53,847.55; (2) the purchase of HVAC upgrades from Siemens through a purchasing cooperative or interlocal agreement in an amount not to exceed $45,763; and (3) the construction of physical improvements by DFW Double D Contracting in an amount not to exceed $32,550; and providing an effective date.]
OKAY.NUMBER FOUR, CONSIDER RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER OR HIS DESIGNATE TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS.
AND HONESTLY ARE DOCUMENTS RELATED TO THE RENOVATION OF THE CITY'S BUILDING C FOR ONE, THE PURCHASE OF A WALL SYSTEM FROM WRG BILL WRG THROUGH PURCHASING COOPERATIVE OR INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT IN A PURCHASING COOPERATIVE OR IN A LOCAL AGREEMENT AND AN AMOUNT PER NOT TO EXCEED $45,763.
AND NUMBER THREE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS BY DFA, DOUBLE D CONTRACTING AND AMOUNT, NOT TO EXCEED $32,550 AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
ANDREA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ALL MEANS, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
WE'RE GOING TO SUMMARIZE IT FOR YOU HERE EASILY.
UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, UH, BUILDING SEAT JUST ACROSS THE STREET HERE USED TO BE OCCUPIED BY OUR CITY LIBRARY.
AND THEN, UM, PRIOR TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND CUSTOMER SERVICE AND ENGINEERING, MOVING INTO THE BUILDING, UH, THE CITY LEASE THE PROPERTY TO TSI, UH, WHICH IS ALSO OWNED BY MARTIN MARIETTA.
SO YOU'LL HEAR THOSE TERMS USED INTERCHANGEABLY.
UM, THE FACILITY, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS A VERY WIDE OPEN CONCEPT, UM, BUILDING WITH NO WALLS, NO STORAGE.
UM, AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT WE DO STRUGGLE, UM, WITHIN MY GROUP, AS FAR AS OPERATIONALLY, UH, WITHIN THAT BUILDING.
SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT DID HAPPEN IS TX.
I DID RELOCATE OUT OF THE BUILDING.
THEY DID BREAK THEIR LEASE WITH US.
AND BECAUSE WE DID HAVE AN INCENTIVE AGREEMENT WITH THEM TO DO A SALES TAX REBATE, WE WERE ABLE TO HOLD ONTO THOSE FUNDS, UH, WHICH ULTIMATELY IRONICALLY WILL HELP FUND, UM, THE RENOVATIONS TO THIS BUILDING AND FURNITURE NEEDS FOR US.
SO THIS IS NOT GENERAL FUND DOLLARS.
THESE ARE COMING DIRECTLY FROM TXA THAT USED TO BE LOCATED IN THIS BUILDING.
SO, UM, IN ORDER TO HELP THE DEVELOPMENT DIVISION BECOME MORE FUNCTIONAL IN THIS SPACE AND BE ABLE TO OPERATE, UM, IN A MANNER THAT WE NEED TO, WE ARE PROPOSING THAT THE REAS, UH, THESE THREE CONTRACTS BE EXECUTED THIS EVENING WITH THREE S THESE THREE DIFFERENT VENDORS.
UM, ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS BUILD FOUR OFFICES AND A STORAGE CLOSET.
AND OF COURSE WITH THAT, YOU HAVE LIGHTING, FIRE, SPRINKLERS ELECTRIC THAT WILL NEED TO BE MOVED ACCORDINGLY.
SO THESE THREE CONTRACTORS WILL PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES.
WRG BUILT, UM, IS A COMPONENT OF WRG, WHICH IS A FURNITURE GROUP THAT WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH.
UM, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A UNIQUE PRODUCT CALLED DEMOUNTABLE WALLS.
UM, THIS WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION WHEN WE WERE GETTING ESTIMATES.
UM, AND THEN WRG FOUND OUT THAT WE WERE, UM, TALKING ABOUT CONSTRUCTION AND SAID, HEY, WE HAVE THIS GREAT ALTERNATIVE TO BUILDING, UM, DRY WALLING TWO BY 14 WALLS.
THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY VERY SOPHISTICATED CUBICLE WALLS THAT COME IN LOCK IN PLACE LIKE VERY SOPHISTICATED LEGOS WOULD DO.
UM, THEY'RE PRIMED FOR WIRING DATA ELECTRIC, ET CETERA, BUT THEY DO PROVIDE FLORIDA CEILING PRIVACY.
UM, AND IT'S REALLY A WONDERFUL OPTION FOR US.
UM, AS THAT BUILDING HAS BEEN SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS, THIS WILL ALLOW IT TO CHANGE AND MODIFY AS WE NEED TO, UM, IN THE FUTURE.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE WRG COMPONENT COMES FROM.
DOUBLE D IS THE CONTRACTOR THAT WILL SERVE AS THE PROJECT MANAGER.
THEY WILL ALSO BUILD THE STORAGE CLOSET FOR US, AND THEN SIEMENS, WHO THE CITY DOES ALREADY HAVE A CONTRACT WITH WE'LL INSTALL, UM, THE HV SIS HPAC SYSTEM, WHICH WILL SERVE THE OFFICES.
ESSENTIALLY WHAT WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN IS, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE STRIKING WALLS AND CUTTING OFF THAT SPACE FROM THE REST OF THE MAIN CENTRAL SYSTEM, THEY WILL PUT IN MINI SPLITS THAT WILL TIE INTO THE OVERALL SYSTEM.
THE BEAUTY OF WORKING WITH SIEMENS HERE IS THAT WE DO HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM CITYWIDE, AND IT'S ULTIMATELY ENVISIONED THAT AS A LARGER SCALE HPAC, UM, PROJECTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN IN BUILDING C.
SO WE'RE SPENDING MONEY THAT WE WILL NOT HAVE TO SPEND.
AGAIN, THESE WILL BE DESIGNED TO TIE INTO THE CURRENT SYSTEM AND THE NEW SYSTEM WHEN THAT HAPPENS.
TOTAL PROJECT IS 132,000 AT THIS POINT.
AND JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THESE ARE THE VIEWS.
THE BOTTOM TWO PICTURES ARE ESSENTIALLY THE WALLS THAT WILL BE INSTALLED.
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THEY DO HAVE ALL GLASS FRONTS.UM, VERY MODERN, VERY FUNCTIONAL WITH THE BEAUTY OF THAT BUILDING IS IT HAS WONDERFUL WINDOWS, AND WE REALLY WANTED TO MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO NOT CUT THE OPEN SPACE OFF FROM THAT LIGHT.
AND SO THIS WILL ALLOW THAT TO CONTINUE TO FLOW THROUGH THE OFFICE, INTO THOSE COMMON AREAS.
AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THIS REALLY IS PHASE ONE, WHICH IS TO GO AHEAD AND GET SOME OFFICES ESTABLISHED.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPMENT GROUP ENCOMPASSES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLANNING AND BUILDING INSPECTIONS, AS WELL AS CODE ENFORCEMENT.
AND, UM, IT'S, IT IS DIFFICULT TO FUNCTION WHERE WE HAVE NO PRIVATE OFFICES OR, UM, PRIVATE SPACE IN WHICH TO HAVE PERSONNEL CONVERSATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THIS WILL HELP RESOLVE THAT THIS IS PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO WILL INVOLVE ADDITIONAL PURCHASES OF FURNITURE, FURNITURE FOR THE OFFICES, CUBICLES BREAK ROOM FURNITURE, LOBBY, UM, ADDITIONAL FURNITURE IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM, AND THEN ALSO ADDITIONAL MEETING, UM, MEETING SPACE FURNITURE.
SO ESSENTIALLY WHEN TSI RELOCATED, THEY DID LEAVE THEIR, THEIR FURNITURE BEHIND FOR US TO USE UNTIL THEY NEEDED IT.
SO WHAT HAS PROMPTED SOME OF THIS IS THAT TSI HAS COME BACK AND SAID, WE NEED OUR FURNITURE.
THEY HAVE REMOVED THAT FURNITURE FROM THE BUILDING, AND WE ARE OPERATING IN TEMPORARY, UH, DESKS RIGHT NOW.
SO AGAIN, THIS WILL ALLOW US TO MOVE FORWARD AND PURCHASE, UM, CREEK CUBICLES, ET CETERA, AND REALLY HAVE A FULL REDESIGN AND A COMPREHENSIVE, METHODICAL WAY OF LAYING OUT THE OFFICES.
AND JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, WE HAVE HAD BECAUSE OF THE IMMEDIATE REMOVAL OF THE FURNITURE WE HAVE HAD TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE SOME PURCHASES.
UM, THAT AGAIN, WRG IS ON OUR CO-OPS.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD SOME INITIAL PURCHASES FOR THE ROOMS THAT ARE USED SO FREQUENTLY OVER THERE, WE HAD TO GET CONFERENCE TABLES AND CHAIRS.
UM, WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO HAVE MEETINGS WITH DEVELOPERS, UM, ON BIG DYKE CHAIRS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, TO GET THESE PURCHASES MADE, COULD BE FUN, UM, GET THESE PURCHASES MADE.
AND, UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE ALL THE CHAIRS IN PLACE.
WE WERE WAITING FOR CONFERENCE TABLES, UH, TO ARRIVE, WHICH SHOULD HAPPEN IN THE NEXT WEEK.
SO I AM HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
WE LIKE THOSE TYPE DON'T WE, OKAY.
I'D LOVE TO MOTION TO APPROVE.
WELL, I THINK MR. STEVE'S HAS A QUESTION.
WELL, ANDREW, JUST FOR REFERENCE, WAS THIS BUILDING RENOVATED BOUT FOUR YEARS AGO, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
SO WHAT HAS HAPPENED? UM, SO TX, I DID RENOVATIONS WHEN THEY MOVED IN CARPET PAINT, SOME, SOME MINOR MODIFICATIONS, WE HAVE DONE SOME PIECEMEAL THINGS.
SO THE PERMIT COUNTER WAS, UM, CONSTRUCTED A LITTLE WHILE AGO AND MADE A LITTLE MORE COMPATIBLE TO SERVE THE PUBLIC THAT WAY THE CUSTOMER SERVICE GROUP, WHERE YOUR WATER UTILITIES FOLKS ARE, THAT AREA HAS BEEN RENOVATED.
UM, AND THEN ENGINEERING DONE SOME MINOR MODIFICATIONS WITHIN THEIR PORTION.
SO WE'VE DONE A LITTLE PIECEMEAL, BUT THIS WILL BE A MUCH BIGGER.
SO ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION, ROB? OKAY.
ROB HAS ALREADY MADE THAT MOTION, MR. WELLS.
AND WE GOT A SECOND, MR. COGAN, UH, ALL IN FAVOR.
SO THAT PASSES, I GUESS WE'RE ON THE, LET'S SEE, RUN NUMBER FIVE AND SIX HAS BEEN, UM, PUT OFF UNTIL JANUARY SO THE MAYOR CAN PARTICIPATE.
[7. Mayor/Council Member Reports]
NOW WE'RE UP TO NUMBER SEVEN.UH, ANYBODY HAVE A COUNCIL REPORT.
JIMMY, DO YOU HAVE THE REPORT? NO, MA'AM NOT AT THIS TIME.
I WOULD LIKE TO WISH EVERYONE A HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN, PLEASE.
ANYBODY WANT A SECOND? CINDY, CINDY DOWN ON THE END TOOK CARE OF THAT SECOND FOR US, MR. BELL'S.
SO YES, EVERYBODY HAVE A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY HOLIDAY AND WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT YEAR.